From Neumes To Notes: A Brief History Of Western Music Notation

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  • Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
  • Music notation is really useful, and most musicians are so used to it we don't give it a second thought anymore, but, like, it's kinda weird, right? It's a bunch of dots and lines and somehow those represent sounds, and the way they're shaped and how we arrange them can let us communicate some incredibly complicated musical ideas. Which is awesome, but why these shapes? How did we get here? And why do older manuscripts look so weird, with their square notes and only four lines?
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Комментарии • 61

  • @12tone
    @12tone  7 лет назад +20

    Content References: digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1031&context=musicalofferings
    www.thisisgabes.com/images/docs/musicsymbol.pdf
    www.mfiles.co.uk/music-notation-history.htm
    www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/the-evolution-of-the-treble-clef-87122373/
    biography.yourdictionary.com/franco-of-cologne
    www.treblis.com/notation/clefs.html

    • @BettyAlexandriaPride
      @BettyAlexandriaPride 7 лет назад +2

      12tone Thank you so much for these links. I'm studying for my Praxis 2 music content test and I was in a car accident last year, so I've been apprehensive about finishing, but your videos and other amazing videos on RUclips have given me the courage and insight to review, study, and refresh so that I can eventually be able to teach and pass on musical knowledge to others as well. I really appreciate your content and enjoy the holidays.

    • @chandlerdhickman
      @chandlerdhickman 2 года назад +1

      Do you happen to have a script for this video?

  • @buehner220
    @buehner220 2 года назад +3

    Had some high school students visit the music library where I work yesterday, after seeing a real medieval music manuscript they were super interested in how notes went from squiggles to common practice. Being able to send this video to their orchestra conductor to share with them was perfection itself. Thank you!!

  • @kathrynmullen3269
    @kathrynmullen3269 6 лет назад +5

    This video is amazing! Teaching students in Ireland about Salve Regina as it is on their music course and this helps explain neumes to them so well. Younger kids love the pictures

  • @BlobVanDam
    @BlobVanDam 7 лет назад +19

    Another great video, and an interesting bit of music history. Bonus points for the Journey reference too. :D

    • @12tone
      @12tone  7 лет назад +6

      Thanks! We were trying to think of a song where we could just write the lyrics and assume people knew the associated melody, and you don't get much more iconic than that one...

  • @whataboutthis...3718
    @whataboutthis...3718 6 лет назад +3

    Exciting to learn of the pneumes & "heightened neumes!" I play guitar, sing & cover songs, uploading to YT channels. They're songs I've known & liked but never played & sang, or at least not perfectly. By "perfectly," I mean as near to the original as I can reasonably perform them, including getting the notes & timing down.
    To remind myself to shift my voice up or down as I sing a note to match the original, I've been writing mostly short, horizontal marks above the lyrics, keeping their height above the lyrics consistent with other marks above other lyrics for the same note.
    I have markings also, for holding a note extra long and more. I evolved to employing the use of those to help me keep my voice aligned; and it's helped me. To learn some of this is a similar practice to "heightened neumes," is validating! Thank You for the interesting history. 😊👍🖒

  • @sophiaperez8884
    @sophiaperez8884 6 лет назад +4

    I think it's amazing that before notes were even being used, people were able to make beautiful music just by looking at some lines or dots above syllables in a word.

  • @LoverofLiszt
    @LoverofLiszt 7 лет назад +33

    3:34 - That´s wrong/a mistake. A dot lengthens a note by half it´s value, not a quarter.

    • @12tone
      @12tone  7 лет назад +19

      Whoops, good catch! Not sure why I put a 16th there...

  • @Anita-pj1jx
    @Anita-pj1jx 5 лет назад +7

    I'm watching this video for a research project because apparently my band teacher likes to read them so he's making us do this for homework. This really helped, thanks 👍

  • @frankkauffman
    @frankkauffman 2 года назад +1

    Always love your videos, but thank Byrdle for helping me find this one.

  • @lilycalico3957
    @lilycalico3957 6 лет назад +2

    THANK YOU! I'm going to write a paper on this (I'm not gonna plagiarize!) and the sources you put in the description are SUPER helpful! :D

  • @margaretx582
    @margaretx582 4 года назад +4

    This is absolutely brilliant. I've just finished a course on the history of musical notation which took weeks
    but you summed it all up so beautifully. Would you consider doing something on white mensural notation??

  • @LocaCrazyFolle
    @LocaCrazyFolle Год назад +1

    I imagine this is great recap for someone who already knows the history of music. For anybody else it’s actually quiteconfusing.

  • @hazelstorer2702
    @hazelstorer2702 7 лет назад

    I was kinda hoping for a Christmas themed video like you did with the Halloween one. But i'm still loving the videos!

    • @12tone
      @12tone  7 лет назад +1

      Thanks! I thought about it but I couldn't come up with anything topics I liked enough... Maybe next year!

  • @QuikVidGuy
    @QuikVidGuy 7 лет назад +5

    I wanna use that z-shape note

  • @Mehrdadgholamii
    @Mehrdadgholamii 6 лет назад +1

    Great job!

  • @MisterFunnyboy1110
    @MisterFunnyboy1110 7 лет назад +9

    I just failed a one question quiz, because I answered 9th century for "Which century was musical notation first developed?" Apparently, my professor thinks it's the 10th century.

    • @12tone
      @12tone  7 лет назад +16

      That seems like too vague a question to be really determinable. As far as I know the earliest musical notation we know of is from Mesopotamia, somewhere in the thousands BCE and the exact origins and definitions of modern notation are sketchy at best, but claiming that it wasn't developed until the 10th century ignores the work of scholars like Boethius and Aurelian. Which may be valid: Their systems are very different from ours, so whether or not they count is up for debate. But then again, so were the 10th centuries systems, so it really just depends where you draw the line.

  • @hudsoncampos5976
    @hudsoncampos5976 4 года назад

    Very good

  • @coreynewsome3512
    @coreynewsome3512 6 лет назад

    thank you corey

  • @miguelacevedo9266
    @miguelacevedo9266 Год назад

    great vid. please zoom in the camera closer to the page. everything looks so small

  • @richardwagon6433
    @richardwagon6433 3 года назад +1

    Exactly how many random youtube videos about music theory and history can I watch before I actually sit down and practice my piano today?

  • @nikozalive
    @nikozalive 4 года назад +1

    don't know how to end a video? BAM gummy bears
    i love it

  • @juicedelemon
    @juicedelemon 2 года назад

    thanks, that’s quick!

  • @TheLivingHeiromartyr
    @TheLivingHeiromartyr 7 лет назад +1

    Good stuff! Small comment; they had accidentals in perotin's time.

    • @12tone
      @12tone  7 лет назад

      Hmm. Interesting! That didn't come up in my research, but it's good to know, thanks for sharing!

  • @DrSmithopuss
    @DrSmithopuss 7 лет назад +1

    Small question, (sort of irrelevant) how come in the intro you're right handed but in the main video you're left? love the videos! sort of addicted at the minute :D

    • @12tone
      @12tone  7 лет назад +3

      Thanks! That goes back to the history of the channel. When we launched, we had a larger team, with a dedicated animator and a dedicated videographer. (We also had a dedicated audio engineer, but that's not relevant here.) Over time, people got busy or moved away and I wound up taking over most of the tasks myself. The hand you see in the intro is actually our original animator's (It's also a somewhat different skin tone than mine but that's hard to see with the color balance.) and it was made by our original videographer so we can't really remake it very easily. I honestly didn't even consider that difference!

    • @DrSmithopuss
      @DrSmithopuss 7 лет назад +1

      12tone that's cool, how did you learn all this theory? And do you have any other tips for writing harmony for 12 tone sort of music, I'm composing for a uni assignment, I chose to have only 7 tones, I have the matrix and various rhythmic cells but I'm stuck for harmony, have you got any pointers?

    • @12tone
      @12tone  7 лет назад

      It's a combination of sources: I've got a bachelors of music, so I've taken a lot of theory and arranging classes, but I also spend a lot of time reading about theory and talking to other theorists. I pretty frequently open up wikipedia pages about concepts I already know and then see where the links lead me: It's not hard to find 3-4 new video topics in one dive.
      As for writing harmony... Most of my serialist stuff is primarily counterpoint, so I'm usually not creating explicit harmonies, just running multiple lines together and letting them make the sounds they make. A thing I like to do there is to just pick a certain part of the row and try to line up a couple notes in an interesting, proactive way, then let the rest of it just sort of fill the gaps however I want. Like, if one statement is going Ab-G then I might try to find a way to flip the other statement around to go D-Eb to get a tritone resolution. That approach gets a good balance of planned, intentional events and procedurally-generated ones, so you have some structure but also some chaos. If you're looking to write actual chords underneath it... Well, if you're using 7 notes, you might have a scale, so I'd see what you can make from harmonizing it like one? Beyond that, it's not really an area I've done much with so I'd be hesitant to offer too much advice.

    • @DrSmithopuss
      @DrSmithopuss 7 лет назад +1

      12tone that's great thanks, I'll shall look at counterpoint more and see what becomes of it, thanks for the help it's much appreciated!! :D and all the best with future videos :)

  • @nataliehurray
    @nataliehurray 6 лет назад

    Awesome!

  • @NMranchhand
    @NMranchhand 2 года назад +1

    Pretty darn good, but skips a bit when we jump to the use of C and F without explaining how letters came into it.

  • @godot9407
    @godot9407 6 лет назад

    great video

  • @MakeMajor
    @MakeMajor 5 лет назад

    very good thank you

  • @oresttheproto
    @oresttheproto 3 года назад

    yay! i found a lefty youtuber!

  • @LittleFoxFriend
    @LittleFoxFriend 3 года назад

    Love this! :D

  • @Nathan-wm8yb
    @Nathan-wm8yb 7 лет назад +2

    In the video you said that there was links to papers going more in depth in the description, but there isn't. Do you still have those links?

    • @12tone
      @12tone  7 лет назад +1

      Whoops, I forgot to include them! Looking it up, here's the sources I meant to post:
      digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1031&context=musicalofferings
      www.thisisgabes.com/images/docs/musicsymbol.pdf
      www.mfiles.co.uk/music-notation-history.htm
      www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/the-evolution-of-the-treble-clef-87122373/
      biography.yourdictionary.com/franco-of-cologne
      www.treblis.com/notation/clefs.html

  • @oldmemes7097
    @oldmemes7097 5 лет назад +6

    watch at 2 times speed

  • @fafaletek7929
    @fafaletek7929 3 года назад

    It's FRANCON OF COLOGNE, not Franco (3'07, modern notation invention)

  • @chandlerdhickman
    @chandlerdhickman 2 года назад

    Do you happen to have a script for this video?

  • @aarontreloar3514
    @aarontreloar3514 6 лет назад

    Cool

  • @Jay-S04
    @Jay-S04 4 года назад

    0:20 is that a plagal cadence

  • @jordanpeek2738
    @jordanpeek2738 6 лет назад +1

    I wonder why they started with square noteheads🤔

    • @somasabul3883
      @somasabul3883 2 года назад

      The shape of the writing tool allowed a fine line in one direction and fat line in the other. A calligraphy kind of thing.

  • @drumsbymark
    @drumsbymark 4 года назад

    Not a bad video. Just confused why you were going so fast? I wouldn't have minded this being an 8 minute video instead of a 4 minute video.

  • @Hermoan4120
    @Hermoan4120 6 лет назад +1

    Didn't use the lick as example... I am dissapointed.

  • @Panyofr
    @Panyofr 4 года назад +1

    I’m the 1k like c:

  • @ichabodmiller7777
    @ichabodmiller7777 3 года назад

    Great video with great information but him writing right to left was tripping me out

  • @ketonitoutai4583
    @ketonitoutai4583 5 лет назад

    hahahahahahahahahaha i love cookies🍪

  • @PASHKULI
    @PASHKULI 2 года назад

    This music notation is a joke.