Criterion were good at that, like when they casually dropped the (at the time) most cinematic single player console FPS of all time in "Black" - and then just never touch the IP ever again 😂
@@Swattii i can't remember exactly how that played out, I think it had some of the Black devs from criterion. Raycevick has a video on it called "spiritual successor to Black"
I had the privilege of being the lead audio programmer on most of the Burnout series. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Burnout 3 was only about 9 month development time, btw. The rest of the 15 months was spent on an cancelled project I'd get into trouble if I talked about publicly.
Also, the influence of arcade cabinets on Burnout is going much deeper than it seems. According to some of the interviews, the first entery is basically a knockoff game from Konami's arcade cabinet racing game called Thrill Drive. They are basically the same. More of that, Criterion wanted to pitch the game to Konami as a home console version of Thrill Drive being called Havenly Drive, but Konami refused. Its so fascinating how some first enteries in game series can be uninspired and blank, and the further ones can be unique and innovative
@dvdbox360 as far as i know, the only person on the youtube mentioning Thril Drive (besides the gameplay footages) is f4mi, but idk, maybe there are more people out there
@@jonathanmarquez7631i dont know the episode number but its the one where alan goes on the adventure to get the paper clips. his neighbor asks if he wants to hangout smoke weed and play burnout revenge on the ps2
I miss Burnout so much. Burnout 3 was a game that was so good that even people who didn't like cars or racing games ended up enjoying Burnout 3. Just imagine how good a modern day Burnout game would be if it had Gran Turismo 7 levels of detailed car models and BeamNG Drive's crash physics. At least the series ended on a high note like the Midnight Club series.
True. One issue though, using beamng's crash physics requires a lot of computing power and would require some toning down. However, burnout paradise's crash physics still holds up well even today.
Removing crash from Dominator and Paradise was a major crime in my eyes. By far my favourite innovation and with the hardware at the time, having bigger, bolder crash junctions would have been amazing. Great video mate!
Definitely. Showtime was hot garbage compared to plain old crash mode. It could've been that you pressed a certain button combination to start crash mode anywhere on the map and then try to beat the high score for the road you crash on.
Finally someone says the exact issue I have with Burnout Paradise: The missions are boring. You just repeat the same roads over and over again because there's no incentive to do otherwise. You do races the same way, stunt runs the same way and then in missions like road rage the roads don't really even matter that much. There are so many fun details in the map that the game doesn't make proper use of. They really should've added a checkpoint system like in Midnight Club and use that to create tracks that make the player explore the map in different ways, give stunt runs area limitations and such. Something to make map exploration become a proper aspect of the core gameplay. Like it's a good game but it ends up feeling stale rather quickly.
@@kyledodson2992 I guess I could've been more specific. In Paradise you end up taking very basic roads that are most straight and time saving during races, and since the finish lines are limited, even if you start somewhere else you soon end up going down the same roads as per usual. In Revenge even if the races have shortcuts, you still end up engaging with tracks that are designed to be interesting in some manner. You tackle the corners the designers wanted you to tackle, see and possibly use the shortcuts they wanted you to use. In designed tracks you engage with the interesting content, while with open world maps you need to place checkpoints on the map in a way that makes the player engage with the map in a fun way. Point is Paradise doesn't utilize its map well despite having a fantastic map. Midnight Club LA had landmark races that showed that these single checkpoint races work as a novelty rather than the whole main form of progression. Though LA does also suffer from utilizing the same roads the same way in many of its tracks.
Yeah, Paradise is the only one I played. The map was decent enough, but you're right - They hardly used it. Races got so boring so fast. The _only_ thing that kept me grinding (and it was a grind) was unlocking all the cars and reaching highest license. Once that was done I uninstalled it and never want to play it again.
Revenge had such an impact on me back when I played it on 2006 on my uncle’s PS2, that, 12 years later, I specifically bought an Xbox Series S to JUST play the 360 version I never got to play as a kid. Not a single franchise in my life has imprinted itself in my memory to suddenly make me go “hey I should really buy this one console for a single game”
Nothing beats the feeling when one of your favorite channel upload an hour long video about one of the best arcade racing franchise ever created. Thank you for this amazing video. Watching this at work as I speak. I'll wait while you're cooking another one.
For me, the best Burnout title is Revenge. This game is a reason why I switched from PS2 to Xbox 360. That particular game. And man, I love Xbox remaster so much to this day. On PlayStation 2, that game feels odd, like underdeveloped sequel of Takedown with the same graphics. But on Xbox, it's totally different game. It's pretty hard in every aspect and rewarding. It's a must-have for every owner of Xbox One and series X/S. It's dirt cheap and still digitally available. I'm sooooo glad that you mention it, because it's console exlusive that every arcade racer should try.
Got both Takedown and Revenge ready on the PS2 emulator and boot them up every couple of weeks. Ever since I played them as a kid nothing has quite outmatched them for me.
I have them on Xbox (og) should I get the emulated ones? I mean I know the resolution will be better, but how are the SFX etc? I have a lot of issues with some emu games not sounding right and or crashing. Any suggestions
@kyledodson2992 idk about Xbox emulation, but PCSX2 is a superb PS2 emulator. I've rarely ran into issues with it, and whenever I did, it was easily remedied by messing with settings.
Appreciate the little nod to Flat-out 2 in there dude Would love to see a video on that series some time.. 2 was the game that basically formed my current day music taste and I spent far too much time playing it as a kid. Wreckfest is the only game recently to have come close for me
I love all of the music choices you used in the vid bro! Big ups for the Rapp Snitch Knishes alt you used too. Loved the whole deep dive you did into the series as a whole great stuff!
At this point it's basically just a channel meme that every video has a different cover of Knishes in it, also there's a full music list with timestamps at the end if you wanna check it out.
@@Fastminer07 The following is only a small blemish in what is an amazing video (now that I’ve actually finished it ): I feel like you missed out on the major upgrade that Paradise made to the by then series staple of crashing into traffic, Showdown Mode. Alongside the social aspect of beating your friends times on streets. Great video regaurdless and I actually agree on a lot of the blemishes you pointed out for the game like the strange driving model changes from early->mid->late game vehicles. I personally drove the mini Ghostbusters van for 90%of my time because it was agile through ramps and traffic while still being a bruiser vehicle. Also the siren was perfect for alerting fellow drivers of my location during chases/dumb fun
I generally didnt grow up playing the Burnout series, but i always wanted to play the series. Last year, Ive bought old raacing games and series like Driver: San Francisco, Race Driver: GRID, GRID 2, NFS: Prostreet and Shift and DiRT 1, 2 and 3. I enjoyed and raged playing those games on my PS3. I played Burnout: Paradise remastered on my PC which always crashed but i fixed it. I like your content Fastminer because i love to see old racing games that ive never heard before. And do you recommend any more old racing games for the PS3 or XBOX 360? Keep up the good work!
Burnout paradise has given me some of the best moments of my life. it's a timeless game for me, and if the series was going to end, I'd say they ended it on a big bang
Paradise was CRAP and the WORST game in the series.EA DESTROYED Burnout with Burnout Paradise.An open world DOES NOT WORK in a burnout game! You cant be trying to navigate looking at a map when you are trying to just miss cars coming in the opposite direction!! Needs set created tracks as ALL the other burnout games had.
It's a shame to hear you hate burnout chains. I compare Burnout chains to a combo in THPS, the feeling of reaching a stupidly high chain without making a mistake is unmatched. And I say that as someone who's hit like a 96 chain in Paradise freeburn and a 91 chain in Dominator before :) Dominator is extremely underrated, the high difficulty, insanely varied and challenging track design, and terrible handling kind of give it a unique charm. It does go too far in some areas like the ridicolously hard signature shortcuts and some of the later road rage events which just have insanely aggressive and all over the place AI..and honestly, I kinda love it. If you thought the PS2 version was bad, try PSP it's INCREDIBLY broken. Sometimes it crashes after getting a signature shortcut and if that happens you have to get it again.. Great video though!
The fact that criterion is stuck with NFS, yet they add things like takedowns in HP2010 (well kind of since it works off health bars). And their overuse of crash cams to me says that they REALLY want to make a new burnout game but EA just refuses to let then out of the NFS coal mines...
Ngl I thought I was tripping hearing the avalanche instrumental 😭 but great video you're one of the most underrated channels on the site and if you keep going like this I know for a fact you'll blow
The thing about Legends on PSP is that it was a good portable Burnout game. That's what it was all about. And for people from third world countries, it still is, it's the most accessible option. Even getting a Switch to play Paradise remastered is already a bit steep, but even my previous, now 4 years old, base entry model smartphone, could run it on PPSSPP. I kinda turned PPSSPP and Duckstation into my own little Switch, transferring the saves between my phone and PC, to play on the go, mostly during break at work, but get better graphics at home (my previous phone couldn't even handle higher resolutions on PS1 games, I had to go native, though for PSP it had mixed results).
I don't want EA to bring it back, they'd ruin it somehow. What I'd like is for Burnout to get the BallisticNG treatment that Wipeout got. Get an indie developer who's extremely passionate about it, give it modding tools, and provide a great base game experience with lots of cool features like VR.
Man burnout is such a great series but sadly criterion now days just focus on nfs series they can't focus with they own franchise other than making more nfs game well it is what it is man
i rented burnout 1 as a kid, and i feel its the best way to experience that game. The after championship screen does tell you that that you unlock face offs, and i assumed they unlock cars. I dug the unique vibe it had compared to the rest of the series, where it felt inspired more by European car chases , rather than *most arcade racer tone wise. It had music reminicent of tv action thriller schlock. The car selection is comprised of 'car types' each having a representative. The cars are so regular it feels either like a car chase or a impromptu race between people driving what they happen to have. * Tho this is due to being inspired by Thrill Drive. (it even has the impact font position markers over ai cars).
Holy shit, you actually bring up Legends????? Okay so I know for someone who played the main series, Legends is nothing special. But Legends was my intro to the series. And for me, the soundtrack being taken from Revenge means that whenever I played 3 retroactively, I couldn’t help but feel it had the “wrong” soundtrack 😅
Perfect assay on a perfect racing series. That's why I subscribed to you. Burnout 3 was my first racing game and made me a racing gamer. It's a really awesome video!
Burnout Paradise is easily my favorite out of the Burnout games, I think it needs a sequel. I would not own 3 copies of Burnout Paradise if I didn’t like it. Personally i think the physics in Burnout Paradise are better than most newer Criterion/Ghost Need for Speed games, I can’t pin point why, but Burnout Paradise just feels more consistent, physics wise.
Burnout had to be my favorite racing series. Largely because smashing up your car wasn't viewed as a penalty, but rather a *_key feature_* of the franchise to the point where there were dedicated modes to reducing the vehicles driven by yourself, your rivals, and even traffic into burning heaps of scrap metal!
If New Burnout is difficult to make, I would rather make Burnout 3, Revenge Remastered. Like Command & Conquer Remastered Collection. That game was a great Remastered. If they can make Burnout Paradise Remastered, I don't understand why they don't make Burnout 3, Revenge Remastered.
and besides, it's not like EA had to worry about other licensing woes besides music, unlike most racing games like NFS, Forza, Gran Turismo, and The Crew, where not only some car companies would prefer to stay away from most racing games in general (slowly turns at Toyota & Peugeot), the games are more likely to get taken off from stores when the licenses expired, or worse, having the game ended up the same fate as The Crew did
got marked man juked live in a video, its so joever in all seriousness, thanks for having the opportunity to set up these sessions and you put up a really great video, will definitely check it again soon!
I'm glad that you mentioned the Smiling Friends! When I saw that episode with my friends, we ended up playing burnout 3 after and it got me thinking "huh, I wanna play when I get home". And so I did. Gotta say WOW! Games were so much fun back then.
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LEGENDS WAS MENTIONED!!!! It was my introduction to the series in Christmas 2011 and I had the same save file for about 11 years until it corrupted :( The only other burnout games I've played were Crash (Yikes) and Paradise which I've 100% completed 3 times now.
Burnout was such an awesome series, driving at full speed totaling your car without a care in the world, it might've died but at least it didn't live long enough to be ruined by EA.
this video was fucking awesome! finally a wholesome video of the franchise, with a enjoyable commentary wit some kickass within. right on good work! btw, got goosebumps when the burnout 2 intro dropped.
Man I loved playing online on burnout paradise when it came out, I got it again on game pass recently and it was fun but didn't hit as hard because the lobbies were dead now
burnout 3 was my favorite when I was a kid, particularly the crash mode. The length was truly incredible, as it never felt like i ran out of crashed to do.
Unpopular Opinion: Burnout 2 was the best in the series Best looking cars, best tracks, best OST.. The later games were certainly more bombastic, I mean Takedown didn't leave my console for about a year; but something about Burnout 2 was just 😘👌🏻
55:25 "you're gonna have to check the minimap and compass often" I'm about to blow your mind (hopefully; if anyone hasn't done it already). See the street signs on the top of the HUD? That shows you where you're supposed to go, and most of the time the CPU opponents will also take this route (assuming they don't veer off into a different route first). During races, whenever you approach an intersection or a junction or etc, you'll see a new sign flashing and sliding from the left/right into the middle sign - this tells you where you should turn next, e.g. if the street sign flashes from the left, then take a left on the next junction/intersection, etc. Obviously you're free to ignore it and go your own route, but if you do this, the game will also calculate a new route anyway and you can follow that instead. (go to 54:57 if you want an example)
In my personal opinion, I preferred the PS2 version of Revenge. I slightly prefer the textures and I feel like the bloom effect being way over the top on 360 kinda ruined it's style.
I remember a demo disc that came with a PlayStation2 magazine in the 90s. It contained 2 demos which the magazine warned were just to show off a new rendering engine, but the magazine thought they were fun anyway. One became Airblade, which was decent, but Burnout was the game I couldn't stop playing. Just amazing.
If anyone is interested, Xbox is having a fire sale on some non-BC 360 games. Burnout Crash is $0.49 right now, and Burnout 3 is intended to be discounted but is yet to happen.
Surprised you didn't go more into Burnout Paradise like the different type of boosts, change to crash mode, the added stunt mode, cacelled dlc, the weird couch multiplayer, or the dlc vehicles. I also had the same issue with it only having eight finish lines and the controls for a, but at least with the controls I got more accustomed to it once I started to use the e-brake for certain turns.
I think the best thing about Burnout Paradise is the map and the way the entire game is built around it. You can drive around the map for a very long time without ever stopping and still progress through the game even without playing events. There's a ton of stuff to find around the map, be it collectibles, spots for stunt runs, shortcuts for races and marked man events... The map is small but it's also very dense, so you can play the game for a long time and still discover new stuff. Big Surf Island is smaller but is even denser than the mainland map.
You mentioned about how you wished the online servers for revenge were still up. They still are, there exists a community made private server for burnout 3 and revenge online and is quite active in terms of players :)
Eh, the developer that worked on the Burnout 3 server has basically stopped development on the Revenge server and it's still in closed beta, so right now you can't play online on Revenge since it's not open to the public. As for Burnout 3, I would say it's somewhat active but only on the weekends or a major event, besides that the server lobby is empty so you have to use a code to start a race by yourself (which you can use to learn the traffic and have a better chance when going up against good players). The most I've seen online on Burnout 3 was like 10 players and that was around the time the game turned 19, so it's pretty dead unfortunately.
TXR is obscure? That game/Franchise is an absolute GEM. And Burnout 1's pretty easy to me, I've beaten all the Championship using just the Tow Truck without boosting. (Only ever had to Restart when AI created BS crashes, which USUALLY were modest to avoid.) Given how games are now? Going back to play Burnout 1 is just refreshing.
I suppose, but to me, it's more an overlooked Diamond in the rough. I got into the franchise by pure happy accident it was my first PS2 game (TXR0). Granted Freeway racing is not everyone's cup-of-tea.
You forgot about the fact that the Burnout series took some inspiration from the dark Thrill Drive arcade games. Would love to see you cover those arcade games !
I haven't been able to find anything concrete linking the 2 games outside of an uncited interview with Alex Ward. So I choose to leave it out. They do have some similarities though.
Politely disagreeing on Burnout Paradise open marker races. I think having to plot your way through the race was great and feels rewarding. I do agree the map density could have been simplify to minimize unnecessary crashes.
Takedown and Revenge have 2 of the absolute best game soundtracks of all time. And the fact that there’s a Yellowcard track on both makes me super happy. Besides the amazing music, the games themselves are 2 of my favorite games. Even to this day.
I still play Burnout 3 takedown until this day and it's on my "always ready to play" games. The sense of speed and music is something I need to experience every couple days.
And I wanted so badly to love Paradise so so much. I even tried to convince myself that the missions were only boring because it wasn’t takedown or revenge, but damn do I feel validated in thinking that way.
Great video also during the premiere, I apologize for the language I said. But I'm just tired of hearing hate comments from some of these people that never touch grass in their life
Burnout Revenge is by far my favorite Burnout, it wasnt the first I played (somehow it was Dominator), it sure has it flaws like the lack of variety of cars to drive aside the special unlocks, and specially DJ Atomika because after playing Takedown I missed him, but I feel like the Violence factor in the game is what made me stick to it more than Burnout 3 which I played after Revenge In short, I just like Revenge because I like Revenge
27:40 I actually do have an answer, and it's shown a bit in the intro when the game is booted up, but I'll go into a little more detail. Traffic in Burnout 3, and I believe Burnout 2 to a lesser extent, has an adverse reaction to crashes. I believe it almost reprograms the AI if a crash occurs in close proximity to the traffic, causing them to brake/speed up accordingly and causes them to slide around depending in their action. It seems that there is a window with the traffic where if a racer hits a traffic vehicle that has detected a crash nearby, but has yet to activate a reaction, the traffic vehicle will temporarily lose its collision trigger and get launched by whatever vehicle hits it, I assume it deactivates the collision trigger because the vehicle takes no damage from the impact despite being lifted off the ground with substantial force.
You almost kinda adressed it but man, let me explicitly say: the blinking road signs that tell you where to go can go fuck themselves sometimes. There's this one particular spot in a specific race where you have to take a right turn (onto one of those mountain roads i think, or at least it goes up a hill in a curve) and the signs come up when you're right fucking next to where you need to turn. God, i hate that. I love the game but how hard it is to navigate sometimes + the often incredibly bad visibility of obstacles leading to annoying crashes is so enormously frustrating. I never played the home console versions of Burnout but loved the PSP entries! I really gotta go back and try the best home console entries too. Anyway, great video on my favorite racing game series next to Flatout! Which....you know, a retrospective on that would be cool too :D.
I only played Paradise, but I did play almost every single Flatout with my beloved Flatout 2. Would be very nice if there was a franchise of racing/derby games that isn't dead, but everything died cuz sim racing, and like with 3D platformers around 2017 there is a chance one day we might see them again... I hope
Midnight Club LA and Burnout Paradise were two games I played and then went back to the last one, Midnight Club 3 and Burnout Revenge were more fun back then and I maintain my opinion today with emulators
58:48 This is some facts right here because I always come across a lot of hardcore modern racing game fanboys (especially FH5 fanboys) and they always talk about how today’s racing games are some of the best racing games off all time… yet 90% of the people who defends those games never play the actual racing events in the games. Despite it being called a “racing game”. Of course that doesn’t mean the games are bad because you can still have fun and mess around in them. But just like you said. I’d also argue that having good racing is still an important quality as to what makes a good racing game. Overall great video. Sucks that Burnout ended the way it did. But at least it ended on a high note and also got a remaster. You can’t get that out of other racing game franchises. Also love the Euphoria beat lol
I remember, a LONG ass time ago, there was this game launcher or website or something, and on it were various demos of games, but you could only play a certain amount of times, and burnout was one of the demos, it wasn't until recently that I was going through steam and found that game.
Actually replaying the first four on pcsx2 right now lmao. They all hold up pretty well even for today's standards. If I had to pick a favourite out of the series, it would have to be revenge.
greatest racing series of all time and its not even close burnout 3 will always have a special place in my heart as it was the first game i ever fell in love with when i was a wee young lad
My god, aside from Paradise, I used to spend a lot of time on Burnout Crash back on my PS3 as a kid. Just crashing (no pun intended) myself into the traffic for hours reaching for the high score while i sit back and enjoy the wreckage. Good times man!
I'd love to see a new Burnout game, or a Paradise 2 tbh, maybe split the franchise where one team does the arcade style games while the other do the open world games (not to phase out NFS as they are more of a licensed racing game franchise), a more back to basics non-licensed racing games are needed, but yeah So, as of now, the Burnout Paradise is a perfect swan song for the franchise (even though it does not have any features from other games from all five arcade games), so yeah Also, if we do a new Burnout game, have all features and vehicles from all the games, all the OG races for the arcade games and maybe a vehicle customisations for the open world version, so I think I leave it here then, lol
emulating burnout dominator (as of right now) doesn't really show off the potential of what the game actually looks like because half of the graphical effects are missing, it looks absolutely phenomenal on real hardware it's kind of unreal that it's 60fps as well on a real ps2
At least Burnout had the privilege that very few franchises get to do, end on a high note. "You either die a hero" and whatnot
Criterion were good at that, like when they casually dropped the (at the time) most cinematic single player console FPS of all time in "Black" - and then just never touch the IP ever again 😂
@@unbearifiedbear1885 Bodycount was supposed to be it's spiritual successor to Black but ehh
Midnight Club as well
@sixish It says Codemasters developed "Bodycount". I'm surprised Codemasters made something else than racing games.
@@Swattii i can't remember exactly how that played out, I think it had some of the Black devs from criterion. Raycevick has a video on it called "spiritual successor to Black"
I had the privilege of being the lead audio programmer on most of the Burnout series. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Burnout 3 was only about 9 month development time, btw. The rest of the 15 months was spent on an cancelled project I'd get into trouble if I talked about publicly.
This is probably the closest I'd get to someone who worked on my favorite racing game franchise.
Thank you. The audio design in those games is superb.
thank you for your service o7. When i was a kid, i used to crash the cars in the most violent ways, just to see what they sound/look like😄
I wish yt still had DMs :(
@@Govane_it does?
@@djarcas not anymore, wish it had so I could ask you about the cancelled project lol
Also, the influence of arcade cabinets on Burnout is going much deeper than it seems. According to some of the interviews, the first entery is basically a knockoff game from Konami's arcade cabinet racing game called Thrill Drive. They are basically the same. More of that, Criterion wanted to pitch the game to Konami as a home console version of Thrill Drive being called Havenly Drive, but Konami refused. Its so fascinating how some first enteries in game series can be uninspired and blank, and the further ones can be unique and innovative
the saddest part is that i just saw another youtuber did this kind of videos too but didn't mentioned thrill drive either
interesting details!
@dvdbox360 as far as i know, the only person on the youtube mentioning Thril Drive (besides the gameplay footages) is f4mi, but idk, maybe there are more people out there
Crazy that the biggest Burnout thing we've gotten recently was a brief mention and cameo in Smiling Friends of all things.
What episode??
@@jonathanmarquez7631the Burnout episode
@@jonathanmarquez7631i dont know the episode number but its the one where alan goes on the adventure to get the paper clips. his neighbor asks if he wants to hangout smoke weed and play burnout revenge on the ps2
I miss Burnout so much. Burnout 3 was a game that was so good that even people who didn't like cars or racing games ended up enjoying Burnout 3. Just imagine how good a modern day Burnout game would be if it had Gran Turismo 7 levels of detailed car models and BeamNG Drive's crash physics. At least the series ended on a high note like the Midnight Club series.
True. One issue though, using beamng's crash physics requires a lot of computing power and would require some toning down. However, burnout paradise's crash physics still holds up well even today.
That soundtrack was fire man
For me, i sometimes like those fake car damages than beamng crash physics lol, they look so convincing back then
@@Userpoopu7g74 same. Burnout's system feels more weighty
Removing crash from Dominator and Paradise was a major crime in my eyes. By far my favourite innovation and with the hardware at the time, having bigger, bolder crash junctions would have been amazing. Great video mate!
Definitely. Showtime was hot garbage compared to plain old crash mode. It could've been that you pressed a certain button combination to start crash mode anywhere on the map and then try to beat the high score for the road you crash on.
@@max-rdj9741 or build your own crash junctions with buses and ramps 😮
I love showtime but I think they still could have put crash in paradise
I prefer car combat games that knock down opponents with physical contact rather than using auto aim power ups
same. Most of the other combat racing games didn't use this which would have made them a lot more fun
Finally someone says the exact issue I have with Burnout Paradise:
The missions are boring. You just repeat the same roads over and over again because there's no incentive to do otherwise. You do races the same way, stunt runs the same way and then in missions like road rage the roads don't really even matter that much. There are so many fun details in the map that the game doesn't make proper use of. They really should've added a checkpoint system like in Midnight Club and use that to create tracks that make the player explore the map in different ways, give stunt runs area limitations and such. Something to make map exploration become a proper aspect of the core gameplay.
Like it's a good game but it ends up feeling stale rather quickly.
This criticism could be laid over any burnout game post 3. Or most racing games in general
That's why revenge and 3 are goated
@@kyledodson2992 I guess I could've been more specific. In Paradise you end up taking very basic roads that are most straight and time saving during races, and since the finish lines are limited, even if you start somewhere else you soon end up going down the same roads as per usual. In Revenge even if the races have shortcuts, you still end up engaging with tracks that are designed to be interesting in some manner. You tackle the corners the designers wanted you to tackle, see and possibly use the shortcuts they wanted you to use. In designed tracks you engage with the interesting content, while with open world maps you need to place checkpoints on the map in a way that makes the player engage with the map in a fun way.
Point is Paradise doesn't utilize its map well despite having a fantastic map.
Midnight Club LA had landmark races that showed that these single checkpoint races work as a novelty rather than the whole main form of progression. Though LA does also suffer from utilizing the same roads the same way in many of its tracks.
Yeah, Paradise is the only one I played. The map was decent enough, but you're right - They hardly used it. Races got so boring so fast. The _only_ thing that kept me grinding (and it was a grind) was unlocking all the cars and reaching highest license. Once that was done I uninstalled it and never want to play it again.
@@Arexion5293 gotcha okay
Burnout 3's soundtrack is burned into my brain. Over 2 hours of bangers after bangers.
Paired with pure, simple fun, I am hooked for life.
This is still my go to playlist, and it defined my whole music tastes
Revenge had such an impact on me back when I played it on 2006 on my uncle’s PS2, that, 12 years later, I specifically bought an Xbox Series S to JUST play the 360 version I never got to play as a kid.
Not a single franchise in my life has imprinted itself in my memory to suddenly make me go “hey I should really buy this one console for a single game”
24:14 Manley captured the soul of Most Wanted perfectly in that clip😂😂
Glad I'm not the only one who caught that it was him LMAO
Nothing beats the feeling when one of your favorite channel upload an hour long video about one of the best arcade racing franchise ever created. Thank you for this amazing video. Watching this at work as I speak. I'll wait while you're cooking another one.
For me, the best Burnout title is Revenge. This game is a reason why I switched from PS2 to Xbox 360. That particular game. And man, I love Xbox remaster so much to this day. On PlayStation 2, that game feels odd, like underdeveloped sequel of Takedown with the same graphics. But on Xbox, it's totally different game. It's pretty hard in every aspect and rewarding. It's a must-have for every owner of Xbox One and series X/S. It's dirt cheap and still digitally available. I'm sooooo glad that you mention it, because it's console exlusive that every arcade racer should try.
Got both Takedown and Revenge ready on the PS2 emulator and boot them up every couple of weeks. Ever since I played them as a kid nothing has quite outmatched them for me.
I have them on Xbox (og) should I get the emulated ones? I mean I know the resolution will be better, but how are the SFX etc? I have a lot of issues with some emu games not sounding right and or crashing. Any suggestions
@kyledodson2992 idk about Xbox emulation, but PCSX2 is a superb PS2 emulator. I've rarely ran into issues with it, and whenever I did, it was easily remedied by messing with settings.
16:25 THIS TURN. THIS EXACT TURN. EVERY SINGLE TIME.
still so fun to play some burnout
To be honest, I like Burnout Revenge's car list over Burnout 3's because of the improved modeling quality.
Appreciate the little nod to Flat-out 2 in there dude
Would love to see a video on that series some time.. 2 was the game that basically formed my current day music taste and I spent far too much time playing it as a kid. Wreckfest is the only game recently to have come close for me
That would make sense given it's dev team
@Fastminer07 as I recall they're made up of some former developers from the Flat-out games right?
yeah, it's all Bugbear
@@filmcameras4evr45 It's not just some former developers, it's the same studio. The game runs on the same engine too.
Over 10 years later and I still missed this series. Glad that the Burnout fandom isn’t dead, for now.
I love all of the music choices you used in the vid bro! Big ups for the Rapp Snitch Knishes alt you used too.
Loved the whole deep dive you did into the series as a whole great stuff!
At this point it's basically just a channel meme that every video has a different cover of Knishes in it, also there's a full music list with timestamps at the end if you wanna check it out.
@@Fastminer07 The following is only a small blemish in what is an amazing video (now that I’ve actually finished it ):
I feel like you missed out on the major upgrade that Paradise made to the by then series staple of crashing into traffic, Showdown Mode. Alongside the social aspect of beating your friends times on streets.
Great video regaurdless and I actually agree on a lot of the blemishes you pointed out for the game like the strange driving model changes from early->mid->late game vehicles. I personally drove the mini Ghostbusters van for 90%of my time because it was agile through ramps and traffic while still being a bruiser vehicle. Also the siren was perfect for alerting fellow drivers of my location during chases/dumb fun
When the cars burn out.
I generally didnt grow up playing the Burnout series, but i always wanted to play the series. Last year, Ive bought old raacing games and series like Driver: San Francisco, Race Driver: GRID, GRID 2, NFS: Prostreet and Shift and DiRT 1, 2 and 3. I enjoyed and raged playing those games on my PS3. I played Burnout: Paradise remastered on my PC which always crashed but i fixed it.
I like your content Fastminer because i love to see old racing games that ive never heard before. And do you recommend any more old racing games for the PS3 or XBOX 360?
Keep up the good work!
Ha. I was playing Burnout 3 and Revenge just minutes ago.
Revenge was my favorite one!!
Same, I wad just playing Revenge a few minutes before I started on this video
Ha. I was playing with your mom just minutes ago.
Burnout paradise has given me some of the best moments of my life. it's a timeless game for me, and if the series was going to end, I'd say they ended it on a big bang
Paradise was CRAP and the WORST game in the series.EA DESTROYED Burnout with Burnout Paradise.An open world DOES NOT WORK in a burnout game! You cant be trying to navigate looking at a map when you are trying to just miss cars coming in the opposite direction!! Needs set created tracks as ALL the other burnout games had.
It's a shame to hear you hate burnout chains. I compare Burnout chains to a combo in THPS, the feeling of reaching a stupidly high chain without making a mistake is unmatched. And I say that as someone who's hit like a 96 chain in Paradise freeburn and a 91 chain in Dominator before :)
Dominator is extremely underrated, the high difficulty, insanely varied and challenging track design, and terrible handling kind of give it a unique charm. It does go too far in some areas like the ridicolously hard signature shortcuts and some of the later road rage events which just have insanely aggressive and all over the place AI..and honestly, I kinda love it. If you thought the PS2 version was bad, try PSP it's INCREDIBLY broken. Sometimes it crashes after getting a signature shortcut and if that happens you have to get it again..
Great video though!
The fact that criterion is stuck with NFS, yet they add things like takedowns in HP2010 (well kind of since it works off health bars). And their overuse of crash cams to me says that they REALLY want to make a new burnout game but EA just refuses to let then out of the NFS coal mines...
Ngl I thought I was tripping hearing the avalanche instrumental 😭 but great video you're one of the most underrated channels on the site and if you keep going like this I know for a fact you'll blow
From what? I cant find it bro💀
The thing about Legends on PSP is that it was a good portable Burnout game. That's what it was all about. And for people from third world countries, it still is, it's the most accessible option. Even getting a Switch to play Paradise remastered is already a bit steep, but even my previous, now 4 years old, base entry model smartphone, could run it on PPSSPP.
I kinda turned PPSSPP and Duckstation into my own little Switch, transferring the saves between my phone and PC, to play on the go, mostly during break at work, but get better graphics at home (my previous phone couldn't even handle higher resolutions on PS1 games, I had to go native, though for PSP it had mixed results).
A one hour documentary about the Burnout series? Yes please, this is super great content! Your channel should be WAY bigger!
EA please bring this Legendary series back
I loved it to bits
I don't want EA to bring it back, they'd ruin it somehow. What I'd like is for Burnout to get the BallisticNG treatment that Wipeout got. Get an indie developer who's extremely passionate about it, give it modding tools, and provide a great base game experience with lots of cool features like VR.
@@WMan37 Of course u don't want a good series to come back
@@Masterchief0181 You should _really_ work on your reading comprehension.
@@WMan37 When i mean bring the series back
Do it like the Burnout 3-Revenge era
Keep it simple but fun
How much weed and diet soda did you consume while playing revenge?
Yes.
Man burnout is such a great series but sadly criterion now days just focus on nfs series they can't focus with they own franchise other than making more nfs game well it is what it is man
The boost sound in ps2 version of burnout revvenge is one of the best boost sounds of all time
it go BWOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAH
i rented burnout 1 as a kid, and i feel its the best way to experience that game. The after championship screen does tell you that that you unlock face offs, and i assumed they unlock cars.
I dug the unique vibe it had compared to the rest of the series, where it felt inspired more by European car chases , rather than *most arcade racer tone wise. It had music reminicent of tv action thriller schlock. The car selection is comprised of 'car types' each having a representative. The cars are so regular it feels either like a car chase or a impromptu race between people driving what they happen to have. * Tho this is due to being inspired by Thrill Drive. (it even has the impact font position markers over ai cars).
man these retrospective racing games videos really got me into the genre, I'm grateful to find your channel, keep it up
Take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girls are pretty.
Oh wont you please take me home
You must be over the age of 40, or have a good relationship with your dad.
Holy shit, you actually bring up Legends?????
Okay so I know for someone who played the main series, Legends is nothing special. But Legends was my intro to the series. And for me, the soundtrack being taken from Revenge means that whenever I played 3 retroactively, I couldn’t help but feel it had the “wrong” soundtrack 😅
Perfect assay on a perfect racing series. That's why I subscribed to you. Burnout 3 was my first racing game and made me a racing gamer. It's a really awesome video!
Burnout Paradise is easily my favorite out of the Burnout games, I think it needs a sequel.
I would not own 3 copies of Burnout Paradise if I didn’t like it.
Personally i think the physics in Burnout Paradise are better than most newer Criterion/Ghost Need for Speed games, I can’t pin point why, but Burnout Paradise just feels more consistent, physics wise.
Burnout had to be my favorite racing series.
Largely because smashing up your car wasn't viewed as a penalty, but rather a *_key feature_* of the franchise to the point where there were dedicated modes to reducing the vehicles driven by yourself, your rivals, and even traffic into burning heaps of scrap metal!
If New Burnout is difficult to make, I would rather make Burnout 3, Revenge Remastered. Like Command & Conquer Remastered Collection. That game was a great Remastered.
If they can make Burnout Paradise Remastered, I don't understand why they don't make Burnout 3, Revenge Remastered.
and besides, it's not like EA had to worry about other licensing woes besides music, unlike most racing games like NFS, Forza, Gran Turismo, and The Crew, where not only some car companies would prefer to stay away from most racing games in general (slowly turns at Toyota & Peugeot), the games are more likely to get taken off from stores when the licenses expired, or worse, having the game ended up the same fate as The Crew did
Burnout paradise remastered exists
no, no no don't remaster them
make a new game
got marked man juked live in a video, its so joever
in all seriousness, thanks for having the opportunity to set up these sessions and you put up a really great video, will definitely check it again soon!
I'm glad that you mentioned the Smiling Friends! When I saw that episode with my friends, we ended up playing burnout 3 after and it got me thinking "huh, I wanna play when I get home". And so I did. Gotta say WOW! Games were so much fun back then.
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LEGENDS WAS MENTIONED!!!! It was my introduction to the series in Christmas 2011 and I had the same save file for about 11 years until it corrupted :( The only other burnout games I've played were Crash (Yikes) and Paradise which I've 100% completed 3 times now.
Burnout was such an awesome series, driving at full speed totaling your car without a care in the world, it might've died but at least it didn't live long enough to be ruined by EA.
my beloved fastminer07 you should do a video like this on flatout series too.. great series really..
this video was fucking awesome! finally a wholesome video of the franchise, with a enjoyable commentary wit some kickass within. right on good work! btw, got goosebumps when the burnout 2 intro dropped.
Man I loved playing online on burnout paradise when it came out, I got it again on game pass recently and it was fun but didn't hit as hard because the lobbies were dead now
Not to try Dominator? Too late, Burnout Dominator was the first game from Burnout franchise that I played. And I did enjoyed it.
Same
Man that Burnout 2 intro song brings back all the nostalgia of playing it on my ps2 with my dad when I was a little kid
burnout 3 was my favorite when I was a kid, particularly the crash mode. The length was truly incredible, as it never felt like i ran out of crashed to do.
Unpopular Opinion: Burnout 2 was the best in the series
Best looking cars, best tracks, best OST.. The later games were certainly more bombastic, I mean Takedown didn't leave my console for about a year; but something about Burnout 2 was just 😘👌🏻
I love you have Father Time intrumental by Kendrick in the video. Great video of Burnout!
I had a hyperfocus on burnout 3 when i was a wee lad. I made a "racecar" out of a nightstand on its side, pillows, and a steering wheel taped to it.
The hip hop instrumentals are great, the kdot got me
After touch sounds in the 3rd game always freaked me out as a kid lol
Dominator was my first Burnout.
Was so frustrated by constant crashing (of my car)
55:25 "you're gonna have to check the minimap and compass often"
I'm about to blow your mind (hopefully; if anyone hasn't done it already). See the street signs on the top of the HUD? That shows you where you're supposed to go, and most of the time the CPU opponents will also take this route (assuming they don't veer off into a different route first). During races, whenever you approach an intersection or a junction or etc, you'll see a new sign flashing and sliding from the left/right into the middle sign - this tells you where you should turn next, e.g. if the street sign flashes from the left, then take a left on the next junction/intersection, etc. Obviously you're free to ignore it and go your own route, but if you do this, the game will also calculate a new route anyway and you can follow that instead. (go to 54:57 if you want an example)
In my personal opinion, I preferred the PS2 version of Revenge. I slightly prefer the textures and I feel like the bloom effect being way over the top on 360 kinda ruined it's style.
I remember a demo disc that came with a PlayStation2 magazine in the 90s. It contained 2 demos which the magazine warned were just to show off a new rendering engine, but the magazine thought they were fun anyway. One became Airblade, which was decent, but Burnout was the game I couldn't stop playing. Just amazing.
If anyone is interested, Xbox is having a fire sale on some non-BC 360 games. Burnout Crash is $0.49 right now, and Burnout 3 is intended to be discounted but is yet to happen.
Surprised you didn't go more into Burnout Paradise like the different type of boosts, change to crash mode, the added stunt mode, cacelled dlc, the weird couch multiplayer, or the dlc vehicles. I also had the same issue with it only having eight finish lines and the controls for a, but at least with the controls I got more accustomed to it once I started to use the e-brake for certain turns.
I think the best thing about Burnout Paradise is the map and the way the entire game is built around it. You can drive around the map for a very long time without ever stopping and still progress through the game even without playing events. There's a ton of stuff to find around the map, be it collectibles, spots for stunt runs, shortcuts for races and marked man events...
The map is small but it's also very dense, so you can play the game for a long time and still discover new stuff. Big Surf Island is smaller but is even denser than the mainland map.
You mentioned about how you wished the online servers for revenge were still up. They still are, there exists a community made private server for burnout 3 and revenge online and is quite active in terms of players :)
Eh, the developer that worked on the Burnout 3 server has basically stopped development on the Revenge server and it's still in closed beta, so right now you can't play online on Revenge since it's not open to the public. As for Burnout 3, I would say it's somewhat active but only on the weekends or a major event, besides that the server lobby is empty so you have to use a code to start a race by yourself (which you can use to learn the traffic and have a better chance when going up against good players). The most I've seen online on Burnout 3 was like 10 players and that was around the time the game turned 19, so it's pretty dead unfortunately.
This video brings so much nostalgia, as a young kid i played this and loved it so much, good video
Props to using the best looking car in the thumbnail, the custom coupe ultimate
TXR is obscure? That game/Franchise is an absolute GEM.
And Burnout 1's pretty easy to me, I've beaten all the Championship using just the Tow Truck without boosting. (Only ever had to Restart when AI created BS crashes, which USUALLY were modest to avoid.) Given how games are now? Going back to play Burnout 1 is just refreshing.
It's gotten more recognition recently, but at the time it definitely was
I suppose, but to me, it's more an overlooked Diamond in the rough. I got into the franchise by pure happy accident it was my first PS2 game (TXR0). Granted Freeway racing is not everyone's cup-of-tea.
You forgot about the fact that the Burnout series took some inspiration from the dark Thrill Drive arcade games. Would love to see you cover those arcade games !
I haven't been able to find anything concrete linking the 2 games outside of an uncited interview with Alex Ward. So I choose to leave it out. They do have some similarities though.
DUDE the irate gamer clip in the beginning gets so much props from me, just took my back like crazy 😂
I can't tell if you're joking with his name or what, but yeah, despite him being before my time, I've enjoyed my fair share of AVGN
Politely disagreeing on Burnout Paradise open marker races.
I think having to plot your way through the race was great and feels rewarding.
I do agree the map density could have been simplify to minimize unnecessary crashes.
I'd love to see you cover Split/Second.
can you make a video on split/second? genuinely one of the most unique games at the time and graphically, was beautiful.
Check on the channel in literally 20 minutes
33:25 “Oh yeah yeah, I totally agre- JSCHLATT?!?!”
The Jschlungus himself
Takedown and Revenge have 2 of the absolute best game soundtracks of all time. And the fact that there’s a Yellowcard track on both makes me super happy. Besides the amazing music, the games themselves are 2 of my favorite games. Even to this day.
I still play Burnout 3 takedown until this day and it's on my "always ready to play" games. The sense of speed and music is something I need to experience every couple days.
And I wanted so badly to love Paradise so so much. I even tried to convince myself that the missions were only boring because it wasn’t takedown or revenge, but damn do I feel validated in thinking that way.
Whoever worked on the music choices for this video, i owe you $20 and a handy
Unless it's someone else's footage or quote, it's all me
This still fucking hurts...
Great video also during the premiere, I apologize for the language I said. But I'm just tired of hearing hate comments from some of these people that never touch grass in their life
Burnout Revenge is by far my favorite Burnout, it wasnt the first I played (somehow it was Dominator), it sure has it flaws like the lack of variety of cars to drive aside the special unlocks, and specially DJ Atomika because after playing Takedown I missed him, but I feel like the Violence factor in the game is what made me stick to it more than Burnout 3 which I played after Revenge
In short, I just like Revenge because I like Revenge
Wish this and motorstorm both come back one day but that will never happen 😞
Dude burbout 2 when i was in 2nd grade was gamechanging for me. When 3 came out it was unbelievable.
27:40 I actually do have an answer, and it's shown a bit in the intro when the game is booted up, but I'll go into a little more detail.
Traffic in Burnout 3, and I believe Burnout 2 to a lesser extent, has an adverse reaction to crashes. I believe it almost reprograms the AI if a crash occurs in close proximity to the traffic, causing them to brake/speed up accordingly and causes them to slide around depending in their action.
It seems that there is a window with the traffic where if a racer hits a traffic vehicle that has detected a crash nearby, but has yet to activate a reaction, the traffic vehicle will temporarily lose its collision trigger and get launched by whatever vehicle hits it, I assume it deactivates the collision trigger because the vehicle takes no damage from the impact despite being lifted off the ground with substantial force.
Burnout 2/3 and Revenge are three of my top 10 favourite games
I played the Burnout games but Burnout 3 is one that I still go back to. I personally like it more than Burnout Paradise.
burnout paradise city is a masterpiece to this day
You almost kinda adressed it but man, let me explicitly say: the blinking road signs that tell you where to go can go fuck themselves sometimes. There's this one particular spot in a specific race where you have to take a right turn (onto one of those mountain roads i think, or at least it goes up a hill in a curve) and the signs come up when you're right fucking next to where you need to turn. God, i hate that. I love the game but how hard it is to navigate sometimes + the often incredibly bad visibility of obstacles leading to annoying crashes is so enormously frustrating. I never played the home console versions of Burnout but loved the PSP entries! I really gotta go back and try the best home console entries too.
Anyway, great video on my favorite racing game series next to Flatout! Which....you know, a retrospective on that would be cool too :D.
I only played Paradise, but I did play almost every single Flatout with my beloved Flatout 2. Would be very nice if there was a franchise of racing/derby games that isn't dead, but everything died cuz sim racing, and like with 3D platformers around 2017 there is a chance one day we might see them again... I hope
Midnight Club LA and Burnout Paradise were two games I played and then went back to the last one, Midnight Club 3 and Burnout Revenge were more fun back then and I maintain my opinion today with emulators
58:48 This is some facts right here because I always come across a lot of hardcore modern racing game fanboys (especially FH5 fanboys) and they always talk about how today’s racing games are some of the best racing games off all time… yet 90% of the people who defends those games never play the actual racing events in the games. Despite it being called a “racing game”. Of course that doesn’t mean the games are bad because you can still have fun and mess around in them. But just like you said. I’d also argue that having good racing is still an important quality as to what makes a good racing game.
Overall great video. Sucks that Burnout ended the way it did. But at least it ended on a high note and also got a remaster. You can’t get that out of other racing game franchises.
Also love the Euphoria beat lol
I really liked B3 over revenge mainly you can grind to get cars before touching Campaign
yo this mf used the euphoria beat in this vid? instant like 😂
When I heard it was copyright free, you know I had too
I remember, a LONG ass time ago, there was this game launcher or website or something, and on it were various demos of games, but you could only play a certain amount of times, and burnout was one of the demos, it wasn't until recently that I was going through steam and found that game.
Actually replaying the first four on pcsx2 right now lmao. They all hold up pretty well even for today's standards. If I had to pick a favourite out of the series, it would have to be revenge.
Love the background music in this video!
greatest racing series of all time and its not even close burnout 3 will always have a special place in my heart as it was the first game i ever fell in love with when i was a wee young lad
My god, aside from Paradise, I used to spend a lot of time on Burnout Crash back on my PS3 as a kid. Just crashing (no pun intended) myself into the traffic for hours reaching for the high score while i sit back and enjoy the wreckage. Good times man!
I did the same on my 360, it's not like I was getting a full Burnout experience, but It felt like a really good XBLA game from that time
I'd love to see a new Burnout game, or a Paradise 2 tbh, maybe split the franchise where one team does the arcade style games while the other do the open world games (not to phase out NFS as they are more of a licensed racing game franchise), a more back to basics non-licensed racing games are needed, but yeah
So, as of now, the Burnout Paradise is a perfect swan song for the franchise (even though it does not have any features from other games from all five arcade games), so yeah
Also, if we do a new Burnout game, have all features and vehicles from all the games, all the OG races for the arcade games and maybe a vehicle customisations for the open world version, so I think I leave it here then, lol
my xbox series s is literally called "the Burnout Machine" lmao
Burnout 3 is in my top 5 games ever.
emulating burnout dominator (as of right now) doesn't really show off the potential of what the game actually looks like because half of the graphical effects are missing, it looks absolutely phenomenal on real hardware
it's kind of unreal that it's 60fps as well on a real ps2