@@ultimatespider-man5170 These companies owe their multi billion dollar franchises to the hard work of underpaid creatives. The only reason they have to sell them to Marvel is to pay their own bills in the veritable monopoly that Marvel/DC has on the industry. Paying people what they deserve isn’t hard, it’s inconvenient for a group of people who will never notice the missing money
@@Radicalboyzinc_co-leader the cosmic circus reported this and I follow a lot of channels like the cosmic wonder and everything always and they have all been saying the same thing, this also coincides with Tom hollands secret shoot day which is most likely for a post credit scene for venom 3 but that last part is just me speculating, we will all know Sonys plan for knull and venom for sure when Venom 3 comes out next month, also Donny cates literally tweeted saying he’s read the venom script and said it was more crazy and awesome than anyone could imagine… that’s how you treat a king, he literally tweeted that so idk why this guy didn’t mention that
Its crazy to think that, when the fisrt Venom movie released, Knull wasn't even a year old and the run he was in was still in its first or second arc. Just goes to show how awesome of a villain he is when he's being brought to the screen so soon.
Either that, or the fact that he’s directly tied to Venom alone and would likely need less work done to adapt to a universe without all the other Marvel superheroes
@@_Tzercan you please explain to me what's so interesting about Knull? I look at him and I see a t-pose model for bloodborne or something else fromsoft, but he's not even scary or well designed enough to even be that. I also found his appearances within the venom book to be rather lackluster and I didn't like that he became more of a silver surfer villain. Most of the shit he did happened outside of the book he was supposed to star in.
It speaks more to the dearth of ideas from Sony, that the second a Spider-Man story makes the comics, they'll try to adapt as soon as they have a chance.
Comic book creators are the most overlooked and abused by the current movie buzz. Stan got his credit but so many guys are overlooked. The movies would be so much better if you asked these folks for help.
This takes me back to when Marvel took inspiration from David Aja for the posters for Hawkeye without him knowing. And as he so eloquently put it, "Stop crediting, start paying."
Wait… KGBeast was in Batman v Superman? Jesus that movie is so terrible that I didn’t realize two very important comic characters that are important to Batman and Superman got shafted in the story.
Knull is in the level of thanos, hollywood can't bring him to the big screen with only venom movies, You have to have a similar build-up as the infinity stone stories.
@@ultimatespider-man5170 sure that’s fair, but many characters start out as villains for other characters before doing their own thing. But that doesn’t mean Wolverine needs the hulk to work or Deadpool doesn’t need cable to work
No from what I was told Sony and the creators of the character were talking back and forth when the first trailer came out. He tweeted that Sony and him were talking when they were making script. I could be wrong but I thought he tweeted that out or it was rumored
Yes he did tweet and Donny literally said it was more crazy and badass than you can imagine, something along the lines of that, he did say exactly, that’s how you treat a king, so I’m quite hopeful and plus Venom is only setting up Knull to be the real main villain of Spider-Man 4 also co staring venom, the cosmic circus reported this
I thought Donny Cates saw Venom 3’s script? Didn’t he praise it? Edit: yes he did, he said “I’ll say this; it is so much bigger, and so much more ambitious than you can imagine. And, um...KNULL. Holy shit. That's how you treat a king"
Sadly, this is what work for hire gets you. This is also why creators need to unionize, and collectively refuse to work until we move to a shared profit system for creators.
Yes there was they did consult with him about how he felt on their plans with knull, idk why he completely left this out idk maybe he didn’t see that yet
Knull and venom are almost certainly going to be in Spider-Man 4 with Knull being the main Villain, Venom 3 will just set this up, the cosmic circus reported this and numerous marvel scoop channels have backed this up as well, also Donny cates literally tweeted that he read the script and said that it is more awesome and crazier than anyone could imagine… that’s how you treat a king, he literally tweeted that so idk why this guy didn’t mention it
Sure, Spiderman might not have fought Venom in the Venom movies, but it might still be possible for Venom to fight Spiderman in other Spiderman or marvel movies
Sony and Insomniac did something similar in Marvel's Spider-man 2. The game has very clear inspirations from the king in black story but names like cates were not mentioned in the credits.
Comic book movies have this constant issue of leaving the creators of the original characters and stories completely in the dust and without compensation, while the studios get to profit out of their work
They should have been doing the same thing for all the references from the Donnie Cates run in Spider-Man 2 with literally no credit or mention whatsoever.
Imagine a character that took years of stories before being invented that also relied on other content from stories and just putting him in a movie basically out of nowhere. Personally I don't like Knull but it feels like a nuclear option to me, lol.
Knull in a universe without avengers, fantasic four, mutants AND SPIDER MAN is just pure greed. They wanna make money so bad they bait us all with Knull. Absolutely despicable
It's actually very legal and arguable to not pay them if they signed it away as the character belongs to Marvel the company and not the creators. Contracts are normally made to prevent a situation like Spawn from occurring again.
Fun fact . Sony owns the live action rights to Spider-Man and all the characters that affiliate with him. This has been known for like 15 years. They don’t need to ask to use knull. If marvel disney wanted to then yes .
It’s not like this is an isolated event. When they were making the new TMNT films they completely ignored Kevin Eastman. They ignored George Lucas’s ideas for the new trilogy. The new Crow filmmakers probably were barely aware of James O Barrs existence
While Knull is on the level of Thanos in the MCU and probably should’ve been treated that way, I honestly couldn’t see this trilogy ending any other way. I figured they were doing King in Black since the first trailer because it just felt like the most logical way to end a Venom trilogy.
A reason I hate the business of these industries. They don’t consult. They move in Money, and we just gotta hope they don’t fck it up. Either way, the creators of the characters who show up in these movies better get their pay.
WHAT?!?! Starlin didn't get paid for the MCU Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos, etc.??? Fuggin Disney, man. Mickey's one of the biggest crooks on the planet. 🤬🤬
It’s just disgusting that Cates and Stegman created the character, made excellent stories introducing him and Sony didn’t think twice about trying to screw them out of any credit or compensation. As well as news outlets framing them like the bad guys for wanting to be paid for their work, I hate how much comic creators get looked down on despite being the backbone of superhero media
Honestly the first sony venom movie was so good. I think after the first movie they should've put tom hardy's venom into andrew garfield's Spider-Man universe.
It's ridiculous the people making these things are so allergic to studying the source material. And then have the nerve to question why people think these movies suck
It’s simply because Sony (who should have had ZERO business in the creation of any superhero film that involves the word “Marvel”) always manages to mostly screw it up.
Been saying it, using Knull as a one off villain in the Sonyverse is going to absolutely suck. It’ll be 8 minutes of screen time of a cgi monster they hype up to get bodied.
The creator also said that the script was awesome and "this is how you treat a king", so it shouldn't be that bad. Also it can't really adopt the king in black storyline since it's not a marvel project
Hot take, i dont think the creators "DESERVE" money for their characters being used in movies, unless they were made for the movie. They got paid for creating the character for the comics.
I was already on the fence about this movie coming out but now knowing that the creators aren’t even really involved they are most likely gonna fumble😂
Saw the movie early, can’t truly say it’s a really dumb movie but I had fun. Knull was in it a LITTLE longer than I thought he would, he’s also played by Andy Serkis (mocap & voiced) so hell yeah
Just a quick correction (I love your channel.): Starlin did NOT create The Guardians Of The Galaxy! He created one or two of the latter characters, but not the team.
To be honest, it looks like Knull will be as much of a villain in this movie as Thanos was in the first AVENGERS film. Was Thanos the main bad guy in it? Definitely. He used Loki as his proxy. But he only appeared at the end in a cut scene. And I bet Knull will do the same.
This is why the film staff should all read the dam comics they are adapting. It’s some basic and simple research. You wouldn’t adapt a book series to film without reading the books I would hope. The actors should definitely do some research on the characters they are playing to get an understanding of them.
Pay the creators of Knull, simple. Dude is one of the most powerful villains in the entire MCU universe. Destroys celestials for fun and ripped Sentry (Superman) in half. That’s just a couple of things. Dude has serious gravitas and it’s why ALOT of people went to the see the film
They didn’t even consult them and even if they did give them money they didn’t even ask them to work with them to help create knulls role and character cause I know Sony gonna fuck up
It sucks the most because you know they have plenty of money to pay these people.
But can't you think of the poor, poor corporate executives who would have to go without a $3000 suit (each) to pay for such a thing? /s
@@HolyDonutt These people don't own these characters, companies don't have to ask their permission and pay them.
@@ultimatespider-man5170they ought to
@@ultimatespider-man5170 no, just no.
@@ultimatespider-man5170 These companies owe their multi billion dollar franchises to the hard work of underpaid creatives. The only reason they have to sell them to Marvel is to pay their own bills in the veritable monopoly that Marvel/DC has on the industry. Paying people what they deserve isn’t hard, it’s inconvenient for a group of people who will never notice the missing money
This might be controversial, but I support paying people for their work.
How dare you!
Holywood: *gasp* who would make that filthy decision!!
Heresy I say HERESY!
Crazy
(Gasp) Paying people for their work ?!? _Oh the Humanity_ !!! Woah /s
Knull is gonna get the Gorr treatment
Sadly, you are right
Knull and venom are almost certainly going to be in Spider-Man 4 with Knull being the main Villain, Venom 3 will just set this up
@@alexxconn1469 Where did you hear this?
@@Radicalboyzinc_co-leader the cosmic circus reported this and I follow a lot of channels like the cosmic wonder and everything always and they have all been saying the same thing, this also coincides with Tom hollands secret shoot day which is most likely for a post credit scene for venom 3 but that last part is just me speculating, we will all know Sonys plan for knull and venom for sure when Venom 3 comes out next month, also Donny cates literally tweeted saying he’s read the venom script and said it was more crazy and awesome than anyone could imagine… that’s how you treat a king, he literally tweeted that so idk why this guy didn’t mention that
@@alexxconn1469 Yup even the creator that read the script said "Now, that's how you treat a King"
Its crazy to think that, when the fisrt Venom movie released, Knull wasn't even a year old and the run he was in was still in its first or second arc. Just goes to show how awesome of a villain he is when he's being brought to the screen so soon.
Either that, or the fact that he’s directly tied to Venom alone and would likely need less work done to adapt to a universe without all the other Marvel superheroes
or he's one of the few amazing new things to come out of recent marvel comics...
@@_Tzercan you please explain to me what's so interesting about Knull? I look at him and I see a t-pose model for bloodborne or something else fromsoft, but he's not even scary or well designed enough to even be that. I also found his appearances within the venom book to be rather lackluster and I didn't like that he became more of a silver surfer villain. Most of the shit he did happened outside of the book he was supposed to star in.
@@NoirRaven he's way better than a lot of the recent stuff they've been doing..
It speaks more to the dearth of ideas from Sony, that the second a Spider-Man story makes the comics, they'll try to adapt as soon as they have a chance.
Comic book creators are the most overlooked and abused by the current movie buzz. Stan got his credit but so many guys are overlooked. The movies would be so much better if you asked these folks for help.
Rob Liefield got his flowers in Deadpool movies.
They shouldn't have handed the keys over to Hollywood.
@@sawboss5794victim blaming huh? Nice. Not like most ever even got consulted ffs 🤦🏻♂️
Stan got credit for what he stole from Kirby and hundreds of other creators
Which is stupid because Stan is not the guy that deserve all this attention
Knull in Swedish means 'fuck'.
@@Jovisstfan so the first Celestials to see Knull and get destroyed by him said
“…fuck.” then died 😭😆
@@thephilosopherstreinthat is very fitting.
only the spelling not the pronunciation. if you say it like his name is pronunced it sounds more like Noll which in swedish means Zero. bara så du vet
Who gives a Knull
@@thephilosopherstrein so The Celestials are Swedish?
This takes me back to when Marvel took inspiration from David Aja for the posters for Hawkeye without him knowing.
And as he so eloquently put it, "Stop crediting, start paying."
Wait… KGBeast was in Batman v Superman? Jesus that movie is so terrible that I didn’t realize two very important comic characters that are important to Batman and Superman got shafted in the story.
Then you definitely don't read comics cause alot in the theater pointed him out 😂. Even more so in the warehouse where he's wearing his flamethrower
It would be cool if this movie was a stepping stone for a whole saga that would lead up to The King in Black
Dude!! I would die of pure and utter joy!
Appreciate you also putting out content on what’s going on with creators had no clue about Marvel’s KG Beast
Knull is in the level of thanos, hollywood can't bring him to the big screen with only venom movies, You have to have a similar build-up as the infinity stone stories.
Sony Is horrible ! A True parassite !
Tbf if there’s one Spider-Man character that works without Spider-Man. It’s venom.
The first venom movie was really good without Spider-Man. Idk how they fumbled that hard
@@josephnavarro2168 Not really.
@@ultimatespider-man5170 why not? You just gonna ignore the decades of venom stories that don’t have Spider-Man in them?
@@josephnavarro2168 No, but he started out as villains who merged with spider-man before becoming his own character and an anti-hero.
@@ultimatespider-man5170 sure that’s fair, but many characters start out as villains for other characters before doing their own thing. But that doesn’t mean Wolverine needs the hulk to work or Deadpool doesn’t need cable to work
No from what I was told Sony and the creators of the character were talking back and forth when the first trailer came out. He tweeted that Sony and him were talking when they were making script. I could be wrong but I thought he tweeted that out or it was rumored
Yes he did tweet and Donny literally said it was more crazy and badass than you can imagine, something along the lines of that, he did say exactly, that’s how you treat a king, so I’m quite hopeful and plus Venom is only setting up Knull to be the real main villain of Spider-Man 4 also co staring venom, the cosmic circus reported this
@@alexxconn1469money will make anyone say anything.
But Donny Cates Also Tweeted 24 Hours After This Tweet That He Is In Talks With Sony And Read The Venom 3 Script And He Liked How Sony Portrayed Knull
Wonder how much money they offered him. Because if the MCU can fuck up Gorr, Sony doesn’t stand a chance with Knull
"You like money, right? You like Knull, RIGHT??"
Money talks
Might want to take this short down considering what actually happened between Sony and the creators in reality.
Nah cause money talks. And that's what it looks like. They got offered quite a bit
Knull needs his own movie arch about how he was imprisoned snd created his world.
I thought Donny Cates saw Venom 3’s script? Didn’t he praise it?
Edit: yes he did, he said “I’ll say this; it is so much bigger, and so much more ambitious than you can imagine. And, um...KNULL. Holy shit. That's how you treat a king"
Have to buy the comic now. I did not know this information. He’s really the reason I got excited for the trailer.
All fans wanted knull to be in the third one
I did not know that comic creators get some of the money or needed to be contacted in regards to the character😮
Thats a surprise to me
Yeah, and most times they get more money from the movie than they actually got paid for making the character in the first place.
@@jordanloux3883
WILD
Could u give me a few examples and how u found this out?
Yea comic artists create the character just like how music artists create music and when their music is used on anything they get paid for it.
Sadly, this is what work for hire gets you. This is also why creators need to unionize, and collectively refuse to work until we move to a shared profit system for creators.
Didn’t they talk to sony and read the script?
Wasnt a whole tweet were he says “that’s how you treat a king”
Yes there was they did consult with him about how he felt on their plans with knull, idk why he completely left this out idk maybe he didn’t see that yet
Yet another example of Hollywood executives' utter contempt for the creatives who help make their movies possible.
I hope Sony doesn't f up knull
I don’t have much hope
Save it, they most definitely will
Knull and venom are almost certainly going to be in Spider-Man 4 with Knull being the main Villain, Venom 3 will just set this up, the cosmic circus reported this and numerous marvel scoop channels have backed this up as well, also Donny cates literally tweeted that he read the script and said that it is more awesome and crazier than anyone could imagine… that’s how you treat a king, he literally tweeted that so idk why this guy didn’t mention it
I'm terrified they aren't gonna do him justice
Have you seen literally any movies Sony has made(other than spider verse)
@Boatanga yes but what does that have to do w anything?I just really love the Knull character and I hope he's done well that's all
The venom trilogy is the good thing Sony has produced and I hope they don't "the third movie is always the worst." this.
Sure, Spiderman might not have fought Venom in the Venom movies, but it might still be possible for Venom to fight Spiderman in other Spiderman or marvel movies
Man, I love Knull, but they're gonna have to nerf him so damn much for the movie version of venom to stand a chance lol
Not surprised at this point
I mean if you remember Thanos creator, you would get it
Executives at all these places are evil. Pure evil
It's almost like the companies forget that they kinda have to... you know... pay people. Funny how often that happens.
Sony and Insomniac did something similar in Marvel's Spider-man 2. The game has very clear inspirations from the king in black story but names like cates were not mentioned in the credits.
sony showed the script for knull in the venom 3 movie to the creators of knull, and they loved it. so that gives me high hopes
Comic book movies have this constant issue of leaving the creators of the original characters and stories completely in the dust and without compensation, while the studios get to profit out of their work
I'm confused, because he also read the script for venom 3 and said it's good, so he read the venom 3 script but not getting paid or what
It’ll be strange seeing them adapt King in Black either way Venom and only Venom, since there were a lot of key players in that battle.
Update: they got to see the script and they are extremely happy with what they saw
I hope the creators get paid for the king in black because they deserve it for an awesome character.
Nujabes & Knull ?? Never thought i’d need it 😂😂
I will be beyond devastated if Knull ends up being made a joke like they did Gorr. Make him exactly like the comic and it will be beautiful
Same thing happened with the PS5 Spiderman 2 game.
no, the story will not resemble the king in black. There is a whole lot more to that story than just venom meeting knull
They should have been doing the same thing for all the references from the Donnie Cates run in Spider-Man 2 with literally no credit or mention whatsoever.
Nujabes played🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Imagine a character that took years of stories before being invented that also relied on other content from stories and just putting him in a movie basically out of nowhere. Personally I don't like Knull but it feels like a nuclear option to me, lol.
I heard people saying that the creator worked on the movie lol
They deserve royalties for their work nd creation of the characters they make
Knull in a universe without avengers, fantasic four, mutants AND SPIDER MAN is just pure greed. They wanna make money so bad they bait us all with Knull. Absolutely despicable
It's actually very legal and arguable to not pay them if they signed it away as the character belongs to Marvel the company and not the creators. Contracts are normally made to prevent a situation like Spawn from occurring again.
Sadly, I'm get the feeling the knull is gonna get the same treatment gorr got in love and thunder and is gonna be reduced to a boring ass villain.
I really hate that Disney/Sony and Columbia for ruining the best things in comics. It's so horrible. Fans need to be consultants...PERIOD!
Fun fact . Sony owns the live action rights to Spider-Man and all the characters that affiliate with him. This has been known for like 15 years. They don’t need to ask to use knull. If marvel disney wanted to then yes .
Dan has become exactly like the other RUclipsrs spreading information without knowing the full context and using it for content😒
Reminds me of the well known battles of Jack Kirby and also with Seigal and Shuster for the riches made off of superman
Teleplay is a new word for me.
if they seriously go an entire trilogy, even going as far as adding knull and not give venom his spider symbol, I'm gonna be at a loss for words.
Get this boy some pixels for the beginning
I’m happy Cates is getting paid. Always liked the guy.
To be fair when Knull comes into play Venom and Spidey are, on the low, pals.
At this point just take away the Spider-Man rights from Sony. They're throwing stuff to the wall to see what sticks
All we can do is hope
It’s not like this is an isolated event. When they were making the new TMNT films they completely ignored Kevin Eastman. They ignored George Lucas’s ideas for the new trilogy. The new Crow filmmakers probably were barely aware of James O Barrs existence
While Knull is on the level of Thanos in the MCU and probably should’ve been treated that way, I honestly couldn’t see this trilogy ending any other way. I figured they were doing King in Black since the first trailer because it just felt like the most logical way to end a Venom trilogy.
I was so mad when I found out Knull the Symbiote god was going to be in Venom 3... because I KNOW theyre about to fumble his characterization
If i got a nickel for every time the creators of Knull wouldn’t be properly credited and paid, I would have 2 nickels
Wait it’s been confirmed that Knull is the big bad of Venom 3? Dang. I was really hoping they wouldn’t do that.
To quote Geralt of Rivia as potrayed by actor Henry Cavill.
"Fuck"
A reason I hate the business of these industries. They don’t consult. They move in Money, and we just gotta hope they don’t fck it up. Either way, the creators of the characters who show up in these movies better get their pay.
WHAT?!?! Starlin didn't get paid for the MCU Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos, etc.??? Fuggin Disney, man. Mickey's one of the biggest crooks on the planet. 🤬🤬
Same thing for spider-man 2. They used a lot of stuff from king in black and didn't compensate
Yeah
There's a damned good reason that Image exists.
It’s just disgusting that Cates and Stegman created the character, made excellent stories introducing him and Sony didn’t think twice about trying to screw them out of any credit or compensation. As well as news outlets framing them like the bad guys for wanting to be paid for their work, I hate how much comic creators get looked down on despite being the backbone of superhero media
Stan Lee owned none of the rights to the characters he created or co created at Marvel.
Reminds you of when marvel bought the design for Venom for 50 bucks from the dude that conceptualized him lol
Honestly the first sony venom movie was so good. I think after the first movie they should've put tom hardy's venom into andrew garfield's Spider-Man universe.
Ah, yes, typical Sony behavior there
It's ridiculous the people making these things are so allergic to studying the source material.
And then have the nerve to question why people think these movies suck
It’s simply because Sony (who should have had ZERO business in the creation of any superhero film that involves the word “Marvel”) always manages to mostly screw it up.
Been saying it, using Knull as a one off villain in the Sonyverse is going to absolutely suck. It’ll be 8 minutes of screen time of a cgi monster they hype up to get bodied.
The legend of Stan Lee lives on 😂
Just gonna leave this here...
SONY
Thanks.
I haven't even seen one venom movie, and I refuse till spiderman is involved
The creator also said that the script was awesome and "this is how you treat a king", so it shouldn't be that bad. Also it can't really adopt the king in black storyline since it's not a marvel project
So basically Sony did what Marvel and Disney thought Fox was gonna do if they made any new X men characters
Hot take, i dont think the creators "DESERVE" money for their characters being used in movies, unless they were made for the movie. They got paid for creating the character for the comics.
It’s sadly going to suck!
After this and Donny Cates saying he's not paid shit for his collected editions in Venom genuinely piss me off.
I was already on the fence about this movie coming out but now knowing that the creators aren’t even really involved they are most likely gonna fumble😂
Saw the movie early, can’t truly say it’s a really dumb movie but I had fun. Knull was in it a LITTLE longer than I thought he would, he’s also played by Andy Serkis (mocap & voiced) so hell yeah
Venom doesn't need spider man.
Just a quick correction (I love your channel.): Starlin did NOT create The Guardians Of The Galaxy! He created one or two of the latter characters, but not the team.
Knull is being played by the same actor who played Daryl Dixon in the walking dead. He won't be fully CGI and he won't be a cameo
I'm just hoping Scream has a decent-sized appearance/role in the movie
To be honest, it looks like Knull will be as much of a villain in this movie as Thanos was in the first AVENGERS film. Was Thanos the main bad guy in it? Definitely. He used Loki as his proxy. But he only appeared at the end in a cut scene. And I bet Knull will do the same.
This is why the film staff should all read the dam comics they are adapting. It’s some basic and simple research. You wouldn’t adapt a book series to film without reading the books I would hope. The actors should definitely do some research on the characters they are playing to get an understanding of them.
The fact they didn’t know makes me kinda scared
Pay the creators of Knull, simple. Dude is one of the most powerful villains in the entire MCU universe. Destroys celestials for fun and ripped Sentry (Superman) in half. That’s just a couple of things. Dude has serious gravitas and it’s why ALOT of people went to the see the film
They didn’t even consult them and even if they did give them money they didn’t even ask them to work with them to help create knulls role and character cause I know Sony gonna fuck up
Calling it, the original creators are not gonna get paid.
I blame this on all the people that went to go see the venom movies thinking they were good