Don't think that was a radial socket circuit being 2.5 on a 30 amp fuse. More likely a ring and a single spur to the daytime element of the lounge heater, or maybe to a single socket. I'd probably put the whole lot onto a B20 in the new consumer unit and split the ring. If you feel particularly fancy put each former ring leg onto a B20 creating two radials that in total provide more power than the old 30 amp ring. The feed from the bathroom light probably went to a shaver socket by the sink or maybe a light above the mirror but from the length I'd guess the former.
Yes, you're right. If it was a radial circuit, should only be on a 16a mcb. It was a ring with an extra radial popped alongside. Was easy to find and remove. It'll just have a full ring now, as it's only a tiny flat. The bathroom feed to whatever it was, is now gone, and all the runs tidied up.
People tend to fit radials over rings these days, no worry of broken rings with them, though often you end up needing three circuits to replace one, kitchen appliances, kitchen sockets, rest of apartment.
We're old-school here, so it's a ring main for us. It is a really small flat with a very simple electrical installation. We are just moving a few cables around, nothing drastic.
May have missed something previously, but I don't see a suitable electrical test upon the circuits? You can trace cabling, but how do you know if it's electrically safe / compliant? The installation is obviously extremely old going by the supply / distribution board/s. Just the fact the facia off the board is so damaged sends alarm bells? Good luck with your project, but seriously consider a full rewire of the property Regards
No need for a re-wire. The flat was built in the late 80s, and all the wiring is in excellent condition. Once the new consumer unit is fitted, it will all be tested correctly, as, if it is to be let, it must hve a valid EICR anyway.
Those rewirble fuse are still compliant under BS7671 , and can still be installed,the 30amp with three connectors is a ring main and a spur to a single socket, just because those fuse boxes are old doesn’t mean that they are dangerous or need replacing, page 99 in the current edition of the onsite guide Health and safety executives note ( consumer units in dwellings) test to all circuits in accordance with BS7671 18th edition 2018 + amendment Two 2022 , if all tests are within tolerance set IET out in BS7671 then you can sign it off as safe for continued service. Was there any signs of burning/ overheating, was there any sign of exposed live parts, was the access to live parts. Is the answer is no then you are not required to replace or upgrade. So leave it alone. I’m guessing you are not a qualified electrician.?, so learn the regulations, building regulations or leave such work to us qualified professionals.
@@Dog-whisperer7494 I actually achieved my 18th Edition on January 6th, the year it came into force. It a requirement for my work. I'm not a domestic electrician; I deal with factory work on a daily basis, and have done since 1987, so I consider myself 'a competent person '. I'm not interested in learning every tiny nuance of domestic installations, too boring! That CU had a broken cover, so could you imagine any electrician passing that, especially where there is no RCD protection. It's always best to upgrade at this opportunity as it gives the landlord peace of mind. As It's a rental it needs to have an EICR, so it'll all be tested compliant . What's the point of trying to preserve a CU like that, just so you can argue a point?? And how does that dirty great hole in the plastic meet IP4x?
@@MyPropertyChannelso you have been an electrician since 2018 , about six years, what other qualifications have you got is it just the 18th edition. I’m not judging you I’m just asking out of interest. I did C&Gs 236 parts 1 and 2 four years at college 1987/1992 I have been a spark for over thirty years. So I have a few years on you and I know what I’m talking about.
It's good to see you getting some lights working, instead of fumbling around in the dark! Good progress on detecting what all those cables were. Can't wait to see the new SAFE consumer unit installed. Stay safe.
Don't think that was a radial socket circuit being 2.5 on a 30 amp fuse. More likely a ring and a single spur to the daytime element of the lounge heater, or maybe to a single socket. I'd probably put the whole lot onto a B20 in the new consumer unit and split the ring. If you feel particularly fancy put each former ring leg onto a B20 creating two radials that in total provide more power than the old 30 amp ring.
The feed from the bathroom light probably went to a shaver socket by the sink or maybe a light above the mirror but from the length I'd guess the former.
Yes, you're right. If it was a radial circuit, should only be on a 16a mcb.
It was a ring with an extra radial popped alongside. Was easy to find and remove. It'll just have a full ring now, as it's only a tiny flat. The bathroom feed to whatever it was, is now gone, and all the runs tidied up.
People tend to fit radials over rings these days, no worry of broken rings with them, though often you end up needing three circuits to replace one, kitchen appliances, kitchen sockets, rest of apartment.
We're old-school here, so it's a ring main for us. It is a really small flat with a very simple electrical installation. We are just moving a few cables around, nothing drastic.
You looked in your element doing this Martin LOL...Happy new year to you and your wife All the best for 2024
Thank you! Yes, was nice to do something that didn't involve plasterboard, although we'll be back to that next episode.
May have missed something previously, but I don't see a suitable electrical test upon the circuits? You can trace cabling, but how do you know if it's electrically safe / compliant?
The installation is obviously extremely old going by the supply / distribution board/s. Just the fact the facia off the board is so damaged sends alarm bells?
Good luck with your project, but seriously consider a full rewire of the property
Regards
No need for a re-wire. The flat was built in the late 80s, and all the wiring is in excellent condition.
Once the new consumer unit is fitted, it will all be tested correctly, as, if it is to be let, it must hve a valid EICR anyway.
Those rewirble fuse are still compliant under BS7671 , and can still be installed,the 30amp with three connectors is a ring main and a spur to a single socket, just because those fuse boxes are old doesn’t mean that they are dangerous or need replacing, page 99 in the current edition of the onsite guide Health and safety executives note ( consumer units in dwellings) test to all circuits in accordance with BS7671 18th edition 2018 + amendment Two 2022 , if all tests are within tolerance set IET out in BS7671 then you can sign it off as safe for continued service. Was there any signs of burning/ overheating, was there any sign of exposed live parts, was the access to live parts. Is the answer is no then you are not required to replace or upgrade. So leave it alone. I’m guessing you are not a qualified electrician.?, so learn the regulations, building regulations or leave such work to us qualified professionals.
@@Dog-whisperer7494 I actually achieved my 18th Edition on January 6th, the year it came into force. It a requirement for my work. I'm not a domestic electrician; I deal with factory work on a daily basis, and have done since 1987, so I consider myself 'a competent person '.
I'm not interested in learning every tiny nuance of domestic installations, too boring!
That CU had a broken cover, so could you imagine any electrician passing that, especially where there is no RCD protection.
It's always best to upgrade at this opportunity as it gives the landlord peace of mind. As It's a rental it needs to have an EICR, so it'll all be tested compliant . What's the point of trying to preserve a CU like that, just so you can argue a point?? And how does that dirty great hole in the plastic meet IP4x?
The wiring is not that old as the Earth wire has the green with yellow stripe on it.
@@MyPropertyChannelso you have been an electrician since 2018 , about six years, what other qualifications have you got is it just the 18th edition. I’m not judging you I’m just asking out of interest.
I did C&Gs 236 parts 1 and 2 four years at college 1987/1992 I have been a spark for over thirty years. So I have a few years on you and I know what I’m talking about.
Is that all nicotine stains on it?
No, the previous ower definitely wasn't a smoker because the ceilings are still white, but the place was filthy, filthy dirty
It's good to see you getting some lights working, instead of fumbling around in the dark!
Good progress on detecting what all those cables were. Can't wait to see the new SAFE consumer unit installed. Stay safe.
I have finally stopped tripping over those channels in the bedroom floor!