Perez's mega defense in 2021 Abu Dhabi (helped Max win the title): ruclips.net/video/xTNtTKUqynQ/видео.html So even if Perez really did crash purposely, I personally think he still should get that little help from Max in Brazil 2022. The teamwork he did for Max in 2021 Ahu Dhabi is too big.
Disagree. Once you intentionally screw your teammate over, you've now changed the game we're playing from helping each other out when my stakes are low, to disadvantaging the other guy, on purpose, for your own gain. All max is doing is saying, ok you started this petty shit not me, two can play at that game.
@@kronzomg Checo only screwing Max once in Monaco, compared to how many times Max screwed Kimi,Seb and especially His teammate Daniel in 2016-2018 it's nothing but Childish Mindset from Max
Leaving the whole controversy aside for a while, I just want to say this is a great channel. Sometimes we get so immersed in the sport that we tend to forget the objectivity that telemetry brings to light.
@@Cynycter I know, that's what I meant. I wasn't speaking about intent, who knows why happened what happened in Monaco. It's just neat to know from an objective point what happened.
@@r00ks Well if that’s the case and Perez only blipped ~1/3 of the throttle or so, then he’s innocent and unlucky. It did sound way more than a third though
What makes it still unrealistic to me is that Perez was just at P3, but had the pace to challenge for the pole at that weekend. From P3, you usually don't win at Monaco. It only worked out because Ferrari did Ferrari things again on Sunday, but Perez couldn't have known that on sunday. So why would he take such a risk (also to destroy his gearbox or anything else as Leclerc did the year before) just for a P3 starting position?
@@joaoandrade2828 In the race they might have switched as well. Being P3 ahead of P4 is a 3 point difference, while being P1 to P2 for example would be 7 points. It just makes no sense to me to do something risky like that for a P3 start.
@@Daresco but he didn't believe he could get P1 as he was down on his previous lap. Afraid of being outqualified by Max, he slammed the throttle pedal and didn't even correct it (deliberation). More than enough reasons.
Checo should leave that backstabbin fraud of a team and fanbase. A lot of fans claim it now but its absurd. Not only that. If it was true then both the FIA and RBR are now eligble for fraud. The FIA checks the qualification and the race after every event. You want to tell me that some Reddit amateurs could find a case of cheating but the FIA didn't? and if Checo told RBR that he did something (deliberate crash) which comprised the race of others, that could've resulted in a lifetime ban, it would mean that RBR held back information. They only complain now because it affected Max's legacy, meaning they were okay with cheating. Now the season actually makes sense. Perez went from Legend for RBR fans to how can we collectively catch him cheating. Somehow some amateurs on Reddit could find Perez cheating but the FIA couldn't make a proper case to punish Checo. They should check the Dutch GP as well.
@Javier Gonzalez the signing was much earlier than the gp but they announced it after monaco gp.. u can find the vids about checo talked about his extension
@@glorious_help They weren't able to reverse that, in light of Checho's revelations, plus asked Verstappen to do something despite his putting it all on the table beforehand, what his position was. To make matters worse, Horner (who Checho 'confessed' to), apologises to Checho in public, despite knowing what was happening! Never bring commonsense to an idiot's ballgame. The giveaway to Verstappen's lie is the 'are we clear about that?' Line. Implying that something had been discussed earlier. No. Verstappen was pissed at having been passed by Hamilton, despite doing his utmost to engineer 'a racing incident'.. His last outburst of this nature was in the season's opener when he said over the radio "never again ask me..." On that occasion nobody suggested Checho's spin and engine failure was engineered to take Hamilton out. We'd have been consigned to loony land, which is precisely where Verstappen goes when things don't go his way.
One thing you've missed to point out, is that in the Q3-B run hes about 10kph slower at the apex, it may have been his intention to apex slower but go on throttle earlier and more aggressively to carry that advantage down the tunnel.
No, imposible. If you want to exit of a corner with better traction - acceleration, you need to do a late apex and that in Mónaco its impossible because you only have one correct line. And if you exit with more traction you apply maybe 5-10% more of throthle, you don't go with 100% at the begining. Deja de decir chingaderas wuevon.
if you look in the video he has a massive amount of steering on and you never ever go full throttle with that much steering you will 100 % of the time spin. no professional or amateur racing drive would make such a mistake. plus he gives full throttle before he hits the apex and that is also something a professional driver would never do.
Yeap with f1 cars, you never can full throttle with steering that much, actually you can only throttle full when at high speed, not even when you are straight. They know that
2:16-2:18 Watch it frame by frame and you'd see that he was going almost 10kmph slower. At 2:18 you can see that on his normal lap he was at the corner already. In his crashed lap, just before he blipped, he was not at the apex yet. He braked a bit more. I just think he blipped to compensate for that mistake. He would have wanted to improve on his lap surely and he would have sensed that the car was slowing down faster than he expected. Also, right after the blip, you can see that he is braking hard, he realises that he has made a mistake. .. I find no reason for him to do this. That too so far ahead in the season. I hope people think twice before character assassinations.
You know he cheated on his wife after the gp right? Everything about checo that weekend was shady. As to why he would do this? Slow speed, low damages. To keep his position over max, And because he was in the fight for the championship at the time. Monaco is a hardplace to overtake, it would make sense checo would want to ensure he gets pole to get the edge over max.
F1 drivers are highly trained individuals who dont make rookie mistakes like that. And letme tell you, if you ever get the chance to play a simulator. Youll quickly find that full throttle, even going ina straight line will make you spin if youre not going fast, or really careful. Checo hits full throttle beforehes even turned in the corner. Its plain to see.
Regardless of his reasons. It’s not normal for him to do this. (I’m not a verstappen fan at all btw) This is genuinely weird, he knows getting on the throttle like this is not going to help in anyway. If this telemetry is correct, Perez without question caused the crash on purpose, or he was just a complete idiot. Not saying that he did this to get to max or anything like that. But it’s either he did it on purpose, or he made an error so amateur that a drunk mazepin wouldn’t have made
Yeah that is very odd. Definitely think it's important to move past issues though and look at the full picture. Overall Checo's support for max has far exceeded any hindrance. Max ought to honor that.
Yeah that blip was suspicious but what confirms it for me is that he doesnt react or anticipate the countersteer like a professional would in that situation.
@@akalithemoney2546 Yeah anyone who has ever driven car fast knows that the countersteer comes from intuition and as a reflex faster than your brain can even realise that now i should countersteer. So in that sense it seems he really gave up and consciously made the decicion not to correct.
So he intentionally crashed to ... lockout the front row for Ferrari?? Seems entirely illogical, especially since he had been helping Verstappen last season and this season too. Also, Verstappen said last summer which to me suggests the summer of 2021 so I really am not sure why people are focusing on Monaco so much.
The one thing people keep forgetting is that Alonso also crashed at almost exactly the same time. Session would have been redflagged whether Perez crashed (intentionally or not) either way, making the whole grudge even pettier if Monaco is the reason.
@@Lonzz_14 No, what counts is the fact that it changed nothing and takes nothing away from the insurmountable help that Checo gave Max last year and even this year. Its an incredibly petty move filled with arrogance.
@@ruben_m8907 This is incomparable to murder at all, it takes a lot more proof than something like this, and if I use dumb logic too, normally people get rewarded for being as good as Checo was to Max, particularly when it counts. But yeah go off.
You have seen him spinning in the Dutch GP qualy and other times under pressure, he's sometimes prone to mistakes that surprise you because you don't expect it from him due to experience
@@tanguyarzamian1852 to be fair that section is downhill..so even with opposite lock it would been very hard to prevent hitting the wall with the momentum he got from the throttle blip
@@ArielGonzalez1 Being ahead of your teammate in Monaco is quite big, especially considering the contract situation. But I think it is stupid to always say he didn't have a motive, when all signs point toward Perez doing it on purpose.
Let's assume that Chećo deliberately Crashed and told it to Horner and Marko. If he had done the above, he would have been fired/penalised by RB for doing so as it was just for P3.
Think carefully about it. If RB punished Checo then they would be admitting it happened. That's why stuff like this is discussed behind closed doors. When Max said he gave his reasons on the radio chat, he seemed to be referring to something very clearly. Not a Max fan obviously. But something is fishy here.
They keep it in house this is what will always happen. Look at the draymond green (nba) situation for reference. Guy nearly killed somebody at practice and wasn't even suspended until the video leaked out later.
i’ve seen drivers go full brake and almost full throttle before to try and prevent spins but it’s insane he would do it at that specific moment in the corner
If you watch the video when it is side by side, you can see Sergio was 10 kmh slower than his fast lap. As he was going slower, he may have thought he could accelerate earlier to make up for the speed loss. Even the pros have brain fades at times.
@@piotrkraska8843 No. Even if your car is straight, you don‘t slam the throttle. Watch his lap where he didn’t crash and how smoothly he accelerated. It was intentionally. There was no „making time up by accelerating full throttle“
There is normally a lot of “look how Max has matured” comments earlier this year but regardless of the reasons, Brazil showed he still needs to chill out a bit and be more reasoned. He’s already world champion FFS.
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I just can't believe this is the real and only reason. If it is, then he was simply stupid in Brazil. And I'm very disappointed in him. But what if something else happened behind the scenes? Max and RB already won the titles. This was so unnecessary.
Well, Hamilton is still crying after so many years, so I think all drives have a lot of time to Mature. He hit me, my tires are good, don't pit me, the car is trash, Verstappen went off in turn xx :D all the time. He is a great driver but his moaning is so annoying :D
@@wicklash9065 Jeapardy? Save the jokes. Max will be at RedBull until the day he dies or decides to leave. Its practically Maxbull racing. Max's career wasn't in jeopardy LOL.
In other disciplines of motorsports, they delete your best qualy time, that way, you can't use yellow/red flag to "mantain" position, because you are going to lose it. Works like wonder I would say.
No that would be unfair if it was actually an accident. In quali especially when your goal is to get the absolute best out of the car things can happen.
@@GamerPro-ts6fs Well, as long as it is the same for everyone, it would be fair. I understand the point of "what if I was just trying to improve?" well, then, don't crash. If you make an error, is just logical to have a "punishment" in comparison to the ones that didn't make such error. The important thing is, this will end with any "did he crash on purpose?" bullshit that arose whenever a Q3 contender crashes.
The sound of the engine roaring wasn't the deciding factor for me. With wheelspin, the rpm automatically increases. I find the steering wheel movements strange. There is no countersteering to be seen at all. However, I can't explain this behavior. He was in P3. Risking the gearbox for this is illogical. But if it was intentional, it will have serious consequences. That's why Sainz had an accident.
The only thing that makes sense is that he only wanted to stay ahead of Max. This year was probably his best chance at a championship and after being ordered to unfairly let Max past the race before in Spain this was a way for him to keep up with Max. Imo it makes no sense but it does seem a little suspicious.
In fact if you do a wheelspin with the car you need to be accelerating as well, and you can see in the video he is losing the car before the apex, before the accelerating zone. Because in that part where he loses the car, in the first Q3 run, you can see he is brakeing until he pass the apex of the corner.
Great analysis. If you can see, there's a speed difference in the corner entry of almost 10km/h between the attempts. In my opinion at the second attempt, he tried to pull up in the T8 exit but he stepped on the gas more than usual by the pressure to compensate the wrong entry. It wasn't, at least for me, enough to be an intentional spin.
I was about to post about this as well 2:16 shows that difference and the approach angle as well.... It's as if he was trying to get on the throttle a bit early and use the extra room out of the apex.... A driver trying something different... And it just didnt pay off.
That was my initial thought too. But you don't correct that by slamming the gas pedal at full throttle. That's just 100% chance of spinning, and a pro driver knows it better than me. There are extremely rare situations where you might need to do that, and force wheelspin to correct a trajectory, but first: you do it right on or slighly after the apex, not before. That is not a move to correct an early or slow entry. Second, if you want to powerslide you need to apply a LOT of countersteer. Again, a pro driver perfectly knows this, and Checo doesn't even try to save it.
The only thing that makes me really think this was done on purpose is his wheel angle before he slams the gas. Its almost full lock compared to the previous t8.
He could have induced a little bit of rear slip to try to get the rear to move slightly out of the corner, shortening the exit to be able to accelerate earlier (still achieving the faster speed in the tunnel hopefully). This is a relatively simple trick to pull on go-kars, dunno about proper open wheel 1000hp racecars tho.
The telemetry data looks very suspicious indeed because he didn't just have a little bit too much throttle, he literally goes full throttle in the middle of the corner, so it's either an intentional crash, or it was just a weird cramp or something like that.
It's also possible that it's an engine mapping glitch or something of the sorts. We simply dont have enough data to be 100% sure it was an intentional crash
He 100% spun the car on purpose. The way he stabbed the throttle a good bit before the apex while still on the brakes to keep the rear light, and low enough speed to keep the damage to the car at a minimum. It’s undeniable when you watch the side by side comparison of the clean lap vs crash lap..
He helped him in only one GP. He's number 2 because he's much slower than Max. If RB hadn't been so much faster than midfield teams in 2021 and 2022, Perez would have looked as bad as Albon and Gasly.
@@dead_locked You're a delusional Max fan if you think Checo only helped him once. Let's list all the times he helped Verstappen and obeyed RB's team-orders: 2021 Monaco - Undercut and passed Max's championship rival 2021 Baku - At the last restart he stayed calm and kind of forced Hamilton into a mistake 2021 Russia - Was ahead of Max on track but stayed out so RB could pit Max earlier onto intermediate tyres 2021 Brazil - Took away the fastest lap point from Hamilton 2021 Abu Dhabi - You dont need explanation 2022 Spain - Basically gave up fighting for the win against Max 2022 Baku - Was told to not fight Max and let him through 2022 Japan - Hunted down Leclerc and forced him into a mistake at the final lap which gave Max the title. If this is not enough proof to you how much Pérez has helped his selfish little bitch teammate then idk what it is...
2:03 he goes full lock on the wheel, and full throttle. comparing his wheel position and throttle input to the first run and there is but 1 conclusion. 100% intentional.
Even I was initially skeptical about this. But the lack of counter steer especially in a driver of his caliber was damning. You're right in your inference. The moment he sniffed the championship he showed who he truly is. May have helped max but sabotage is worse.🎉
What feels weird to me is that if he wanted to crash on purpose he could've done so at the swimming pool for example by taking the corner too tight and hitting the wall (common mistake on this track a lot of crashes happened there). I feel like that could've been less suspicious, instead of smashing the throttle without even trying to catch the oversteer
if someone deliberately crashes himself as a profitable tactic, he will definitely consider all possible consequences that would lead to the bad thing, such as avoiding the potential for severe damage that could affect tomorrow's race. Of course what you say will have great potential, so imo it's impossible for Perez to choose that
You can also show analysis of the other drivers probably not slamming the pedal to the metal. Actually. Damn. I like this investigation! Going to check others now :>
He tried to get a better exit into the tunnel. That was Q3, they try harder to get that extra tenth. When the car loses traction the engine revs up, it is completely normal. He made a mistake, end of story.
@@ZeqHDx We will never know. In my view, he already new the car was gone. One you have wheel spin+on the edge of grip, in such a tight turn the car slides like butter. But I understand and you have a point.👍🏻
@@jonathanwood8847 he seemed turning the wheels on the opposite side when he slide. Not sure though if that's the way to do it when sliding or not. I'm not an expert driver in F1 sim...
@@arvingonzales1278 correcting a slide is instinctive. Even when karting, you feel the start of a spin and you turn the wheel the other way. He doesn't even start doing this until he's facing the barrier. You don't need to be an expert to understand this
Este análisis estaría muy bien para Russell en la Q3 de Brasil, dónde se despistó y podía seguir pero decidió regresar a atascarse en la arena y arruinó la Q3 de sus principales competidores, por cierto el auto en arena no sufrió casi ningún daño...
@@tyrone6892 Pero claro, si tienes la oportunidad de salir P2 detrás de un Haas o salir a mitad de parrilla y pelear toda la carrera por el podio, mmhm, no se necesitan más de dos neuronas para decidir cuál es mejor no crees?
Merc had the pace to qualify in pole. It was a hard track condition with that weather. This Checo clip showed he intentionally reved up while turning to spin his car. He also did not do corrections during the spin which all drivers do when they spun.
Not only the throttle application is very suspicious, but also the lack of countersteering, which is an instinctive, immediate response of any racing driver when losing the rear of the car.
That's my thought. His minimum speed throught the section overall was lower than his previous lap, and it looked like he had noticed he was down to the delta of the previous lap, and tried to just blip for minimum speed through the corner, got caught out and spun. As others have mentioned, logically, it doesn't make sense for him to crash on purpose, there are no pros, and far too many cons to risk it.
@@ABVW92 No. He was hard on the brakes when he floored it. There was no input from the brakes or throttle during his fast lap. If he was going slower, he wouldn't brake hard where he didn't brake at all when he was faster, then stomp on the throttle, if he was trying to spin the car, that's what he'd do, stab the brakes and the throttle at the same time. This was deliberate.
@@mikemelina7395 doesn't look it to me... Maybe a lapse in concentration, idk... But it doesn't come off as deliberate at all, it's not like it doesn't make enough sense, it straight up doesn't make any sense at all. You have your thoughts, I have mine.
@@ABVW92 freeze the video before the corner and go trough it slowly using "." (or "," to go slowly backwards) and see that he slammed the brakes before the corner together with full throttle.
Also he clearly uses a lot more lock into the right hand turn than the previous lap, and than a dab on the throttle is all an F1 car needs to spin around on a dime. They only have insane grip due to aero, but at such low speeds it is all mechanical grip that is easily overcome by these very powerful engines,
@@LogiForce86 yes I agree. The only situation in which an F1 driver would slam the throttle like that at such low speed would be in case he went off road and he wants to cause a spin for the purpose to get back on track.
@Samuele Spalletti Here is another thing. On the first shown attempt he hits that inside curbstone fully, which causes a clear imbalance in the car. The apex is obviously there where the curbstone is, but on that second attempt he doesn't even hit the curbstone with his front right tyre but spins before he gets there. There is no professional driver who applies gas before the apex, and thus not before he has unwound lock on his wheel unless he is a professional drifter.
Now can you do Alonso purposely crashing into the wall to bring RedFlag (cover by Perez RedFlag) and not lose his position on the grid because Ocon was faster than Him that day ?
With some driving experience on the track, that is not normal. If I would plan to crash, that's the way I would do it. Slam the gas middle of the slow corner, knowing the damage would be minimal due the lack of speed. He did not even try to corrent oversteering, or break. He just lets the car roll. He absolutely knew what he was doing. 100% clear.
No, you would do it this way when you plan to crash and plan to get caught for it. Then you do it like that. I think we can assume Perez is aware of the amount of sensors in his car. I doubt this was some sort of plan cause it's too stupid to be a plan.
@@benfrese3573 tbh it didn’t surfaced until Brazil, unlike Schumacher and rosberg’s Monaco incident that are immediately discussed. If not for Brazil, this probably would be hidden forever. So it’s pretty smart after all.
another thing is that all drivers instinctually flick the steering wheel in the opposite direction as soon as the car starts sliding (in other videos of perez spinning he does that too) but in this case he held the wheel pretty much straight without much input
Maybe his reasons are way simpler than that, like telling the team that he wouldn’t need them to give him a position, but he wouldn’t attend to position requests as well. And maybe it was agreed after he secured the championship.
Yelistener playing both sides to come out on top no matter what First he released the video of Checo helping Max when it looked like public opinion was against Max and just as the wind changes, he releases this video...
Very interesting to see that. I was expecting to see the power being applied a little bit earlier than his first Q3 lap. But as you describe and we see. He hasn’t actually hit the apex when the throttle was applied. But I guess it will always be a mystery just like Nico Rosberg out braking himself to hinder Lewis’s lap. 10M later on the brakes seemed too much to me plus with all that fake correcting when the car wasn’t ever sliding. Some look more convincing then others.
@@pollenzx True, but they didn’t compete this weekend. He was given the position by Perez and decided to not give it back when his team told him to. I don’t like team order but if he wants Perez to follow the team order, Verstappen should do it too.
Not throwing any shade, but as an observation to add: He doesn't even try to save the car with any counter steer, he just lets it slide in the barrier....
2:03 look at how much speed he's carrying into the corner in both instances, so maybe just to compensate for that he goes in early on the throttle and loses it, it's all just speculation on purpose or not but to me it looks like a genuine mistake. Thank you very much for the video though mate🙏🏾
@@amanlemos17 You don't need to have experience driving an actual F1 car to understand that a 1000HP RWD vehicle with no traction control will immediately spin out if you just slam full throttle in the middle of a slow corner. A lot less powerful RWD car will do that without traction control. You can watch how patiently and carefully he applies throttle on exit on his first run (same as all the other 19 drivers - watch Leclerc pole lap). If that throttle slam was a genuine mistake then it is one of the most rookie mistakes I have ever seen in F1. The fact that there is no instinctive attempt to correct the spin by such an experienced F1 driver is just an icing on the cake here.
Much people forgot the term "second driver" and really believe equal status driver within a team is still a thing after 2016 season (Spain 2016 as a matter of fact)
Anybody can make mistakes , no human is immune from this . If it happens , it happens , keep on moving . Do not forget the person that has helped you . If you are out to look for other peoples mistakes , you are sure to find it no matter how small it is , this is nothing new but be very careful ! What you may find might be just be what you also did too ! Kinda like an egg thrown on the face , it might just land on you yourself !
There is no need to insult one another here . The 2 drivers are the ones involved , not me . All of us here are just speculating , we may never know the truth .
He never even tried to save it. Basically, he pulled a "you-ie", where you flick the rear end around. Entirely intentional. His hand inputs are different. His throttle is very different.
Whatever the rumour is, verstappen should have let pass Perez,given he has already won the 2022 championship, and not to forget Perez 's very dedicated role as his wingman in 2021 championship.😿
I don't think you get it. Just imagine you have a person in your life who always helped you and you were good buddies. Until he decides to suddenly betray you and try to hinder you intentionally. You wouldn't think a second of the things he did for you, because your friend was wanting to betray you. I'm just clarifying how Max probably sees it.
Can't there be a possibility that he wanted to get early on the power as it was his last lap, but as soon as he saw the rear slide, he came off the Throttle. I think it would be pretty unreasonable to purposely crash, specially when you're not even P1, you're P3. Plus there is a cost cap too for the teams now, so he would be thinking about that too. I may be wrong but this is just my opinion :)
No mate no F1 driver does that with the throttle in that kind of conditions and that type of corner. He doesn't even try to countersteer which is the normal thing to do.
I’m not buying it that he did it purposely. Perfectly reasonable for an f1 driver to make mistakes at Monaco. Max himself crashed at the swimming pool chicane a few years ago. Also, Perez was p3 not p1. Doesn’t make sense for him to crash purposely whilst he was in p3. Roseberg purposely went off in sector one few years ago when he was in p1 and Lewis was behind him
max and his crew believe it tho and they know a lot more than we do. Unfortunate that this is now an issue, rbr should have fixed this / averted what happened in brazil. But we are dealing with something you can't prove and something that is also dirty and would require censure from within the team and probably other authorities if it could be proven; so Perez will ever admit to it being deliberate.
If you notice at 1:01 he had a small lock up in the Hairpin which means the tires would have been a bit unsettled through the next few corners especially Portier. I don't think he crashed on purpose.
@@hotshtsr20 right I watched his whole lap leading up to those corners. He was pushing harder than he should have up to the run in the hairpin. I think he had used his tires up and wasn't much grip left in them. He did that small lock up and never recovered the car fully.
Good point. The telemetry here doesn't lie, on the previous lap the graphic shows no input from either pedal, in the crash, it shows he was on the brakes hard and floored it. That's how you induce a spin.
If you put even slower the lap when Checo spun and analyze the view of the track from the camera, I think Checo already lost the rear before really throttling, product of an reflex act.
Because he slammed on the brakes. He was going slower than the previous lap and slammed on the brakes and throttle at the same time. That's how you start a donut.
Ok so here’s my take on it. (I’m not supporting Max or Checo or Hamilton or Leclerc or whoever you think so that you know I am not biased or whatever). In the crash lap, Checo goes into the corner with a speed 76. In the normal lap he is entering with a speed of 86. What is the difference? He pressed the brakes too hard after accelerating too much on the small straight leading to turn 8. If you watch the steering wheel, on the crash lap the steering wheel is turned more to the right than the normal lap. Reasons for this? When going into a corner, the more speed you have the easier it is to turn the wheels. So, in the crash lap it is natural that he turned the steering wheel more, knowing that it would take more “turning” to make the wheels face the direction that he wants to so that he can get a clear exit. Nothing abnormal here. However, when he goes into the corner there is a slide prior to the full acceleration (watch very closely). Is this because he accelerated too suddenly? I do not have the technical knowledge to answer that. What we do know is that the throttle was almost at 100% prior to the spin. Why can this be? If he accelerated too hard into the corner, then there are high chances that he is gonna hit the right wall with the angle that his steering wheel is turned to. Right before throttle to 100%, he turns his steering wheel to the left, knowing that otherwise he would crash. To get out of the situation and quickly turn left you need to press the pedal hard. Now I know how delicate these drivers are and do not usually make mistakes. How you interpret is upon you. But know that Latifi crashed in the formation lap. (Just funny so I put it there). Whether you think Max deserves to act that way or not is up to you. This is my analysis on the situation
Perhaps deleting a drivers time if they cause a red flag would 'fix' these situations. Brazil is the most recent example, with Russell causing a red, preventing the other drivers from a chance and then winning. Deleting their time would be an excellent solution. And fair.. Everyone hets a chance whether you F-up or not. No advantage for crashing..
Wasn't there already talk of this earlier this season? Also something about deleting all lap times set under double waved yellows that was never done in practice
2:17 not only that (2:17 is not the exact moment so play it little bit further). I may not be the only one but it seemed to me that checo steered more when entering the corner than on his previous lap... but I dunno for sure + he just seemed to be very early on the throttle
I’d also add that if you were going to deliberately bring out a red flag by crashing you probably wouldn’t do it there, a blind turn with cars following closely behind (risking big damage) and you wouldn’t back it into the barrier’s potentially damaging the gearbox for which you’d take a penalty. You’d do a Schumacher and have a very slow speed bump, maybe just knock off your front wing to make it look genuine.
It’s the smartest one. Firstly the corner is slow, so the car won’t get much damage, secondly if you pull a Rosberg/Schumacher it would be too obvious cause everyone knew about that trick already.
@@csiny88 There is no penalty for simply changing gearbox, you only get penalized if you go over the allocated amount. Perez did change gearbox in Monaco and no penalty came from it.
Just checking, you are all aware that the onboard telemetry isn’t properly synced to the cars, aren’t you? A major annoyance with the broadcasting at the moment is that when the World Feed switches from a trackside camera looking at a driver to the onboard camera of that driver, the onboard images are delayed? The eagle-eyed amongst you will notice that when the director changes from showing trackside camera looking at a car, or 2 cars battling, to going onboard with 1 of those drivers, you appear to jump back in time slightly as the onboards have a delay in them, whilst annoyingly, the telemetry they display either on the Halo, or just on screen, isn’t delayed, so the telemetry data doesn’t match either the sounds of each downshift, or the pictures showing the rev lights on the steering wheel & the display of what gear the car is in on the wheel. The telemetry data is ahead of what we are hearing & seeing on the steering wheel, showing the driver accelerating before they actually are accelerating, and the gear display graphics are wrong compared to what the car is actually doing. A few years ago, while Riccardo was with Renault, he touched another driver at turn 4, just as we see the contact from the trackside camera, and a piece of carbon fibre begin to flick up, the director cut to being onboard Ricciardo, which due to the delay in onboard pictures) showed the contact begin again. Having made those points, I’m not saying that the telemetry display explains away Perez’s qualifying crash, however, you must bear in mind that it isn’t properly level with the actions of the car. Neither here with @yelistener’s improvised graphics, or the official FOM telemetry graphics.
from my personal observations i personally think this is what happened in the first lap perez' apex speed was 86 kmh on his second lap, perez slowed down to 77 kmh even before hitting the apex, at which point he blipped the throttle my assumption is he either felt some understeer and wanted to shift the balance of the car slightly, to turn it in better. or that he wanted to get some more speed in as the next part of a track is a pretty high speed section and since every millisecond can mean the difference between pole and not pole, i think he was trying to push and did too much as for my reason why he didnt fully countersteer, my assumption is that he either decided to keep his steering straight hoping his back tyres could catch grip before hitting the barrier, or that he didnt anticipate the amount of spin he'd get and by the time he's in the wall it was too late (yes f1 drivers have insane reflexes but monaco is well known for its unforgiving nature) in all while it does look really weird, i highly doubt perez would risk his seat over a p3 start, considering max was well into the championship fight at this point looking back did this give perez the opportunity to win? yes but without ferrari's awful strategy decisions he wouldnt even have been close to trying for a win, and i dont think perez can predict that ferrari will have the strategy they had in the end i dont think this is deliberate, but a stupid mistake (this isnt the first time a red bull driver made a mistake on a quali lap after all) and even if deliberate, max decided to let perez help him the rest of the year and the moment his championship is solidified then he suddenly decides to go back to a thing that happened almost 6 months ago? i find that very strange especially if you outweigh this time to all the times perez did massively help max overall, unless max/red bull come out with an official statement as to the reasoning and we get definetive proof of what happened, i dont believe this was the reason why
Great couple of this videos about the controversy! It is absurd for Checo to trigger a red flag on purpose to lock a P3 position. On his Q3 2nd flying lap he is going for it, you can see him locking up at 1:01, 2 turns before the crash
Max never requested something from PER. The team did................ so PER listened to the team, not to Max.......... "no fighting" messages, when on different straegies, being way slower, is normal for a team...... Why hold the faster guy up?
People act like Max demands help from Checo. The whole request is done by team. Max aint like Lewis to publicly beg Valtteri to help him for the title like he did last year.
I think he did not crash on purpose but only wanted to gain a higher exiting speed at T8. Perez throttled at T8 when he saw the apex. Ideally, that would result in an increasing speed in a straight line towards the apex and it would be easier to build up higher exiting speed at the T8 exit. But unfortunately that was not the result as he turned too early and lost control of the car.
Also, would he foolish to give your closest rivals at the time (Ferrari) a head start by giving them a front lockout. I’ve seen several similar footages over the years that have resulted in a crash, especially at Monaco. People need to realise Palmer himself isn’t a a scientific expert and is no bigger than the FIA. Also, he is the driver who didn’t give up a position and give the position back to Alonso. Whether or not it was purpose, that still gives Max no reason whatsoever to behave the way he did. Max showed who he really is like endless times and it showed he holds grudges against people in general, which is childish and he needs to grow up. He along with his biased fans forget how many times Perez has moved aside for him, as well as helping him win what was a gifted title caused by human error and think how many points Red Bull gained by having illegal parts to the car last year and their cheating gave them a huge advantage over their rivals this year. I pray and hope Mercedes continue to build on their recent recovery and momentum and Ferrari get their act together when it comes to strategy because us genuine fans want extra competition and fair and square racing.
He clearly was pushing harder than the lap before you can see a little lock up in the previous corner. I think checo didn't do it on purpose he helped max and the team on many occasions.
or maybe you just dont know what happens to pretty much every race car, when you slam throttle, while steering and beeing on the brake. checo most likely know that it will end up in a guaranteed spin.
there is like a 10 kmh difference when he enters that corner (crash lap and flying lap) plus I think there was significant difference in time. The corners are really slow and seems like an eternity when you enter T8 and when you can start accelerating. I think Perez jumped the gun. However it is odd that he went full throttle trying to exit the turn, when you clearly need a paced acceleration.
The reason you need to pace acceleration is a camber switch on track. I raced on it with superkart once. Crew warned me on comms before hitting T8 on first lap. I nearly spun because of underestimation of gradient...
exactly. To me what's more odd is how he went on the throttle, not just when. Obviously it's way too early to be going on the throttle in that section, you should be braking, but maybe he thought he was going in too slow into the corner and wanted to get a little on the throttle to compensate. That seems reasonable enough, but what i can't comprehend is why he would go full throttle there. It wasn't even a smooth transition into full throttle, he just opened the gas suddenly at the worst time possible. I don't really believe he would wanna crash on purpose. That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. He didn't have the fastest lap time, and he could easily damage the suspension, gearbox, or even the engine, which going into the race is less than favourable. Still, this accident happened under very weird circumstances
What this video doesn't mention is how fast (or slow) he was going between the two laps. He was much slower going in during his crashed lap, so my guess is that he wanted to pick up some more speed in preparation for the upcoming straight. He's at around 76-77 compared to mid 80's.
If he wanted to "pick up more speed" why was he hard on the brakes when he floored it? There was zero input from either pedal at that point on his fast lap, he coasted into the corner. On his crash lap, he was hard on the brakes and the throttle. It was deliberate. That's what the telemetry shows.
@@mikemelina7395 unlike the throttle input, the telemetry doesn’t show how much brake is applied, it only shows he’s braking or not (on/off). But take the braking thing away, just look at the throttle, it’s definitely a deliberate crash, if the data is accurate.
Monaco 2022 was taken part of the championship before last summer! So if it been held by the start of the season his words are seem to be true. So what’s your point mate ?
He actually turned in later on the crash lap than the previous lap. The car was unsettled, he was understeering, gave it a bit of Welly to try and bring the rear round and misjudged it. It's not a conspiracy.
For me, the weird thing is not only the aggressive, mis-timed blip, but also while he was standing on full brakes. That's a guarantee to make the car swap ends, like doing a donut. Either way I still think max is being petty considering all Checo did for him and the fact that this WDC is already his.
Yeah, I remember back when I used to sim race that pressing full throttle instantly instead of gently or gradually (fast) in a powerful car was a guaranteed spin.
2:16 Comparing where he was on the track in the crashed vs the normal lap, he's too much to the left in the bad lap, so he tried to compensate nudging to the right and throttling, but went too deep in the pedal and the car spun.
I guess Checo on the crashed scene was in a different race line than the normal scene you can check that second 2:11 and you will notice he made something wrong from the beginning. I think he made a mistake by taking that chicane at 2:11 from the outside which gave him the illusion that he is capable of taking the next chicane faster and when he tried to press the accelerator pedal, the wheels turned, which led to the scene that we saw. Take a look at the brakes, you will find that he was pressing for a longer period before going through the turn at the crashed scene.
Another thing: At the same time that he slammed the gas pedal, he does the same thing in the brake pedal, as he knew that he would spun and didn't want to hit hard the barrier.
The brake telemtry only shows if the brake pedal is pressed or not. Doesnt matter if its pressed down 15% ot 60% or a 100% it will always just show that its fully pressed
Perez never reacts to save the spin, that and the throttle stab are dead giveaways it was intentional. A class driver intending not to crash, would counter steer almost instinctively as soon as they felt the rear stepping around
He probably did that on purpose because he just blipped the throttle, If he did that to get a better exit off the corner he would have interfered and tried to counter steer.
i think it would be expected to see abnormal telemetry in a crash, especially if due to a mistake. i think we can see i this video the reason he crashed and its bc of throttle application in a low speed corner - but doesn’t mean much beyond that. great video!
For me it's the pretty much simultaneous full brake, as if he already knew beforehand that he was gonna do this & needed to make sure to make the crash as soft as possible as to not damage his gearbox or something else important.
Because that short squeeze of throttle was to rotate the car. Thus he wasn’t surprised by the slide but he gave too much throttle and rotated the car too much.
I think this is him trying a different philosophy of slower corner entry, earlier throttle input mixed with the frustration of a poor first sector causing him to become over ambitious like when Max knew he'd lost the lap in Jeddah with the lockup but still tried flooring the throttle and hit the wall.
The why was on the brakes so hard when he floored it? Look at the side-by-side telemetry and concentrate on the pedal positions at 2:16-17 in the video.
While it does indeed seem very suspicious, it's just too strange and illogical to me for it to have been intentional. Risks far outweighed the rewards. To me, it's just a silly mistake to me. Unless somebody can show he's got form for this (like when drivers were accusing Max of being far too aggressive in his early seasons, which was very true and there was plenty of evidence for it), then I won't blame Perez for this.
at that time checo was still in the hunt for championship, probably, he just want to make sure he would finish ahaed of max in monaco where max wouldnt able to pass him
Perez's mega defense in 2021 Abu Dhabi (helped Max win the title): ruclips.net/video/xTNtTKUqynQ/видео.html
So even if Perez really did crash purposely, I personally think he still should get that little help from Max in Brazil 2022. The teamwork he did for Max in 2021 Ahu Dhabi is too big.
I agree even if the crash was on purpose what he did to help Max outweighs that 1000x
Yeah Max and His Fans are too childish to understand this
Disagree. Once you intentionally screw your teammate over, you've now changed the game we're playing from helping each other out when my stakes are low, to disadvantaging the other guy, on purpose, for your own gain.
All max is doing is saying, ok you started this petty shit not me, two can play at that game.
max is behaving like a child just like seb vettel at his prime with red bull
@@kronzomg Checo only screwing Max once in Monaco, compared to how many times Max screwed Kimi,Seb and especially His teammate Daniel in 2016-2018 it's nothing but Childish Mindset from Max
I can’t believe Checo ruined Max’s season and Championship hopes with this appalling incident
Right? Max has every right to be angry in my honest opinion
🐭champion
Yes how incredibly senseless he was, such a terrible human being and an even more horrible team mate 😒
Do you know when Checo crashed on purpose, Max was still fighting neck and neck with the Ferraris right?
Ruined by winning 2 championships
Leaving the whole controversy aside for a while, I just want to say this is a great channel. Sometimes we get so immersed in the sport that we tend to forget the objectivity that telemetry brings to light.
It's the best channel for F1 because you get such in depth tidbits. Nobody does this
Latifi did the same last year
@@PozzaPizz there are dozens of channels that do this lmao
Telemetry only shows what happened. It does not prove intent.
@@Cynycter I know, that's what I meant. I wasn't speaking about intent, who knows why happened what happened in Monaco. It's just neat to know from an objective point what happened.
It would be interesting to see all drivers flying lap's telemetry on those two Monaco turns
I can guarantee you no one would be full throttle aggressively while turning because if they did we would have seen them spin haha
@@rishabmeh32 i guarantee you that the shown telemetry is not the real telemetry.
@@r00ks Well if that’s the case and Perez only blipped ~1/3 of the throttle or so, then he’s innocent and unlucky. It did sound way more than a third though
@@rishabmeh32 he’s on the brakes at the same time, in RWD cars and karts, that will rotate the tail of the car. This was 100% deliberate.
Also notice how much he’s turning the wheels. His steering is way more…idk what word to use here but, turned during the crash clip.
What makes it still unrealistic to me is that Perez was just at P3, but had the pace to challenge for the pole at that weekend.
From P3, you usually don't win at Monaco. It only worked out because Ferrari did Ferrari things again on Sunday, but Perez couldn't have known that on sunday. So why would he take such a risk (also to destroy his gearbox or anything else as Leclerc did the year before) just for a P3 starting position?
P3 but ahead of Max. Being ahead of Max was what mattered the most for him, as Max was starting to pull away in the title fight.
@@joaoandrade2828 In the race they might have switched as well. Being P3 ahead of P4 is a 3 point difference, while being P1 to P2 for example would be 7 points. It just makes no sense to me to do something risky like that for a P3 start.
@@Daresco but he didn't believe he could get P1 as he was down on his previous lap. Afraid of being outqualified by Max, he slammed the throttle pedal and didn't even correct it (deliberation). More than enough reasons.
Agreed. Monaco is such a big risk
Ok. Now try and explain the telemerey difference. Is Checo just that bad at driving?
Horner and Helmut loved the deliberate crash so much they gave him a 2 year extension at Red Bull. Checo defended his P3 so extremely well!
He confessed it to them later dumbfuck, and perez signed the contract before the race
Checo should leave that backstabbin fraud of a team and fanbase. A lot of fans claim it now but its absurd. Not only that. If it was true then both the FIA and RBR are now eligble for fraud. The FIA checks the qualification and the race after every event. You want to tell me that some Reddit amateurs could find a case of cheating but the FIA didn't? and if Checo told RBR that he did something (deliberate crash) which comprised the race of others, that could've resulted in a lifetime ban, it would mean that RBR held back information. They only complain now because it affected Max's legacy, meaning they were okay with cheating. Now the season actually makes sense. Perez went from Legend for RBR fans to how can we collectively catch him cheating. Somehow some amateurs on Reddit could find Perez cheating but the FIA couldn't make a proper case to punish Checo. They should check the Dutch GP as well.
they did the extension before Monaco GP
@Javier Gonzalez the signing was much earlier than the gp but they announced it after monaco gp.. u can find the vids about checo talked about his extension
@@glorious_help They weren't able to reverse that, in light of Checho's revelations, plus asked Verstappen to do something despite his putting it all on the table beforehand, what his position was. To make matters worse, Horner (who Checho 'confessed' to), apologises to Checho in public, despite knowing what was happening! Never bring commonsense to an idiot's ballgame.
The giveaway to Verstappen's lie is the 'are we clear about that?' Line. Implying that something had been discussed earlier. No. Verstappen was pissed at having been passed by Hamilton, despite doing his utmost to engineer 'a racing incident'.. His last outburst of this nature was in the season's opener when he said over the radio "never again ask me..." On that occasion nobody suggested Checho's spin and engine failure was engineered to take Hamilton out. We'd have been consigned to loony land, which is precisely where Verstappen goes when things don't go his way.
One thing you've missed to point out, is that in the Q3-B run hes about 10kph slower at the apex, it may have been his intention to apex slower but go on throttle earlier and more aggressively to carry that advantage down the tunnel.
No, imposible. If you want to exit of a corner with better traction - acceleration, you need to do a late apex and that in Mónaco its impossible because you only have one correct line. And if you exit with more traction you apply maybe 5-10% more of throthle, you don't go with 100% at the begining. Deja de decir chingaderas wuevon.
the angle he was upto (steering), makes it seem that it wasn't intentional
if you look in the video he has a massive amount of steering on and you never ever go full throttle with that much steering you will 100 % of the time spin. no professional or amateur racing drive would make such a mistake. plus he gives full throttle before he hits the apex and that is also something a professional driver would never do.
No. I raced "overpowered" open wheel road racing for years. That was 100% deliberate.
Yeap with f1 cars, you never can full throttle with steering that much, actually you can only throttle full when at high speed, not even when you are straight. They know that
2:16-2:18 Watch it frame by frame and you'd see that he was going almost 10kmph slower.
At 2:18 you can see that on his normal lap he was at the corner already. In his crashed lap, just before he blipped, he was not at the apex yet. He braked a bit more.
I just think he blipped to compensate for that mistake. He would have wanted to improve on his lap surely and he would have sensed that the car was slowing down faster than he expected.
Also, right after the blip, you can see that he is braking hard, he realises that he has made a mistake.
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I find no reason for him to do this. That too so far ahead in the season.
I hope people think twice before character assassinations.
You know he cheated on his wife after the gp right? Everything about checo that weekend was shady. As to why he would do this?
Slow speed, low damages.
To keep his position over max,
And because he was in the fight for the championship at the time.
Monaco is a hardplace to overtake, it would make sense checo would want to ensure he gets pole to get the edge over max.
I spotted that as well. He was slower and as such probably thought he could accelerate earlier due to his slower speed.
F1 drivers are highly trained individuals who dont make rookie mistakes like that. And letme tell you, if you ever get the chance to play a simulator. Youll quickly find that full throttle, even going ina straight line will make you spin if youre not going fast, or really careful.
Checo hits full throttle beforehes even turned in the corner. Its plain to see.
Regardless of his reasons. It’s not normal for him to do this. (I’m not a verstappen fan at all btw) This is genuinely weird, he knows getting on the throttle like this is not going to help in anyway. If this telemetry is correct, Perez without question caused the crash on purpose, or he was just a complete idiot. Not saying that he did this to get to max or anything like that. But it’s either he did it on purpose, or he made an error so amateur that a drunk mazepin wouldn’t have made
@@wicklash9065 but he didn't get pole lol
Yeah that is very odd. Definitely think it's important to move past issues though and look at the full picture. Overall Checo's support for max has far exceeded any hindrance. Max ought to honor that.
Perez paid for it now. Verstappen is not that childish
Another Alonso. Great. That's what we need
Fuck Checo...you don't do shit like this, period!
@@de4ds1ghtcsgo94 The reason max has 2 is because of Checo. Red Bull 2021 - Checo = Lewis 8 time world champion
@@very_smug4748 or he would have had a teammate who could actually take points during the whole season. Checo was shit and useless most of 2021
Yeah that blip was suspicious but what confirms it for me is that he doesnt react or anticipate the countersteer like a professional would in that situation.
yeah especially perez, he is always very quick with reacting to counter steering. this is defintly on purpose and tbh I understand max lol
@@akalithemoney2546 Yeah anyone who has ever driven car fast knows that the countersteer comes from intuition and as a reflex faster than your brain can even realise that now i should countersteer. So in that sense it seems he really gave up and consciously made the decicion not to correct.
So he intentionally crashed to ... lockout the front row for Ferrari?? Seems entirely illogical, especially since he had been helping Verstappen last season and this season too.
Also, Verstappen said last summer which to me suggests the summer of 2021 so I really am not sure why people are focusing on Monaco so much.
Yeah that’s also what confirms it for me. He had no intention in countersteering.
@@boop9239 yeah it’s probably not about Monaco. But Perez still did this on purpose.
The one thing people keep forgetting is that Alonso also crashed at almost exactly the same time. Session would have been redflagged whether Perez crashed (intentionally or not) either way, making the whole grudge even pettier if Monaco is the reason.
Yeah I hard agree on it being petty but IF there was intent from Checo then that is pretty shitty either way. Dumb ass situation all around.
How the eff would any other driver know another one crashed hard enough to bring out a red flag
@@Lonzz_14 No, what counts is the fact that it changed nothing and takes nothing away from the insurmountable help that Checo gave Max last year and even this year. Its an incredibly petty move filled with arrogance.
It's not the result that matters but the intent. You still go to jail for attempted murder...
@@ruben_m8907 This is incomparable to murder at all, it takes a lot more proof than something like this, and if I use dumb logic too, normally people get rewarded for being as good as Checo was to Max, particularly when it counts. But yeah go off.
You have seen him spinning in the Dutch GP qualy and other times under pressure, he's sometimes prone to mistakes that surprise you because you don't expect it from him due to experience
without checking im sure the problem there wasnt that he slammed the pedal while massively steering before the apex
C. Sainz makes mistakes like this under pressure all the time!
he went gas before the apex. You can't say that pressure made him do that. Also explain why he put no anti lock when he was sliding.
He didn't try at all to do an opposite lock to avoid the wall
@@tanguyarzamian1852 to be fair that section is downhill..so even with opposite lock it would been very hard to prevent hitting the wall with the momentum he got from the throttle blip
Great analysis, thanks. Doesn't excuse Max disappointing stance in Brazil but it is enlightening.
If your teammate does something like this, bridges get burned. Just ask Lulu
why risk a gearbox, to just being ahead of max in monaco (a big risk), it makes no sense
@@ArielGonzalez1 Being ahead of your teammate in Monaco is quite big, especially considering the contract situation. But I think it is stupid to always say he didn't have a motive, when all signs point toward Perez doing it on purpose.
Certainly does excuse it
Of course verstappen was not helping perez if this is true
@@pwelicans checo service to max Abu Dhabi 2021, wait a minute next week is Abu Dhabi
Let's assume that Chećo deliberately Crashed and told it to Horner and Marko.
If he had done the above, he would have been fired/penalised by RB for doing so as it was just for P3.
We would hope so but it never works like that in F1. Look at Briatore
The strange thing is he goes wayy to early on throttle uses much more and takes a completely different line
Think carefully about it. If RB punished Checo then they would be admitting it happened. That's why stuff like this is discussed behind closed doors. When Max said he gave his reasons on the radio chat, he seemed to be referring to something very clearly. Not a Max fan obviously. But something is fishy here.
They keep it in house this is what will always happen. Look at the draymond green (nba) situation for reference. Guy nearly killed somebody at practice and wasn't even suspended until the video leaked out later.
@@Faiz_Azad-Khan He turns in quite early on the crash lap too. he turns in too early
i’ve seen drivers go full brake and almost full throttle before to try and prevent spins but it’s insane he would do it at that specific moment in the corner
If you watch the video when it is side by side, you can see Sergio was 10 kmh slower than his fast lap. As he was going slower, he may have thought he could accelerate earlier to make up for the speed loss. Even the pros have brain fades at times.
No he definitely crashed on purpose because he's evil and hates max !!!!
@@zelder1371 Please make a sensible comment instead of a very stupid one. Troll
I'm agree with u. Slower speed on T8, earlier accellerate to save flying lap , mistake, spin, crash.
I honestly agree with you, that kinda makes sense ngl.
@@piotrkraska8843 No. Even if your car is straight, you don‘t slam the throttle. Watch his lap where he didn’t crash and how smoothly he accelerated. It was intentionally. There was no „making time up by accelerating full throttle“
There is normally a lot of “look how Max has matured” comments earlier this year but regardless of the reasons, Brazil showed he still needs to chill out a bit and be more reasoned. He’s already world champion FFS.
I just can't believe this is the real and only reason. If it is, then he was simply stupid in Brazil. And I'm very disappointed in him. But what if something else happened behind the scenes?
Max and RB already won the titles. This was so unnecessary.
@ Anyone who knows about it is implicated. Checo put Max's career in jeopardy. More than a championship at stake there.
Well, Hamilton is still crying after so many years, so I think all drives have a lot of time to Mature. He hit me, my tires are good, don't pit me, the car is trash, Verstappen went off in turn xx :D all the time. He is a great driver but his moaning is so annoying :D
@@honzareality why does everything have to come round to Hamilton? He has nothing to do with this. 🤷🏼
@@wicklash9065 Jeapardy? Save the jokes. Max will be at RedBull until the day he dies or decides to leave. Its practically Maxbull racing. Max's career wasn't in jeopardy LOL.
I like the idea of causing a red flag puts you at the back of the pack depending on which qualifying session you are in.
In other disciplines of motorsports, they delete your best qualy time, that way, you can't use yellow/red flag to "mantain" position, because you are going to lose it. Works like wonder I would say.
Would have also meant, among others, Russell wouldn’t have won in Brazil
No that would be unfair if it was actually an accident. In quali especially when your goal is to get the absolute best out of the car things can happen.
@@GamerPro-ts6fs Well, as long as it is the same for everyone, it would be fair.
I understand the point of "what if I was just trying to improve?" well, then, don't crash. If you make an error, is just logical to have a "punishment" in comparison to the ones that didn't make such error.
The important thing is, this will end with any "did he crash on purpose?" bullshit that arose whenever a Q3 contender crashes.
@@GamerPro-ts6fs true, especially in wet conditions
The sound of the engine roaring wasn't the deciding factor for me. With wheelspin, the rpm automatically increases. I find the steering wheel movements strange. There is no countersteering to be seen at all.
However, I can't explain this behavior. He was in P3. Risking the gearbox for this is illogical.
But if it was intentional, it will have serious consequences. That's why Sainz had an accident.
The only thing that makes sense is that he only wanted to stay ahead of Max. This year was probably his best chance at a championship and after being ordered to unfairly let Max past the race before in Spain this was a way for him to keep up with Max. Imo it makes no sense but it does seem a little suspicious.
In fact if you do a wheelspin with the car you need to be accelerating as well, and you can see in the video he is losing the car before the apex, before the accelerating zone. Because in that part where he loses the car, in the first Q3 run, you can see he is brakeing until he pass the apex of the corner.
Full throttle on that point is not logical, as the earlier lap showed..............
@@Eric-rf1is Correct, but i cant validate the telemetry. I dont know, that he was on full throttle but we see his steering movement and hear the rpm.
@@hanseckhardt3826 2:18 green throttle display 👍👍 getting slower in the corner to minimize damage is also a sign.
I would like to compare Checo’s accident to Alonso’s and see if the anomaly is similar
Great analysis. If you can see, there's a speed difference in the corner entry of almost 10km/h between the attempts. In my opinion at the second attempt, he tried to pull up in the T8 exit but he stepped on the gas more than usual by the pressure to compensate the wrong entry. It wasn't, at least for me, enough to be an intentional spin.
I was about to post about this as well 2:16 shows that difference and the approach angle as well.... It's as if he was trying to get on the throttle a bit early and use the extra room out of the apex.... A driver trying something different... And it just didnt pay off.
Yup. What I said.
That was my initial thought too. But you don't correct that by slamming the gas pedal at full throttle. That's just 100% chance of spinning, and a pro driver knows it better than me. There are extremely rare situations where you might need to do that, and force wheelspin to correct a trajectory, but first: you do it right on or slighly after the apex, not before. That is not a move to correct an early or slow entry. Second, if you want to powerslide you need to apply a LOT of countersteer. Again, a pro driver perfectly knows this, and Checo doesn't even try to save it.
The only thing that makes me really think this was done on purpose is his wheel angle before he slams the gas. Its almost full lock compared to the previous t8.
He could have induced a little bit of rear slip to try to get the rear to move slightly out of the corner, shortening the exit to be able to accelerate earlier (still achieving the faster speed in the tunnel hopefully). This is a relatively simple trick to pull on go-kars, dunno about proper open wheel 1000hp racecars tho.
Bruh just admit Verstappen is an egoistic driver Perez definitely didn’t crash on purpose for a P3. Max Fans once again flipping on others
The telemetry data looks very suspicious indeed because he didn't just have a little bit too much throttle, he literally goes full throttle in the middle of the corner, so it's either an intentional crash, or it was just a weird cramp or something like that.
Well apparently he admitted it was on purpose
@@Skillzvideos Name any source besides Dutch media
It's also possible that it's an engine mapping glitch or something of the sorts.
We simply dont have enough data to be 100% sure it was an intentional crash
@@carmillawoo6505 nor to say it wasn't intentional.
Max knows more and wanted to discuss it. Rb and Checo didn't. Blame them.
He 100% spun the car on purpose. The way he stabbed the throttle a good bit before the apex while still on the brakes to keep the rear light, and low enough speed to keep the damage to the car at a minimum. It’s undeniable when you watch the side by side comparison of the clean lap vs crash lap..
A seasoned and excellent road course driver doesn’t accidentally goose the throttle like that.
Maybe he was trying to get on the gas sooner. how would he know it would mess up Max lap.?
Yes because absolutes are intelligent things to say.
Only an absolute moron would think he did it on purpose.
@@darrellglover4301 Getting on the gas sooner doesn't mean going full throttle before hitting the apex.
@@JohnFromAccounting yep.
he offer a world championship to its teammate, no matter what he did wrong. he's also desperated because he has a number 2 role in this team.
He helped him in only one GP. He's number 2 because he's much slower than Max. If RB hadn't been so much faster than midfield teams in 2021 and 2022, Perez would have looked as bad as Albon and Gasly.
@@dead_locked that 1 GP was worth a whole championship, stop reducing the value of his help ffs y'all are blind
Because Perez isn’t fast enough to be a number 1 driver.
@@dead_locked Looks like education and history are not ur strong suit !
@@dead_locked You're a delusional Max fan if you think Checo only helped him once. Let's list all the times he helped Verstappen and obeyed RB's team-orders:
2021 Monaco - Undercut and passed Max's championship rival
2021 Baku - At the last restart he stayed calm and kind of forced Hamilton into a mistake
2021 Russia - Was ahead of Max on track but stayed out so RB could pit Max earlier onto intermediate tyres
2021 Brazil - Took away the fastest lap point from Hamilton
2021 Abu Dhabi - You dont need explanation
2022 Spain - Basically gave up fighting for the win against Max
2022 Baku - Was told to not fight Max and let him through
2022 Japan - Hunted down Leclerc and forced him into a mistake at the final lap which gave Max the title.
If this is not enough proof to you how much Pérez has helped his selfish little bitch teammate then idk what it is...
2:03 he goes full lock on the wheel, and full throttle.
comparing his wheel position and throttle input to the first run and there is but 1 conclusion.
100% intentional.
2:17 is even better, on his 2nd run he isnt even close to the apex and he goes full lock and throttle.
Even I was initially skeptical about this. But the lack of counter steer especially in a driver of his caliber was damning. You're right in your inference. The moment he sniffed the championship he showed who he truly is. May have helped max but sabotage is worse.🎉
What feels weird to me is that if he wanted to crash on purpose he could've done so at the swimming pool for example by taking the corner too tight and hitting the wall (common mistake on this track a lot of crashes happened there). I feel like that could've been less suspicious, instead of smashing the throttle without even trying to catch the oversteer
too much car damage that way.
Yeah but it's much higher speed so also a bigger chance to destroy the car and have damage like leclerc did in 2021
if someone deliberately crashes himself as a profitable tactic, he will definitely consider all possible consequences that would lead to the bad thing, such as avoiding the potential for severe damage that could affect tomorrow's race. Of course what you say will have great potential, so imo it's impossible for Perez to choose that
yeah you guys are right, can't believe I didn't think of that
maybe if he did that in that section of the track he afraid he will injured since he didnt have a big balls🤣
You can also show analysis of the other drivers probably not slamming the pedal to the metal. Actually. Damn. I like this investigation! Going to check others now :>
He tried to get a better exit into the tunnel. That was Q3, they try harder to get that extra tenth. When the car loses traction the engine revs up, it is completely normal. He made a mistake, end of story.
@@thiagocanola554 lol, you’re kidding
@@thiagocanola554 right! This guy making the video haven't even probably driven a go-kart. This video proves absolutely nothing.
Take a close look at his hands, as his car oversteers he doesn't even try to correct it by countersteering
@@ZeqHDx We will never know. In my view, he already new the car was gone. One you have wheel spin+on the edge of grip, in such a tight turn the car slides like butter. But I understand and you have a point.👍🏻
The fact that he doesn't try to correct the slide afterwards is interesting as well
Exactly.
What made you think he doesn't correct the slide?
@@arvingonzales1278 the fact that he doesn't turn into the slide?
@@jonathanwood8847 he seemed turning the wheels on the opposite side when he slide. Not sure though if that's the way to do it when sliding or not. I'm not an expert driver in F1 sim...
@@arvingonzales1278 correcting a slide is instinctive. Even when karting, you feel the start of a spin and you turn the wheel the other way. He doesn't even start doing this until he's facing the barrier. You don't need to be an expert to understand this
Este análisis estaría muy bien para Russell en la Q3 de Brasil, dónde se despistó y podía seguir pero decidió regresar a atascarse en la arena y arruinó la Q3 de sus principales competidores, por cierto el auto en arena no sufrió casi ningún daño...
No creo, ellos sabían que tenían ritmo a una vuelta y así salieran en medi parrilla en carrera estuvieran arriba
@@tyrone6892 Pero claro, si tienes la oportunidad de salir P2 detrás de un Haas o salir a mitad de parrilla y pelear toda la carrera por el podio, mmhm, no se necesitan más de dos neuronas para decidir cuál es mejor no crees?
The problem is that it would be very hard to come to any conclusion since you don't have a reference lap
Merc had the pace to qualify in pole. It was a hard track condition with that weather. This Checo clip showed he intentionally reved up while turning to spin his car. He also did not do corrections during the spin which all drivers do when they spun.
O el año pasado que Leclerc "choco" y se acabó la Q
Wow, I have never seen the telemetry of this crash before and now that I look at it, it is really odd as if Perez wanted a fast spin on purpose.
Not only the throttle application is very suspicious, but also the lack of countersteering, which is an instinctive, immediate response of any racing driver when losing the rear of the car.
Exactly. I could somehow look past the full throttle, but the lack of counter steering is what is very suspicious to me.
This remember me Singapore 2008
He was 12 km hr slower in that corner, I think he wanted to increase a bit and it didnt go well.
That's my thought.
His minimum speed throught the section overall was lower than his previous lap, and it looked like he had noticed he was down to the delta of the previous lap, and tried to just blip for minimum speed through the corner, got caught out and spun.
As others have mentioned, logically, it doesn't make sense for him to crash on purpose, there are no pros, and far too many cons to risk it.
@@ABVW92 No. He was hard on the brakes when he floored it. There was no input from the brakes or throttle during his fast lap. If he was going slower, he wouldn't brake hard where he didn't brake at all when he was faster, then stomp on the throttle, if he was trying to spin the car, that's what he'd do, stab the brakes and the throttle at the same time. This was deliberate.
@@mikemelina7395 doesn't look it to me...
Maybe a lapse in concentration, idk...
But it doesn't come off as deliberate at all, it's not like it doesn't make enough sense, it straight up doesn't make any sense at all.
You have your thoughts, I have mine.
and also it seems that the redbull cars had some throttle problem around that week
@@ABVW92 freeze the video before the corner and go trough it slowly using "." (or "," to go slowly backwards) and see that he slammed the brakes before the corner together with full throttle.
The fact that he doesn’t even try to counter steer in the attempt to prevent the car from oversteering is also pretty significant.
Also he clearly uses a lot more lock into the right hand turn than the previous lap, and than a dab on the throttle is all an F1 car needs to spin around on a dime. They only have insane grip due to aero, but at such low speeds it is all mechanical grip that is easily overcome by these very powerful engines,
@@LogiForce86 yes I agree. The only situation in which an F1 driver would slam the throttle like that at such low speed would be in case he went off road and he wants to cause a spin for the purpose to get back on track.
@Samuele Spalletti Here is another thing. On the first shown attempt he hits that inside curbstone fully, which causes a clear imbalance in the car. The apex is obviously there where the curbstone is, but on that second attempt he doesn't even hit the curbstone with his front right tyre but spins before he gets there.
There is no professional driver who applies gas before the apex, and thus not before he has unwound lock on his wheel unless he is a professional drifter.
Now can you do Alonso purposely crashing into the wall to bring RedFlag (cover by Perez RedFlag) and not lose his position on the grid because Ocon was faster than Him that day ?
Alonso crashed after sainz and Perez collided. And it wasnt on purpose mate, he was pushing.
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tbf alonso is quicker on pace than ocon 75% of the time
Ocon was not faster that day hahahahaha, he was behind Alonso at the moment and alonso didnt know anything about esteban's last lap.
How about Russell in Brazil last weekend. His spin caused a red flag and secured a 3rd spot on the grid for him
With some driving experience on the track, that is not normal. If I would plan to crash, that's the way I would do it. Slam the gas middle of the slow corner, knowing the damage would be minimal due the lack of speed. He did not even try to corrent oversteering, or break. He just lets the car roll. He absolutely knew what he was doing. 100% clear.
No, you would do it this way when you plan to crash and plan to get caught for it. Then you do it like that. I think we can assume Perez is aware of the amount of sensors in his car. I doubt this was some sort of plan cause it's too stupid to be a plan.
You just proved you have no experience on track
@@benfrese3573 tbh it didn’t surfaced until Brazil, unlike Schumacher and rosberg’s Monaco incident that are immediately discussed. If not for Brazil, this probably would be hidden forever. So it’s pretty smart after all.
Anybody saying that’s not on purpose has no idea how driving works, it doesn’t take a professional to see that he crashes on purpose
@@bokebryant3985 la calificación iba ser detenida igualmente por el accidente de Alonso en la zona de casino estorbando los pasos de los autos
He doesn't even try to countersteer and that tells you it was intentioned
man’s not an actor
exactly, f1 drivers have very quick reflexes and even if they know they are gonna crash, their basic instinct is to catch the slide
This channel is super entertaining to watch! Every video is very well made and straight to the point. Also the quality is outstanding.
another thing is that all drivers instinctually flick the steering wheel in the opposite direction as soon as the car starts sliding (in other videos of perez spinning he does that too) but in this case he held the wheel pretty much straight without much input
Maybe his reasons are way simpler than that, like telling the team that he wouldn’t need them to give him a position, but he wouldn’t attend to position requests as well. And maybe it was agreed after he secured the championship.
Yelistener playing both sides to come out on top no matter what
First he released the video of Checo helping Max when it looked like public opinion was against Max and just as the wind changes, he releases this video...
yeah, for transparence.
How can you not see that?
Very interesting to see that. I was expecting to see the power being applied a little bit earlier than his first Q3 lap. But as you describe and we see. He hasn’t actually hit the apex when the throttle was applied. But I guess it will always be a mystery just like Nico Rosberg out braking himself to hinder Lewis’s lap. 10M later on the brakes seemed too much to me plus with all that fake correcting when the car wasn’t ever sliding. Some look more convincing then others.
Rosberg learned it from Schumacher.
@@JohnFromAccounting although Schumacher's was comically bad and is the only one confirmed to be on purpose
Wow Max Fans
So this justifies the stupidity done by Max when the championship is over & your teammate is fighting P2 with someone.
I think the stupidity is thinking ignoring team orders is way worse than crashing on purpose.
Even if he did. Being the bigger person is important in maintaining a good relationship. He may be the best but he needs a teammate.
being teammates doesn't mean you don't compete though
@@pollenzx True, but they didn’t compete this weekend. He was given the position by Perez and decided to not give it back when his team told him to. I don’t like team order but if he wants Perez to follow the team order, Verstappen should do it too.
He's not the best. He's a madman with the faster car which suits only for him
@@pierregasly3547 so who is better? Lewis with 0 wins? Both ferrari drivers with 4 wins in total?
That’s not even the point it’s tha Max already won the Championship
Not throwing any shade, but as an observation to add:
He doesn't even try to save the car with any counter steer, he just lets it slide in the barrier....
Perez’s crash and Ferrari bad strategy help RB get both drivers on podium . Good constructors points 😊
2:03 look at how much speed he's carrying into the corner in both instances, so maybe just to compensate for that he goes in early on the throttle and loses it, it's all just speculation on purpose or not but to me it looks like a genuine mistake. Thank you very much for the video though mate🙏🏾
He was also 0.043s behind his original time, he needed to get faster out that corner.
you mexican advocates are so funny really.
Its not need for speed. You would never slam the throttle this hard in an F1 car unless you absolutely want to spin the car out.
@@Fanatic102nd i find it hard to comprehend that people who haven't actually driven an F1 car start to bring what they do in driving games, ridiculous
@@amanlemos17 You don't need to have experience driving an actual F1 car to understand that a 1000HP RWD vehicle with no traction control will immediately spin out if you just slam full throttle in the middle of a slow corner. A lot less powerful RWD car will do that without traction control. You can watch how patiently and carefully he applies throttle on exit on his first run (same as all the other 19 drivers - watch Leclerc pole lap). If that throttle slam was a genuine mistake then it is one of the most rookie mistakes I have ever seen in F1. The fact that there is no instinctive attempt to correct the spin by such an experienced F1 driver is just an icing on the cake here.
Much people forgot the term "second driver" and really believe equal status driver within a team is still a thing after 2016 season (Spain 2016 as a matter of fact)
The content on your channel is so well researched and well presented. You are sure to go big soon, if you keep at it.
exactly ♥️
Anybody can make mistakes , no human is immune from this . If it happens , it happens , keep on moving . Do not forget the person that has helped you .
If you are out to look for other peoples mistakes , you are sure to find it no matter how small it is , this is nothing new but be very careful !
What you may find might be just be what you also did too ! Kinda like an egg thrown on the face , it might just land on you yourself !
2:16-17 look at the pedal positions and the speeds, this was not a mistake, it was deliberate.
@@mikemelina7395 yeah delibarate not normal
You idiot
There is no need to insult one another here . The 2 drivers are the ones involved , not me . All of us here are just speculating , we may never know the truth .
@@bfgbfg6515 well its pretty clear with telemtry
He never even tried to save it. Basically, he pulled a "you-ie", where you flick the rear end around. Entirely intentional.
His hand inputs are different. His throttle is very different.
Whatever the rumour is, verstappen should have let pass Perez,given he has already won the 2022 championship, and not to forget Perez 's very dedicated role as his wingman in 2021 championship.😿
I don't think you get it.
Just imagine you have a person in your life who always helped you and you were good buddies. Until he decides to suddenly betray you and try to hinder you intentionally.
You wouldn't think a second of the things he did for you, because your friend was wanting to betray you.
I'm just clarifying how Max probably sees it.
Max almost fail 2021 wdc because he dnf bull bottas adn dnf silverstone bro
Can't there be a possibility that he wanted to get early on the power as it was his last lap, but as soon as he saw the rear slide, he came off the Throttle. I think it would be pretty unreasonable to purposely crash, specially when you're not even P1, you're P3. Plus there is a cost cap too for the teams now, so he would be thinking about that too. I may be wrong but this is just my opinion :)
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No mate no F1 driver does that with the throttle in that kind of conditions and that type of corner. He doesn't even try to countersteer which is the normal thing to do.
It's pretty plausible, but he went full throttle though... That's the odd part. Other than that, it wouldn't make sense that he crashed on purpose
I’m not buying it that he did it purposely. Perfectly reasonable for an f1 driver to make mistakes at Monaco. Max himself crashed at the swimming pool chicane a few years ago. Also, Perez was p3 not p1. Doesn’t make sense for him to crash purposely whilst he was in p3. Roseberg purposely went off in sector one few years ago when he was in p1 and Lewis was behind him
max and his crew believe it tho and they know a lot more than we do. Unfortunate that this is now an issue, rbr should have fixed this / averted what happened in brazil. But we are dealing with something you can't prove and something that is also dirty and would require censure from within the team and probably other authorities if it could be proven; so Perez will ever admit to it being deliberate.
110% purpose, he went way too early on the pedal compare to the previous lap like he doesnt even wait to hit the apex for throttle, 100% owncrashed
If you notice at 1:01 he had a small lock up in the Hairpin which means the tires would have been a bit unsettled through the next few corners especially Portier. I don't think he crashed on purpose.
Finally, someone looks further ahead than the moment of death. There were a lot of factors leading up to this, including how he entered that corner.
@@hotshtsr20 right I watched his whole lap leading up to those corners. He was pushing harder than he should have up to the run in the hairpin. I think he had used his tires up and wasn't much grip left in them. He did that small lock up and never recovered the car fully.
The Monaco GP also happened after the Spanish GP and we all know what went down there with team orders
Good point. The telemetry here doesn't lie, on the previous lap the graphic shows no input from either pedal, in the crash, it shows he was on the brakes hard and floored it. That's how you induce a spin.
@@mikemelina7395 mistakes also induce a spin
@@sgru9558 mistake with full throttle? No way
The telemetry doesn't lie, Perez had delusions of grandeur
Narcissists never admit mistakes. They want everybody to shrug off what he did wrong, “and basically moved forward from here.”
Absolutely spot on!
It's honestly tragic how few people realize this in these comments.
If you put even slower the lap when Checo spun and analyze the view of the track from the camera, I think Checo already lost the rear before really throttling, product of an reflex act.
Because he slammed on the brakes. He was going slower than the previous lap and slammed on the brakes and throttle at the same time. That's how you start a donut.
Now I get why Max got angry... and he has the right to be angry...
Ok so here’s my take on it. (I’m not supporting Max or Checo or Hamilton or Leclerc or whoever you think so that you know I am not biased or whatever). In the crash lap, Checo goes into the corner with a speed 76. In the normal lap he is entering with a speed of 86. What is the difference? He pressed the brakes too hard after accelerating too much on the small straight leading to turn 8. If you watch the steering wheel, on the crash lap the steering wheel is turned more to the right than the normal lap. Reasons for this? When going into a corner, the more speed you have the easier it is to turn the wheels. So, in the crash lap it is natural that he turned the steering wheel more, knowing that it would take more “turning” to make the wheels face the direction that he wants to so that he can get a clear exit. Nothing abnormal here. However, when he goes into the corner there is a slide prior to the full acceleration (watch very closely). Is this because he accelerated too suddenly? I do not have the technical knowledge to answer that. What we do know is that the throttle was almost at 100% prior to the spin. Why can this be? If he accelerated too hard into the corner, then there are high chances that he is gonna hit the right wall with the angle that his steering wheel is turned to. Right before throttle to 100%, he turns his steering wheel to the left, knowing that otherwise he would crash. To get out of the situation and quickly turn left you need to press the pedal hard. Now I know how delicate these drivers are and do not usually make mistakes. How you interpret is upon you. But know that Latifi crashed in the formation lap. (Just funny so I put it there). Whether you think Max deserves to act that way or not is up to you. This is my analysis on the situation
Perhaps deleting a drivers time if they cause a red flag would 'fix' these situations. Brazil is the most recent example, with Russell causing a red, preventing the other drivers from a chance and then winning. Deleting their time would be an excellent solution. And fair.. Everyone hets a chance whether you F-up or not. No advantage for crashing..
Wasn't there already talk of this earlier this season? Also something about deleting all lap times set under double waved yellows that was never done in practice
2:17 not only that (2:17 is not the exact moment so play it little bit further). I may not be the only one but it seemed to me that checo steered more when entering the corner than on his previous lap... but I dunno for sure + he just seemed to be very early on the throttle
And if you see in the second lap he arrives at a less speed than before and may he want to anticipate the gas to do the lap more quick.
@@0l3m true
I’d also add that if you were going to deliberately bring out a red flag by crashing you probably wouldn’t do it there, a blind turn with cars following closely behind (risking big damage) and you wouldn’t back it into the barrier’s potentially damaging the gearbox for which you’d take a penalty. You’d do a Schumacher and have a very slow speed bump, maybe just knock off your front wing to make it look genuine.
There are so many different ways to deliberately crash in Monaco and Perez probably chose the worse one
Yeah like....why didn't he pull a Nico Rosberg?
It’s the smartest one. Firstly the corner is slow, so the car won’t get much damage, secondly if you pull a Rosberg/Schumacher it would be too obvious cause everyone knew about that trick already.
He should've crashed at turn 15, 16 putting the car on bareer
@@bokebryant3985by crashing this way you're potentially risking gearbox and even engine damage. That means replacement and penalty grid positions.
@@csiny88 There is no penalty for simply changing gearbox, you only get penalized if you go over the allocated amount. Perez did change gearbox in Monaco and no penalty came from it.
Just checking, you are all aware that the onboard telemetry isn’t properly synced to the cars, aren’t you?
A major annoyance with the broadcasting at the moment is that when the World Feed switches from a trackside camera looking at a driver to the onboard camera of that driver, the onboard images are delayed?
The eagle-eyed amongst you will notice that when the director changes from showing trackside camera looking at a car, or 2 cars battling, to going onboard with 1 of those drivers, you appear to jump back in time slightly as the onboards have a delay in them, whilst annoyingly, the telemetry they display either on the Halo, or just on screen, isn’t delayed, so the telemetry data doesn’t match either the sounds of each downshift, or the pictures showing the rev lights on the steering wheel & the display of what gear the car is in on the wheel.
The telemetry data is ahead of what we are hearing & seeing on the steering wheel, showing the driver accelerating before they actually are accelerating, and the gear display graphics are wrong compared to what the car is actually doing.
A few years ago, while Riccardo was with Renault, he touched another driver at turn 4, just as we see the contact from the trackside camera, and a piece of carbon fibre begin to flick up, the director cut to being onboard Ricciardo, which due to the delay in onboard pictures) showed the contact begin again.
Having made those points, I’m not saying that the telemetry display explains away Perez’s qualifying crash, however, you must bear in mind that it isn’t properly level with the actions of the car. Neither here with @yelistener’s improvised graphics, or the official FOM telemetry graphics.
from my personal observations i personally think this is what happened
in the first lap perez' apex speed was 86 kmh
on his second lap, perez slowed down to 77 kmh even before hitting the apex, at which point he blipped the throttle
my assumption is he either felt some understeer and wanted to shift the balance of the car slightly, to turn it in better. or that he wanted to get some more speed in as the next part of a track is a pretty high speed section and since every millisecond can mean the difference between pole and not pole, i think he was trying to push and did too much
as for my reason why he didnt fully countersteer, my assumption is that he either decided to keep his steering straight hoping his back tyres could catch grip before hitting the barrier, or that he didnt anticipate the amount of spin he'd get and by the time he's in the wall it was too late (yes f1 drivers have insane reflexes but monaco is well known for its unforgiving nature)
in all while it does look really weird, i highly doubt perez would risk his seat over a p3 start, considering max was well into the championship fight at this point
looking back did this give perez the opportunity to win? yes
but without ferrari's awful strategy decisions he wouldnt even have been close to trying for a win, and i dont think perez can predict that ferrari will have the strategy they had
in the end i dont think this is deliberate, but a stupid mistake (this isnt the first time a red bull driver made a mistake on a quali lap after all)
and even if deliberate, max decided to let perez help him the rest of the year and the moment his championship is solidified then he suddenly decides to go back to a thing that happened almost 6 months ago? i find that very strange especially if you outweigh this time to all the times perez did massively help max
overall, unless max/red bull come out with an official statement as to the reasoning and we get definetive proof of what happened, i dont believe this was the reason why
Great couple of this videos about the controversy! It is absurd for Checo to trigger a red flag on purpose to lock a P3 position. On his Q3 2nd flying lap he is going for it, you can see him locking up at 1:01, 2 turns before the crash
maybe he was on a genuin lap until he locked up then decicded to rig quali.
This is basically how the drivers spin the car if they go off track and need to turn the car around.
Probably the only time Checo thought of himself first before his teammate and yet Verstappen felt like he hasn't had a great teammate all this time.
He was in discussion for contract extensions I guess during Monaco
@@shirishjadav1462 no, just signed before Monaco.....
Max never requested something from PER. The team did................ so PER listened to the team, not to Max.......... "no fighting" messages, when on different straegies, being way slower, is normal for a team...... Why hold the faster guy up?
@@shirishjadav1462 yeah there was a comment that maybe he signed his contract too quickly after his win at Monaco
People act like Max demands help from Checo. The whole request is done by team. Max aint like Lewis to publicly beg Valtteri to help him for the title like he did last year.
I think he did not crash on purpose but only wanted to gain a higher exiting speed at T8.
Perez throttled at T8 when he saw the apex. Ideally, that would result in an increasing speed in a straight line towards the apex and it would be easier to build up higher exiting speed at the T8 exit. But unfortunately that was not the result as he turned too early and lost control of the car.
Also, would he foolish to give your closest rivals at the time (Ferrari) a head start by giving them a front lockout. I’ve seen several similar footages over the years that have resulted in a crash, especially at Monaco. People need to realise Palmer himself isn’t a a scientific expert and is no bigger than the FIA. Also, he is the driver who didn’t give up a position and give the position back to Alonso.
Whether or not it was purpose, that still gives Max no reason whatsoever to behave the way he did. Max showed who he really is like endless times and it showed he holds grudges against people in general, which is childish and he needs to grow up. He along with his biased fans forget how many times Perez has moved aside for him, as well as helping him win what was a gifted title caused by human error and think how many points Red Bull gained by having illegal parts to the car last year and their cheating gave them a huge advantage over their rivals this year.
I pray and hope Mercedes continue to build on their recent recovery and momentum and Ferrari get their act together when it comes to strategy because us genuine fans want extra competition and fair and square racing.
He clearly was pushing harder than the lap before you can see a little lock up in the previous corner. I think checo didn't do it on purpose he helped max and the team on many occasions.
Checo carried an extra 10kmh of speed through the corner in his first lap and may have been trying to make up for that
If you try to make up speed you just lay LIGHTLY on the the throttle, like 7-10%, not from 0 to 100%
or maybe you just dont know what happens to pretty much every race car, when you slam throttle, while steering and beeing on the brake. checo most likely know that it will end up in a guaranteed spin.
there is like a 10 kmh difference when he enters that corner (crash lap and flying lap) plus I think there was significant difference in time. The corners are really slow and seems like an eternity when you enter T8 and when you can start accelerating. I think Perez jumped the gun. However it is odd that he went full throttle trying to exit the turn, when you clearly need a paced acceleration.
The reason you need to pace acceleration is a camber switch on track. I raced on it with superkart once. Crew warned me on comms before hitting T8 on first lap. I nearly spun because of underestimation of gradient...
It runs3 degrees right leaning and goes 5 or 6 degrees left leaning. It causes lack of grip. But checo would know that
exactly. To me what's more odd is how he went on the throttle, not just when. Obviously it's way too early to be going on the throttle in that section, you should be braking, but maybe he thought he was going in too slow into the corner and wanted to get a little on the throttle to compensate. That seems reasonable enough, but what i can't comprehend is why he would go full throttle there. It wasn't even a smooth transition into full throttle, he just opened the gas suddenly at the worst time possible.
I don't really believe he would wanna crash on purpose. That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. He didn't have the fastest lap time, and he could easily damage the suspension, gearbox, or even the engine, which going into the race is less than favourable. Still, this accident happened under very weird circumstances
Much slower at the entry. Maybe just looking for a small push and a little of rear extra rotation? In any case how much did he help max?
What this video doesn't mention is how fast (or slow) he was going between the two laps. He was much slower going in during his crashed lap, so my guess is that he wanted to pick up some more speed in preparation for the upcoming straight. He's at around 76-77 compared to mid 80's.
If he wanted to "pick up more speed" why was he hard on the brakes when he floored it? There was zero input from either pedal at that point on his fast lap, he coasted into the corner. On his crash lap, he was hard on the brakes and the throttle. It was deliberate. That's what the telemetry shows.
He was slower on that corner beacuse he knew that he would spin, he didn't want to break his car. 100% deliberate in my opinion
No, he knew he would have overtaken by Max on lap time so he decided to lose his car control.
@@kohikappu for a p3?
@@mikemelina7395 unlike the throttle input, the telemetry doesn’t show how much brake is applied, it only shows he’s braking or not (on/off). But take the braking thing away, just look at the throttle, it’s definitely a deliberate crash, if the data is accurate.
It's important to remember that Max said "I told you guys last summer..." So it cannot be Monaco by itself.
Monaco 2022 was taken part of the championship before last summer! So if it been held by the start of the season his words are seem to be true. So what’s your point mate ?
He seems a bit closer to the guard rail at the inside when he crashed, he turned pretty early on.
But why not set it up for a front wheel and not risk gearbox failure
He actually turned in later on the crash lap than the previous lap. The car was unsettled, he was understeering, gave it a bit of Welly to try and bring the rear round and misjudged it. It's not a conspiracy.
@@soeren72 Easier to get suspension damage which would likely require a pit lane start.
Balls, checo is not a cheat. We dont need no evidence, the man is a true friend and the best team mate Max could ever have.
For me, the weird thing is not only the aggressive, mis-timed blip, but also while he was standing on full brakes. That's a guarantee to make the car swap ends, like doing a donut. Either way I still think max is being petty considering all Checo did for him and the fact that this WDC is already his.
The telemetry for brakes isnt really accurate. Itll show brake application even when they just lift.
Yeah, I remember back when I used to sim race that pressing full throttle instantly instead of gently or gradually (fast) in a powerful car was a guaranteed spin.
Now analyze the dutch gp 22 when Checo suddenly lost the car just before the Mercedes were about to snatch pole.
2:16 Comparing where he was on the track in the crashed vs the normal lap, he's too much to the left in the bad lap, so he tried to compensate nudging to the right and throttling, but went too deep in the pedal and the car spun.
It wasnt too deep. He went full throttle
I guess Checo on the crashed scene was in a different race line than the normal scene you can check that second 2:11 and you will notice he made something wrong from the beginning.
I think he made a mistake by taking that chicane at 2:11 from the outside which gave him the illusion that he is capable of taking the next chicane faster and when he tried to press the accelerator pedal, the wheels turned, which led to the scene that we saw.
Take a look at the brakes, you will find that he was pressing for a longer period before going through the turn at the crashed scene.
his job was on the line at this time, i truly doubt he’d purposely jeopardize his RB career just to screw over max
Well done. Yes, it was interesting. In the end, Max didn't have anything to lose to let Checco through at Brazil. That's a tough one to take.
In the end Checo didn't have much to gain either. Still would have been 3rd cos he failed at Abu Dhabi, yet again.
@@bjrnchrstn yeah, it's right, checo couldn't win in Max-Bull, Leclerc won because of Max don't work as a teammate
@@Ferd_R1 you Mexican are so deluded man
Another thing: At the same time that he slammed the gas pedal, he does the same thing in the brake pedal, as he knew that he would spun and didn't want to hit hard the barrier.
The brake telemtry only shows if the brake pedal is pressed or not. Doesnt matter if its pressed down 15% ot 60% or a 100% it will always just show that its fully pressed
Perez never reacts to save the spin, that and the throttle stab are dead giveaways it was intentional. A class driver intending not to crash, would counter steer almost instinctively as soon as they felt the rear stepping around
he slammed the gas as he was 10 kmph lower(77) than his previous lap(86), which caused the crash.. this is manual error.
He probably did that on purpose because he just blipped the throttle, If he did that to get a better exit off the corner he would have interfered and tried to counter steer.
i think it would be expected to see abnormal telemetry in a crash, especially if due to a mistake. i think we can see i this video the reason he crashed and its bc of throttle application in a low speed corner - but doesn’t mean much beyond that. great video!
What is also weird is that he doesn't let go of the brake in the lap that he crashes. It does look like as if he never had in mind to make the corner.
We discussed this in our latest video! This went from a theory to pretty concrete evidence
For me it's the pretty much simultaneous full brake, as if he already knew beforehand that he was gonna do this & needed to make sure to make the crash as soft as possible as to not damage his gearbox or something else important.
What about the other 2 times Max refused to let his team mate retake the position, before Checo was at Red Bull
you're talking about a teenager lol
You also need to compare how he counter steering wheel when he got oversteer. Seems like he is not surprise with that oversteer based on his reaction.
Because that short squeeze of throttle was to rotate the car. Thus he wasn’t surprised by the slide but he gave too much throttle and rotated the car too much.
@@Michael-pi8ps No F1 driver is going to use full throttle just to rotate the car through a corner.
@@Michael-pi8ps You know rotate and slide is different feeling when you racing. :D
Two reference point about crashing in Monaco:
Purposely: MSC 2006
Accidentally: LEC 2021
This thing is falling in between them so really hard to tell
I think this is him trying a different philosophy of slower corner entry, earlier throttle input mixed with the frustration of a poor first sector causing him to become over ambitious like when Max knew he'd lost the lap in Jeddah with the lockup but still tried flooring the throttle and hit the wall.
The why was on the brakes so hard when he floored it? Look at the side-by-side telemetry and concentrate on the pedal positions at 2:16-17 in the video.
While it does indeed seem very suspicious, it's just too strange and illogical to me for it to have been intentional. Risks far outweighed the rewards. To me, it's just a silly mistake to me. Unless somebody can show he's got form for this (like when drivers were accusing Max of being far too aggressive in his early seasons, which was very true and there was plenty of evidence for it), then I won't blame Perez for this.
yes, but the "why do this for P3" argument loses steam when you remember he was able to turn this into P1 in the race.
@@defenda1 how was he to know Ferrari strategy would be so bad? They were still doing good in the season at that point
@@hallamhal Checo wasn't doing this for pole/win. He was just trying to beat Max. Especially after what happened in Spain.
at that time checo was still in the hunt for championship, probably, he just want to make sure he would finish ahaed of max in monaco where max wouldnt able to pass him