Gateway Desktops: Can we resurrect them?
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
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Gateways in desktop form-factor? Yes please!
0:00 Intro
0:10 System 1 Tour - Gateway E-3400
1:35 S1 Disassembly and inspection
5:04 S1 Refreshy
9:49 S1 Drives and things
13:13 S1 PSU testing
15:53 S1 De-dust and re-assembly
17:31 S1 Testing
19:07 S1 Motherboard repair
21:11 S1 Testing (For real this time)
30:40 S1 Cleanup and verdict
31:36 System 2 Tour - Gateway P5-166
32:38 S2 Disassembly and inspection
35:48 S2 Refreshy
37:26 S2 Drive stuff
39:14 S2 Testing
41:28 S2 Verdict
41:50 Outro
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If they were VARTA branded, this guy could almost restore the brand's reputation.
I know why you find it so satisfying when those caps fall out: it’s because they’re usually a nightmare to desolder on boards like this! That desoldering alloy is some magic stuff.
4:11 I can confirm Gateway did sell to the enterprise during this era. They had mixed success doing so, but they did indeed try. Also, regarding Crucial memory in the machine, it's probably not original. If memory serves, Gateway did use Micron memory, but it was Micron-branded, not Crucial-branded.
0:50 I'd bet that this machine was release near the introduction of windows 2000 and it probably complied with the minimum hardware requirements, thus the "Designed for Windows2000" sticker. But it probably shipped with Windows98 and most likely an upgrade voucher, which would explain the product key sticker on the side.
It's so funny to catch myself when I'm watching your videos. I'm like totally mesmerized with my jaw hanging open (maybe a little drool) just cuz I'm so captivated. Anyways, I love it and I always learn so much. Thanks again. Keep em coming, they never get boring.
This is exactly how I feel watching these videos. I live that he takes time explaining things, although I grew up doing all this and I’m probably 10-15 years older than Mike. It’s very nice to see someone his age very interested in these machines. 😊
Same here, but also because he is very nice to look at 😂
@@nwmusic2010yes, yes, and yes. I bet he gives good hugs
After a quick glance at the socket 7 pinout diagram I noticed that the missing pin is a VSS pin and there are 9 more after that. It should work without it.
I can totally believe XP SP2 in 2011... when I got my IT support job in 2012, I inherited a room full of HP Vectra VLs (P4 1.5-1.7 GHz), complete with - you guessed it - XP SP2, their stock 256 megs of PC133 SDRAM and an antivirus that would have required about that much RAM by itself. They were _SLOOOOW._ You bet that I ordered a bunch of memory and updated them in short order, which turned them into actually decent office / surfing machines. As they went out of service the RAM got redistributed, so that the one system I kept for nostagia's sake should have 1.25 gigs in it if memory serves. Several got given away to see further productive use, actually.
When I was in college, we had an entire lab of the Gateway P5-166 machines. Yeah, the ES1370/1371 were the AudioPCI from Ensoniq. I had a bunch for Windows NT workstations. I’d sit and listen to MIDI songs on them for hours while I was studying for exams and they sounded amazing.
Since it's atx form factor would be nice to install my dual Pentium 3 setup in it. And change the front face with a 3d printed one to use a normal dvd drive.
@@plainsabertooth7828you could probably get away with that setup but just keep in mind to keep the heat under control because there’s not really much airflow in those cases. Remember, the only real fan was the one from the power supply. You could probably add some front mounting holes for a 80 mm fan for the front next to the 5.25” slot.
@@dlinkster yeah I have a 200w version of that power supply as well since it's required for the motherboard minimum atleast.
Your passion for what you do really shines through in your videos.👍
Thanks Mike! It's a pleasure watching you tackle these old machines (and exploring the hard drives, if we're lucky).
And why do I enjoy watching you solder stuff so much? I don’t know what it is, but I thoroughly enjoy your videos. To be honest, I will rewatch some videos just to hear your voice.
man I would like to have a gateway like the first one here love the case design
It's too bad that the Gateway2000 doesn't work. I wish I had saved my parents' gateway 2000 Pentium towers. Or really any of their vintage PCs that I grew up around. I appreciate you taking the effort to save and fix up these vintage PCs.
This is the best channel ever. I've sat here for hours now watching you take apart and fix old PCs. Blast from the past. Makes me miss the 90's and early 2000's computers, right when I got into building them. The only thing I hate about your videos is that there isn't more of them for me to watch.
Gateways were impressively serviceable back in the day. I remember going to the Gateway Store as a kid.
"Didn't wait for me to hit the power button. Rude." That was one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. Keep up the good work!
I have to agree with a lot of other people here Mike, your videos are so entertaining, they’re never boring and I love the humour in them - they’re awesome! 👍🏻
That bare chip on the P3 and heatsink tabs brings back memories of horrible anxiety! 😅
These Gateway systems where really well built, in terms of quality and design. Too bad they sometimes used the kinda Dell-ish proprietary parts they put in this 1st one. But damn, in 2000 they knew how to design very convenient PC cases !
So much fun working on these old systems! Great to see you brought the gateway back to life with those capacitors
There's something about your videos that I like but don't know what it is! I hope someday you could show us the second motherboard fixed
That weird AGP card is part of the NLX form factor. One of many attempts to 'improve on' ATX plenty of 1st gen quadro cards especially from ELSA were available in this form factor.
Not just NLX but also LPX.
They were made that way for a while, but the best you can find is some GF 256 (SDR) Cards, such as the ELSA ERAZOR X.
After that the GPU Manufacturers stopped making them this way.
Yeah, totally an NLX system. I've got a few DEC machines with the same sliding motherboard situation (though with two levers instead of one) and same shape I/O shield. The pinout for the riser is supposed to be standardized so in theory I could take the motherboard out of a Venturis FX-2 and stick it in that Gateway case and it would work. I believe IBM and Compaq built some NLX machines too.
Lots of IBM Desktop PCs (The 300 series) had it as well.
Lol kind of funny you found so casually an LS120 drive while @mac84 got a full system for one and it was missing.
Nice tip about the triangle logo, now I will have something new to look for when rummaging through old systems.
Nice video like always.
So good! Not a lot of channel let you enjoy the full content without ever touching the controls. Yours is a very smooth and nice approach to the job! Thanks a lot for sharing your passion here! Greetings, M
Great as always, Mike, and I love the humor! Thanks for another great video.
It all makes so much sense, now. Your channel is just a marketing front for Big CR-2032
Well I guess the cat's out of the bag now!
Don't be so scared of cleaning the LS-120 drive if you need to in the future- I have been using a USB one as an external floppy (on Windows 7 and 10) for 7+ years now, and had no issue when cleaning it upon arrival in order to get the drive working fully. In addition to reading & writing 120MB and 1.44MB disks, it should also be able to format a 1.44 as 2.88MB.
Really cool seeing these machines- I love the desktop form factor and wish it had remained popular for modern systems.
The LS-120 does not support 2.88 MB disks, nor does it support formatting a 1.44 MB disk to 2.88 MB. It does support 720k disks, but not 400-800k GCR encoded Macintosh format disks.
The lesser known LS-240 successor had the capability to "over format" a normal 1.44 MB DSHD floppy to a capacity of 32 MB, but it had several caveats. First, it required a special driver and special software that only works on Windows 9x. Second, once data was written to the disk, it could not be altered without rewriting the entire disk. Third, since the format made data tracks orders of magnitude smaller than they were ever designed for, the possibility of data loss was extremely high. Any tiny imperfection or discrepancy would cause massive data corruption. And finally, this special format required an LS-240 drive and the special driver to work, making the large formatted disk rather useless since it was incompatible with everything else.
The special 120/240 MB disks are also mostly useless these days, since Microsoft hasn't properly supported the drive since the 9x era. I have a small stash of LS-120 disks and they don't work correctly on anything beyond Windows ME. Modern Linux also doesn't properly support the large disks either, and frustratingly, LS-120 support is bugged. If you attach the drive to an IDE controller, the kernel driver doesn't work. It only seems to work if you have a USB to IDE adapter, or a pure USB drive.
@@GGigabiteM I can actually confirm that the 120MB disks do work perfectly well in Windows 10, but I only have tried using the USB version of the LS-120 drive and haven't had access to a LS-240 to test.
@@zantuforevers91 There must be something special about the USB version of the drive. None of my IDE LS-120 drives work in anything past 9x for the 120 MB disks. If I try to mount the disk, I either get a format error, or explorer crashes.
20:50 most satisfying part of the video!
Great stuff. I love your videos!
Great stuff Mike 👍🏻 Thanks again for the content. Cheers 🍻
The PIII system was marketed as a business machine. In '99 I worked on a project at a plant which used Gateway systems. Gateway's corporate customer support slipped a bit in quality at that time, then we switched over to Dell systems. We had one of those "pizza box" desktops which had a bent chassis, and PCI cards would unseat themselves over time and cause problems. We would call support, and they would send us every part except for the metal chassis. We asked for a replacement system, and they kept running us through circles. Our manager got mad enough to cancel further orders then we switched over to Dells. We had no problems with the towers, just the low profile desktops.
You always have the best videos. Thank you.
Awesome! I love the watch 😉
Love the channel. I never miss an episode. 😎
Mike, your quips made my day! Thank you for another amazingly-well-produced video. 😀
Another fine video, sir.
Love the vids and that you’re fam. Keep it up bub.
Always a good day when you post a video :)
Yay, another MikeTech video, complete with a SuperDisk drive!
Great video Mike! ❤
nice video man
Oh nice tip with the magic eraser, I didn't know that! Thanks!
Pozdrawiam z Polski , super video 🤩
I worked for a college in the mid to late 1990s, and we also had computer labs full of Gateways. I always hated working on them because I almost always came away bleeding from the sharp edges on cases. I even had a couple where ribbon cables got damaged by the cases. This case looks much, much more well made than those.
Love watching you work on these old beasts.
i know the sunday will be good when there is a new MikeTech video
I think I have watched every one of your videos so far, and I'm used to your little asides making me laugh. But I almost choked when you said that you were now "pre-athsmatic" in this one. Totally unexpected! Also, I want to say that you are working on the same systems that I learned my job working on. I now manage the technicians who do what you do, and I truly miss those days. Thank you so much for your videos! I honestly love them so much
Lenovo and Dell workstations and servers are the only systems I can remember that are easy to take apart without having to "fiddle" too much with trial and error. I would be confused by that first Gateway.
Enterprise-grade Dells are a dream to work on, especially rackmount PowerEdge servers.
Another awesome video Mike! I think we had Gateway computers down under in Australia but I never got to see one. An interesting construction! Cheers
Use chkdsk from the command line under NT based systems as the closest analog for scandisk. Gives more info as well :).
Wow old Gateways. I worked on a few when the school was waiting to get the iMacs in. Some teachers brought in their own home systems. Funny how most of them were Gateways. One thing that always struck me about Gateway stores was the cow logo. I like the first system you worked on. The way it came apart was cool. I liked the look of it.
Too bad you couldn’t get the second system going. I saw the problem when the pin when you opened it up to explore what was wrong. I bet those wipes are mostly tee tree oil. Nothing else has that distinct smell. I know it is used for many things.
Once again there goes that unique sense of humor you have. You always give me s good chuckle!
happy new year MikeTech!
Hey Mike good video mate hope all is well sir
Another great video Mike, thank you. Will we see builds or those fabled motherboard repairs you've mentioned in the past? 😅
Won a Gateway CX210X in 2006. Still using it now. Gateway made some great computers.
coming back to watch this later... i Really like the desktop form factor... and kind of miss it
My first PC was a Gateway 2000 486 with Windows 3.1. Always had a special place in my heart for Gateway
Same.
OMG yay another video gateway i had one of there desktop computers like that except ours was longer
Of all the computers I've ever had apart, that's the 1st time I've ever seen a socket failure!
i always press down on the heatsink lever and pry the hook with a flathead.
Vibrating hard drive mounted practically flush with a vibrating PSU, hoo boy.
"Get the full nutbar experience." Funny, my acquaintances say the same of me.
I love all his little quips and innocent sounding innuendos. Heheh
Good video Mike. I hope you can source some Super Disks to test and get that Socket 7 replaced. I don't think I've ever heard of that Super Disk drive before so that was neat.
The odd cd rom drives are easily replaced, that grey plastic that the faceplate pops into is removable and you remove the front of the drawer from the new cd rom or dvd and swap them. Kewl video! New fan here!
Glad to see something made in Thailand (PSU)
For baked on crusty thermal compound, I'd recommend CRC Lectra Clean. It will melt the thermal compound away. Just don't get it on any case plastic, or LCD screens because it will instantly etch and discolor them.
Nice video! i've always wanted a gateway desktop when I was a kid but could only afford non-brand builds at the time. On an unrelated note, I've just realized that you look almost exactly like Jay Bauman from Red Letter Media during his "Captain America" period 😅
Outstanding as usual. You forget how versatile XP was. It was designed when many people were still running Pent2 systems. I was surprised it was a legit upgrade. Many of us were using pirated XP that stayed away from SP2. Bummer with the 2nd Gateway. I was amazed at how clean it was on the inside. I remember having that model and the funky cd door on the front. Glad you liked the chloroform wipes. They do work very well. Usually one will clean off the cpu and heat sink and then some.
Chloroform wipes 🤣🤣 I may have inadvertently reverse-engineered them. It’s either eucalyptus or tea tree oil. I’ll have to get a hold of some and do a test. You’ve certainly enhanced my heatsink-cleaning technology!
Nice resurrection as always. Just today I saved an old computer from going into the trash. It booted in Windows 95!
Nice vid I have a p5-90 .
You have to love those old Gateways. too bad about the 2nd one, but i found three on the e-Bay just like it . Overpriced as usual and with broken cd-rom tray covers. Thanks for the video
That first Gateway probably shipped with Windows 2000 standard, but was configured to order with Windows 98. The front badges were possibly pre-applied from their case manufacturer, and the COA applied by Gateway based on what was actually ordered. Maybe this was a business Machine ordered but a consumer, or maybe it was ordered but a business that hadn’t moved to 2000 yet…
Aha, makes sense. We did something similar at a company I worked for in the Windows 8 days. Had our Dell rep order them with Win7 instead because nobody liked Win8 (especially me).
Good luck with the on call duty. Those are always.. fun
hey mike, i really enjoy watching your videos, i love this period of PCs in general! one comment from my side, not to school you or anything, just from another tech nerd - its a shame you did not try to boot system 2, before you first time removed the cpu from the socket. it was indeed really strange that there was some force on a zif-socket - so my guess is, it really was like this from factory, but i am very sure it did work, the bend pin did connect in right way in that position, for however how long. the really dmg did occure when you did pull it out and try to fix it, that is my guess. but we never can know, i would have loved to see the systems behavior before you started disemsembling it!
keep going and take care, hard times ahead of us
best regards,
michael from bavaria in southern germany
System 2s PSU is a standard SFX type of the time.
They had the Fans on top, now they have them integrated.
They are now MUCH MUCH smaller than that.
I remember when my elementary school got outfitted with a whole fleet of those gateway E-3400. I was like 5 or 6 at the time. Those were good days. lol
NS Tech was an OEM that made cables for Dell, HP as well as Gateway don't know if they are still around or not but several Early to Mid 2000's Dell Dimensions used NS Tech cables. Also some Compaq Deskpro's the ones with Pentium II's from 266-400Mhz had that same strange style of video card in them was also an Ati card but it was a Rage Pro Turbo. Very difficult indeed to install another video card into them. Really a huge hassle it seems that Gateway wasn't the only one to go with that odd way of holding in the video card.
Fresh from the Pasture to the desktop! 🤣
A satisying video.
I had that p1 Gateway, lots of AoE1 and AOL on that bad boy.
Oh you are cuuuuuuute-no no, I'm totally subscribing for the retro computers 😇
My family had a Dell Dimension 4100 with a 933 Mhz Pentium 3 with 256mb of Ram and XP that we somehow used till 2011 when , we finally upgraded to a windows 7 computer, i have that computer and the inside, other than being dusty was in perfect condition with no bad caps yet, and its 20gb HDD was really full too. before this we really just used a custom built windows 95/98 machine i believe
The 1st style case was everywhere for me in 2000. The labs at my college had them and the call center I worked at had them. The call center ones put up with a ton of abuse.
I'm in love 🥰
In the mid-90s I worked for Chemical Bank in New York. Chemical was a Gateway 2000 shop. I can tell you that Gateway had an extensive enterprise division. And, yes, they shipped hardware to the enterprise in their famous black spotted cow cartons.
System 1's power supply fan made a creepy noise before you reoiled it. That would have terrified me if I had a power supply making that noise.
I had that second system back then, on loan from a friend. Around 1999 I think. Great machine with Win98se
Nice job
I really liked these because they had dual hardware serial ports 9 pin on the main board😊
I had a pentium 2 gateway desktop and it was really fast for what it was, it was one of the cow pattern logo cases and really smart looking, similar to the first PC
NS-Tech are an MSP based in IL according to Google, so that lends further credence to the theory that the first machine being from an office environment!
might be possible to find a scrap board to pull s socket pin from which will get tricky to unsolder and well solder in the replacement wiper
I was an early adopter of the Iomega Zip drive and when the LS-120 drives came out, I really wanted one but I stuck with my Zip drives until it finally died.
I have had bad caps cause that issue before, well, nearly. The system would get as far as the blue logon splashscreen of Windows 98, it would render half the screen, and then lock up.
That was a slotted Pentium II system. Replaced one leaky cap, and worked like a charm.
I have had some success with CRC contact cleaner for removing old thermal pads.
it looks so easy to service ^_^
Nice to see an NLX FOrm Factor Board.
The Card inside you can upgrade with others, its not too hard to find. However, the best you can do is maybe some Geforce 256 (SDR) Cards like the ELSA Ones, as they stopped making cards with that Layout.
Matrox G400, 3dfx Voodoo 3 2000 are other Cards that should fit, thoguh you have to swap the I/O Shield.
Awesome :)
It might be an idea to cut the fan label like a flap, ie, keep it attached, that way you can read the specs if you have to replace it.
I remember using these gateway computers in 2000's in middle school running windows XP It was pretty decent at the time
If that first system was being used as a shipping computer, then it easily was being used until it finally went bad, which was caused by those caps going bad. A lot of businesses and especially government places are like that, lower priority hardware doesn't get replaced until it absolutely has to. At my workplace, I handle the shipping, and the computer I was using was some Acer SFF brick with a Celeron and Win 8.1. Finally had to be replaced when the newest version of UPS Worldship refused to be installed on Win8.1; now I have an ASUS brick with an 11th gen I5 and Win11 :-)
23:54 Sound card works 😆