Separate Tools vs. Custom Multitool for EDC - Was I WRONG?
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I wish victorinox would just let you choose your loadout like building a subway sandwich
For some reason they are so against the idea they actually say so on their site. Seems like a not very smart position, they could easily charge 100 euros for a custom build.
We definitely need more toothpick replacement options! Great idea. Please sell them.
Your video proves that Victorinox really know the market and will never make the exact product that people want. So many purchases…
Ha, I know. I just wish I started with my missed Cybertool and skipped all the rest
or they do know that we will purchase 12 versions to find the right one, and thus they make 12 sales on each customer
@@davidclark744 Ha, very true. The main reason I do these videos is to hopefully help people avoid all the missteps I made along the way and just get to what they need because it's a waste for sure
PLEASE SELL THE LEATHERMAN TOOTHPICK DRIVER! LOL😂
Yes. But please send worldwide
For me, I find that the hook is one of the more useful tools in my Vitorinox. I can understand that a lot of poeple don't have a need for it, but I find it useful for pulling super-tight on lines, wires, and other items.
As always, a great video!
Did you see the video by Ben on "Convergence vs. Divergent thinking?" Super good.
I did! I think we’re brothers from another mother. I almost used “convergence” in the title but wasn’t sure if that was too obscure a reference. Thanks for all your videos, I learn a lot from what you do.
@@todd.parker Me 3, Thanks guys!
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Ben Vallack?
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I really like both the individualized kit and the custom SAK. But what I really love is the toothpick/mini screwdriver replacement!!
I didn't even realize I needed a custom Swiss Army knife in my life, but now I do. Thanks Todd(?)!
Heh, stop watching my videos now or you'll end up buying a lot more tools. Good to hear from you, hope you're well!
The Cybertool has been my EDC for over 20 years now, I love it and use it every day
Beautiful video, beautiful concepts. I find myself with a similar set of problems regarding my EDC. Your original video is what inspired my current micro EDC. The 3D printed toothpick mod is genius....put those bad boys on the market. Well done!👏🏽👍🏽
Thanks so much!
@@todd.parker Also love the toothpick idea. If you have a design for 58mm and 65mm I'll be down to buy a few!
@@tanvach I actually wish victorinox or any other brands thinks about scale mini tools.
Victorinox at least have a few but the rest is lacking though....
There is a lot of areas multitools or other tools can actually store things.
Sometimes there is micro bits, 4mm or a pick or a nail or tweezers or even a sliding tool.
There is soooo much that can be done here.
Great looking custom sak. I really like your 3d printed replacement piece.
Thanks for video! That's exciting .
That presentation was VERY well done. Lots of innovation!
Thanks!
Amazing concept and video thank you
Cybertool S or M paired with a Knipex Cobra 125(in a slip) has been the "base layer" of my edc for 3+ years now.
Match those with pen, light, pry, and knife. Definitely makes for a pretty handy on body carry.
Admittedly I'm usually on or around a construction site so the weight factor for me in a heavier pair of pants/jeans/denim isn't as much of a concern.
Superb. Common sense and the technical so well explained thanks 👌
Glad you liked it
I like a good multitool as much of the next guy but I generally like the individual setup better. I often find it more useful to be able to break up/hand out a knife or driver than having it all in one
Yeah that was my point at the end. Separate tools are always going to be better and more flexible but there's a case for compromising for convenience. I have both and just switch as needed
I think it’s good to think in terms of context kits. A backpack kit, a car kit, kitchen kit, a hand tool kit, a work kit, etc.
For pocket carry, it’s definitely nicer to just have 2-3 well chosen tools, than one of those pocket protectors full of gadgets IMHO.
Thanks to your video last year I went the other way. I stopped carrying my Cybertool L and prior to that the M.
I also do need pliers regularly, and the Cyber Tool one is good to pull a brake cable but not so good for slightly tougher bolts.
Also all the Cyber Tools have one big disadvantage: You can only use the screwdriver up to about 5NM of torque. I tested it. I didn't dare to put more torque as I felt the chassis would bend.
I often need quite a bit of torque for my vintage bikes.
I have tweaked my Cybertools by adding a small magnet so that they accept other 4mm precision bits. I haven't invented it, that workaround has been around for some time. The zrick is to use tiny ones up to 2mm maybe 3mm height. That way, the normal Cyber Tool bits still click in.
That means however carrying those other additional 4mm bits separately. I have used these small cylindrical aluminium pill containers and attached those to my Cyber tools key ring. I added a few mini magnets to keep all those bits together.
I also went on a successful quest making adapters to normal 1/4" bits. I even posted a video on my channel detailing my first "hack". My other attempts are far easier to replicate but I never filmed them so far.
... it is overkill.
To open a really tight screw, you might quickly go beyond the capabilities of a Cyber Tool.
I still keep and love my Cyber Tools, but I don't carry them anymore.
Yeah, definitely a low torque driver but I found it works really well around the house. The 711L mini ratchet with extension is definitely stronger though
I want to love this. But there are several problems with that bit driver. Before I state them, I will state that I am fully aware that somehow, no multitool bit driver is great. They all have their different issues that sorta make no sense to have. But lets get into it:
1. This is a problem for numerous reasons. The main one is getting replacement bits will be costly, and difficult, because they are proprietary.
2. You are also stuck to whatever bit types the manufacturers make. Meaning if you want to use this with a screw like a Robertson, not going to happen.
3. This also means that you can't use third party bits even if they are 4mm. Sure you can do a mod, and stick magnets inside the bit driver so you can use 4mm bits, but chances are it wont work great.
4. If the point of a multitool is to be a convenience factor to help you do everyday tasks, and to help you out of a jam when they come up, then using one that is incredibly limited like this seems like kind of a big issue. Especially if you live outside of the USA. In canada, I encounter just as many robertson screws as I do philips. With the cybertool, i can't just carry along a robertson bit and expect it to work.
Overall, again, i know that no bit solution is perfect. they all have their tradeoffs. But it just seems like specialty bit systems like this have more tradeoffs than they're worth. They sacrifice so much.
All solid points. If the default bits work for you, it's a pretty great little system but since you can't use other bits, I agree that's a big downside. The mini rachet and 1/4" bits are a more flexible system because you can dial in exactly what you carry
I repared the left double click of my mouse Logitech M720 Triathlon with my Cybertool L. Now it has a Kaihl Switch. I used the back mini screwdriver 000, the green, too... Bye
That was a well articulated and thought out post. Thank you.
I like keeping things separate and modular--it means I have to plan a bit more before I do something instead of just having everything in one tool, but as someone who bikes most places its also nice to be able to leave stuff behind.
love the idea of the toothpick replacement!
Super inspirational and well made video!
That custom set looks truly awesome.
Greetings from Sweden
Thanks! I have a newer video with all the upgrades/changes I've made
Wow, you got me wanting one of each - great video
Thanks for watching!
Another great video, I’ve been tempted by the custom SAKs as well. I still think you should give the victorinox manager a shot, granted it’s tiny but i think it’s the most feature dense tool they produce. Probably why it’s out of production, but still available in some stores / resale market.
Yeah that’s been on my list for a while, might have to track one down…
I didn’t realize that there were customizers for multi tools. That’s great! I am a special education teacher and blades are a no-no at school: my quick and dirty solution was to break the blade and grind it… 🤷♂️
Yeah, there are quite a few out there. Check instagram and eBay
I have a custom made Cybertool L with a metal file but no saw and no knives (the latter due to ridiculous knife laws), best pocket tool I've ever had.
Cool, I was wondering is a bladeless version would be worth doing.
@@todd.parker Absolutely, if laws or other restrictions apply.
To be honest knifeless should be more available than what we have nowadays...
And yes knife laws.... 😞
I love the overlap between Dom, Ben etc
In this comment section! Amazing to see! I’m finding that a few small, separate tools can be way more effective than a multi tool. Including a SAK. I realised I only use the SAK for tweezers, toothpick and scissors and it’s easy to, as you’ve shown before, have those items separately that work the same as or better than those on a SAK.
Amazing! I’ve been thinking about this exact SAK but couldn’t justify ordering a custom. Thanks for showing what could be done. Now a days I just carry a SAK nail clip since I clip my nails way more often than any other tools (except for the knife) 😅
The SAK nail clippers are really good and you're right - I probably need those more often than a pen, pliers, or maybe even scissors
Always great content, it always gives you pause to think how can I improve my edc, weight, multi tools or separate tools or a combination?
It’s a hard decision, both!
Very good video. Can you recommend a sheath/pocket for the original version of the Bantam Elox? Thanks.
The Bantam Alox is so thin it can fit into a wallet or just disappears in your pocket. A sheath would be much heavier than the Bantam
Thanks for the advice! The thought also came to my mind that any extra pocket would somehow defeat the purpose of that super thin lightweight pockerknife. It fits into my wallet so that is how I am carrying it. I also have a Swisschamp with a leather pocket but that one is just too heavy for edc.
Well thought out!
You've got close to our dream of the perfect tool set!
But every time I think about that I'm afraid that the fun of that journey will be over😅
It’s never over. Just ordered a SAK last night 🤠
@@todd.parker 🫣
The custom sak world is such a fun hobby space to explore. I made my own custom "dragonox cybertool", a 4 layer size, with a 1 handed blade, bit driver, and can/bottle openers. It's a bit chunky, but a great carry
Cool, been trying to build up the courage to try my hand it it
Nice custom multitool 👍🏻 I vote for it 😊 My philosophy is: the tool(s) I can carry effortlessly, and that’s it.
At work, I can only bring a Victorinox Manager (because I wear suits and also the little Victorinox is socially ok).
In the woods or at home, I can carry a bigger multitool, a big folding knife and sometimes even a fixed blade.
In town, a middle size Victorinox and/or a little folding knife.
So, the tool(s) available depends on where I am, how I’m dressed and the moment of the day/week.
Fortunately, all in all, the tool(s) I have at hand are almost always aligned with the needs of the moment 😊
That how you do it right. I don’t like feeling them in my pocket so I’m very particular about weight and how it carries too
Would it be possible to upload the .stl for the leatherman pin holder on Thinigverse?
I can eventually but I’m still refining the model. I had to return my Bambu A1 for the recall so I don’t have a printer for a bit
Fantastic! This is an incredible SAK. Love the decision on the awl. It is one of my fav SAK tools. Can drill a hole or clean up/expand a wide variety of holes in a pinch. I also love that cyber tool bit driver. Wish vic would sell an expansion bit kit. I found a 1/4" hex adapter on Etsy but it doesn't have the ball detent and slips out easily.
This could be self delusion but I've come to appreciate the corkscrew for loosening knots.
100% on more bit options. Have you tried adding a magnet to the bit holder? I should do that because event eh stock bits come out a bit too easily. Hooo boy the good ol' "good for knots", eh?
@@todd.parker I haven't went for the tiny magnets because I'm paranoid to have them around with little kids in the house... Which is odd to say considering I have no issues with having pocket knives at home.
Yeah some commented on how dangerous they are for small children. It’s real.
Is the discotheque really necessary?
I am definitely interested in a holder for the Leatherman driver. Could you make 2 versions, one to replace the toothpick and one to replace the tweezers?
Custom or as close to custom multitool for a compact pocket EDC is great, but the multiple tool pack is also great for a car kit. I've always preferred a multitool for pocket edc, but a car kit edc should definitely carry the tools you have listed. When working on something long term, you need comfort and utility over convenience and portability. Keeping handy tools that are small form factor but capable of being comfortable still when used in your car is a great solution. I rarely travel away from home without my car and I think a multitool will cover those rare moments very well. For everything else there's your car edc.
If a person doesn't have a car, then a backpack with a small pocket to keep that EDC kit should be your daily driver at that point. It never hurts to have a backpack, fanny pack, or sling with useful tools and things.
Makes a lot of sense
Great video, thx!
Please sell the mini screwdriver toothpick. What a great idea!
This EDC thing is interesting...tool kits, knives, hatchets, firearms, bugout bags, water, battery backup, communications (my cellular i-watch backs up my iphone) and on and on. EDC for me is misplaced. Situational carry (SC) is my thinking. Different tools for different adventures, situational. However, a very small everyday core set is appealing and I like learning about new gadgets. So, I'll keep watching your wonderful videos, no matter. Sadly, every small multitool I've had, I eventually misplaced. I seem to have a penchant for misplacement. At this point, I have two tool kits, one in my SUV, one in the basement. I have a set of Robertson bits for my camper that I carry in my vehicle tool kit along with a host of "emergency" type tools. I even carry a Mountain House meal or two in my vehicle. EDC meals on your list?
I like your Situational Carry, it’s similar to the modular approach to EDC. A basic EDC that fits in a pocket with just the bare essentials of what you actually use daily. That’s a module of a bigger EDC that carries items you use every now and then that are useful but not geewiz tacticool items to impress someone in a RUclips video or duplications of other items.
You can have as many modules as you need all the way up to a 72-hour SHTF bugout bag or larger, your needs will dictate this.
I made a Yeoman but with a cybertool driver instead of the Philips, works pretty great. I would maybe prefer the pliers instead of scissors and use a minichamp for the cutting
The end result reminds me a lot of the Gerber Armbar Drive. With better quality and looks, ofc.
What is that hook thing for?
For me it's the Swisstool MX with the ratchet and bit set with extender bar all neatly packed into the leather sheath. I don't notice the weight on my hip! I also have the Leatherman Surge with all of the add ons packed into it's sheath, and the same applies to carrying on my hip. I alternate between the two. Each to their own I guess...😀
I love my Surge but can’t carry it daily. It’s my quick grab and go kit. The Swiss tool looks really nice, been tempted to try one out. I think I have a problem
@@todd.parker Yes you probably do, as do I! It's common amongst us multi tool blokes...😂
I heard that the victorinox toothpick will fit in the tweezer slot of the Leatherman style ps, but will the toothpick driver?
It’s the same size so it should!
@@todd.parker alright I'm buying!
I think you would like the Roxon KS2E as well. Driver, really good scissors, knife and some other tools.
This is exactly what I came to say. K2SE seems to do everything better.
Mostly the 4mm driver is standard for 4mm bits unlike the victorinox who use spécial ball detent bits. And I'm not sure about adding a magnet without breaking the functionnality.
@@afoolishman12 the only downside is you have to keep the bits seperate.
@@woyen88 that’s a fair complaint, but you can also carry any bits you want.
Need that leatherman tooth pick holder joint!!
Yeah! You could contact Felix Immler as he is not only a Victorinox guru that loves such ideas but he also is quite close to their management. Or maybe ask the people from fire ant for help with setting up mass manufacturing etc. This idea is just too good 😊
I recommend the roxon ks2 for a similar toolset without costing so much. I prefer the flatter profile and pocket clip.
I carry the compact, I love everything but the corkscrew and package hook, they are worthless except the file surface on the hook. If they could find a way to replace the corkscrew with a bit driver(I could live with the T handle style) swap the hook for the awl but add the file feature I would call it perfect. I would be willing to carry extra bits in a separate holder and I like your toothpick replacement with the micro driver idea. I think you could still use the modified toothpick for weird situations as well, I definitely don’t pick my teeth with it. I think I mostly use it to set the digital clock in my old truck. Great out of the box thinking by you and your followers.
Good video. Thanks
Cyber Compact is the best custom Victorinox in my opinion. I finally got mine today and I love it. My suggestion would be to replace the toothpick with a FireAnt Firefly fire stick. Also recommend adding a FireAnt wax tinder to the corkscrew. You're all set for most things that may come your way.
What brand is that Rachet and driver?
I cover that kit in detail here: ruclips.net/video/CwMybvn_f9M/видео.htmlsi=kL7aHZf2KQStIeWH
Interesting video. For $160 I want a Benchmade 😂. Sort of where I landed with the leatherman curl. I had thought a gerber armbar slim drive was the ticket for no pliers because I need one hand opening, and a screwdriver, but I need pliers. Absent all the bits you need, it is an option, maybe still an option if you carry extra bits and a victorinox signature or jetsetter with a signature pen scale.
I'd be very interested to have one of your modified Cybertools! like you, I have no interest in the corkscrew, the Phillips bit is much more useful to me.
Great multitool, and even better once modified...
The only thing that i dont like, is that the drivers are no locking. Sometimes i need to do some extra torque, and the drivers close over my fingers.
Yeah, there is a decent amount of tension but that would hurt like heck. I see this as a fairly low torque driver but I've...uh...pushed it
Wow a custom Bantam X, great! A lot of SAK aficionados would love to see Vic release this as a production model but we're not holding our breath.
I was never interested enough in the Compact to get one either, I often carry the Climber and use the small blade more than the larger one, plus I find the flat driver on the can opener can adequately deal with PH2 screws, which the combotool on the Compact can't so easily.
Living in the UK most pliers based multitools are out of the question for EDC for me, as we can't carry locking or fixed blades unless for work or an activity like fishing, camping etc. There is the Leatherman Bond which is nice and I put a pocket clip on mine, but it isn't a ''one and done'' multitool as it lacks scissors which I use a lot, furthermore it's a bit unwieldy for everyday small tasks like opening packages, cutting an apple, or opening a bottle of cold beer.
I too have been carrying separate tools like bit drivers or ratchets, Knipex Cobra XS or other pliers, but still I have to revert to some kind of SAK for the scissors. But other days I just put my Swisschamp in the watch pocket of my jeans, that is my only ''one and done'' multitool.
Recently I've been eyeing up the Cybertool M as it would have the toolset I need for urban EDC - blades, openers/prybars, pliers, scissors, and a bit driver which is better than even the good drivers on the Swisschamp. Also I don't find myself needing a file/hacksaw or woodsaw on a regular basis, and certainly not the fishscaler. Like you I was a bit surprised that there isn't a Cybertool with scissors but no pliers, the Cybertool S has neither, and the M has both.
Yeah the Cybertool is a Goldilocks situation- too big or not enough tools but I love my modded version. You can get the cybercard scissors and carry those - check out my previous video on individual tools I carry for ideas. Thanks!
Have you considered the additional slot in the back scale
of the Victorinox 91mm ? If you are able to create a toothpick
with the correctly orientated head and the shorter length it
would be very popular with SAK people using the regular slot
for other purposes like your screwdriver holder. I definitely would
be interested in acquiring a couple of the screwdriver holders.
That’s a good idea. I haven’t opened up my slot yet on my cybertool but should give it a go
You should put a hex hole in your microdriver holder so you can get a tiny bit more leverage with the bit. Alternatively, there's space under the bit holder and you could print a microdriver to 4mm hex adapter to store under your bits that allows the microdriver to fit in your cybertool.
Also, you could consider dropping the big scissors in favor of an alox classic SD or miniChamp. I find that most things I want to cut can be handled with the smaller scissors and the alox classic is so small and light that it completely disappears until needed.
Thanks for the tips. I experimented with adding a hole to give you some leverage but the bit driver is close to round so there is only like .6mm of grip so it wasn't great. Your idea of finding space under the bit is interesting, I'll look into that.
I carry a wave with full bit kit + a 3 in 1 pen + a pen light on me all the time. Would carry a surge if I had one :D
I encountered the Cyber M 15 years ago and never looked back, I've been carrying one every day ever since. Of course, the scissors alone are worth the M and I use the pliers all the time, as pliers, but as you say , they are glorified tweezers, which I would call near perfect tweezers and I use them as such as often.
About the 4mm hex driver, you can use standard 4mm bits and I modified the 3 bit holders and the driver with 4 tiny magnets to hold them in, so I can add very specific bits as required (U-shaped, triwing, etc...)
great idea with the 3d printed holder for the letterman tool, that can go in instead of the tweezers, which are covered by the pliers. Or you could give the 3d printed part a pointy end to double as a toothpick..
about the selection, the Cyber Tool was the last real serious SAK innovation (or did I miss something, maybe the winemaster...) and is pushing 20 years now (to show you how old it is, they advertised the 4mm bit holder as a driver for those mini PC housing screws to hold down RS232 connectors, which I haven't seen since), so I wouldn't hold my breath for any great new tool layout or, god forbid, new tools on the SAK lineup.
I have encountered RS232 interfaces still to this day.
I work with systems that have a proprietary serial connector on their service port on one side, but the other side is still a RS232.
And so we eother need a laptop that still has a 232 port or a USB converter. (which sometimes are a real pita...)
They never went completely away apart from commercial home users.
The other thing is all the screw in connectors at computers had the same screws holding them in. DVI was a thing for quite long for example.
(and i am very thankfull that the mass of manufacturers went away from them and towards display port, HDMI and Mini-DP for graphics. I hated the little DVI plug screws)
As for inovations by Vic for the pocket knives: the wheel hasn't been improoved much for quite some time too. ;-)
I think if there were a viable enough idea for a tool, they would try it.
(Still though i think they are waiting too long to put the package opener instead of the can opener in a "normal" pocket knife instead of the 3 fancy scaled expensive limited ones)
At least they haven't seemingly lowered the quality standards the same way as a number of customers complain with LM recently.
Excellent 👏🏻Flashlight is redundant given cellphone light.
Thanks! Re: flashlight, there is a massive difference between the A1 and your phone so that’s why it’s earned it’s spot in my pocket but if you can get by without much throw or output, I agree your phone is usually good enough
I find the my watch pocket (5th pocket) can carry a 4-6 oz tool no sweat as long as it is thin enough and no more than 4 to 6 oz and no more than 4.5." In fact, it can easily carry two such tools at a combined 10 oz or so. This opens up a world of possibility. I'm not going to carry one full size Leatherman. But I do carry a Victorinox Ranger (knife, scissors, saw, file) with a NexTool Light Wrench W2 with pliers and 1/4" bit kit. Or a Roxon KS2 Elite (knife, scissors, saw) with a SOG PowerPint (pliers, file, ability to drive 1/4" bits).
I need not one but two of the Leatherman micro driver holder
I have a custom cyber tool lite with a saw and file added as well as a N690co blade from a Spyderco roadie. I have this for smaller tasks and then a custom leatherman ST300M for heavier work
Man, I came *this* close to adding a Spyderco blade to my custom SAK. Still debating if I should do that with one of my other Cybertools because getting the blade out quickly isn't a strong suit
@@todd.parker it’s nice. The roadie blade is a sheepsfoot shape so it gives me different blade options. And unlike a dragonfly or ladybug blade it doesn’t have the big Spidey hole so it doesn’t stick way out when closed. It actually looks like it’s supposed to be there
Good tip. The thickness of their blades was what made me chicken out. Who made your custom SAK?
Toothpick print is beautiful
You could modify the micro driver holder with a hole all the way through so you can pull the driver through it and put the holder back in the slot to use the driver. It may also be possible to make it so the holder pitches the driver when you put it back in the slot.
Good idea, been tinkering with that but hadn’t thought about putting it back into the slot to lock it down
Didn’t know that we could get custom SAK’s. Great video. Look forward to the next one.
Yeah, it's kind of a secret community and some models have multiple year waiting lists and do super expensive builds. Both the guys I used are much more low key and work fast
I tried modding a cybertool M to have a magnetic bit driver but I ended up with a bit driver full of tiny magnets and no good way to remove them
That’s been my fear
I don't drink wine either, but the small flathead is quite important to me for my glasses and sunglasses.
And i have used the corkscrew for other things, mainly "poking tasks" and getting stuck little rocks out of my shoesoles as well as opening knots.
The tray seems a great idea, i just don't understand how the thin doublesided screwdriver bit stays on when pulling the tray out of the scale, and how you use that very thin bit without any holder or hanlde for it.
I am goofing around with 3D printing a bit, and so the tray solution caught my eye, as it could be used for other things too.
Am not using the toothpick really either, but sometimes a pin would be more usefull instead, and i don't have plus scales because they don't exist in the eighty-something models which my mainly used one is a part of.
There’s just enough friction to hold it in the tray. Good call on the pin, I use mine a lot. I was also thinking some sort of fishing hook and line but that’s a tiny space
@@todd.parker Thanks for answering!
I have seen that some people have drawn custom scales and put on thingiverse to print, maybe a self edited, printed scale could be a way to incoroprate your fishing hook and line.
The problem with integrated tools is there are so few that are available without a knife. That greatly restricts where you can carry it, and as a full size Victorinox blade is longer than the allowed length in Chicago,, I basically cannot carry a 91mm SAK of any kind. I disapprove.
I really hope Roxon releases a non pliers version of the Flex. That would be killer, even if it weighs a bit more than a SAK.
Yeah, holding out hope for modular tools
Haha yes, a bar with tool slots.
They can actually make various thickness and size bars.
They can even make something like their knife scissors putting a single large handle tool while having a fully customizable bar.
Have 3, 5, 6, 8, 10 layer tool
Short and long variants of each.
Various tools as a base for the two handle models....
Man I wish these bit sets incorporated Robertson. It's often left out and they're super common up here in the great white north
Yeah, the big issue is I can't source other bits that have a ball for retention. I was thinking of adding a magnet but haven't gotten around to it yet
I don't carry tools everyday. Maybe I should think about a small kit? Beginner / budget friendliest option?
I’ll be your EDC concierge
@@todd.parker yes! 😎👍
great knife
it's almost comical how exactly your thought on this was the same as I had, exept I went from the cybertool s to the compact and then added the ratchet etc after xD
Great minds…
I want to modding my VSA or get a Roxon. I travel a lot and need something functional but without a knife and the same knife with a good blade
Yeah, a knife is tricky to carry in a lot of cases so being able to just have your other tools is very nice
Victorinox needs to bring back the 108mm in their more popular options like the huntsman, tinker ECT or offer a build your own SAK
Nah, those little pliers are invaluable. Whenever you need to grip, bend or just hold something they are the best tool for a job. I got Deluxe Tinker, which is basically scissors + pliers and wouldn't swap it for any other tool.
Nice video
I think victorinox should make swiss army knives still but make some that are actually good firearms maintenance multi tools too, I'd love to have a victorinox swiss made gun multi tool especially since their prices are usually cheaper than buying something like a Leatherman MUT
Yes would buy the toothpick mod
For my usage:
The problem is size M itself:
once you have so many tools the handle is too thick.. therefore I really prefer to carry a miniSD + ratchet, for what I do is enough.
Yeah, once it gets too thick, not only is is bad to carry, it’s hard to hold
I like you cybertool mod! Great little tool, loved the attention to detail about removing the keyring hole to prevent it frm diggin into the hand! :)
I made a custom Compact for my brother a while back called The Moneymaker, with brass liners, etched tools and custom 3d printed scales for with additional accessories like an SD card , 6x2mm magnet and sewing needle. There is a video of it on my channel if you are curious... (I will be happy to share the files for free if you should want the scales....)
Those scales sound cool, I'd be interested in learning more
I setup an entire workshop in tunkercad with description boxes on how to mix-n-match different hole shapes with a blank set of scales so you can create your own desired scale.
There is also some different finished scales, including my moneymaker scales! -And the original plus scale is also there.
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I would be interested in the micro driver tray for the toothpick slot. Also, can you put up the contact info for the maker of your custom cybertool for us non-instagram users please.
Sure. His name is Wes Taylor. artaylor911@gmail.com
Next video --> Miwaukee Fastback 6 in 1 ftw! jkjkk It's so funny because I relate to you. I like both worlds. I like having things having everything together but I like individual components. You know what you actually want? :D You want a Gerber Armbar that ACTUALLY locks (it doesn't lock). Same like me!
Ha. The Armbar does seem good but they refuse to make it lock out so I haven’t tried one. It’s fun trying to get this dialed in
I think, if you wear through your tools fairly fast, you might need the separate tools to make replacing broken or worn pieces easier.
Good point 👍
While I agree that my Knipex Cobra XS had not got as much use as I thought, I realized the main reason is its teeth that hurt anything they touch. Looking back, I almost use toothless pliers exclusively in all my life. Therefore, I bought a Knipex Pliers Wrench XS which has been getting more uses.
Yeah, pliers wrench is definitely better for fasteners you don't want to chew up. I think of Cobras as gnarly teeth that can grip bigger or irregular shaped objects but they aren't gentle.
I would get the 3d printed tray / let me know
If you don't end up selling the toothpick could you supply the file?
I'll probably do both. My 3D printer was recalled so once I get the models worked out, I'll post those and will hopefully sell them on Etsy for folks that don't have a printer
That custom CyberTool is almost exactly what I want to have except pliers for the scissors and retaining the corkscrew. Victorinox should just offer a build your own knife.
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An other helpful video, yes 😊.
I'm an advocate of mixing individual tools and multitools.
Certain tools do have more than one or two functions. Multitools doesn't mean multitools with a knife and camping tools. Although I do have high hopes regarding modular multitools because it makes you have the tool without the useless stuff...
Yeah, a mini version of these modular tools would be cool.
@@todd.parker Unfortunately aside of bit drivers there isn't anything in mini size with proper modularity....
I hope in the future this will come.
I found some interesting stuff like précision drivers and 1/4"
Hoto for the 4mm or other pen drivers of your choice.
Then J Cool for a 1/4" ratchet.
As for cutting stuff donau with t shank.
Scissors depending on the stuff there is descent multitools now or there is the dakoyu or electrician Scissors depending of the needs and desired sizes.
Why choose a bantam over bantam x tho?
Mostly because the Bantam X doesn’t exist 🤠. I have one because I had it custom built for me.
Why oh why won’t Victorinox just give us a website configurator that lets us stack our own favorite layers and get it shipped like that from the factory.
I’ve just gotten back in to victorinox after many years away, and I have to say your build looks very well thought out! Thanks for the inspo. I have never tried the cyber tool because of how thick it is, but the driver does look worth considering…
Also, they could at least give us a Bantom X or Compact Alox. Pretty sure that would be super popular.
I 100% think they should do a configurator, I’d pay a lot to pick out the layers in store. It’s not that hard, c’mon
I need a pocket clip. Can’t have stuff just loose in pocket
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Uh... Is this an unintentional commercial for the Roxon Flex? 😂
Heh, no but I like that concept. I just think it’s going to be pretty heavy
@@todd.parker If only Roxon made a skeletonized micro-Flex. :)
Awesome video! And yes, I’d love to buy the holder!!!!
Todd, you were wrong. I can never find a multitool that has all my needs without what I don't. And the screwdrivers on them are no compare to 711L + short extension. Almost all of them include a knife, cannot pass a security check (Airport, Court, Disneyland etc.). So, I carry a Screwpop utility knife with a Lenox Gold 4-slots blade which I can throw away to pass a security check.
What you need to find is the right pouch or case. The ones you've showed us so far all have the problem you said in this video. I have been looking.
Yeah, separate tools are always going to be better and more flexible, that was kind of my conclusion but for those that said I was crazy for that type of carry, a custom multitool can check a lot of boxes
@@todd.parker When moving from multitool to separated, the mistake is to follow that idea to put all items into a single pouch. Bulky and, as you mentioned in this video, hassle to grab one tool out of all. The right way is to use small pouches to distribute tools into all pockets.
I still don't get why they discontinued the Cybertool S and the "L" shaped screwdriver bit kit for the Swisstool as an independent s SKU... especially with the EDC craze right now. 🤷
Yeah, I don’t get why the retire some products. Maybe they are improving it to use the combo tool and scissors