If your a strong person and can pray, then im sure your safe in what ever you do... We show our apache crown dancers not only for entertainment but for those who are lost in their apache culture. just letting everyone know out there we still have our culture and its still alive and still going strong with our prayers.
Proud be a full blooded Dishchii Bikoh Apache. Our culture was not meant to be shared by videos or photos, it was meant for healing, praying n simply giving thanks back to mother earth. Modern technology has made a major impact from preventing this to be private.
Vi’lette lupe Word. I get what your saying and for ppl like me who aren’t on the Rez need this exposure. My family is from cbq an is red horizontal ppl as well.
Thank God that these ways are kept alive. I wonder if a band from 1800 would recognize the paint,clothes,and ritual? Wondering how much things have evolved. Ashamed we are only familiar with antiquity and don't know our fellow countrymen, the first people.
Okay okay imma point this out pretty clear. Although I'm Half Navajo and Half Apache. But Navajos don't have "Gaan-Mountain Spirit" but they have "Cheiis-Holy People who provide for the Díné", there's a difference The 'Gaan' dance for a purpose. A purpose of dancing around the Semigaysa and the Cheiis dance for Healing and Food for the winter. But yes! we have the similar language but different culture and different songs. "Gaan" all represent something like a Element, Animal, Life, for example: During a Sunrise Dance for the semigaysa, They dance around her so she can make it to the door ways of Heaven and "Gaan" if u know 1 keep it to urself don't tell no one whose who under those masks. I believe its the same way to the "Cheiis" right? but These "Gaan" do represent The Four Colors, Four Winds, Four Animals, Four Mountains so Some of u think Joe thonnie is showing off these "Gaan" for healing and blessing but actually He's showing dem off for Money and show like at a school I went to He made everyone pay 45 to see dem but its ceremony so He's doing it for the Greed of Money, 1 day Joe Thonnie will eventually get ill or sick for his stupid doing of showing off the "Gaan" Some will try and defend him and some will try and Protect him but guess what!! The Apaches from White River and San Carlos, Bylas Do not want to Hear or even see Joe cuz they hate him for his doing and yes he steals songs from Other Tribes. Plus Half of his songs don't mean Nothing just words added in to make it seem it is a song but its not... Go to a real Sunrise Dance and hear REAL Songs by the Medicine man and his helpers for example: Go see Hart's dances and Bert Hinton's Dances those r real songs and a real gaans so don't be stupid and believe in Joe, Joe is just a Greedy Man.
Joshua Tessay I kind of said my opinion on the Navajo & Apache traditions, so I guess you could say I have grown to hate people that try and say Navajo & Apache have similar traditions and they don't actually. (Gaans are protectors, and the Yei Bi Cheiis are providers.. Both aren't the same in traditional sense yazhi)-What my grandparents told me. So I say what my parents, grandparents and relatives told me about both tribes and prove people wrong in that process, i care about my díne and chísh'i sides so yeah pretty much I love being a rez girl who cares about traditions on both sides But thank you, and I should edit this comment lol
Other than gaans and ye'iis... Apache and Navajo share the belief of Changing Woman and the puberty ceremony she gave to the women. This, to me, is more archaic because women are sacred to both peoples.
my father's side is muscalero , I wish my family followed these traditions. the only one that does it my auntie yolie but she's developing dementia so her memory is fading.
Still learning about my apache blood, and the closest I've ever gotten to it is a man who claimed that he had a direct bloodline to geronimo. But that doesn't help me much. I do know that apaches were(are?) fierce warriors that handled themselves when neccessary.
haha navajos dont have crowndancers....we have Yeiis....dieties that come in the winter to bring healing and blessings to our people....and we are very strict about pictures and filming.......thats a big no no.....
To all Navajos and Apaches and all Athapaskan speakers, I assume we all know we are related cause we speak a spiritual language. Don't you think these dances shouldn't be on the internet? cause the world don't understand our ways, and Healing. like Most Religious freaks. i would find it upsetting seeing my Navajo Sacred Healing being online like Yei Gods. Do we (native americans) all hold our culture valuable and unique? i respect the all the tribes and dying tribes, which we live our ways.
I know they are considered sacred, but if they are recorded at least they will never be lost. So many tribes are losing their language, dances, and culture due to assimilation.
I can understand your point of view. I am not a native American... I am a child of this earth, and I consider myself tremendously honoured and blessed to be able to witness such beauty and depth. Respect!
MR KeN thank you that’s what we should all realize instead of showing everyone what we have on RUclips and bragging about who’s more traditional and what songs we have
That's what I thought too.....Navajo's are very strict about filming their ceremonies as they should be. I don't know what kind of ceremony this is but if it not medicinal then I assume it is ok, but I still don't feel that our fellow Native's should show our sacred ceremonies.....it's all we have left.
If your a strong person and can pray, then im sure your safe in what ever you do... We show our apache crown dancers not only for entertainment but for those who are lost in their apache culture. just letting everyone know out there we still have our culture and its still alive and still going strong with our prayers.
I think the crown dance is very special. I love that it is a healing dance. Amazing culture , amazing people🤝❤️
Proud be a full blooded Dishchii Bikoh Apache. Our culture was not meant to be shared by videos or photos, it was meant for healing, praying n simply giving thanks back to mother earth. Modern technology has made a major impact from preventing this to be private.
This was filmed at The Heard Museum in Phoenix . I was there
Vi’lette lupe
Word. I get what your saying and for ppl like me who aren’t on the Rez need this exposure. My family is from cbq an is red horizontal ppl as well.
BEAUTIFUL NICE DANCING. BLESS ALL CHILDREN THAT'S LEARNING THERE TRADITIONAL
Beautiful. Even if people doubt us, we pray for you.
Thank God that these ways are kept alive. I wonder if a band from 1800 would recognize the paint,clothes,and ritual? Wondering how much things have evolved. Ashamed we are only familiar with antiquity and don't know our fellow countrymen, the first people.
You guy's dances Amazing and beautiful song.
Apache and Navajo are similar groups both tribes have a lot similar ways in there language & Tradition but nice performance
Okay okay imma point this out pretty clear. Although I'm Half Navajo and Half Apache. But Navajos don't have "Gaan-Mountain Spirit" but they have "Cheiis-Holy People who provide for the Díné", there's a difference The 'Gaan' dance for a purpose. A purpose of dancing around the Semigaysa and the Cheiis dance for Healing and Food for the winter. But yes! we have the similar language but different culture and different songs. "Gaan" all represent something like a Element, Animal, Life, for example: During a Sunrise Dance for the semigaysa, They dance around her so she can make it to the door ways of Heaven and "Gaan" if u know 1 keep it to urself don't tell no one whose who under those masks. I believe its the same way to the "Cheiis" right? but These "Gaan" do represent The Four Colors, Four Winds, Four Animals, Four Mountains so Some of u think Joe thonnie is showing off these "Gaan" for healing and blessing but actually He's showing dem off for Money and show like at a school I went to He made everyone pay 45 to see dem but its ceremony so He's doing it for the Greed of Money, 1 day Joe Thonnie will eventually get ill or sick for his stupid doing of showing off the "Gaan" Some will try and defend him and some will try and Protect him but guess what!! The Apaches from White River and San Carlos, Bylas Do not want to Hear or even see Joe cuz they hate him for his doing and yes he steals songs from Other Tribes. Plus Half of his songs don't mean Nothing just words added in to make it seem it is a song but its not... Go to a real Sunrise Dance and hear REAL Songs by the Medicine man and his helpers for example: Go see Hart's dances and Bert Hinton's Dances those r real songs and a real gaans so don't be stupid and believe in Joe, Joe is just a Greedy Man.
Native Lee well said!
Joshua Tessay I kind of said my opinion on the Navajo & Apache traditions, so I guess you could say I have grown to hate people that try and say Navajo & Apache have similar traditions and they don't actually. (Gaans are protectors, and the Yei Bi Cheiis are providers.. Both aren't the same in traditional sense yazhi)-What my grandparents told me. So I say what my parents, grandparents and relatives told me about both tribes and prove people wrong in that process, i care about my díne and chísh'i sides so yeah pretty much I love being a rez girl who cares about traditions on both sides
But thank you, and I should edit this comment lol
Other than gaans and ye'iis... Apache and Navajo share the belief of Changing Woman and the puberty ceremony she gave to the women. This, to me, is more archaic because women are sacred to both peoples.
my father's side is muscalero , I wish my family followed these traditions. the only one that does it my auntie yolie but she's developing dementia so her memory is fading.
incredible incredible incredible!
Still learning about my apache blood, and the closest I've ever gotten to it is a man who claimed that he had a direct bloodline to geronimo. But that doesn't help me much. I do know that apaches were(are?) fierce warriors that handled themselves when neccessary.
I'm Apache, do you know which clan you're from?
puts the fan back in fantastic!
very incredible performance 👍
thanks for sharing this with us
Apache congratulates
I love love love love love you family
haha navajos dont have crowndancers....we have Yeiis....dieties that come in the winter to bring healing and blessings to our people....and we are very strict about pictures and filming.......thats a big no no.....
Hush
👍
Excellent! *****
That's so awesome 👌
this is something to behold
thanks
stunning dance and attire
Comparto....Gracias..
every color has a purpose.
To all Navajos and Apaches and all Athapaskan speakers, I assume we all know we are related cause we speak a spiritual language.
Don't you think these dances shouldn't be on the internet? cause the world don't understand our ways, and Healing. like Most Religious freaks. i would find it upsetting seeing my Navajo Sacred Healing being online like Yei Gods.
Do we (native americans) all hold our culture valuable and unique?
i respect the all the tribes and dying tribes, which we live our ways.
I was gonna say I didn't think that the Crown dances were allowed to be recorded. As well as any ceremonies.
Candi Hixenbaugh They aren’t suppose to be recorded but some where down the line it changed.
I know they are considered sacred, but if they are recorded at least they will never be lost. So many tribes are losing their language, dances, and culture due to assimilation.
I can understand your point of view. I am not a native American... I am a child of this earth, and I consider myself tremendously honoured and blessed to be able to witness such beauty and depth. Respect!
Navajos don’t have Crown dancers
Hell yea tell it.
fascinating :))
I`d like this also
La verdadera india Mescalaro danza tribal.
Hey la whiteriver. ❤😂
Do u have the right to the mescaler songs ? Cuz we learn the songs to n where ok to sing them so yea
kay hay!
Does anybody else dance around in their room to this?
hey apaches are navajos relations from the south
the first video is not Joe tohani jr
Where could I find recorded ones not live
wow, total Mescalero social songs... steal what doesn't come to you...
+MAFR815 dats not a mescalero song ... you got us mix up with joe tononnie .. hahahah
+CHA'BII'TU CROWNDANCE GROUP u guys way better then joe.. any time of the day
awsum thanks
Hello.
man these guys are eating good..
omg i know right navajos dont have crown dancers get it stright.
This is nice but i dont think no tribe is better
we are all equal
MR KeN thank you that’s what we should all realize instead of showing everyone what we have on RUclips and bragging about who’s more traditional and what songs we have
Done
Reservates are free
That's what I thought too.....Navajo's are very strict about filming their ceremonies as they should be. I don't know what kind of ceremony this is but if it not medicinal then I assume it is ok, but I still don't feel that our fellow Native's should show our sacred ceremonies.....it's all we have left.