@@esra_erimez Damn... I agree they have that simplify things to understand thing in common, but to actually compare him to Feynman is.. well a great honour for grant
Grant Sanderson's hesitation to declare Moore's law an example of an exponential feedback loop where the technology enables that technology's own growth, overlooks that we use computer chips to simulate future computer chips. Therefore we can design/simulate more complex chips because the last generation of computer chips is powerful enough to simulate (albeit slowly) the next generation. Because development of that next generation product is possible, there is now pending economic incentive to enhance semiconductor fabrication technologies which is ultimately what Moore's Law is all about. So in addition to Grant's point that exponential growth occurs when technology enables its own growth feedback loop, what is also required is economic pressure drive that feedback loop.
When you talk about only a few people doing the best work at around the 4:40 mark I fear you are only seeing a fraction of the whole picture, which is understandable cause people usually take lots of things for granted. Just remember this: no one achieves anything alone and more importantly we don't have to.
@@lamalien2276 Well, then he should formulate it better... without people cleaning sewers etc he would not be able to be genius but dead by infection. And without boring work of other peoples he would not complete his grand idea - who do you think created most todays computers? Some genius like in past? No it was big team of "average" guys somewhere in thaiwan... think about it.
I think we should pause and think how the US system attracts/rewards people like Elon Musk, Gates, Jobs, Buffet, Sam Walton, Bezos, Zuckerberg to name a few. There are many gifted people in other countries but proportionally not as many succeed. The US is doing quite well in attracting and encouraging these people. I am happy to be in such a country despite some of the problems we have.
@@allstartuition267 That is probably true. Our media reports only one side of any story. If you are correct I can not find reports of that and I do read reports from other countries.
@@willdehne1 I also agree, US despite having few problems, is still the highest standards for any country one can think of. To give you a personal opinion of a recent example: The death of a black in US is bad, but what made me happy was how people openly protested and put campaign, even many whites were involved, which to me was quite shocking. Here in my country, many people from marginalised community dies, yet they don't even make up to headlines in the news. The perpetual state of inequality and discrimination is ink on the "democracy" that our government or media boasts of. Compared to US, what I have seen so far, people openly criticise what they find wrong be it government or media.
@@AdityaKumar-ij5ok The BLM situation is nasty. On one hand we need Law and Order, OTOH we must give minorities a chance and not put lots of them into prison. The other problem waiting for a solution is distribution of wealth. It does not seem good that a few own all the wealth and have all the influence because of that. I will not live long enough to see that resolved.
@@AdityaKumar-ij5ok "the highest standards for any country one can think of" Sorry, last time I checked, the United States still had: electoral college, death penalty, jury duty, 1% of the population being in prison, prisons being businesses rather than government institutions, a press freedom index of only 45, an election system that is basically a knockout race, a bad distribution of wealth (like Wilfried mentioned), Donald Trump, conversion therapy
P.S. Faith IS, in fact, the right word. And anyone having a problem with it is being unreasonable. That isn't a bad thing. unless by faith you meant unwarranted hope. But faith should be primarily understood as a trust. Whether that is warranted is a matter of context. This context clearly making the word appropriate. I am faithful you agree
Ken Meyer I’m sure. What is going on in America at the moment is a good example of my point. Being plugged into the network, as musk would like, won’t help anyone but the owners of these networks.
We're talking about just technological progress, nobody's arguing with you on general human progress. Elon doesn't like the idea of "plugging into the network". In fact, he was one of the people who kept warning people about its potential dangers, but nobody listened. That's why he created Neuralink, so that the technology doesn't ONLY stay in the wrong hands.
Rayan People equate happiness and meaning with material possessions but they won’t find it there. I believe true meaning and happiness is found through deep connection with people which is slowly being lost in the modern world. Once again I point to America, the country with arguably the richest general population in the world, yet seemingly the most unhappy.
I would agree the world progresses following an exponential rate, which is an effect of compounding. In reality it is more complicated though but the fundamental is the same - the progress is based on the existing level. The growth rate can vary in different time and for different things, therefore the multiple S curves.
Lex is touching on the pareto distribution, as well as a point that Jordan Peterson touched on. In most domains, very few people do almost all the work.
Thanks , I really think that professionals like you, lex, should interview professionals like 3b1b. Such talks are more meaningful and better than clueless gentlemen asking nonsense .
I wouldn't be so optimistic about Moore's law. Ever since broadly speaking 2013, the processors stopped getting faster and micro-processor companies have been increasing parallel computing, which makes them much more difficult to program. Furthermore, as technology gets more complicated, the time it takes to learn part of systems gets longer and therefore progress, especially in software development will be hampered.
Parallel computing, while incurring overhead, is not that difficult to work with anymore, unless you're playing around in bare-bones C... Well, what I mean by that is in many use cases, the regulatory mechanisms required for parallelized computing applications have been abstracted in a way where the programmer does not need to think too hard about how to prevent race conditions and other async concerns. In the case of javascript, while the language itself runs on a single thread, depending on the runtime environment, i.e. the thing evaluating and executing the js language, tasks can be broken down by the environment and managed in a way that allows for threading of those tasks "under the hood". A bit weird to learn initially, but once you get a firm grasp on async programming, it's not nearly as complex as people make it out to be imo. Although I will concede it does add complexity, but it's a necessary evil.
Once the first model of an AGI is known then we have an invention similar to the transistor, only the exponential growth doesn't take decades but years. Also if allowed the AGI could self improve making this processes even faster, much faster. But is it wise to allow AGI to improve it self without any restrictions? I think this is a hard choice to make, if we make AGI in this manor we are giving birth to a new kind (that will supersede humanity). No wonder Elon is taking the path towards humanity must join/merge with the future AGIs if we are to have a say further generations. We could end up being the AGIs God being their pets. Is this desirable for us?
@@joemency2242 ehhh depends what your talking about, generally an axiom is what you take for granted, it is a law not because of any derivation but because we take it to be so. But a law can be derived from an axiom.
Honestly this is a military project it was first plotted out as it always has been to use the technology as a prison that the prisoners can't realize is a prison(this is nothing new). Same thing with HFT in the stock market just ask Michael Lewis who wroteTheBigShort.
@@allstartuition267 I disagree with your second point, the matter of binary choice is there is a simulation or there is not a simulation, there is no gradation of choice in this, almost like a god argument
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I'm a big fan of you and your podcast, Lex. Thank you for bringing intelligent conversation to the mainstream!
Thats what people like Asimov, Clark envisioned as Internet in past. Little they knew that such content will be on very outskirts...
Grant Sanderson , one of the greatest teachers alive!
“They’ll make the video game fun”. That would be the coolest open world game of all time.
It’s funny watching Musk fool people who pride themselves on the level of their own intelligence.
Not if it's a horror game
Grant is a treasure.
Agreed. Not since Feynman have we seen the likes of Grant.
@@esra_erimez Damn... I agree they have that simplify things to understand thing in common, but to actually compare him to Feynman is.. well a great honour for grant
The key to exponential growth is having a feedback loop.
👍
positive feedback loop
+1
Grant Sanderson's hesitation to declare Moore's law an example of an exponential feedback loop where the technology enables that technology's own growth, overlooks that we use computer chips to simulate future computer chips. Therefore we can design/simulate more complex chips because the last generation of computer chips is powerful enough to simulate (albeit slowly) the next generation. Because development of that next generation product is possible, there is now pending economic incentive to enhance semiconductor fabrication technologies which is ultimately what Moore's Law is all about. So in addition to Grant's point that exponential growth occurs when technology enables its own growth feedback loop, what is also required is economic pressure drive that feedback loop.
When you talk about only a few people doing the best work at around the 4:40 mark I fear you are only seeing a fraction of the whole picture, which is understandable cause people usually take lots of things for granted. Just remember this: no one achieves anything alone and more importantly we don't have to.
very true
@@lamalien2276 Well, then he should formulate it better... without people cleaning sewers etc he would not be able to be genius but dead by infection.
And without boring work of other peoples he would not complete his grand idea - who do you think created most todays computers? Some genius like in past? No it was big team of "average" guys somewhere in thaiwan... think about it.
@@lamalien2276 The gap between Elon and other people is not as great as the gap between I and dogs bruh
Two World changing amazing human beings.
I have no idea what they're talking about
then get back to anime, depression and jealousy
@@lifethrownoutofthewindow This ought to be the saltiest projection of an answer I've read.
@@Lions4322 one more guy commented before me, i replied to him. He deletef the comment i guess
@@lifethrownoutofthewindow Oh, I see, I'm sorry. What did he write?
@@Lions4322 some weeb hatred 😂
he is ripped AF
The stuff Lex is talking about at 5:00 is "Price's Law". Its the reason why small companies can outperform big ones.
I think we should pause and think how the US system attracts/rewards people like Elon Musk, Gates, Jobs, Buffet, Sam Walton, Bezos, Zuckerberg to name a few. There are many gifted people in other countries but proportionally not as many succeed. The US is doing quite well in attracting and encouraging these people. I am happy to be in such a country despite some of the problems we have.
@@allstartuition267 That is probably true. Our media reports only one side of any story. If you are correct I can not find reports of that and I do read reports from other countries.
@@willdehne1 I also agree, US despite having few problems, is still the highest standards for any country one can think of.
To give you a personal opinion of a recent example: The death of a black in US is bad, but what made me happy was how people openly protested and put campaign, even many whites were involved, which to me was quite shocking.
Here in my country, many people from marginalised community dies, yet they don't even make up to headlines in the news. The perpetual state of inequality and discrimination is ink on the "democracy" that our government or media boasts of.
Compared to US, what I have seen so far, people openly criticise what they find wrong be it government or media.
@@AdityaKumar-ij5ok The BLM situation is nasty. On one hand we need Law and Order, OTOH we must give minorities a chance and not put lots of them into prison. The other problem waiting for a solution is distribution of wealth. It does not seem good that a few own all the wealth and have all the influence because of that. I will not live long enough to see that resolved.
@@AdityaKumar-ij5ok "the highest standards for any country one can think of"
Sorry, last time I checked, the United States still had: electoral college, death penalty, jury duty, 1% of the population being in prison, prisons being businesses rather than government institutions, a press freedom index of only 45, an election system that is basically a knockout race, a bad distribution of wealth (like Wilfried mentioned), Donald Trump, conversion therapy
P.S. Faith IS, in fact, the right word. And anyone having a problem with it is being unreasonable. That isn't a bad thing.
unless by faith you meant unwarranted hope. But faith should be primarily understood as a trust. Whether that is warranted is a matter of context. This context clearly making the word appropriate.
I am faithful you agree
Grant and Lex are both absolutely fucking shredded
Only 68k followers? That’ll double fast. Great channel, Lex
This discussion is so underrated!!
Who underrated it?
@@alexreinhardt28 number of views
Really fun talk, happy to listen to you and Grant.
There hasn’t been exponential growth in happiness in my view. This, not productivity, should be the measure of human progress.
Are you sure? You might want to read Steven Pinker's 'Enlightenment Now'
Ken Meyer I’m sure. What is going on in America at the moment is a good example of my point. Being plugged into the network, as musk would like, won’t help anyone but the owners of these networks.
We're talking about just technological progress, nobody's arguing with you on general human progress.
Elon doesn't like the idea of "plugging into the network". In fact, he was one of the people who kept warning people about its potential dangers, but nobody listened.
That's why he created Neuralink, so that the technology doesn't ONLY stay in the wrong hands.
Soumil Sahu the two are intrinsically linked. What’s the point in advancement if not for the betterment of humanity, nature and the planet.
Rayan People equate happiness and meaning with material possessions but they won’t find it there. I believe true meaning and happiness is found through deep connection with people which is slowly being lost in the modern world. Once again I point to America, the country with arguably the richest general population in the world, yet seemingly the most unhappy.
What is the book he mentioned?
Peak / Peak Performance
Any help on the book Grant referred to? He said the title is Peak but can anyone help me the author? It seems there's more than 1 "peak"
Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise by K. Anders Ericsson
Who is the author of the book "Peak" mentioned by the guest?
Thanks @@allstartuition267 , complete title:
Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise by K. Anders Ericsson
What is the Peak book they mention?
Peak: Secrets from the New Science of Expertise by K. Anders Ericsson
Thnx
MARS
President: Elon Musk
Vice President: Ricardo Milos.
Fantastic clip.
I would agree the world progresses following an exponential rate, which is an effect of compounding. In reality it is more complicated though but the fundamental is the same - the progress is based on the existing level. The growth rate can vary in different time and for different things, therefore the multiple S curves.
The channel banner still says ai podcast which isn't in line with the rebranding. Just an fyi.
Lex is touching on the pareto distribution, as well as a point that Jordan Peterson touched on. In most domains, very few people do almost all the work.
Exponentiality of the information. Everything is compound information. Information of the information. You get it.
no i dont
Thanks , I really think that professionals like you, lex, should interview professionals like 3b1b. Such talks are more meaningful and better than clueless gentlemen asking nonsense .
I wouldn't be so optimistic about Moore's law. Ever since broadly speaking 2013, the processors stopped getting faster and micro-processor companies have been increasing parallel computing, which makes them much more difficult to program.
Furthermore, as technology gets more complicated, the time it takes to learn part of systems gets longer and therefore progress, especially in software development will be hampered.
Parallel computing, while incurring overhead, is not that difficult to work with anymore, unless you're playing around in bare-bones C... Well, what I mean by that is in many use cases, the regulatory mechanisms required for parallelized computing applications have been abstracted in a way where the programmer does not need to think too hard about how to prevent race conditions and other async concerns. In the case of javascript, while the language itself runs on a single thread, depending on the runtime environment, i.e. the thing evaluating and executing the js language, tasks can be broken down by the environment and managed in a way that allows for threading of those tasks "under the hood".
A bit weird to learn initially, but once you get a firm grasp on async programming, it's not nearly as complex as people make it out to be imo. Although I will concede it does add complexity, but it's a necessary evil.
"Cool intro paragraph bro, but where's the body, and conclusion?" - My professor if he heard that anywhere
It's more the linking of s-curves, one advance leads to the next s-curve; rather than a single exponential growth in a single direction.
we made it up, subjectively
*3Blue1Brawn*
I hate post video ads
His voice is just..😄
short hand for the convo Ephemeralization :D
Once the first model of an AGI is known then we have an invention similar to the transistor, only the exponential growth doesn't take decades but years. Also if allowed the AGI could self improve making this processes even faster, much faster. But is it wise to allow AGI to improve it self without any restrictions? I think this is a hard choice to make, if we make AGI in this manor we are giving birth to a new kind (that will supersede humanity). No wonder Elon is taking the path towards humanity must join/merge with the future AGIs if we are to have a say further generations. We could end up being the AGIs God being their pets. Is this desirable for us?
Isn't it more like a "J" curve?
Why does he always wear a suit and tie
Because he likes wearing them, simple as that.
Elon is a great leader but at the same time I would not want to be one of his test pilots.
How bout law of 1; speaking of getting serious; i feel funny
Maybe u should sleep more.
3 blue 1 brown???
I love y'all 😅❤😚
My favourite ppl
dope
5:15 lmao who’s he trying to kiss up to?
Pareto!
The best is yet to come... I was holding off to put it in a book, but I think I'll upload some to Facebook and twitter later...
Grant is at least an order of magnitude smarter than Lex
as a teacher, absolutely so, yes
Call it law is to weak, call it axiom rather: Moore's axiom of constant technological jumps. :D
Lol nah
Doesnt axiom mean law? But in greek
Joe Mency more like cause without a beginning or a first causal principle
@@joemency2242 ehhh depends what your talking about, generally an axiom is what you take for granted, it is a law not because of any derivation but because we take it to be so. But a law can be derived from an axiom.
The kind of people like Elon Musk was born once 100 years. If all of past scientists still alive, they're sure very proud of kind of people like him
grant makes lex look like a dummy
Honestly this is a military project it was first plotted out as it always has been to use the technology as a prison that the prisoners can't realize is a prison(this is nothing new). Same thing with HFT in the stock market just ask Michael Lewis who wroteTheBigShort.
Built into the simulator, lol
There is no simulator
The evidence must be shown if we are living in a simulation, until then, it is the default that there is no simulation
@@allstartuition267 I disagree with your second point, the matter of binary choice is there is a simulation or there is not a simulation, there is no gradation of choice in this, almost like a god argument
I got gebaited... I thought he was talking with musk :-(