Why Entry-Level Job Requirements Are Getting Ridiculous (This is why tech job market sucks right now
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What I don't understand is how companies can say they don't want to take the risk with juniors but are fine with low quality outsourcing of cybersecurity to places like India.
Probably incentivised by subsidies, I dont know for sure though
National security unimportant saar do not redeem
Probably outsourcing the liability too. What if they take up services from oversea contractors. If the contractors fail it isn't the client company's fault. I don't exactly know how it works but that's my guess.
Me just pivoting into tech...oh great, just great
Trust me I know your pain. I’m in the same boat
Tried to move from finance to cybersecurity… bummer
In the same boat as well :D
I feel bad for ppl trying to get into a Tech job rn.
Agreed. I think tech and cyber freelancing/contracting roles are going to be a more common way to break into tech if companies dont hire entry level candidates, it's just a really rough job market overall
@@WithSandra It is very rough & they want ppl to wear multiple hats & lump all IT fields in one job description, thinking all IT is the same. It’s like lumping all Doctors together, you wouldn’t do that in a description b/c there are different fields as a doctor to specialize in. So why would it be any different in IT.
I was. I gave up. I'm going to school to do something else much more futureproof. It's too annoying rn.
@@2rx_bniomg what are you doing? I’m thinking of doing something else too. Cyber security SUCKS!
Graduated with a CS degree in April of 2023. Been an intern in a contract role since May of 2022. Had banked on getting a promotion by staying on as an intern. Then in 2023 my entire team & managers who were trying to get me promoted got laid off, hiring freeze ensued, base of software engineering got moved to India and that promotion died. Still making $23/hr so I can at least afford my $1000k/month student loan payments, but still 90k in debt and unhappy. I've probably applied to over a thousand jobs at this point over the past like 16-18 months and very little. Got one 4 hour onsite interview with technical with engineers, HR, and managers. Didn't get the job. Closest I think I got was a DoD that does work with nuclear submarines but they GHOSTED me after the 2 phone interviews (which were incredibly easy, no coding required even) which I thought went well according to the engineers on the 2nd one. Requisition never even got closed, no "we've selected other candidates email", but the manager butt dialed my phone number the day after my interview and immediately hung up before I could answer the call, so I could read the room. Now all I get is scammers from Indonesia texting my phone via whatsapp trying to offer me "remote part time work" lol 2024 is rough
I have nearly a year experience of working in both IAM and GRC and have a good, reviewed resume and I still get endless rejections after applying to 150+ jobs. One worthwhile interview and no offer yet. It’s bleak out here.
Jezzzzz
Wasting time to apply
Oh no :"(
Try reapplying after you have 5-7 years of experience. That’s the minimum I’m seeing right now. One year of experience isn’t competitive
@@ProBallerJake2 you don’t have to meet the listed yrs of experience esp when they’re not realistic. If you show a willingless to learn it helps a lot
For some reason the last 5 years or so companies dont believe in training anymore its insane
Its crazy man, i dont understand it
Facts. This is exactly what I'm seeing as well.
This has been my problem. Recent Cybersecurity graduate and for a market that is exploding entry level jobs is really difficult.
I so agree with your stance on this video.. it is so hard to find a legitimate entry-level job and those same positions have hundreds of applicants at times and this makes them even more scarce.
the job market for literally EVERYTHING is shit rn. undecided sophmore in college rn and I'm planning to major in IT and minor in cybersecurity. I feel like no matter what major you take you're cooked. shit's so frustrating
It's bad now, but it will pass. The economy will likely turn around by the time you graduate. If you decide to major in cyber security, get the intro certs while you're still in school. CompTIA sec+, Google cybersecurity,band isc2 CC.
Apply to all cybersec/infosec internships.
When you graduate with experience from internships and certifications, you'll be competitive.
@@blahblah8372genuine question, what makes you think the economy will turn around anytime soon?
It’s short term thinking over long term sustainability, profitability for the company and shareholders. Companies eventually fail when they think short term over long term
i found it easier to just register my own llc and start my own full stack web dev agency myself
That's awesome! Could you share more about your experience for those who may also be looking to get experience that way themselves? Is this similar to tech freelancing?
Definitely makes sense, best wishes !
@@WithSandra I'm a graduating software engineer that has interned with a bunch of startups in Silicon Valley. I get an invite from recruiters at least once a day for big tech google amazon meta spacex ect mainly interested in my three.js 3d/ar web dev work, but the question that arises is "Do you have at least 5 years of paid experience?".
I'm more interested in C++ game dev anyway and consider web dev a hobby to offer to artists I reach out to, so yah it is basically freelancing. If I were to do it full time forever, I'd be using a bot to cold call every business in the US, but that isn't really my style. It's my goal to work with competent triple AAA teams. But my advice to other entry levels would be to try to create and lead your own work opportunities on impressive, relevant, monetizable projects catered to who you're applying to, the generic javascript weather apps "familiarity with python and html resumes" and bootcamp projects don't cut it anymore.
@WithSandra I get calls from fang daily for my 3d/ar web work but the question that probably gets me ghosted is "do you have at least 5 years of corporate experience "im not even sure the tech im working on is 5+ years old
This is the way to go. Everybody’s stumbling over one another to apply for the same roles because there’s not enough of them. We need to start innovating and thinking more entrepreneurial like they did in the 90s/00s. Contribute to the industry by hiring others, don’t be another statistic looking for a job.
I would say while getting that certificate or degree, do alot of bug bounties, virtual labs you have made, and ctf. Showing more than enough proof you have what it takes
Yeah this seems to be the most pragmatic advice, basically we have to train to be independent contractors offering private services eventually. Cause company loyalty seems like its dying.
Good luck everyone. Hope everyone finds their dream job or foot in the door. Great content Sandra.
Just got my a.s. degree in IT. Enrolling in WGU later this yr to work towards bachelors. Trying to at least get my foot in the door of the IT industry. Watching this video hasn't dampened my goal of switching careers and getting into the field but it s damn sure letting me know that it's only going get harder in land a job within the next year or so.
You should be searching desperately for a part time internship while in school. The 4 yr degree is useless right now for getting hired. The knowledge you will get is invaluable but hiring managers will not care one bit. Been searching since November last year
@@mattmoon782 There lays the issue. I work full time and I'm married with a child. I'm also currently studying for the A+ and trying to take courses on Sophia to transfer in to WGU. Can't really fit in an internship right now. Unix guy posted a video not too long ago about some online internships ppl can sign up for. I may look into those after I'm done with the A+ exams.
People are still hiring but the job market is rough right now.
Yup
So true. I have been applying since November 23 with 4 years of IT experience and Security+ and a Bachelors and have received 2 cyber security interviews. Guess who ended up back in IT
@@mattmoon782that's wild
Companies will continue to make this worse, they will continue to layoff more people to then hire their replacements but at an even lower salary.
Corporate greed will be the death of us...
Smells like more h1b visa replacements, and outsourcing out of the country for cheaper payroll
In my country there is literally no job without 2 yr of experience and If there is a exception they asked a 5 or 6 certification like comptia, CEH So being a fresher or recently passout how could I afford that big list of certificate.. I don't know what should I do now I'm totally out of mind
teams downsizing, ppl are double hatting
Great insight, I'm considering taking the course you're offering with your code :)
Thanks for the tip, Sandra.
i think its because of current economic issue like wars and many more
This is exactly why I'm going for a trade job first. Then go after a tech job. So whole I fill out those 100's of tech job applications. I'll still be making money until I can finally land a tech job or if I was to get layed off. Because normal people dont have time to play all these cat and mouse games. Also I have a feeling the tech companies want to only hire immigrants willing to work for less money.
I graduated with an MS in Cybersecurity in Feb with many certs, and I have over 10years of IT experience ranging from helpdesk, sysadmin, to tech manager. I got outbid for a CS Analyst role by someone with Sr. CS experience with only a Sec+ cert. Like sir, why are you here? lol 😅
Jeez
As Always Great Video.
My suggestion for people. Look into Government Jobs. They do have Entry level positions and sometimes people dont even know how to look for them. It might not be the one you are looking for. But like you said, sometimes you got to get the foot on the door.
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So Sandra, your question that when mid-level and senior analyst start retiring in 10 or 15 years from now, who is going to be the role, then corporations is going to say we are understaffed and we are losing money. We need to open immigration And get experienced people in that’s how
Immigration poses a brain drain on the expats country, we need to encourage more in-company training.
Get together. Make a tech company
do more vlogs :)
30 years ago my dad who had a B.S. in psychology got an offer to undergo training at a large medical company to learn COBOL for 8 weeks then work on a contractual basis until it was decided to become a full time employee with benefits. That’s how he got his start in software development. He worked there for 8 years and is still professionally writing code. Makes well over 6 figures.
There’s no way in hell anyone alive today would get an opportunity like that, and it’s infuriating.
LOL Devin was a scam.
I finally understand the boomers lol
For me (and this is 100% just my experience) I had the feeling that as soon as I got a Job in cybersecurity, immediately afterwards every company went to try to seduce me to switch over. I transitioned from a sysadmin role to an it security engineer (not junior in the title, but literally having no security knowledge besides sysadmin basics) basically companies offered me to switch into any other company as a security engineer. The first step into the industry is so so hard for people, but as soon as they are in, doors are wide open. But this is just my experience and just for my country (Germany), so I can't speak for the US or any other country. But it felt so weird that just month prior, none of these would consider me being capable, but as soon as you're in, you're in.
I experienced this in the US. It’s even funnier when the same companies that reject you come back throwing offers at you after you get your first gig.
Yeah my dad does hiring for a fortune 50 this sounds about right. I think the normalization of switching jobs every couple of years to get better pay is also part of the problem. I wish the companies could see sense.
Folks are just not thinking long term. They lose the opportunity to prevent bad habits as well. Seasoned people tend to get habits along the way that have to be broken. Easier to just train that away in the first place.
Yeah, that's what currently happening in every country as a fresher you struggle to get into industry but once you in your move on and you have multiple opportunities..
I think part of the problem is lazy hiring managers that do not update their job descriptions.
This may be occurring but it’s not the root problem. I have applied to many many brand new listings with the same problem she is talking about
I have a hunch there's a lot of ghost listings too
I feel if they are going to use ATS to scan resumes then they might as well use AI to get rid of HR altogether. I've met some lazy recruiters too in my day.
It's all a scam
Agreed
News flash. Cybersecurity is NOT entry level
Someone with no experience in cybersecurity IS entry level
For starters the term "cybersecurity" is just marketing. That isnt a real thing. If you work in IT that is cyber and if you do anything related to security that is self explanatory.
But the reality is many of these real jobs people are talking about is not something mean for people with no experience. Hence it is not a true entry level field.
That is just something they sell people on in order to sell them on training and fake degree programs.
The issue is being seen in other tech roles as well and not just CyberSecurity.
I am truly hoping that we are going back to the good ole days of Apprenticeship Programs like the ones where you had no experience but you had the drive, motivation and a willingness to learn. Thanks again for sharing this video. Best wishes to you Sandra!!!
I see roles that are so unicorn or ridiculous especially the compensation they require. Even in some penetration testing roles the billets they require is a unicorn. Smh this job market really has me on eyebrow raise.
Yeah its very suss, especially with the whitehouse proclaiming the economy has never been better
@@--Morpheus-- exactly...
First video of yours I've seen. I like your set dressing! That's all I want to say. I have nothing else to add at the moment haha
No fr ..her background is half the reason I like her channel 😂😂
Thank you..I thought I was the only one 🤷♂️
Everything was more like a personal opinion
I'm in Canada and the situation feels awfully similar, I've even seen 8 to 10 years experience for entry level jobs, I feel like the last 2 years I spent in school was for nothing ...
Use htb and thm instead of bootcamp.
Seems like the snake is eating itself. Conditions seem ripe in instability.
i saw a lot of entry level jobs asking for 2 years minimum of experience, im thinking thats why im applying for entry level. the best job site i found was glass door.
Good insights there Sandra.
I'll just add this...
There is a shortage of the people with the high end skills that are really in demand.
What there is no shortage of is people who heard "shortage" and were incorrectly led to believe that an undergrad degree or a 1 month bootcamp or whatever will be enough to get in the door and start earning 100K.
So there are unfortunately a lot of people in this bracket or 'shoes' and still a shortage of people three levels above them, this, you have nicely summed it up in the conversation.
What I'm gonna add to anyone reading this however is, don't give up the stuff you love, keep practicing and honing those skills and at the same time, keep looking for the most basic level jobs, could even be HelpDesk, or whatever, to get your foot in the door and start getting industry experience.
Go to another country with your qualifications then the US is not the only place on the planet....
😂😂😂😂😂😂
This comment is the "just print more money to lower inflation" 🤣
UK makes alot of since
@@HoneybadgerCesarright lol? Almost like "learn to code" the media said...