RVJ lets everyone drag him 12" over on their side of the pegs, no wonder he can't win these days......He needs to keep the match on his side of the table.
Hristo is a beast in that kings position it’s very hard to get him out of it. Looks like everyone is trying to take everything in the after pulls. Couple guys in including RVJ was just setting up fairly every time and letting them do what they want
Dragging against a kingsmove is THE WORST thing to do. Its just putting more pressure on your own fingers and wrist while tiring out your back pressure. Going to the front of the pad and posting is the answer. RVJ takes these after pulls like training since he stated he doesn't get to pull with high level pullers often enough.
Actually a smart move, made it so stuff couldn't escalate, and got the focus out of Auden who's still a young fella and put it on himself, and nobody is going to mess with an old Russian dude, lol. Obviously we don't know if this was his intent, but pretty cool of him if it was.
Korean hulk is very strong but I think the leverages were just too great and he wasn't aggressive at all in the setup. Would like to see him pull more.
Auden is on his way up. He is still Young. He is blessed with the height and hand size. He has the technique and armwrestling IQ for such a young age. Plus, he has the best trainer ever (devon). This kid will eventually be the top dog down the road when he eventually fills up and gets stronger.
Adam putting out the gold as usual 💪 Especially that last bit with Auden and RVJ, and hearing them talk you could overhear not only is RVJ on Auden/Devon's hit list, they invited him over to their house to train and RVJ is immediately suspicious of their true intention's as he should be haha 🤣
To be fair though, 1. Auden had his elbow off the bad like 60% of the time he was pulling against RVJ, and 2. he had his humerus in a downward angle in a losing position, so shoulder foul would have been called from that too, and he still got pinned so I don't know how much one can take from this in favor of Auden.
The favor is Auden is much younger and I don't think any reasonable person would think he would be anywhere close RVJ by now, yet by the way things went, maybe he'll be a serious threat too RVJ in no too long
@@Pepe-pq3om Maybe he will be. My point just was that nothing can be drawn from this table time clip since Auden was under 2 fauls pretty much the entire duration of the pull.
Devon knows how to build hype. He knows people would love this match, so an public after pull would kind of lose hype when we know what’s gonna kind of happen. Even the levan match. Even though levan was stronger devon still built a really good hype for that match
God bless you Adam. You are an inspiration to many. Your demeanor and attitude towards your opponents is a beautiful balance of competitiveness and compassion. Blessings on your journey brother. Amen.
I would disagree. I would say that John is the GOAT. Engin has made a lot of excitement with East vs West. I would say that Devon has been the best at spreading the word about arm wrestling. His celebrity was important to both King of the Table and East vs West after me and Larry helped spark interest in arm wrestling during the pandemic.
Love that auden has gotten the bug for competition.(real competition) gunna be fun to see how devon can correct the mistakes he may have made while learning the sport and instill it in auden
Hey Adam. It's awesome to see you appear you on podcasts and stuff like that. Could you get involved in a podcast such as the fix with Neil? You have been contributing so much behind the scenes while being a damn smart speaker and especially a fan so i do relate big time. I assume you're a very busy man
For all of RVJ's physical gifts, he needs to spend more time on the table working on setups, starts, and ensuring his wrist is there. His hand is massive, his arms are massive, but his wrist looks like a weak connection spot, and he seems never ready at the ready-go. His opponent is able to engage while he tries to react, and he's caught out of position too quickly.
RVJ got by for years being the top dog in his weight class in North America. It's just that the world stage is much tougher than the national one. So he's going to have to make some big changes if he wants to be competitive. He's got the tools he just needs to sharpen them up(a lot).
Crazy to see how strong korean hulk is it put in perspective auden really got super strong. I thought it was a bad miss match till i seen korean hulk dusting people auden would not normally beat a few months back. He put in the work.
@@AdamTheBodybuilderBully why do you think that he was not going to pull? On the conference before pulling with Levan he suggested to do that with Kvikviniya. And also w/o being official. He just wanted to propose Morozov to do that and he thought that Morozov will refuse in order to troll him 😀 it’s quite obvious Devon behavior
No. We were trying to get Devon vs Morozov to happen when Alex got injured. It couldn’t happen for a couple reasons. I won’t get into that. At the afterpull, I called them over to have a little fun. Only to build excitement for what is to come. They will have a match and I don’t think it will be a long wait. Devon still has to pull Oleg first.
That's a bit of a long story. It was actually the way the facility had their sound mixer routed. Oddly enough, he was in way over his head when we brought in this project. It was too much for him, and he literally walked off the job. Our sound guy basically had his hands tied. Terrible situation.
No he was trying to do a hit like we are in a supermatch when i told him several times SLOW because i have a tournament soon lol everyone saw it trust me
No disrespect but am I the only one that stopped watching RVJ pull the Ref once I heard Devon in the background talking about Brian Shaw and Eddie Hall? lol
Nugo shocked me that guys a tweaker id love to see him way more. Morozov looked the best to date. Like a brick wall. He is ready for levon. To me levon needs to compete much more . Even if he would stomp everyone who cares . At his strength and size he should be taking matches one after another. I believe he is as good as he is somewhat because he is not as banged up as the other guys. Georgie too id love to see him more. Im going to train hard it is time to come out of my cave in wisconsin 😊
He’s strong but not ready for Levan. Morozov didn’t really pull him. He often will do exactly what he did at other afterpulls. He doesn’t usually actually pull.
Ojalá y la dinastía Devon siga Haci y sus hijos se conviertan en los mejores ,les falta mucho trayecto pero están en el camino ,lastima que en México es muy difícil ver estos eventos y la gente acá no se familiarisa mucho con este deporte ,todos los eventos platico de esto con amigos y demás gente y nadie sabe ni que es esto o que existe estás competencias ,falta mayor exposición en países de Latinoamérica ,para hacer crecer este deporte ojalá y pronto los dueños de esto traigan a México estos eventos y le den a conocer a toda Latinoamérica que es lo que se hace,por qué es tan hermoso este deporte y los difícil que es mantener el nivel .
Ok, I don't get this. Coach Ray just hit into the Korean Hulk and the Hulk just pulled him back like he was nothing!!! How did Auden beat the Hulk so easily. I mean did they pay the Korean Hulk to lose on purpose, this doesn't add up!
Auden is bigger then he looks, has a really good technic and a very strong hand, so the Korean Hulk couldn't access his arm power. Ray couldn't really do the same, even though his arm might be stronger than Auden's
hate to say it, but Auden will be special. You can't teach size + technique. having one of the greatest coach coaching you every damn day doesn't hurt. notice how strong Hulk is against the coach. Hulk is strong, but his Achile's Heel is a tall dude with a long lever. He can't access his power. Style does matter. Hulk needs to fight against someone under 6ft. Power is definitely there.
He's actually a great arm wrestler. He hadn't been training arm wrestling specifically for awhile until the match was agreed upon. He's the real deal, but his hands are small, so he has trouble with big hands. Although 7 years ago, he gave MichaelmTodd a very good match.
Not yet. I'd like to see Dallas arm wrestle higher level guys when they are fresh, not in an afterpull. Dallas is my friend, and I know he's strong, but I still need to see his level more clearly.
Oh man Georgie always puts a smile on my face, he just looks so friendly and nice.
I was sad that hardly anyone wanted to play with him.
@@halbrittsounds suss 💀😂💀
@@halbritt bro is a unit, he might be playing, but I'd be scared to get my arm ripped lol.
@@halbritt you don't mess around with Georgie haha
@@bluekeybo Pretty sure that's why nobody wanted to touch his hand. They were afraid to lose it.
19:30 Devon supporting his son to get in the guy's head so passive aggressively is hilarious 😂
🤣
Auden armwrestling style is like Michael Todd and devons style combined. My least favorite style, but there is no doubt it's effective
In this practice pull maybe. In his supermatches, he didn’t open up at all, he pulls how vitaly just beat morozov right handed.
I’m New to the sport can you briefly explain what you mean by those 2styles ? That would help me a lot 🙏🏼
@@StoneStraiff woow, 2 of the worst styles. Awesooome
@@coach-bensboth Devon and Michael Todd live under the table
@@ehhhhh596 aaah ok i see i have yet to feel what it’s like under the table like that but i imagine that it’s a very defensive approach ?
I would have loved to have listened to Devon's conversations. Dude's charisma and passion for the sport is unparalleled.
Yes sir
Korean Hulk has serious power. He just needs to be way more aggressive in the setup.
Yes I agree.
his there to get payed not win ;)
@@Erodenmark yeah lol
RVJ lets everyone drag him 12" over on their side of the pegs, no wonder he can't win these days......He needs to keep the match on his side of the table.
Hristo is a beast in that kings position it’s very hard to get him out of it. Looks like everyone is trying to take everything in the after pulls. Couple guys in including RVJ was just setting up fairly every time and letting them do what they want
Dragging against a kingsmove is THE WORST thing to do. Its just putting more pressure on your own fingers and wrist while tiring out your back pressure.
Going to the front of the pad and posting is the answer.
RVJ takes these after pulls like training since he stated he doesn't get to pull with high level pullers often enough.
@@rileyneufeld7001 I am not talking about once he is there, I am saying he should be letting himself get there in the first place......
What the heck was Babken doing? Trying to start a fight?
🤣 I think he was trying to help protect Auden.
So my eyes didn't deceive me, I was very confused there
Actually a smart move, made it so stuff couldn't escalate, and got the focus out of Auden who's still a young fella and put it on himself, and nobody is going to mess with an old Russian dude, lol. Obviously we don't know if this was his intent, but pretty cool of him if it was.
I thought the same thing.
@@Pepe-pq3om agree
Devon is coming back to super heavy weight again.......mf is so interesting!!!
He has the ability to go up and down.
@@AdamTheBodybuilderBully exactly 💯
Is he?
@@shirowolff9147not yet
For a second I was worried that the Gennady rematch wouldn't happen anymore!
Thank you Adam 🙏
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
always surprised at how beastly adam silver is
Thanks man. I'm at a starting point again. Give me a few months. I hope to surprise some people.
Good afterpull for sure.
Definitely! Thanks for watchibg Jake. You're a beast!
Korean hulk is very strong but I think the leverages were just too great and he wasn't aggressive at all in the setup. Would like to see him pull more.
Agreed!
20:16 rvj mad with babken
🤣
Kind of a shit thing to do, potential injury
@@mintkondish7396Yeah kind of a douche for him to do that
@@aldinoindra2742 complete douche
Auden vs RVJ supermatch.
Not great match up , Not yet at least . Maybe one more or two years , or more.
Perhaps some day.
Auden needs to be told to stand up before he can have a match with RVJ. It looks really bad that he is under the table like Todd.
Rvj was MAD Auden was keeping up, I think he is ready for that match
Great video bro!! It was great to see you again! And I’ll see u in vegas soon 🙌🏽
Thanks for being there Dallas!
Auden is on his way up. He is still
Young. He is blessed with the height and hand size. He has the technique and armwrestling IQ for such a young age. Plus, he has the best trainer ever (devon). This kid will eventually be the top dog down the road when he eventually fills up and gets stronger.
He has the genetics and the potential to do it
Auden impressive vs RVJ 😮
Yes!
Auden leveling up crazy. I doubt he is even on juice yet. Hes hitting peak natural testosterone build up at his current age.
@@kasavaman007 Devon mentioned it during RVJ vs Auden practice. Devon said "And he is clean RVJ..."
In the thumbnail devon looking clean and fresh😂
damn high quality
Thanks man!
Always a pleasure to see crisp footage. Nice man
Thanks!
Thanks Adam 💪🏻
Thanks for watching!
High Quality video. Thanks Adam! 🦾
Glad you enjoyed it!
man, the Korean hulk should have been Larry's first match at KOTT...avenge his loss to him a while back
That would have been good!
I love how RBJ was trying to tell Devon Larratt what was up. That’s funny to me 🤣
Adam putting out the gold as usual 💪
Especially that last bit with Auden and RVJ, and hearing them talk you could overhear not only is RVJ on Auden/Devon's hit list, they invited him over to their house to train and RVJ is immediately suspicious of their true intention's as he should be haha 🤣
🤣
This is lit content. Thank you Adam
Thanks man!
To be fair though,
1. Auden had his elbow off the bad like 60% of the time he was pulling against RVJ, and
2. he had his humerus in a downward angle in a losing position, so shoulder foul would have been called from that too,
and he still got pinned so I don't know how much one can take from this in favor of Auden.
Yes to all of that. He was just having fun.
The favor is Auden is much younger and I don't think any reasonable person would think he would be anywhere close RVJ by now, yet by the way things went, maybe he'll be a serious threat too RVJ in no too long
ya, 1 year from now, what kinda monster will Auden be 🤔
@@Pepe-pq3om Maybe he will be. My point just was that nothing can be drawn from this table time clip since Auden was under 2 fauls pretty much the entire duration of the pull.
@@Pepe-pq3om not if he armwrestle him in his category not open
Georgi is one of the most likeable dudes ive ever seen. Love him.
He’s awesome! The sweetest guy!
Devon knows how to build hype. He knows people would love this match, so an public after pull would kind of lose hype when we know what’s gonna kind of happen.
Even the levan match. Even though levan was stronger devon still built a really good hype for that match
Yes! You got it!
I loved it when Dad Devon came over and started talking shit to RVJ 😂
🤣
Hristo is actually seriously strong!!!
For 70-75 he is!
Very strong. I felt it. His arm is like iron.
God bless you Adam. You are an inspiration to many. Your demeanor and attitude towards your opponents is a beautiful balance of competitiveness and compassion. Blessings on your journey brother. Amen.
Thanks man! I appreciate that!
Great video Adam! 🔥
Thanks man!
Some wonderful afterpulls. Thank you for posting!
Glad you enjoyed it
3:32 that was one heck of a war omg
Yes it was! Azoz is strong.
Awesome, thank you for everything!
Any time!
14:07 Nice match and good adjustments from the guy on the left.
Nedalin is too strong for him in a hook.
Auden gonna be coming for everyone in a few years.
Yes, he has a lot of potential.
engin, john brzenk, and allen fisher have achieved a million times more accomplishments than devon or auden could ever dream to have
devon hater lmfao
I would disagree. I would say that John is the GOAT. Engin has made a lot of excitement with East vs West. I would say that Devon has been the best at spreading the word about arm wrestling. His celebrity was important to both King of the Table and East vs West after me and Larry helped spark interest in arm wrestling during the pandemic.
Rvj Devin debate needs to continue on RUclips today
lol yes
Thx Adam for this!
You’re welcome!
Love that auden has gotten the bug for competition.(real competition) gunna be fun to see how devon can correct the mistakes he may have made while learning the sport and instill it in auden
Yes for sure.
Hey Adam.
It's awesome to see you appear you on podcasts and stuff like that.
Could you get involved in a podcast such as the fix with Neil?
You have been contributing so much behind the scenes while being a damn smart speaker and especially a fan so i do relate big time.
I assume you're a very busy man
Sure. If Neil invites me, I’d do it. I’ve been in it before but it was a long time ago.
Thank you Adam!! You rock brother. Much love. Keep bullying these noobs!
Thanks man!
For all of RVJ's physical gifts, he needs to spend more time on the table working on setups, starts, and ensuring his wrist is there. His hand is massive, his arms are massive, but his wrist looks like a weak connection spot, and he seems never ready at the ready-go. His opponent is able to engage while he tries to react, and he's caught out of position too quickly.
Perhaps. I don’t know about his training routine.
RVJ got by for years being the top dog in his weight class in North America. It's just that the world stage is much tougher than the national one. So he's going to have to make some big changes if he wants to be competitive. He's got the tools he just needs to sharpen them up(a lot).
I would extend this to a lot of top American arm wrestlers. It’s just a fact that a lot of these guys from other countries are far ahead of us.
Crazy to see how strong korean hulk is it put in perspective auden really got super strong. I thought it was a bad miss match till i seen korean hulk dusting people auden would not normally beat a few months back. He put in the work.
Yes
Damn auden giving rvj problems 😮
Yes he did
And devon swooping in with the "he(auden) is clean" i get flashback to RVJ challenging devon if both clean😂
This video os better than the actual event
Thanks. We definitely had some technical issues with this event. I'm glad that Don immediately came out and explained the situation.
Devon looked like psycho sid in the thumbnail 😂
Rip sycho sid
Well, he's a clown 🤡
This should've been the main event.
Aww, we had some great matches at KOTT 12, but thanks for the nice comment.
that ref's forearm is hugee
Adam the Bellybuilder 💪
Maybe one day...actually never. I'm too fat in my old age. 🤣
Devons son now sounds EXACTLY like him. Its wilddddddddd.
Subscribed!
Thanks!
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I agree with you! His strength level is incredible!
Oh their are Mallus!🇮🇳
Yeah. V r
Wow artyom is very tall. Like he almost looks lanky despite being so jacked
If you watch his old arm wrestling matches, he does look a bit lanky. He filled out over the years.
Thank you for the video!!!!
Thanks for watching!
When you start as a kid 19 is your peak. Rvj speaking truth
No way. I know many arm wrestlers that started as kids that are amaing this day.
Love the content you put out adam
Thanks man!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
classic devon running away like chicken from morozov
Naaa. This isn't the time to do a match between them. They both know it needs to be official.
@@AdamTheBodybuilderBullyif Devon wanted to do it officials then he should NOT start to pull with him
He wasn’t going to. It’s just to build excitement.
@@AdamTheBodybuilderBully why do you think that he was not going to pull? On the conference before pulling with Levan he suggested to do that with Kvikviniya. And also w/o being official. He just wanted to propose Morozov to do that and he thought that Morozov will refuse in order to troll him 😀 it’s quite obvious Devon behavior
No. We were trying to get Devon vs Morozov to happen when Alex got injured. It couldn’t happen for a couple reasons. I won’t get into that. At the afterpull, I called them over to have a little fun. Only to build excitement for what is to come. They will have a match and I don’t think it will be a long wait. Devon still has to pull Oleg first.
afterpull never dissapoint
Thanks!
Why is the sound so great in this but not the stream? 🤷
That's a bit of a long story. It was actually the way the facility had their sound mixer routed. Oddly enough, he was in way over his head when we brought in this project. It was too much for him, and he literally walked off the job. Our sound guy basically had his hands tied. Terrible situation.
Its crazy i know i was subscribed to your channel but it said i wasn't so i subbed again
Welcome back!
@@AdamTheBodybuilderBully 💪💪❤
TYSM very informative video
Most welcome 😊
@9:30 Dallas starts at an advantage every time, then starts crying someone did it to him lol
No he was trying to do a hit like we are in a supermatch when i told him several times SLOW because i have a tournament soon lol everyone saw it trust me
Yes, what Dallas is saying is true.
@@flashmanwade except the audio caught none of that. Even when he was pinning you, "YOU A CHEATER? YOU LIKE TO CHEAT?" cmon son.
@@0oMag🫶🏽
@@AdamTheBodybuilderBully but Dallas was causing a lot of elbow fouls right?.
bro auden is literally devon lmao
He is his father’s son, but he’s a really cool kid if you get to meet him sometime. Very nice and respectful, smart.
its like Def Jam Fight for New York, where the refs are playable characters ;P
🤣
30's & 40's Devon's like, i beg to differ.
is Babken and Devon cool now or??
probably..adults dont hold grudge that long...its another day for them and move along
@@joedoe-zt7fr I guess so
Arm olymp channel has been dead for a minute now but it might have something to do with youtube ousting Russian content creators
Yeah, Devon has a great respect for Babken and it goes both ways. They sorted things out. I think Devon understood that Babken is also a cool guy.
Lets be honest we all are here for the Larrats
Coach ray would beat Hulk I thought
Welll, I hope to see oithers...new up and comers always pop into these videos
When Devon showed up after rvj beat Auden like whats going on here 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣
Did Coach Ray say, "Auden is F'ing strong!", after pulling Korean Hulk? Lol.
Yeah and I also noticed she told that kinda 😁😎 Motivation words Yeaaah Buddy
Thanks Adam for deleting negative comments about Auden!
Actually I don’t really delete many comments. People can make negative criticism. It has to be really over the line for me to delete a comment.
@@AdamTheBodybuilderBully Fair point! Just noticed that the most negative comment is gone.
Ahh okay
I see devon i click ❤
❤️
those training videos of auden pinning devon are real!!!!
Audens been 19 for four years lmao
schoolboy has been one for 20 years
That was a good one!
We wont to see fight with Larratt junior vs Scoolboy.
Nope give auden 1 more year
No disrespect but am I the only one that stopped watching RVJ pull the Ref once I heard Devon in the background talking about Brian Shaw and Eddie Hall? lol
same 😂😂
13:15 man i guessed that those dudes were Bulgarian from their facial features and attitudes but I didn't think that they would actually be Bulgarians
Yes, beasts!
only me: noticed the giant woman in the background
Katarina Kavaleva, a professional Kickboxer
Are you still filming for Larry Wheels, Adam?
I am not.
@@AdamTheBodybuilderBullyWhen did you stop filming with him, if you don’t answering?
A few months ago
Nugo shocked me that guys a tweaker id love to see him way more. Morozov looked the best to date. Like a brick wall. He is ready for levon. To me levon needs to compete much more . Even if he would stomp everyone who cares . At his strength and size he should be taking matches one after another. I believe he is as good as he is somewhat because he is not as banged up as the other guys. Georgie too id love to see him more. Im going to train hard it is time to come out of my cave in wisconsin 😊
He’s strong but not ready for Levan. Morozov didn’t really pull him. He often will do exactly what he did at other afterpulls. He doesn’t usually actually pull.
Ojalá y la dinastía Devon siga Haci y sus hijos se conviertan en los mejores ,les falta mucho trayecto pero están en el camino ,lastima que en México es muy difícil ver estos eventos y la gente acá no se familiarisa mucho con este deporte ,todos los eventos platico de esto con amigos y demás gente y nadie sabe ni que es esto o que existe estás competencias ,falta mayor exposición en países de Latinoamérica ,para hacer crecer este deporte ojalá y pronto los dueños de esto traigan a México estos eventos y le den a conocer a toda Latinoamérica que es lo que se hace,por qué es tan hermoso este deporte y los difícil que es mantener el nivel .
Perhaps some qualifiers can happen in Mexico.
That mini pekka kinda strong
Devon is 100% right? You can always improve as you get older to a Certain point it's a strength sport not football 😂
RVJ was joking
Yes he was
How? 'I saw a girl taller than Devon and taller than Marozov.😂
Devon has a photo taken with her on his ig story. She is talllll.
She is 6'4 mma fighter
@@NayNooot WT* 😂
Thank you!
Ok, I don't get this. Coach Ray just hit into the Korean Hulk and the Hulk just pulled him back like he was nothing!!! How did Auden beat the Hulk so easily. I mean did they pay the Korean Hulk to lose on purpose, this doesn't add up!
Auden is bigger then he looks, has a really good technic and a very strong hand, so the Korean Hulk couldn't access his arm power. Ray couldn't really do the same, even though his arm might be stronger than Auden's
Because Auden knows how to manipulate the setup like his dad does giving him the illusion of being a lot stronger than he is
Auden vs KHulk was a bit similar to Emres vs Devon. People said that Ermes took money to lose lol, but its all about styles and technicality my fren
Yeah, I guess the setup and the ready go are the most important things in an arm wrestling match...
that long lever is achiles heel. hulk is big, but he is very short with short arm. and auden is a future star in this sport.
RVJ off the juice? That’s awesome, he has kids now he can be around a lot longer.
hate to say it, but Auden will be special. You can't teach size + technique. having one of the greatest coach coaching you every damn day doesn't hurt.
notice how strong Hulk is against the coach. Hulk is strong, but his Achile's Heel is a tall dude with a long lever. He can't access his power. Style does matter. Hulk needs to fight against someone under 6ft. Power is definitely there.
Besides the long levers, the hand size was an issue.
6:10 ahahaha much respect, Look at him against Denis then see what respect I have to give
Devon respect
For sure
Anyoneelse heard Devon talk bout Eddie and Brian in the background 😂
Yup
RVJ was so salty😂
RVJ hasn’t practiced at all. He looks super awkward on the table.
I think this lit a fire under him.
Too little too late.
Adam what do you think about Korean Hulk? He looks strong there in afterpull
He's actually a great arm wrestler. He hadn't been training arm wrestling specifically for awhile until the match was agreed upon. He's the real deal, but his hands are small, so he has trouble with big hands. Although 7 years ago, he gave MichaelmTodd a very good match.
Good stuff👍👍
Thanks!
Auden hanging off the table just like his papa ...
RUclips algorithm boosting comment 💪 ... Dallas Wade should get a match somewhere ... vs 🤔 at EvW Challenger series, something like that.
Not yet. I'd like to see Dallas arm wrestle higher level guys when they are fresh, not in an afterpull. Dallas is my friend, and I know he's strong, but I still need to see his level more clearly.