Sam, could you please make a video that shows a roadmap of 'game changing' batteries and their energy densities and the state of development that they are in? (So lab/development, pre-production, mass production). We have so much good news every day that I loose track...
So you are not familiar with experimenting. Boy - how did you learn to stabd and walk...you fell thousands of times as a toddler...and that's happening here: people try thousands of configurations to get better batteries...most people will fail...but this means that other people don't have try this way again and go for other configurations. It's literally evolution...fail, fail, fail and fail until eventually a progress is being achieved...
I'm not a MEMBER Sam but I have always hit the LIKE on every single video that I've watched. This is an amazing channel! I haven't found another even remotely close to this. Congrats!
Battery cells always involve some tradeoffs, power density, temperature coefficient, safety, charge rate, longevity, cost, manufacturability, etc etc. Pick the ones you want to optimize. You can't have them all, at least not yet, but what we have now works pretty well. Well enough to make cars profitably, if you do it right.
If it’s merely at patent stage, it will take several years (not 3-4) to potentially reach the market in decent quantities. That’s if it can be mass produced at low cost. Most die in the technology ‘valley of death’ before seeing the light of day.
Why would anyone make an EV with 1000 mile range? Batteries are Heavy. You don't want to be hauling unused capacity around on every trip. You could cut the weight in half, and have more than 500 mile range because the car is lighter.
A tip for you Sam: there's something well worth you knowing about battery chemistry that will definitely help you deal with this seemingly endless flood of new battery technology announcements. It turns out that "seemingly" is wrong! I've been keeping up with the overall flow of new technology announcements since the early 70s. Guess what? New battery chemistries just happen to be by far the most common, frequent and consistent category of technological innovation there has ever been since the invention of the very first battery by Volta in 1800. There certainly seems to have been at least one new battery innovation story a week for the last 50 years that I've been keeping up with developments, with many weeks having at least one new patentable discovery and several actual patent stories cropping up once a month. In other words, the whole 'new battery chemistry bonanza' we're going through at the moment is not really anything brand new after all. But that obviously doesn't mean that actual battery production or consumption is not going up, or that we aren't going to see the kinds of breakthroughs that the new chemistry projects are announcing all the time. It just gets harder, not easier, to 'pick winners'.
Electric Vehicles are still in their infancy. There will be many new approaches vying for market share in the years ahead. Always interesting to watch this race unfold.
Well with tariffs at 100% and government protection for auto industry, along with petro industry lobbying against it along with spreading FUD about range anxiety. No wonder it faces a challenge. Said the same thing about internet and newspapers.
Difficult to judge without any number. What do they expect for engery density and cycles? I can believe that if they are build from cheap materials, they can make it potentially cheap.
I don't know anything about the new battery technologies but I'm almost more excited for new small cells for powertools, drones, lawnmowers and other stuff than for EVs.
Even if the new batteries are not suitable for automotive grade packs any technology that makes it into production will help control cost of by reducing demand for materials that are needed for automotive grade batteries.
Potassium silicate is not made from rocks and pebbles. It's made from mixing sand and potassium hydroxide and/or potassium carbonate and heated in a furnace to around 1400C, where it fuses into potassium silicate. There you go.
@@icosthop9998 About $0.35/pound to produce. Oxy Chem and PQ Corp are large manufacturers of sodium silicate and potassium silicate. Lithium is around $4.75/#.
Another new battery chemistry to make BEVs usable? I've had my Model 3 for over 3 years, made trips of over 1,250 miles each way and never had a charging issue. BEVs are currently way safer than Hybrids or pure ICE cars, have little or no maintenance or even service requirements. BEVs are already the best choice for most people, period.
Are you saying EVs don’t need servicing? I can accept they don’t have oil or air intake filters, but they still have tyres, windscreen wipers, brakes, air conditioning systems, all of which benefit from some attention or replacement parts. I can’t see how EVs solve the mundane dust, dirt, wet, wear and tear, carelessness of human activity that wrecks or wears out most cars
Ummmm, who says so? Somebody did an accelerated life test, and yeah they degrade when they're real hot. Extrapolated out to normal temps, they last just as long. Life of the car long.
Battery chemistry and the processes to make them are changing regularly. Lithium will get replaced with something cheaper and easier. It's a process over years and decades not a light switch in your house. Ck out Form Energy batteries for the grid. I don't see Li batteries hanging onto that market, and that market is huge.
I for one enjoy hearing about different batteries that are being developed. Not all batteries will make it, but I still like hearing what is being worked on
Game-changer #459. Maybe it will replace lithium... but most likely in 10 years time we will still have lithium batteries in EV's. Industrial inertia has set in.
Probably, there was some significant improvements in lithium batteries this year and there's some impressive tech coming next year too and probably the year after that. By the time this product ever makes it to market it would have to be something really special to overthrow lithium. As an investor, I wouldn't bet on that happening or this company.
Yeap... even if we think current EVs, batteries are amazing. Technology is still in early phases... It is like airplanes from the 80s They were amazing but few decades and they totally different tech.
The sodium battery was demonstrated on a lab bench back in the 1970s and the NiCad battery demonstrated back in the 1950s but it took until the seventies for the NiCad to be a commercial reality and the sodium battery is only just becoming a commercial reality so I wouldn't hold my breath on any new technology. Working on economical production methods and getting finance takes time.
500 miles/charge and 5,000 charges minimum and you would have a great vehicle. Then you toss in fast charging, say 15mn to full, that would make it game over for sure for ICE.
These types of stories are great and exciting. However, in the big picture of the EV rollout, how are car companies supposed to plan their EV production when they have to look a minimum of 3 years out? Both Ford and GM have build huge battery factories costing over a billion dollars each. If the battery chemistry changes is it simple to reprogram the factory or does it require it to be shut down for a year to retool? This is must one of many reasons the rollout in the US at least, will take several more years. Would you as a CEO like to send out a letter to shareholders explaining why it's taking so long? It's a very complex situation.
Potassium has an atomic weight of 39. Silicon has an atomic weight of 28. Lithium, on the other hand, has an atomic weight of 6.9. Like you said, potassium silicate is feldspar, a rock. These batteries are going to be heavy as a rock.
Exactly - the ratio of protons and neutrons ('dead weight') to the active (outer shell) electrons (no weight) is what ultimately determines the possible, theoretical, mass energy density ( whr/kg) with an indeterminate extra weight of electrolytes,anodes,casing, cooling etc etc so we should be able to calculate the Maximum attainable energy density based on atomic number and valence . Any idea what that is? We need to know where present batteries are on the typical 'S' curve and the maximum possible - Sam seems to think that energy densities can increase by many multiples just because of time and more research , someone with chemical engineering know how might watch this channel and expand on your comment.....
This is the first time that I've ever heard of a potassium silicate battery but it makes sense to considering silicon has been added two batteries to increase their energy density and potassium is placed on the periodic table
You'll be glad to know they already exist ... Zinc-Air batteries can use vegatable derived gel's for their electrolytes. Plus Glasgow's James Watt School of Engineering design a vegatable starch (sugar) battery a number of years back.
Batteries are a lot like computers: Don't buy one today because tomorrow the next generation will hit the marked, and the one you bought today will be useless. Tomorrow will be the same. I went three years in the early 1990s not buying a computer because of that. Eventually, I gave up and bought a computer, the best I could find. Next day Gateway introduced a new one, double the speed, three times the storage, etc., and only ten% higher price. Bummer.
Yet another "latest and greatest battery" that will disappear into the ether in a week only to be replaced by the next "latest and greatest battery" which will also disappear into the ether. And so on …
Yep Talking about new battery technology over and over. Again, and *"AGAiN"* is getting *_"Pretty DAMN Old"_* when none of them come to furission(sp) ! 🤦🏼❕️ ~○~
Revolving door of all of this crap. Pushing out the BS huh sam? Maybe you should take a break from RUclips and spend some solid time with your family instead.
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I was starting to worry, it must be a whole day since I heard there's a revolutionary new battery on the way
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Fret not. There may be another in 6 hrs 😅
@@robertfonovic3551 L😂L
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I appreciate the blow by blow of this frenzied technological race for battery supremacy. Huge implications for technology in general.
The game-changing battery of the day.
Don't blink. We are gonna have Quantum batteries by *"Tomorrow"* .
Mass produced & everything ⚡️💡⚡️
(Finally) ⏳️
Sam, could you please make a video that shows a roadmap of 'game changing' batteries and their energy densities and the state of development that they are in? (So lab/development, pre-production, mass production). We have so much good news every day that I loose track...
😂
Wow. Another battery chemistry of the week. Kind of like cooking recipes, a never-ending better way to cook something or power something.
So you are not familiar with experimenting. Boy - how did you learn to stabd and walk...you fell thousands of times as a toddler...and that's happening here: people try thousands of configurations to get better batteries...most people will fail...but this means that other people don't have try this way again and go for other configurations. It's literally evolution...fail, fail, fail and fail until eventually a progress is being achieved...
@@carlwest859 Don't blink. We are gonna have Quantum batteries by *"Tomorrow"* .
Mass produced & everything ⚡️💡⚡️
(Finally) ⏳️
I'm not a MEMBER Sam but I have always hit the LIKE on every single video that I've watched. This is an amazing channel! I haven't found another even remotely close to this. Congrats!
Interesting, but I start to celebrate when they are on the open market for affordable prices :)
Battery cells always involve some tradeoffs, power density, temperature coefficient, safety, charge rate, longevity, cost, manufacturability, etc etc. Pick the ones you want to optimize. You can't have them all, at least not yet, but what we have now works pretty well. Well enough to make cars profitably, if you do it right.
Cars are athletes; they need their electrolytes! Sodium, potassium & magnesium. Drop the lithium, it's only for... Bipolar cars, lol.
If it’s merely at patent stage, it will take several years (not 3-4) to potentially reach the market in decent quantities. That’s if it can be mass produced at low cost. Most die in the technology ‘valley of death’ before seeing the light of day.
Don't blink. We are gonna have Quantum batteries by *"Tomorrow"* .
Mass produced & everything ⚡️💡⚡️
(Finally) ⏳️
no not 3-4....atleast 10 years
LFP, Sodium, potassium, and so on and so forth....
Yep 😊
It’s not coincidence…. Cesium next!
Xenon Sulfur eventually?
Why would anyone make an EV with 1000 mile range? Batteries are Heavy. You don't want to be hauling unused capacity around on every trip. You could cut the weight in half, and have more than 500 mile range because the car is lighter.
A tip for you Sam: there's something well worth you knowing about battery chemistry that will definitely help you deal with this seemingly endless flood of new battery technology announcements. It turns out that "seemingly" is wrong! I've been keeping up with the overall flow of new technology announcements since the early 70s. Guess what? New battery chemistries just happen to be by far the most common, frequent and consistent category of technological innovation there has ever been since the invention of the very first battery by Volta in 1800. There certainly seems to have been at least one new battery innovation story a week for the last 50 years that I've been keeping up with developments, with many weeks having at least one new patentable discovery and several actual patent stories cropping up once a month. In other words, the whole 'new battery chemistry bonanza' we're going through at the moment is not really anything brand new after all. But that obviously doesn't mean that actual battery production or consumption is not going up, or that we aren't going to see the kinds of breakthroughs that the new chemistry projects are announcing all the time. It just gets harder, not easier, to 'pick winners'.
Never seems to stop getting better
Electric Vehicles are still in their infancy. There will be many new approaches vying for market share in the years ahead. Always interesting to watch this race unfold.
Well with tariffs at 100% and government protection for auto industry, along with petro industry lobbying against it along with spreading FUD about range anxiety. No wonder it faces a challenge. Said the same thing about internet and newspapers.
Difficult to judge without any number. What do they expect for engery density and cycles? I can believe that if they are build from cheap materials, they can make it potentially cheap.
Love these advancements!
Don't blink. We are gonna have Quantum batteries by *"Tomorrow"* .
Mass produced & everything ⚡️💡⚡️
(Finally) ⏳️
I don't know anything about the new battery technologies but I'm almost more excited for new small cells for powertools, drones, lawnmowers and other stuff than for EVs.
@@erik.... youtube is not your personal powertool-erotica fanfic website.
All the articles I can find say potassium silicate is the electrolyte, they say nothing about the anode and cathode materials.
Maybe they haven't quite figured that out yet. Which could take years of theory, trial and error, and testing over various conditions.
Even if the new batteries are not suitable for automotive grade packs any technology that makes it into production will help control cost of by reducing demand for materials that are needed for automotive grade batteries.
Potassium silicate is not made from rocks and pebbles. It's made from mixing sand and potassium hydroxide and/or potassium carbonate and heated in a furnace to around 1400C, where it fuses into potassium silicate. There you go.
Finally some real information. Thank you!
TY
But it sounds very expensive to produce. 😮
@@icosthop9998 About $0.35/pound to produce. Oxy Chem and PQ Corp are large manufacturers of sodium silicate and potassium silicate. Lithium is around $4.75/#.
@@icosthop9998 10x less then lithium.
@@icosthop9998 It's about 10X less expensive than producing lithium.
Cheers brother
Different chemistries for different applications!
Definitely and obviously 🙄
Another new battery chemistry to make BEVs usable? I've had my Model 3 for over 3 years, made trips of over 1,250 miles each way and never had a charging issue. BEVs are currently way safer than Hybrids or pure ICE cars, have little or no maintenance or even service requirements.
BEVs are already the best choice for most people, period.
Yawn.
@@redriver9000 But the complainers will always say "there's no infrastructure!"
Are you saying EVs don’t need servicing? I can accept they don’t have oil or air intake filters, but they still have tyres, windscreen wipers, brakes, air conditioning systems, all of which benefit from some attention or replacement parts. I can’t see how EVs solve the mundane dust, dirt, wet, wear and tear, carelessness of human activity that wrecks or wears out most cars
Hope they will be better than LFP batteries, which turns out to be an inferior batteries, which degrade even faster than NMC batteries.
Ummmm, who says so? Somebody did an accelerated life test, and yeah they degrade when they're real hot. Extrapolated out to normal temps, they last just as long. Life of the car long.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Yes but no better than the NMC counterpart.
Waou, monday already…
c'est wow en anglais gros
How many times have I heard this? A new type of battery that will revolutionize everything and we are still using lithium batteries
Only in the u.s. the rest of the world uses lfp.
Let him cook!
@@arthurkirsch8188AI, and lots of money to be made = much more effective research than on the past. More research more discoveries.
Battery chemistry and the processes to make them are changing regularly.
Lithium will get replaced with something cheaper and easier. It's a process over years and decades not a light switch in your house.
Ck out Form Energy batteries for the grid. I don't see Li batteries hanging onto that market, and that market is huge.
I for one enjoy hearing about different batteries that are being developed. Not all batteries will make it, but I still like hearing what is being worked on
Game-changer #459. Maybe it will replace lithium... but most likely in 10 years time we will still have lithium batteries in EV's. Industrial inertia has set in.
Don't blink. We are gonna have Quantum batteries by *"Tomorrow"* .
Mass produced & everything ⚡️💡⚡️
(Finally) ⏳️
Probably, there was some significant improvements in lithium batteries this year and there's some impressive tech coming next year too and probably the year after that. By the time this product ever makes it to market it would have to be something really special to overthrow lithium. As an investor, I wouldn't bet on that happening or this company.
I think sodium batteries are going to be the thing going forward….i know I want some just because of the fire hazard…..
Called it tomato battery, tomato high in potassium.
Yeap... even if we think current EVs, batteries are amazing. Technology is still in early phases... It is like airplanes from the 80s They were amazing but few decades and they totally different tech.
Tesla dry cathode 4680 are some sort of Solid State Batteries in version 2.
The sodium battery was demonstrated on a lab bench back in the 1970s and the NiCad battery demonstrated back in the 1950s but it took until the seventies for the NiCad to be a commercial reality and the sodium battery is only just becoming a commercial reality so I wouldn't hold my breath on any new technology. Working on economical production methods and getting finance takes time.
Nikola Tesla used salts of lithium batteries in 1899 at his Colorado Springs Lab. Pictures with receipts.
You put millions of dollars into R&D, you can step things up a bit.
These game changers seem to be coming along about as regularly as buses; one every few minutes?
500 miles/charge and 5,000 charges minimum and you would have a great vehicle. Then you toss in fast charging, say 15mn to full, that would make it game over for sure for ICE.
No, some people would still come up with lame excuses.
These types of stories are great and exciting. However, in the big picture of the EV rollout, how are car companies supposed to plan their EV production when they have to look a minimum of 3 years out? Both Ford and GM have build huge battery factories costing over a billion dollars each. If the battery chemistry changes is it simple to reprogram the factory or does it require it to be shut down for a year to retool? This is must one of many reasons the rollout in the US at least, will take several more years. Would you as a CEO like to send out a letter to shareholders explaining why it's taking so long? It's a very complex situation.
A lot of phylosophical statements and ideas but no specs of a potasium silicate battery or whether the thing can actually store energy. 😞
Morning bro I got bloody muted again
Just for mentioning the time of day! That’s outrageous. Evening Mr Mawson 🤔
👍👍
Make a battery out of anything you like, andfully charge in 10 seconds.
It is cost and scale that matters.
Behold, a miracle.....again
Thank you for keeping us up to date on research.
Cycle life? The Lifepo4 has cells that are rated at over 80% after 8000 cycles and they safe and are well tested in real world use.
Potassium has an atomic weight of 39. Silicon has an atomic weight of 28. Lithium, on the other hand, has an atomic weight of 6.9. Like you said, potassium silicate is feldspar, a rock. These batteries are going to be heavy as a rock.
Exactly - the ratio of protons and neutrons ('dead weight') to the active (outer shell) electrons (no weight) is what ultimately determines the possible, theoretical, mass energy density ( whr/kg) with an indeterminate extra weight of electrolytes,anodes,casing, cooling etc etc so we should be able to calculate the Maximum attainable energy density based on atomic number and valence . Any idea what that is? We need to know where present batteries are on the typical 'S' curve and the maximum possible - Sam seems to think that energy densities can increase by many multiples just because of time and more research , someone with chemical engineering know how might watch this channel and expand on your comment.....
Feldspar is the general name for a group of sodium and potassium aluminosilicates.😊
Even better to have apposed magnet motors creating free electricity and bypass all the battery problems😂
Sounds nice 😊
I'm on board 👍
ha, free electricity comes from plugging into your neighbors garage
@@icosthop9998 Did you flunk physics?
@@cbrew8775 yep L🤣L
Who are Nissan and Toyota Sam ?
This is the first time that I've ever heard of a potassium silicate battery but it makes sense to considering silicon has been added two batteries to increase their energy density and potassium is placed on the periodic table
but your video clip of battery manufacturing clearly said "Lithium Ion" on the box. i hope you realize how ridiculous "feldspar battery" sounds.
did you hear they will have fusion energy in just 5 years
Not sure if you understand how supply chains and decades long warranties work Viking.
Lithium isn’t going anywhere
I don't see Li hanging onto the grid storage market which is huge. Ck out Form Energy.
Fess up, Vike, who sponsors you, China or the WEF?
Come, mister tally man, tally me banana
Expert
Potato-ion solid state batteries when??
Are you having keyboard issues.?
Were you attempting to type.....
Potato+onion salad state?
L😂L via @Frederick
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🤣🤣🤣 via Robert F.
Good to see some true creativity under this video 👍 😅
You'll be glad to know they already exist ... Zinc-Air batteries can use vegatable derived gel's for their electrolytes. Plus Glasgow's James Watt School of Engineering design a vegatable starch (sugar) battery a number of years back.
Find two cheap minerals and then you can call the investors! Champagne and caviar soirées for a decade!
Umm I've heard they are patenting the new Bullshitium Sillyicate battery is about to be released its charged by hot air and weird theory....
L😂L *"**#BullShitium**"*
Don't blink. We are gonna have Quantum batteries by *"Tomorrow"* .
Mass produced & everything ⚡️💡⚡️
(Finally) ⏳️
Lithium ion batteries? They are not solid state batteries.
Breaking news.. A new battery made from poopoo peepee.. You fill it up at home or on the go..
Like #1000 💥👍
Heavy
Batteries are a lot like computers: Don't buy one today because tomorrow the next generation will hit the marked, and the one you bought today will be useless. Tomorrow will be the same. I went three years in the early 1990s not buying a computer because of that. Eventually, I gave up and bought a computer, the best I could find. Next day Gateway introduced a new one, double the speed, three times the storage, etc., and only ten% higher price. Bummer.
That's why I buy 5 year old PCs (or get them free), and put Linux on them. Now I'm shopping for a used EV.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Smart move.
wr, nay say any nmw s perfx, doesn tmatr
Yet another "latest and greatest battery" that will disappear into the ether in a week only to be replaced by the next "latest and greatest battery" which will also disappear into the ether. And so on …
Breaking news a new battery made from bullsheet.. Blah blah blah
Yep
Talking about new battery technology over and over. Again, and *"AGAiN"* is getting *_"Pretty DAMN Old"_* when none of them come to furission(sp) ! 🤦🏼❕️
~○~
Game changer game changer. . . .
Breakthrough . .. .z zzzzzzz
Why do you believe every battery hype ever?
fkn baking powder battery.. whats next!
Another video, another 5 IQ points lost.
So long folks.
can you imaging the dollar amount of R$D has been spent (finally) in the correct direction even with all the naa Sayers .
Revolving door of all of this crap. Pushing out the BS huh sam? Maybe you should take a break from RUclips and spend some solid time with your family instead.