I have a Yeti enduro/trail bike set up tubeless and I've never had a flat with it, although I've pulled a few of these mesquite thorns out . It is a good idea to check or add a tad of sealant every once in a while though. Thanks for stopping by Tim.
The best place to lose weight on a bike is ROTATING weight as it takes human power to get it going. But don't kid yourself about the weight savings. You still need to carry a tube in case the sealant doesn't seal the leak. So don't forget to add that weight back to your total package.@@BluecollarBackcountry
That is good information. I wouldn't mind to go tubeless on my K2. To me there is nothing more aggravating than a flat when you are miles from your vehicle or camp. Thanks for sharing the process Tony!
Thanks Chris. My Yeti mountain bike is already tubeless and I've never had a problem with it but this fat bike is my favorite and the big tires are like a hay rake just gathering up all the thorns. Hahaha I even have a miniature plug kit for the larger holes that I hope I don't have to use. And when you're out on a trail and get a flat those tires take a while to air up with a little bike pump. I hope they hold up as well as my other bike.
I used the green Slime in my last mountain bike and it did help a lot with the less major punctures I ran into around here (mostly cacti). The weight saving experiment was fascinating if just for the process.
I had a 29" Giant Talon (cross country style mountain bike) in 2011 or 2012. Before I went tubeless with it I had SLIME brand inner tubes with the sealant already in them. As a matter of fact i still have one in the box.
I like this video, especially that you didn't try to pretend to know everything. I'm a huge fan of tubeless on fatbikes, mostly not because of the weight savings, but because of the improved handling. I nearly never ride my fatbike on smooth dirt, but on snow and sand, and with the tires at very low pressures (20psi to seat the bead, sub 5 psi for riding). At these lower pressures, tubes will adopt a round profile while the tire is more oval (like a D with an o in the center) there is then a higher pressure zone in the middle of the tire and lower pressure sides. So, for these conditions, tubeless means 3x more riding and way less pushing. I can also recommend putting a barrier between the gorilla tape and the sealant, gorilla tape seems to react with the sealant and make it last way shorter. I skip the gorilla tape entirely and use Tuck tape (vapour barrier tape for house wrap).
Thanks Doug. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Where I ride this system has been great. One ride alone I pulled out 16 thorns and lost about an ounce or more of sealant. (Pic on Instagram) When I do have to make a change I'll try the Tuck tape. Thanks for the tip.
yeah, I'd love to get up there and ride in the snow. In Canada there are many trails that are groomed and maintained for fat bike riding. Not much chance of that in Texas, but it sure is fun. Thanks Doug ATB, Tony
Great video. I set up my Motobecane Sturgis fattie tubeless, but only put in 2-3 oz of Stans sealant in each tire. It is working great and I saved about 2lbs. You've got a lot of extra liquid rolling around inside each tire., but maybe you need it with all those thorns in your area. Have fun riding!
Thanks for watching and commenting rogust. I have a Yeti with 2.3 front and 2.25 rear and I put 2 to 3 oz in it, but not this bike. Every video I've seen people went for 8 ounces and a couple did the 10 in the rear. It makes sense with all the Mesquite thorns, rock and everything else we have in Texas. Best of luck and keep the shiney side up 👍
I would say no, $55 is not worth saving only 10oz. but if it helps you to stay riding instead of fixing tubes often, then yes it would be worth it. We had one of those trees in our front yard and my uncle was up one year (when I was a kid, so long time ago) and we were playing football and he brushed against it tore his face up, so I know how tough them spikes are, can't hardly break them.
Ouch ! That would be rough to get them in the face. When I was young I raced cross country motorcycles and crashed into one. I had two thorns stuck into two of my knuckles on my right hand. They pulled them out with pliers in the pit area and for about 10 years I could always tell when it was going to rain well in advance because they would start to ache. In the week since I went tubeless on this bike I have pulled out two more of those darn things, so yeah I think It was worth it.
Ok... get ready for a stupid question. Please believe me when I say I'm not challenging or questioning the process, but why not just squirt that sealant stuff into the tube? Man, I'd hate to step on one of those prehistoric thorns!!!! Wonder why someone hasn't made "airless" tires... some kind of semi-hard foam???
Some riders have squirted sealant into the tunes but I don't know how well it works. SLIME makes a tube with sealant already inside but they don't seem to seal as well if at all, but mountain bikers have it instilled in their mind that they are saving weight without the tube. Like I told Saline Scott, it's like hikers saving "ounces" but you also can run lower air pressure for better traction without getting pinch flats. As far as an airless tire......tire pressures are changed often depending on the surface being ridden on for the best traction possible. It's down to a science. Lol
Bluecollar Backcountry -👍🏻 sounds reasonable.... thanks for the explanation! I was looking at an "Adventure" bike. All kinds of places to attach stuff like bottles and pouches and panier bags... no suspension and kinda skinny tires though.... probably will just keep the ol' Huffy Bushcraft bike for now 😉
Bit late to the video but I haven't seen a single mention about rolling resistance so here are my 2 cents... Going tubeless will help you go faster at the same effort or keep the same speed but at a lower effort because removing the tube will easily save between 10-15 watts from the rear wheel alone. To put it into "Feel" terms, that's the difference between going at a pace you can barely keep for 5mins to a pace you can hold for about an hour, huge difference. Weight is the last of the reasons one should go tubeless. Reduced chances of punctures and lower rolling resistance are the main reasons.
...…..and that is exactly the reason I got rig of my bike, which drove me nutso lol. Cool shirt by the way, I always loved tie-dye T shirts, cheers Alan.
I'm kind of nutso to begin with Alan. Hahaha So while it's a pain, I enjoy it enough to put up with it. I remember as a teenager trying to make my own tie-dye shirts using my mom's stove and pots when she was away for the day. 😆
Hey Jens. I figure I'll catch some crap about the amount of sealant I put in but I watched a lot of videos before settling on this amount. AND we are blessed with lots of Mesquite trees in Texas. Hahahaha I can't remember, is your new bike tubeless?
I just dont know...its all Greek to me. Airless tires would be a great money maker!!! Excellent video!! Oh mercy...patching and repairing I would be pulling my hair OUT! those thorns! I used to have a mare who always fancied running me into a patch of HUGE chap piercing thorn thickets! 😖😯😖
very good. I haven't ridden a bike in about two summers now. My last one broke on me and have never gotten it fixed or replaced. I have always rode 10 speeds and just have never liked the mountain bike . it is near impossible to find an old 10 speed bike that isn't crazy stupid in cost any more. I may have to give the mountain bike style a go.
Tony, you and Carolina Chris have me wanting a bike! LOL - And your banner in the back reminded me I still have to send you a sticker brother. Sorry! Been working like a dog.
Hey I understand about being busy. As a matter of fact next month is going to be really tough getting out a video. I have been enjoying the bike. Time has been really tight and I can squeeze in a little more using it. Thanks Mike and good to hear from you.
Tony,i was looking at your video and i was stunned a couple of times,i saw the very rarely riding people a fat bike with those wheels around here,i can count them on one hand the last 5 years. Tubeless is totally different around here,or it is because i' have no clue,but tubeles here means a thicker type of innertube or a tire (mostly) that you have to glue on the rim,its like a hose with no end or beginning just a little valve for a minimum of air then,when you took of the tire,it looks so flimsy,really thin 2:24 mark,it looks like a thick balloon.lol a tubeless tire here on a wheelborrow is a foam shaped wheel,totally puncture proof. the liquid you poored in,never saw such a thing,i don't even know what it is,never heared from it. and you use the metric system?i always convert the inches and the feet you guy's always telling about,but you use also the milimeters thanks for showing,i saw some cool and new stuff
Hello Steve. The fat bikes are more popular in the northern states and Canada. They were developed so mountain bikers can ride all year long in the snow. They have become more popular as people find out how good they handle mud and sand and they are just fun to ride. In the southern parts of the U.S. they are not as popular and plentiful. I love mine and I always like things a little different than what everyone else is doing. Tubeless mountain bike and fat bike tires are pretty universal in how it's done and most do it because you can run lower tire pressures with less chance of flats due to pinching the tubes. Lower tire pressure means more tread on the trail. Plus the liquid sealant stops most punctures quickly. We are confusing about measurements huh ? LOL Mountain bike tire and wheel diameter are measured in inches but everything else is measured in millimeters. Road bike wheels are measured in metric. Some of us are catching on. Haha Here is the link to a mountain bike ride in Belgium that you may be interested in. Although these are not fat tire bikes, I bet a few of these people are using the tubeless method. ruclips.net/video/qTzTZnZHQqc/видео.html Thanks for your comment buddy.
Awesome comparison! I'm going to throw in another curveball... If tubes work in your riding area, running a lighter 26x2.8(ish) tube also works on a fat tire/rim. This can save ~1/2 lb per wheel vs a standard fat tube (26x4 which weighs ~1lb). But like you said, if you have any kind of thorns or sharp objects, or value rolling resistance, tubeless wins!
That should work out for ya in the long run. It’d kind of grow old fast, having to break them tires down to patch tubes, especially with the amount of thorns along the trails. Here’s to more fat biking and less mesquite thorns!! 😉✌️
Ok 2yrs ago...i learned something new. I thought he said mosquito..'s flyin' 'round here...but it must have been "mesquite thorns 'round here". I have never heard that term before. (sw lower Michigan). I only knew about goat head thorns. (I got one in Florida)
Very true about the tire pressure. Biggest advantage for me is the darn Mesquite thorns. I had 16 in one day. That explains so much sealant. Thanks for watching and commenting. ATB, Tony
@@BluecollarBackcountry You're right. The weight savings don't amount to much, but it is SO much easier on the trail with the sealant. I carry plugs and a hand pump too.
Great video!! I don't think you need 10oz of sealant in each tire. I get by with 4 in my 26 x 4.5" tires. You may be able to drop a little more weight by not using so much sealant.
Hi Jeremy. I think the amount of sealant is relative to your peticular trail conditions and how much you want to keep messing with your sealant level. I don't know if you are on Instagram but just after I did this video I showed 16 thorns I picked up in one day. Do you have Mesquite trees where you live? I've had Mesquite thorns that are huge, and you can see sealant sprayed all over my bike on my Instagram feed. I have lost ounces at a time but I've had no flats. So for me it's not so much about the weight. Thanks for watching and commenting. Atb, Tony
@@BluecollarBackcountry I ordered my conversion goodies last night after I watched the video. Fun stuff! Running in Canada, we are riding on snow and ice right now.
@@robnusca4072 Oh yeah, you will love going tubeless. On the snow and ice you can really let the tire pressure way down and get a little bigger footprint. Have fun!
No quickstart/ether to seat the rim? I remember patching 20 wheelbarrrow tires a day for one job.. I have seen tires cut down and used as liners for Ice racing. Let us know how it works for thorns. Thank you for the video, Tony
I've always heard of using either but I've never tried it. I doubt it will work on these because the sidewalls are so thin to save weight you really have to be careful just using a regular air compressor to keep the bead where it needs to be. Thanks Sean
@@BluecollarBackcountry Ether is a really bad thing to use. It will explode a truck tire so a bike tire would be nothing. I can remember the old balloon tire bikes. They were tough. Thank you for the reply, Tony
I just converted my Beargrease tubeless, for this reason. Figuring the wider tire would be almost searching for puncture. Weight loss, lower psi=more traction, less punctures. Great upgrade
Hi Kirk. I recently finished a 352 Mike bikepacking trip. I had no tire issues at all so that makes the conversation more than worth it. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
@@BluecollarBackcountry That's a LOT of Mike's on bikes! ;) I used less sealant than you and saved about 5/8 lb. per wheel when I went tubicidal. Since marketing puts such a premium on weight, even the 5 oz. per wheel loss that you experienced might ought to be considered in that light. In a shamefully brief attempt at research I've determined that I'm not quite sure it would cost at least $40 per wheel to lose that kind of table muscle. Thank you for your continued support. ruclips.net/video/WytC7QcIF9M/видео.html
@@jdavis417 That darn predictive text hahaha. If I forget to proofread my comments from this tablet there's no telling what comes out ! I settled on 6oz per tire and it works well for me. Where I ride I'm plagued with Mesquite thorns and extra huge vine type thorns. On my Instagram page I showed having 16 punctures from one day of riding. A little extra juice comes in handy when you squirt half out in a day. That's not typical but it happens in my part of Texas. My main reason for converting was for punctures but there's so much hype about the weight loss. One guy told me he lost 2 lb. My tubes were 16oz each, then you add valve stems, rim sealer (tape), sealant......Well you get it ! Anyway I guess it's got a lot to do with where we ride. Thanks for watching and commenting. ATB, Tony By the way.....loved the B&J stuff 😀
I just got a regular mountain bike but i’m procrastinating to fix my wifes bike from our trip.. i might just got tubeless after all if its easier to fix a flat..
It has it's pros and cons Eli. If you do have a flat while riding and break the seal around the rim then you do have to put a tube in to get you back. A hand or floor pump just won't get the initial rush of air needed to seat the tire to the rim. BUT it will help avoid flats like the ones your wife got at Caprock Canyon. The Stan's sealant will seal most holes quickly and they actually make a mini plug kit for them. You just have to catch it before it goes completely flat.
I guess bike riders can be ounce counters just like hikers, but you would think the savings would be a little more substantial. Thanks scott and have a great weekend.
Too bad you couldn't research all the options. Revo Fat tubes are 45 grams. Put tire sealant in these tubes and it's lighter than tubeless. Would love to know it going tubeless helped with your flat problem?
Yeah the weight savings aren't always what people claim but the advantages of going tubeless is great. I picked up 16 thorns in one day and had no flats. That would have been a lot of patching. Lol Thanks Rudi ✌
That's a good point John. I didn't include the weight of carrying a spare. I guess I think of that as extras like my seat bag and tools I carry. I hear people make large claims of the weight they save and this just kind of busts that theory of 2 lbs. or more. My fatbike tubes weigh 16 oz. each. (2lb.) By the time I added rim tape, valves, and sealant it's impossible to save 2 lb. Durability is the main benefit of a tubeless setup and I love the results. Thanks for watching and commenting. Atb, Tony
That's interesting Tony , I've been looking into buying me a Mountain Bike this Spring for riding on the bike / walking trails around our area for a little exercise when I'm not hiking . Now you have me wondering about a fat bike . Any thoughts on that ? I will probable not being going off the path much , mainly just on paved trails .
I also have a full suspension mountain bike with regular size MTB tires but I hardly ever ride it anymore. I just love riding the fat bike. It's like me.....fat and slow. Hahaha I don't have aspirations of finishing first, traveling the farthest, or impressing anyone. I just like to ride at my pace and enjoy myself. For me the fat bike is perfect for that, and it's quite a conversation starter in Texas also. I will stop riding long enough to tell people about it who are interested. LOL If you do become interested in one, I bought mine through Bikes Direct.com. They come 75% assembled and with a little work are easy to finish putting together. You can go as big or small as you like with their selections and brands.
It holds up for months Nathan. I have another mountain bike that is tubeless and once in a while it's good to add a bit to allow for the sealant becoming gummy or loss due to punctures. Thanks for stopping by 👍
I live in Minnesota I just set my maxxis minions up on my fat bike tubless! How's yours going with those crazy thorns have they helped with punchers are you really able to keep on rolling and not worry
Hi Ty. My comment notifications have been turned off for some reason and comments can be hard to find. Anyway, yeah this has been the greatest thing I have done on my fatty. We have so many thorns of different types it's ridiculous and this has been a lifesaver. My worst day was 16 thorns in the rear alone and I had no problems. I had a pic of it on my Instagram page. "AND" I'm still running those tires. Thanks for watching. Atb, Tony
I have to claim complete ignorance on this. What did you do that makes the tires puncture proof now? I understand you made them tubeless. But aren't they the same tires still? The same tires the thorns were puncturing through before? Like I said, I'm completely ignorant on this stuff.
Sealant inside of tubes doesn't seem to work well, so with this system the tube is removed, the rim is sealed. A puncture in a tube means pulling the tube out and repairing or replacing. A puncture in the "tubeless" tires is sealed with the sealant inside. A great example is a while back I rode a new trail being cut through some pretty rough woods. At the end of that trail I pulled out 16 to 18 thorns from my tires and the holes were immediately sealed. If I'd had tubes I would have had to repair the tubes out on the trail.........many times. Lol It seems many people exaggerate their weight savings so it's not so much about that as it is convenience.
Nicely done. I have a gravel bike and going tubeless is the best thing I’ve done on it. Three times in the past year it’s patched itself. I’m a fan.
I have a Yeti enduro/trail bike set up tubeless and I've never had a flat with it, although I've pulled a few of these mesquite thorns out . It is a good idea to check or add a tad of sealant every once in a while though. Thanks for stopping by Tim.
The best place to lose weight on a bike is ROTATING weight as it takes human power to get it going. But don't kid yourself about the weight savings. You still need to carry a tube in case the sealant doesn't seal the leak. So don't forget to add that weight back to your total package.@@BluecollarBackcountry
That is good information. I wouldn't mind to go tubeless on my K2. To me there is nothing more aggravating than a flat when you are miles from your vehicle or camp. Thanks for sharing the process Tony!
Thanks Chris. My Yeti mountain bike is already tubeless and I've never had a problem with it but this fat bike is my favorite and the big tires are like a hay rake just gathering up all the thorns. Hahaha I even have a miniature plug kit for the larger holes that I hope I don't have to use. And when you're out on a trail and get a flat those tires take a while to air up with a little bike pump. I hope they hold up as well as my other bike.
I used the green Slime in my last mountain bike and it did help a lot with the less major punctures I ran into around here (mostly cacti). The weight saving experiment was fascinating if just for the process.
I had a 29" Giant Talon (cross country style mountain bike) in 2011 or 2012. Before I went tubeless with it I had SLIME brand inner tubes with the sealant already in them. As a matter of fact i still have one in the box.
I like this video, especially that you didn't try to pretend to know everything.
I'm a huge fan of tubeless on fatbikes, mostly not because of the weight savings, but because of the improved handling. I nearly never ride my fatbike on smooth dirt, but on snow and sand, and with the tires at very low pressures (20psi to seat the bead, sub 5 psi for riding). At these lower pressures, tubes will adopt a round profile while the tire is more oval (like a D with an o in the center) there is then a higher pressure zone in the middle of the tire and lower pressure sides. So, for these conditions, tubeless means 3x more riding and way less pushing.
I can also recommend putting a barrier between the gorilla tape and the sealant, gorilla tape seems to react with the sealant and make it last way shorter. I skip the gorilla tape entirely and use Tuck tape (vapour barrier tape for house wrap).
Thanks Doug. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Where I ride this system has been great. One ride alone I pulled out 16 thorns and lost about an ounce or more of sealant. (Pic on Instagram) When I do have to make a change I'll try the Tuck tape. Thanks for the tip.
These look like a lot of fun! Very popular up here in Northern Ontario. Thanks brother!
yeah, I'd love to get up there and ride in the snow. In Canada there are many trails that are groomed and maintained for fat bike riding. Not much chance of that in Texas, but it sure is fun. Thanks Doug
ATB, Tony
Great video. I set up my Motobecane Sturgis fattie tubeless, but only put in 2-3 oz of Stans sealant in each tire. It is working great and I saved about 2lbs. You've got a lot of extra liquid rolling around inside each tire., but maybe you need it with all those thorns in your area. Have fun riding!
Thanks for watching and commenting rogust. I have a Yeti with 2.3 front and 2.25 rear and I put 2 to 3 oz in it, but not this bike. Every video I've seen people went for 8 ounces and a couple did the 10 in the rear. It makes sense with all the Mesquite thorns, rock and everything else we have in Texas. Best of luck and keep the shiney side up 👍
I would say no, $55 is not worth saving only 10oz. but if it helps you to stay riding instead of fixing tubes often, then yes it would be worth it. We had one of those trees in our front yard and my uncle was up one year (when I was a kid, so long time ago) and we were playing football and he brushed against it tore his face up, so I know how tough them spikes are, can't hardly break them.
Ouch ! That would be rough to get them in the face. When I was young I raced cross country motorcycles and crashed into one. I had two thorns stuck into two of my knuckles on my right hand. They pulled them out with pliers in the pit area and for about 10 years I could always tell when it was going to rain well in advance because they would start to ache. In the week since I went tubeless on this bike I have pulled out two more of those darn things, so yeah I think It was worth it.
"Best thing for the inside is the outside" that's a pretty slick line ;) Great video!
Thank you Andri, I appreciate it.
Ok... get ready for a stupid question. Please believe me when I say I'm not challenging or questioning the process, but why not just squirt that sealant stuff into the tube? Man, I'd hate to step on one of those prehistoric thorns!!!! Wonder why someone hasn't made "airless" tires... some kind of semi-hard foam???
Some riders have squirted sealant into the tunes but I don't know how well it works. SLIME makes a tube with sealant already inside but they don't seem to seal as well if at all, but mountain bikers have it instilled in their mind that they are saving weight without the tube. Like I told Saline Scott, it's like hikers saving "ounces" but you also can run lower air pressure for better traction without getting pinch flats. As far as an airless tire......tire pressures are changed often depending on the surface being ridden on for the best traction possible. It's down to a science. Lol
Bluecollar Backcountry -👍🏻 sounds reasonable.... thanks for the explanation! I was looking at an "Adventure" bike. All kinds of places to attach stuff like bottles and pouches and panier bags... no suspension and kinda skinny tires though.... probably will just keep the ol' Huffy Bushcraft bike for now 😉
@@CarolinaChrisOutdoors if you ever did decide to check into it, I got mine online at Bikes Direct.com Big savings depending on what you want.
now get ready for my even more stupid remark,i never saw this before
Oh man you are such fun, this video is so enjoyable to hear, i'm from Italy and i like the accent. Big respect, and great job on the big jumbos!!
Thank you Dorian. I appreciate the kind words and I appreciate you watching and commenting. Atb, Tony
Bit late to the video but I haven't seen a single mention about rolling resistance so here are my 2 cents...
Going tubeless will help you go faster at the same effort or keep the same speed but at a lower effort because removing the tube will easily save between 10-15 watts from the rear wheel alone. To put it into "Feel" terms, that's the difference between going at a pace you can barely keep for 5mins to a pace you can hold for about an hour, huge difference.
Weight is the last of the reasons one should go tubeless. Reduced chances of punctures and lower rolling resistance are the main reasons.
...…..and that is exactly the reason I got rig of my bike, which drove me nutso lol. Cool shirt by the way, I always loved tie-dye T shirts, cheers Alan.
I'm kind of nutso to begin with Alan. Hahaha So while it's a pain, I enjoy it enough to put up with it. I remember as a teenager trying to make my own tie-dye shirts using my mom's stove and pots when she was away for the day. 😆
@@BluecollarBackcountry- Ha ha, did exactly the same here brother lol!!
Great job on the How-To video BB! Thank You :-)
Hey Jens. I figure I'll catch some crap about the amount of sealant I put in but I watched a lot of videos before settling on this amount. AND we are blessed with lots of Mesquite trees in Texas. Hahahaha I can't remember, is your new bike tubeless?
@@BluecollarBackcountry Yes, it is setup tubeless. So far no flats do to any punctures!!
I just dont know...its all Greek to me. Airless tires would be a great money maker!!!
Excellent video!!
Oh mercy...patching and repairing
I would be pulling my hair OUT!
those thorns! I used to have a mare who always fancied running me into a patch of HUGE chap piercing thorn thickets!
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Rofl....saving 10oz tip at the end hahahahahaa!! Sounds like good advice 😃🤣😁
@@NativeTearz I'm full of it, so I'm qualified to give that advice. Hahaha Thanks Dee
very good. I haven't ridden a bike in about two summers now. My last one broke on me and have never gotten it fixed or replaced. I have always rode 10 speeds and just have never liked the mountain bike . it is near impossible to find an old 10 speed bike that isn't crazy stupid in cost any more. I may have to give the mountain bike style a go.
It's all gotten crazy stupid now Richard. Mountain bikes are no exception with prices in the thousands.
Nice looking bike for sure. Looks like a ton of fun beach and gravel bike. 10 Oz is not bad for a start.
It's a lot of fun for sure Justin. I have a full suspension mountain bike I hardly ride because of this one. Thanks for stopping by.
Tony, you and Carolina Chris have me wanting a bike! LOL - And your banner in the back reminded me I still have to send you a sticker brother. Sorry! Been working like a dog.
Hey I understand about being busy. As a matter of fact next month is going to be really tough getting out a video. I have been enjoying the bike. Time has been really tight and I can squeeze in a little more using it. Thanks Mike and good to hear from you.
Tony,i was looking at your video and i was stunned a couple of times,i saw the very rarely riding people a fat bike with those wheels around here,i can count them on one hand the last 5 years.
Tubeless is totally different around here,or it is because i' have no clue,but tubeles here means a thicker type of innertube or a tire (mostly) that you have to glue on the rim,its like a hose with no end or beginning just a little valve for a minimum of air
then,when you took of the tire,it looks so flimsy,really thin 2:24 mark,it looks like a thick balloon.lol
a tubeless tire here on a wheelborrow is a foam shaped wheel,totally puncture proof.
the liquid you poored in,never saw such a thing,i don't even know what it is,never heared from it.
and you use the metric system?i always convert the inches and the feet you guy's always telling about,but you use also the milimeters
thanks for showing,i saw some cool and new stuff
Hello Steve. The fat bikes are more popular in the northern states and Canada. They were developed so mountain bikers can ride all year long in the snow. They have become more popular as people find out how good they handle mud and sand and they are just fun to ride. In the southern parts of the U.S. they are not as popular and plentiful. I love mine and I always like things a little different than what everyone else is doing. Tubeless mountain bike and fat bike tires are pretty universal in how it's done and most do it because you can run lower tire pressures with less chance of flats due to pinching the tubes. Lower tire pressure means more tread on the trail. Plus the liquid sealant stops most punctures quickly. We are confusing about measurements huh ? LOL Mountain bike tire and wheel diameter are measured in inches but everything else is measured in millimeters. Road bike wheels are measured in metric. Some of us are catching on. Haha Here is the link to a mountain bike ride in Belgium that you may be interested in. Although these are not fat tire bikes, I bet a few of these people are using the tubeless method. ruclips.net/video/qTzTZnZHQqc/видео.html
Thanks for your comment buddy.
Awesome comparison! I'm going to throw in another curveball... If tubes work in your riding area, running a lighter 26x2.8(ish) tube also works on a fat tire/rim. This can save ~1/2 lb per wheel vs a standard fat tube (26x4 which weighs ~1lb). But like you said, if you have any kind of thorns or sharp objects, or value rolling resistance, tubeless wins!
Our area is pretty bad for thorns and stickers but this is a great idea for a spare tube or someone living in another area. Thanks and atb, Tony
That should work out for ya in the long run. It’d kind of grow old fast, having to break them tires down to patch tubes, especially with the amount of thorns along the trails.
Here’s to more fat biking and less mesquite thorns!! 😉✌️
Haha, I'll go for that. 👍 it's no fun airing one of those up with a hand pump on the trail.
Ok 2yrs ago...i learned something new. I thought he said mosquito..'s flyin' 'round here...but it must have been "mesquite thorns 'round here". I have never heard that term before. (sw lower Michigan). I only knew about goat head thorns. (I got one in Florida)
On of the biggest advantages of going tubeless is at low psi's the rolling distance is much much lower. Its night and day.
Very true about the tire pressure. Biggest advantage for me is the darn Mesquite thorns. I had 16 in one day. That explains so much sealant. Thanks for watching and commenting. ATB, Tony
@@BluecollarBackcountry You're right. The weight savings don't amount to much, but it is SO much easier on the trail with the sealant. I carry plugs and a hand pump too.
Great video!! I don't think you need 10oz of sealant in each tire. I get by with 4 in my 26 x 4.5" tires. You may be able to drop a little more weight by not using so much sealant.
Hi Jeremy. I think the amount of sealant is relative to your peticular trail conditions and how much you want to keep messing with your sealant level. I don't know if you are on Instagram but just after I did this video I showed 16 thorns I picked up in one day. Do you have Mesquite trees where you live? I've had Mesquite thorns that are huge, and you can see sealant sprayed all over my bike on my Instagram feed. I have lost ounces at a time but I've had no flats. So for me it's not so much about the weight. Thanks for watching and commenting. Atb, Tony
@@BluecollarBackcountry super valid point... no I didn't see 16 thorns!?!? I'd be filling up on sealant in those conditions too!
Great, entertaining video. I'm going to convert my bike soon. Thanks for posting!
Thank you Rob. The difference in how many flats I get is amazing. Good luck with your conversion. Atb, Tony
@@BluecollarBackcountry I ordered my conversion goodies last night after I watched the video. Fun stuff!
Running in Canada, we are riding on snow and ice right now.
@@robnusca4072 Oh yeah, you will love going tubeless. On the snow and ice you can really let the tire pressure way down and get a little bigger footprint. Have fun!
No quickstart/ether to seat the rim? I remember patching 20 wheelbarrrow tires a day for one job.. I have seen tires cut down and used as liners for Ice racing. Let us know how it works for thorns. Thank you for the video, Tony
I've always heard of using either but I've never tried it. I doubt it will work on these because the sidewalls are so thin to save weight you really have to be careful just using a regular air compressor to keep the bead where it needs to be. Thanks Sean
@@BluecollarBackcountry Ether is a really bad thing to use. It will explode a truck tire so a bike tire would be nothing. I can remember the old balloon tire bikes. They were tough. Thank you for the reply, Tony
I just converted my Beargrease tubeless, for this reason. Figuring the wider tire would be almost searching for puncture. Weight loss, lower psi=more traction, less punctures. Great upgrade
Hi Kirk. I recently finished a 352 Mike bikepacking trip. I had no tire issues at all so that makes the conversation more than worth it. Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
@@BluecollarBackcountry That's a LOT of Mike's on bikes! ;)
I used less sealant than you and saved about 5/8 lb. per wheel when I went tubicidal. Since marketing puts such a premium on weight, even the 5 oz. per wheel loss that you experienced might ought to be considered in that light. In a shamefully brief attempt at research I've determined that I'm not quite sure it would cost at least $40 per wheel to lose that kind of table muscle. Thank you for your continued support. ruclips.net/video/WytC7QcIF9M/видео.html
@@jdavis417 That darn predictive text hahaha. If I forget to proofread my comments from this tablet there's no telling what comes out !
I settled on 6oz per tire and it works well for me. Where I ride I'm plagued with Mesquite thorns and extra huge vine type thorns. On my Instagram page I showed having 16 punctures from one day of riding. A little extra juice comes in handy when you squirt half out in a day. That's not typical but it happens in my part of Texas. My main reason for converting was for punctures but there's so much hype about the weight loss. One guy told me he lost 2 lb. My tubes were 16oz each, then you add valve stems, rim sealer (tape), sealant......Well you get it ! Anyway I guess it's got a lot to do with where we ride. Thanks for watching and commenting. ATB, Tony
By the way.....loved the B&J stuff 😀
I just got a regular mountain bike but i’m procrastinating to fix my wifes bike from our trip.. i might just got tubeless after all if its easier to fix a flat..
It has it's pros and cons Eli. If you do have a flat while riding and break the seal around the rim then you do have to put a tube in to get you back. A hand or floor pump just won't get the initial rush of air needed to seat the tire to the rim. BUT it will help avoid flats like the ones your wife got at Caprock Canyon. The Stan's sealant will seal most holes quickly and they actually make a mini plug kit for them. You just have to catch it before it goes completely flat.
Bluecollar Backcountry Good to know 👍 i’ll try that out
10 oz. isn’t a whole lot, is it? My bike is probably more concerned with me losing weight before getting in it. lol.
I guess bike riders can be ounce counters just like hikers, but you would think the savings would be a little more substantial. Thanks scott and have a great weekend.
Too bad you couldn't research all the options. Revo Fat tubes are 45 grams. Put tire sealant in these tubes and it's lighter than tubeless. Would love to know it going tubeless helped with your flat problem?
Great video. Excellent info.
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment
Don't know about saving weight but tubless is great in thorn country.
Yeah the weight savings aren't always what people claim but the advantages of going tubeless is great. I picked up 16 thorns in one day and had no flats. That would have been a lot of patching. Lol Thanks Rudi ✌
Did you subtract the weight of carrying a spare tube. Great video!
That's a good point John. I didn't include the weight of carrying a spare. I guess I think of that as extras like my seat bag and tools I carry. I hear people make large claims of the weight they save and this just kind of busts that theory of 2 lbs. or more. My fatbike tubes weigh 16 oz. each. (2lb.) By the time I added rim tape, valves, and sealant it's impossible to save 2 lb. Durability is the main benefit of a tubeless setup and I love the results. Thanks for watching and commenting. Atb, Tony
That's interesting Tony , I've been looking into buying me a Mountain Bike this Spring for riding on the bike / walking trails around our area for a little exercise when I'm not hiking . Now you have me wondering about a fat bike . Any thoughts on that ? I will probable not being going off the path much , mainly just on paved trails .
I also have a full suspension mountain bike with regular size MTB tires but I hardly ever ride it anymore. I just love riding the fat bike. It's like me.....fat and slow. Hahaha I don't have aspirations of finishing first, traveling the farthest, or impressing anyone. I just like to ride at my pace and enjoy myself. For me the fat bike is perfect for that, and it's quite a conversation starter in Texas also. I will stop riding long enough to tell people about it who are interested. LOL If you do become interested in one, I bought mine through Bikes Direct.com. They come 75% assembled and with a little work are easy to finish putting together. You can go as big or small as you like with their selections and brands.
Thanks Tony , I’ll be thinking
thankyou for this!
Interesting process. I wonder it the tire sealant will hold up.
It holds up for months Nathan. I have another mountain bike that is tubeless and once in a while it's good to add a bit to allow for the sealant becoming gummy or loss due to punctures. Thanks for stopping by 👍
I live in Minnesota I just set my maxxis minions up on my fat bike tubless! How's yours going with those crazy thorns have they helped with punchers are you really able to keep on rolling and not worry
Hi Ty. My comment notifications have been turned off for some reason and comments can be hard to find. Anyway, yeah this has been the greatest thing I have done on my fatty. We have so many thorns of different types it's ridiculous and this has been a lifesaver. My worst day was 16 thorns in the rear alone and I had no problems. I had a pic of it on my Instagram page. "AND" I'm still running those tires. Thanks for watching. Atb, Tony
Tony, you can REALLY save weight be riding that dang mountain bike instead! Ha!
Haha, I know, but with the aluminum frame it weighs 30lbs. I can't afford the hotrod carbon fiber like you have 😆
You have to find the used stuff like me!!@@BluecollarBackcountry
I have to claim complete ignorance on this. What did you do that makes the tires puncture proof now? I understand you made them tubeless. But aren't they the same tires still? The same tires the thorns were puncturing through before? Like I said, I'm completely ignorant on this stuff.
Sealant inside of tubes doesn't seem to work well, so with this system the tube is removed, the rim is sealed. A puncture in a tube means pulling the tube out and repairing or replacing. A puncture in the "tubeless" tires is sealed with the sealant inside. A great example is a while back I rode a new trail being cut through some pretty rough woods. At the end of that trail I pulled out 16 to 18 thorns from my tires and the holes were immediately sealed. If I'd had tubes I would have had to repair the tubes out on the trail.........many times. Lol It seems many people exaggerate their weight savings so it's not so much about that as it is convenience.