71. Memory Palaces | THUNK
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- "Sherlock" features a real mnemonic technique called a memory palace. But you don't need to be Holmes to use it!
Links for the Curious
"Long-Term Working Memory," by Ericsson & Kintsch - users.ecs.soton...
A study of MRI results for people using memory palace techniques - www.ncbi.nlm.ni...
"The Art of Memory," a fantastic history of mnemonic techniques, & how they've been employed throughout history - www.amazon.com/...
A great article by the Smithsonian about Sherlock & the memory palace technique - www.smithsonian...
Also, quick note from /u/becutandvid on Reddit: if you make sure each room in your memory palace has exactly 5 hooks, you can achieve some indexing & error checking!
I am so glad i found this channel. Please don't stop making videos i know one day you'll have millions of subs.
The first time I have heard of the concept of Memory Palace was when I was watching Hannibal. We can learn a lot from a Psychiatrist who charges an arm and a leg and a liver :)
I'm on the autistic spectrum and my memory is great too.
I have detailed recollections from back when I was 2 years old.
This memory techniques sound like I've been doing them subconsciously all my life.
I am great at remembering stuff by a associating emotions and other non related things to it.
It also works the other way around. People suffering from PTST can recall their traumatic memories and try to associate less powerful emotions to them so they can easily process said memories and emotions next time they're triggered.
Fascinating.
Andree K Fantastic observations. It was an epiphany to me to realize that emotional content provides "weight" to memories, and I've been reeling thru my shopping lists in horror & shame ever since. ;)
I haven't heard of the PTSD effect, do you have any source I might read?
THUNK I read about it on reddit iirc, I'll try to find the post which has a link to the study but the way it works is that folks who suffer from ptst get a trigger, recall the traumatic event and then store this event with an even fiercer emotion attached to the memory thus creating a vicious circle of triggers and memories which just don't weaken after time passes on.
So the way to break this circle is triggering the event and then try to flip the first emotional response to something more pleasant. This time the motions is stored with a nicer emotion attached to it. Then again when the emotion triggers it's not as fierce. After a certain number of sessions the traumatic even is a bad memory but won't trigger crippling emotions to it.
At least this is how I understood it.
I'm still searching for it but no luck so far.
+Andree K It seems a lot of people with unusually with good memory intuitively use something similar to the method of loci, whether that be through synsthesia, emotions and other associations.
The PTSD effect sounds interesting and seems to make sense, but maybe the mere association of the events with any emotion at all is making it more difficult to forget the events.
Philosophy of the Mind... Transgenerational PTSD.
I've always associated things with places even if they weren't related, somewhat similarly to a memory palace now that i think about it really helped me out in school. Knowing what it is now maybe i can use it more proactively.
Thanks! Always interesting subjects and this one seems particularly helpful.
Keep up the good work!
I believe the novel Hannibal Rising opens by describing Hannibal Lector's memory palace, but it's been years since I read the book.
Interesting video. I always tell people that I have a very unpredictable memory (can sometimes be great at remembering random things, and other times totally forget seemingly important things) but I pretty much figured out that it worked in a way that it stores information that is emotionally charged. But then that can lead to awkwardness because when someone asks how could I not remember that, the reason is basically...it just wasn't important enough. Ouch.
Another thing that has always fascinated me is seeing the difference between how my brother's memory worked, as opposed to mine; he's always been able to remember details and sequences from movies in suprising detail. When he'll ask me if I remember this part from a movie we watched yesterday I would always be thinking...HOW did he remember that???? I always thought he was some kind of genius. But I think memory palaces might explain why he's so good at remembering sequences in general. I can't see it as being particularly useful (which is I guess why my memory sucks and is so unpredictable) but it is *certainly* interesting.
linking and ascosiation should be used with memory palace. So instead of having random items for each hook have a chronological story where each item is ascosiated with the next one. So you could think I open the door handle and I get YOLK all over my hand so I go to the sink to wash it but theres TOWEL. This is super powerful because not only are you linking things visually with memory palace but also linking things linguistically.
Liked your video! But, can you clean out a memory palace or pegs and reuse them time and again?
Yep! Pegs are reusable, you generally just need a single prompt to recall a set of items.
Thank you, Thunk! Could you clarify a little bit? I have high functioning autism and I'm unsure of what I'm supposed to do. Please refine what you were saying. Thank you again!!!! I appreciate you very much!!! :-)
The memory palace structure is shared across multiple lists. You use the same set of "pegs" every time (e.g. door handle, doormat, key rack, coatrack...) & use your first item on the list to index it.
For example, if the first item on your list is "eggs" (the egg on the front door handle), it's not going to be the list of your friend's birthdays, or the list of Starfleet ships commanded by Captain Kirk.
Also, if you simply don't practice retaining a list, it will naturally fade with time, so you can avoid confusing it with other, newer ones that might share similar elements.
1:57 should be: weird flex, but okay
Maybe these days; I think this was published before "weird flex" was an applicable meme.
As someone with a generally truly awful memory: thank you for another interesting video!
Is there any reason that you're using a physical place, such as a house, rather than a digital place? I mean, I imagine you can find hooks there just as well -- visual cues used in video games to guide the player seem quite similar to hooks from what I understand. They're both things that really stand out and are easily remembered, but I imagine the amount of hooks is much larger when using something digital. Though your shelf probably has plenty of hooks too :-).
namnatulco There are certainly a slew of variations to store/recall information, but memory palaces seem to depend a lot on special awareness. I'm sure that a virtual environment could perform the same function as a real one in some capacity, but it'd probably be a little harder to establish that feeling of walking around inside a space, as you can't *actually* move around in a virtual environment just yet.
But with an Oculus? Memory palaces for DAYS.
THUNK first thing I actually thought of trying was some iconic video game map, like the first level of doom or super Mario, but an oculus sounds great too!
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well,i suppose you are wrong about the name. I think it is Benedict Cumberbatch
Do another video on types of Mnemonic memory techniques! For persons who only know of Mind Palace thanks to Bumble bee Lumberjack👍😁😂
Socrates was right, in so many ways.
People say I have a good memory but I tend to have poor spacial orientation. Why might that be?
I also had a memory test once and I can still remember one association: rice chair
Roshkin Memory probably isn't strictly dependent on spatial awareness, it's just that memory palaces might harness spatial awareness processing to enhance memory.
Humans have been relying on "off-site memory" since we invented writing, and each advance on that (printing press, internet, etc.) has only further degraded our on-board memory.
Socrates was right
did you just call a Reese's Cup Reese's Pieces... 7/8 stars -IGN
I wanted to correct you when you said "concubine" for the painting of Grande Odalisque, but... it does mean concubine. *hangs head sadly*
I recognize that SN. Don't be sad!
I knew you would. :D