Been balancing my own MC tires this way for 25 years.....One top tip I would offer is before mounting new tire, take tire-less wheel on the balancer and find the TRUE heavy spot of the wheel. its not always the valve stem. Mark the wheel this way when you mount a tire with a dot indicating the light spot of tire, you can align the dot with the TRUE heavy spot of the wheel and this usually results in less weight required to get a perfect balance.
Damn that’s great advice. Doing my first tire change on my motorcycle and will definitely use this tip. Assuming the tire I ordered that hasn’t arrived yet even has a dot.
@@craiggoldstein2461 think I did ok. My tire did come with the yellow dot. Lined it up with the heavy part of the rim (which wasn’t the valve stem) and had to use 7 quarter oz weights to get it balanced. Decided to break the bead and tried it at with the yellow dot at the valve stem (valve stem ended up being at about 2 o’clock to the heavy part of the rim) and the yellow dot only took 6 weights to balance somehow. Was thinking of breaking the bead and spinning the tire around on the rim on the balancer to see where it landed the best balance without any weights and go from there but the service manual says not to exceed 3 oz and since it is only half that decided to just leave it alone. I would have been good either way I guess. I’m wondering if the yellow dot on the tire was incorrect.
@@rivec33 Rivec, you clearly have a solid handle on the process. Well done sir! yes 1.5 ounce is OK and I would have left it alone too. What brand tire was it? I have a buddy who runs Shinkos (I tried talking him out of it) and did the last two for him same model Shinko....First one took 2.5 Ounces no matter what I did...the second one only 1 ounce....I think their quality control isnt the best.
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Ive even put the wheel in with no tire and marked the heavy side of the wheel then mounted the tire and checked the balance and as it drops to the heavy side i will spin the tire accordingly and check it again just to use less weights some times they are perfect ! its alot of extra effort though ! Bro you look great your diet worked well !
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I have to say this is the best video on balancing I have seen. Very thorough and done well. Well as in keeps you interested. No repeating that isn't needed and one lesson always leads to the next in perfect order. We'll done.
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Since a lot of weights are made of steel instead of lead, or if you are using spoke weights, if I need to split the weight, (ie need one and a half weights), I use two weights and spread them apart an equal distance from the light spot of the wheel. This averages out the effect of the weights on the light spot and brings the wheel in balance.
I put an orbital sander against my bike frame at the wheel, (side of sander touching, and not the pad), with nothing touching the wheel like a chain, brake caliper. The vibration from the sander will reduce the friction of the bearings and the tire will rotate with the heavy point down. With spoke wheels I have used solder wrapped around the spoke at the rim for weights.
I have been doing my own tire changes (also many friends) and balancing for 5 years now. I do street tires and slicks. I always remove the old weights and start from scratch. Only time I consider myself getting lucky is a rim needing no weights. That’s a rare occurrence and much appreciated.
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This is a demo of static balancing. It's also a good idea to split your balance weight up, putting 1/2 on each side of the rim, especially with today's wider tires. Adding all of the weight to only one side can result in uneven weight distribution (dynamic balance) causing wobble, shimmy, and excessive tire wear.
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I was going to make the same comment, static balancing is adequate when the wheels are relatively narrow. Loading the weights all on one side can exacerbate a dynamic imbalance, splitting them holds that side to side imbalance to a minimum.
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This is probably one of the best teachers you could ever have the guy is very thorough with everything. He probably has a entire course on how to brush his own teeth lol
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Yeah, I could get lucky! My mantra since I was in high school. I've balanced my motorcycle tires for years now, but I always rewatch your video to make sure I'm not forgetting anything.
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A nice tip for racing/trackdays is to also mark the side of rim and tire so you can see if the tire slips on the rim. If you're using the tire/wheel combo for more then one session and it has twisted badly atleast you're able to spot it and have it rebalanced. A 600 has no problem turning the tire about 1/4 on the rim. Even if you're going light on the mounting lube :)
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Interesting. I been riding all my life and never knew tire slippage on street bikes was an issue. Happens on motocross bikes often . Even with rim locks. I’m gonna mark my 636 tires and see if they ever have any slippage. I prob don’t ride it hard enough tho.
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Man best video I've seen on this field so far, no hidden secrets, thank you. Thanks to you I feel like I can attempt to do this myself. My biggest challenge will be replacing the tire, I don't know if I'm capable of doing that without damaging the rim
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Just get a set of tire spoons/irons and some rim guards, zip ties and of course don't forget to use some slippery stuff, windex will work. Lots of videos on how to do the zip tie method most don't care about their rotors like I do so use some wood blocks if you want to keep your rotors from contacting the ground or bench to keep from damaging them . I am in the process right now and it isn't that hard . My rims are all scratched up from previous owner and they need to be repainted so I didn't use wheel guards now I have a few more scratches to deal with my advice get them and use them ...
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Dude the most important part about mounting a tire is making sure the seals on both sides of the tire meet in the middle. The hole is smaller then the rim outside and it is not inside the rim. It's physics at work. Watch some vids on that. Some people use zip ties and some just put their knee on the tire opposite the side you are tire tooling on the tire. This dude probably has an excellent video on this going by his balancing video
Thank you so much, I’ve always wanted to balance my dirt bike wheels especially after I did the tubliss system which makes the front even more noticeable after 55 mph. Not really mandatory tho but my 890R is about to arrive so now I’m motivated. This is a very good video. I just subscribed to your channel thank you so much
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Something i learned through cranckshaft balancing to help with finding that spot faster and easier is to introduce a tiny amount of vibration, using a tool like a grinder or a drill and place it on the table (or resting at the side of the balancer to make contact if it has thick rubber base) and turing it on. Despite being being very little, that vibration shake things up enough to help to move the wheel (and also the cranckshaft if you are balancing that) to the heavy spot.
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Always remove the old weights when you balance a new tire. Start fresh, same as you do an automobile wheel. You balance the whole thing as a rotating assembly. "Heavy" part of the rim doesn't matter, the end result does.
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I have been ridding for 64 years and have always just wrapped thick solder around the spokes and has worked for 6 decades. Now that bikes have these tubeless wheels divide the weights for balancing. I think side loading these bearings just add friction to the rotating mass. When using those stick on weights put half on one side and half on the other side. That way there is no dynamic unbalance. That way it eliminates dynamic unbalance if just on one side that is just static balance. Now I just use internal balancing beads.
Great advice, good demonstration. I change and balance my own tires and balance this way. I bought a cbr1100 with a severely unbalanced front tire and it was scary dangerous beyond a certain *cough* point. I thought it was suspension or something else. After changing and balancing the new tire, it was vastly better (aka right)
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Years ago I worked in a tire shop that used bubble balancers. This was before high speed balancers were developed. They worked basically the same as what you are doing here. We would find approximately the amount of weight that was required to balance the heavy spot and then doubled that amount. The two weights were then placed 120 degrees from the heavy spot to make three areas of equal weight. We thought this would reduce the chance of the tire creating a wobble side to side. When you place the two weights you just move them a little one way or the other until the tire is balanced perfectly. This way you don’t have to trim the weights.
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I use balancing beads, cost about $2.00 to do both tires. No equipment necessary and maintains balance thru the life of the tire. ABC balancing beads are statically charged and stays clinged to the inside of the tire and doesn't erode the inside of the tire.
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I just liked and subscribed because this may have just saved me a few hundred dollars in one tire change, and Thousands in the long run. Thank you!❤👍🏻👍🏻
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Also you can separate the weights some around the wheel so all the weight isn't in one location. The 4 weights could have been 2 and 2 placed at 10 and 2 o'clock or 11 and 1 o'clock. Then compensate for the weight of the tape you add. I balance my dual sport bikes tires with 2 rim locks and weights. Installed new rear tire on my Multistrada and it took no weights, I was shocked.
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I been doin the same, I also move the weight mm sometimes to get it right and yes dont throw old weights out use them & cut them up & weigh on a digital scale to get it perfect,I do mine & friends & works great
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Thanks for this most excellent video. Very clear. Very detailed. Really suits my attention to detail. Also highlighted the excellent wheel stand. I’ll be getting one. Running an NT650 Honda with bad vibration. Wheels definitely need balancing. Now I know exactly how.
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what about splitting pieces on both sides of the rim; say you need 6 pieces, is it better to put all 6 in a row, or put 3 on one side and 3 on other ''inner'' side of the rim???
I was wondering the same. On my previous original factory tires, the weights were on one side on the outer side of rim. I just had tires replaced at Harley dealership and they put the weights across the entire rim. Not sure what is correct or poor workmanship.
Hi, Great video. I normally put the weights on the left and right split 50/50. I also put black duct tape over but only because I bought steel (silver)weights on my black rims 😂
To get those cones good and tight, you can put a palm sander (padless) on the end of the rod as you push on the cone. It will line right up and lock up tight with the help of the vibration.
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The cones are superfluous. I built a balancer much the same as this , with the support bearings on the uprights. But I use a 19mm straight axle to support the wheel. The 19mm straight axle is undersized for the wheel bearings. The wheel self aligns on the axle because gravity forces the ID of the wheel bearings to do that. The rest of the alignment is normal and is always reproducible which proves the balance is correct. And the wheel never wobbles on the balancer. The use of cones actually eliminates that self alignment under gravity *if the cones are not tight* . So the cones are superfluous.
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My local shop balances and mounts the tires for free (off the bike) if I buy the set from them…they also offer a deal where if I buy the rear the front is half off. I don’t know how this place stays in business but they’ve been around for 25plus years 🤷🏼♂️
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Has anyone tried match balancing the tyre to the wheel , meaning take all weights off and check balance then deflate and rotate tyre on wheel and check balance again and so on , then after you get as close as possible then add smallest weight needed rather than just putting tyre on wheel and adding whatever weight needed big or small
If you put the tire's light spot mark at the valve stem, you're essentially doing that. That's why the manufacturers mark their tires with a colored dot on the outside or a sticker on the inside of the tire. It surprises me how many dealers don't pay attention to the mark on the tires. 🤦🏻♂️
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Hello, great video - I'm about to embark on changing my own tyres and this has been superb. Apologies if you've answered this before (I may have missed it) - is there a rule of thumb as to where on the rim you put the weights once you've found the perfect position? By this I mean outer edge of the rim (where the originals were on your demo wheel), closer to the centre of the rim and also does left side/right side make any difference? Many thanks.
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Cones come with an inherent out of round condition depending on who manufactured them and the shaft to cone tolerance. Here is a hint. Don’t use cones. Buy the straightest shaft which come straight within .0001 over 12”. Put the shaft through the wheel and proceed with balancing. Before you tell me it does not work, try it
You are right on. One of my Mentors does the same thing. Expensive for most folks is the issue. My mentor gave me and extra chuck of the last one he made and still have not come across needing the oddball bearing ID he had. Thanks for commenting. Shane
I keep seeing people saying to use tape to secure weights. Did you ever experience weights coming off? I find it that a proper clean/degrease of the spot where you put them on, will ensure they never come off.
We asked Shane this one and he wanted to respond..."Yes, we see many wheels without wheel weights coming into the service shop. I also see them in many intersections waiting for a red light...😉 The fact of the matter is, no matter how much you try to get everyone to perfection cleaning and placing on an exact surface curve to fully take advantage of the full tape also while preventing a edge for something to catch and rip it off (even while cleaning), the only way I've ever seen one NEVER come off, is with full tape coverage. I can't help but agree with twisted_void that attention to detail goes along way BUT most people don't have or care about it." Shane You rock for commenting! Grab our T-shirt! Support links and gear below! Awesome and thanks for commenting! Smash the subscribe button (thank if already a sub!) Have you seen our "RUclips Trained Support Shirts? Great way to "high five us" goodfellasmerch.com/collections/how-2-wrench/products/support-shirt Join this channel to get access to perks: ruclips.net/channel/UCBhM8DCKnT3qXwTW0eToyCgjoin -Daily MEMBER FIRST COMMENTS ANSWERED FIRST -Live Q/A video chats -Wonder if we have a video on your need? Members can request content links! -Full Access to the ENTIRE 700 video library -Member-Only FREE tool giveaways Got an emergency and your head is about to explode from frustration or fear? Get Shane’s cell here: how2wrench.com/ols/products/techline-one-on-one
Just adding that some race organizations and track day organizations require the tape to pass tech inspection. I don't have any other information though. I believe they do sometimes come off.
@@twisted_void Centrifugal force would hold it against the wheel when moving. The tape/glue holds it for when not moving and slow speed. The adhesive on the weights can be mediocre, but it’s fairly consistent on duct tape. Also, as stated, racing and track day tech inspection requires it.
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What do you do if the bearings were hammered in one whack too much, and the wheel won't turn on the balance stand, but it will turn when torqued onto the bike? And did you ever notice that f it turns on the balance stand just fine, when torqued onto the bike, it squeezes the bearings and the tire won't turn? This makes me WANT to whack the bearings one extra time so it spins free when torqued onto the bike (to reduce rolling resistance, reduce wear on the bearings, save gas, etc).
would it be possible to balance the tire and the wheel separately and match up the spots where they might balance each other out when the tire is put on the wheel?
Absolutely! 1) find the heavy spot of the rim (without tyre). Mark it. 2) Balance the rim WITHOUT tyre. 3) Place tyre on rim, 1 bead ONLY. Find the heavy spot of the tyre. Mark the tyre heavy spot. 4) Rotate tyre so the TYRE HEAVY spot OPPOSITE heavy spot on rim. 5) Complete tyre install. 6) Remove weights from rim balance(2). 7) Balance wheel. I normally balance all wheels with their respective bitz (ie with brake discs and sprocket carrier). I have a junk front rim that is balanced perfectly and use that as my tyre weight finder for both front and rear tyres.
I don’t use cones, I made some spacers that fit snuggly into the bearings, and it’s much better… the cones don’t need to be as tight as you did them, but as long as they don’t slip on the inner bearing race is enough… the harder you press the cones it, that come tighten the bearings to prevent them from turning freely…
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Always balance the wheel with the sprocket, otherwise it'll throw the balance out when fitted You've overcomplicated the method. Simply find the light spot (it'll be at the top when let to settle); turn the wheel 90° and add your weight at 90°. With the correct weight, the wheel will not move. Done. Think of it like a seesaw or a two blade propeller - as long as the opposite points are of equal weight, there will be balance. Check the bearings before attempting to balance. Any imperfections in a bearings (in the wheel or on the stand), or on the shaft could cause a false reading.
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Good question. I try to keep them as close to center as possible mote to "protect" them from getting knocked off. It takes a wheel wider than 6" to seem to really matter (from what I hear). I just have never had a wheel balance problem using this shown method. Glad it helped! Thanks! Join the channel. Best $1.99 you'll spend to access all 800 vids and Shane Daily! Smash the sub and like please. Throw Shane a high five donation, channel membership or merch for saving you $$$$$$$ Links below to support more for this work! 🙏 You rock for commenting! We will let Shane know! Want even more? Best $2 you'll ever spend...Join this channel to get access to perks: ruclips.net/channel/UCBhM8DCKnT3qXwTW0eToyCgjoin -Daily MEMBER FIRST COMMENTS ANSWERED FIRST -Live Q/A video chats -Wonder if we have a video on your need? Members can request content links! -Full Access to the ENTIRE 700 video library -Member-Only FREE tool giveaways Ways to support or high five How 2 Wrench! Thank you in advance. YOU MOTIVATE US TO DO MORE! 1. Smash the subscribe button (thank if already a sub!) 2. Have you seen our "RUclips Trained Support Shirts? goodfellasmerch.com/collections/how-2-wrench/products/support-shirt 3. High five donation: www.paypal.me/how2wrench 4. Got an emergency and your head is about to explode from frustration or fear? Get Shane’s cell here: how2wrench.com/ols/products/techline-one-on-one
This type of wheel balancer is also used to balance aircraft wheel/tire assemblies. One recommendation- once you get it set up, prior to balancing, do just as you did in the video- spin the wheel and allow it to spin for at least 30-40 seconds to warm up the bearings on the balancer, then you are good to start balancing.
The stick on weights.....if I pull them off is there any way to re-use them on a spoked bike wheel. Edit....yes I refitted my old weights with a smeam of silicone sealant.
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I can't count the number of times my friends and I have been minorly injured from the damn balancing rod slipping off. So I added side plates to each support to keep the rod captive.
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You didn't wait for the wheel to settle once, meaning you got the heavy spot wrong. It even moved CCW and then CW a bit after you left it to get the scissors, and a bit when you checked it the last time. The technique is right, but you have to do it right too, if you want it perfect. If you're happy with 98%, then you're good.
I don't know if it's been mentioned in the comments yet but I also turn the shaft 180 degrees, relative to the wheel, as a final check to ensure I'm not dealing with a cone to shaft off-centre issue or a slightly bent shaft.
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The motion pro setup like the one in this video. The issue with the bubble balancer is that it only relates a point on the wheel/tire with a point 180 degrees away. It could look perfectly balanced on that, but if you put it on the stand like this, it could still be off. Like, 12 o'clock could be balanced to 6 o'clock, and 3 o'clock balanced with 9, but for rotational, maybe at 1:30, there's a slightly heavier spot that will make the tire rotate on the stand. That said, for average road speeds, it's likely fine. For full disclosure, I've been doing my own tire mounting/balancing for ... maybe 10 years, but I'm not a mechanic at a garage, and do more machining for fun than tire mounting.
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This may be a dumb question but seems like all thread would be a better choice for your axle rod, given the need to make sure the cones are properly snugged up. What am I missing?
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All thread would be gamble as far as accuracy of the threads for rolling on the bearings, and also for it being straight. Everything made has tolerances, and threads on all-thread would be looser tolerances than a precision ground rod that would come with nicer balancing stands (not critiquing the one in this video, I wasn't looking at the rod that close and have no interest in being negative). The cones themselves would also be looser, as threads are smaller than the diameter they are called by. A 3/8" thread has a major diameter smaller than 3/8". That said, if a current setup has the cones getting loose or not getting tight enough, then it might still be an improvement. I say all this as a mostly hobby/part time professional manual machinist that's also done some light reading of the machinery handbook for fun.
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Do you have a source for lead weights? I have HF steel that are more difficult to contour to the rim, I want all the adhesive to make contact with the rim.
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I don’t trust the double-sided tape that comes on new weights. Instead, I peel that junk off and put 3M acrylic foam, double sided tape on them. Clean both surfaces with a good solvent (I use Goof Off) to get maximum adhesion. You’ll never throw another wheel weight.
I have been using dyna beads in my heritage Softail. . last 6 years. Metzler's and have had really good results. . If I'm going over 100 I'm trying to knock a big girl off the back! Great video.
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Been balancing my own MC tires this way for 25 years.....One top tip I would offer is before mounting new tire, take tire-less wheel on the balancer and find the TRUE heavy spot of the wheel. its not always the valve stem. Mark the wheel this way when you mount a tire with a dot indicating the light spot of tire, you can align the dot with the TRUE heavy spot of the wheel and this usually results in less weight required to get a perfect balance.
Damn that’s great advice. Doing my first tire change on my motorcycle and will definitely use this tip. Assuming the tire I ordered that hasn’t arrived yet even has a dot.
@@rivec33 If you need any help or tips lemme know
@@craiggoldstein2461 cool thanks. Doing it sometime next week. Looks easy enough.
@@craiggoldstein2461 think I did ok. My tire did come with the yellow dot. Lined it up with the heavy part of the rim (which wasn’t the valve stem) and had to use 7 quarter oz weights to get it balanced. Decided to break the bead and tried it at with the yellow dot at the valve stem (valve stem ended up being at about 2 o’clock to the heavy part of the rim) and the yellow dot only took 6 weights to balance somehow. Was thinking of breaking the bead and spinning the tire around on the rim on the balancer to see where it landed the best balance without any weights and go from there but the service manual says not to exceed 3 oz and since it is only half that decided to just leave it alone. I would have been good either way I guess. I’m wondering if the yellow dot on the tire was incorrect.
@@rivec33 Rivec, you clearly have a solid handle on the process. Well done sir! yes 1.5 ounce is OK and I would have left it alone too. What brand tire was it? I have a buddy who runs Shinkos (I tried talking him out of it) and did the last two for him same model Shinko....First one took 2.5 Ounces no matter what I did...the second one only 1 ounce....I think their quality control isnt the best.
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Ive even put the wheel in with no tire and marked the heavy side of the wheel then mounted the tire and checked the balance and as it drops to the heavy side i will spin the tire accordingly and check it again just to use less weights some times they are perfect ! its alot of extra effort though ! Bro you look great your diet worked well !
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Best vid on balancing, that first bit where you got the axle really firm is where i have not been paying attention... thank you
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I have to say this is the best video on balancing I have seen. Very thorough and done well. Well as in keeps you interested. No repeating that isn't needed and one lesson always leads to the next in perfect order. We'll done.
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Since a lot of weights are made of steel instead of lead, or if you are using spoke weights, if I need to split the weight, (ie need one and a half weights), I use two weights and spread them apart an equal distance from the light spot of the wheel. This averages out the effect of the weights on the light spot and brings the wheel in balance.
I put an orbital sander against my bike frame at the wheel, (side of sander touching, and not the pad), with nothing touching the wheel like a chain, brake caliper. The vibration from the sander will reduce the friction of the bearings and the tire will rotate with the heavy point down. With spoke wheels I have used solder wrapped around the spoke at the rim for weights.
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I have been doing my own tire changes (also many friends) and balancing for 5 years now. I do street tires and slicks. I always remove the old weights and start from scratch. Only time I consider myself getting lucky is a rim needing no weights. That’s a rare occurrence and much appreciated.
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This is a demo of static balancing. It's also a good idea to split your balance weight up, putting 1/2 on each side of the rim, especially with today's wider tires. Adding all of the weight to only one side can result in uneven weight distribution (dynamic balance) causing wobble, shimmy, and excessive tire wear.
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I was going to make the same comment, static balancing is adequate when the wheels are relatively narrow. Loading the weights all on one side can exacerbate a dynamic imbalance, splitting them holds that side to side imbalance to a minimum.
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What a great video. Concise, well explained. As a 62 year old rider that will never balance my own wheels/tires. It’s always great to learn.
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@@How2Wrench It was in my suggested list bruh. I repair bikes as a hobby. I find old forgotten relics and fix em up. 90% of the time it is a easy problem to solve, that someone did not fix and left sittin. But I only do Low Mileage bikes. Higher mileage tends to have other issues with the engine internally. Or Gearbox and as old as they are those parts just are not available. I know how to wrench and thanks for the offer. Think I will pass.
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This is probably one of the best teachers you could ever have the guy is very thorough with everything. He probably has a entire course on how to brush his own teeth lol
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Yeah, I could get lucky! My mantra since I was in high school. I've balanced my motorcycle tires for years now, but I always rewatch your video to make sure I'm not forgetting anything.
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A nice tip for racing/trackdays is to also mark the side of rim and tire so you can see if the tire slips on the rim. If you're using the tire/wheel combo for more then one session and it has twisted badly atleast you're able to spot it and have it rebalanced.
A 600 has no problem turning the tire about 1/4 on the rim. Even if you're going light on the mounting lube :)
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Interesting. I been riding all my life and never knew tire slippage on street bikes was an issue. Happens on motocross bikes often . Even with rim locks. I’m gonna mark my 636 tires and see if they ever have any slippage. I prob don’t ride it hard enough tho.
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Man best video I've seen on this field so far, no hidden secrets, thank you. Thanks to you I feel like I can attempt to do this myself. My biggest challenge will be replacing the tire, I don't know if I'm capable of doing that without damaging the rim
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Just get a set of tire spoons/irons and some rim guards, zip ties and of course don't forget to use some slippery stuff, windex will work. Lots of videos on how to do the zip tie method most don't care about their rotors like I do so use some wood blocks if you want to keep your rotors from contacting the ground or bench to keep from damaging them .
I am in the process right now and it isn't that hard . My rims are all scratched up from previous owner and they need to be repainted so I didn't use wheel guards now I have a few more scratches to deal with my advice get them and use them ...
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Dude the most important part about mounting a tire is making sure the seals on both sides of the tire meet in the middle. The hole is smaller then the rim outside and it is not inside the rim. It's physics at work. Watch some vids on that. Some people use zip ties and some just put their knee on the tire opposite the side you are tire tooling on the tire. This dude probably has an excellent video on this going by his balancing video
Thank you so much, I’ve always wanted to balance my dirt bike wheels especially after I did the tubliss system which makes the front even more noticeable after 55 mph. Not really mandatory tho but my 890R is about to arrive so now I’m motivated. This is a very good video. I just subscribed to your channel thank you so much
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Something i learned through cranckshaft balancing to help with finding that spot faster and easier is to introduce a tiny amount of vibration, using a tool like a grinder or a drill and place it on the table (or resting at the side of the balancer to make contact if it has thick rubber base) and turing it on. Despite being being very little, that vibration shake things up enough to help to move the wheel (and also the cranckshaft if you are balancing that) to the heavy spot.
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Always remove the old weights when you balance a new tire. Start fresh, same as you do an automobile wheel. You balance the whole thing as a rotating assembly. "Heavy" part of the rim doesn't matter, the end result does.
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I have been ridding for 64 years and have always just wrapped thick solder around the spokes and has worked for 6 decades. Now that bikes have these tubeless wheels divide the weights for balancing. I think side loading these bearings just add friction to the rotating mass. When using those stick on weights put half on one side and half on the other side. That way there is no dynamic unbalance. That way it eliminates dynamic unbalance if just on one side that is just static balance. Now I just use internal balancing beads.
Great advice, good demonstration. I change and balance my own tires and balance this way. I bought a cbr1100 with a severely unbalanced front tire and it was scary dangerous beyond a certain *cough* point. I thought it was suspension or something else. After changing and balancing the new tire, it was vastly better (aka right)
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Years ago I worked in a tire shop that used bubble balancers. This was before high speed balancers were developed. They worked basically the same as what you are doing here.
We would find approximately the amount of weight that was required to balance the heavy spot and then doubled that amount. The two weights were then placed 120 degrees from the heavy spot to make three areas of equal weight. We thought this would reduce the chance of the tire creating a wobble side to side. When you place the two weights you just move them a little one way or the other until the tire is balanced perfectly. This way you don’t have to trim the weights.
I use blue painters tape to mark locations and temporarily hold weghts.
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I use balancing beads, cost about $2.00 to do both tires. No equipment necessary and maintains balance thru the life of the tire. ABC balancing beads are statically charged and stays clinged to the inside of the tire and doesn't erode the inside of the tire.
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Yes sir I use beads to balance all my tires it is by far the best way. Cheers
Where do you find the oz. chart for tire size?
I recently started using Ride On balance beads. They seem to work fine . Ive been up to 90 mph with them and no issues. No more weights on my rims.
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Great video. Thanks. And yes, folks, this os how they balance tires at the top level in MotoGp. 💯👍🏁
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I just liked and subscribed because this may have just saved me a few hundred dollars in one tire change, and Thousands in the long run. Thank you!❤👍🏻👍🏻
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Basically the way I’ve been doing it but not the way I was told to do it. But it works. Very good video.
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does the little bit of duct tape throw off the weight at all when you are testing?
Also you can separate the weights some around the wheel so all the weight isn't in one location. The 4 weights could have been 2 and 2 placed at 10 and 2 o'clock or 11 and 1 o'clock. Then compensate for the weight of the tape you add.
I balance my dual sport bikes tires with 2 rim locks and weights. Installed new rear tire on my Multistrada and it took no weights, I was shocked.
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No need to pull up.
Push the top cone down and you'll be fine 😂
Not a lot of people understand physics. You’re right though. The weight of the wheel with him pushing on it is doing more then trying to pull it up 😂
I been doin the same, I also move the weight mm sometimes to get it right and yes dont throw old weights out use them & cut them up & weigh on a digital scale to get it perfect,I do mine & friends & works great
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Thanks for this most excellent video. Very clear. Very detailed. Really suits my attention to detail. Also highlighted the excellent wheel stand. I’ll be getting one.
Running an NT650 Honda with bad vibration. Wheels definitely need balancing. Now I know exactly how.
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Thank You for the Video. Great Job on showing how to Balance the Tire.👍👍
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The places we ride " Close Enough " is good . 😁
what about splitting pieces on both sides of the rim; say you need 6 pieces, is it better to put all 6 in a row, or put 3 on one side and 3 on other ''inner'' side of the rim???
Not sure if someone already asked, but how do you decide what side of the wheel (sprocket side or rotor side) to put the weighs on? Thanks.
I was wondering the same. On my previous original factory tires, the weights were on one side on the outer side of rim. I just had tires replaced at Harley dealership and they put the weights across the entire rim. Not sure what is correct or poor workmanship.
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Great video.
I normally put the weights on the left and right split 50/50.
I also put black duct tape over but only because I bought steel (silver)weights on my black rims 😂
Curious, why not use clip on coated lead weights on the center of the rim? Is it because of the spokes?
To get those cones good and tight, you can put a palm sander (padless) on the end of the rod as you push on the cone. It will line right up and lock up tight with the help of the vibration.
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The cones are superfluous.
I built a balancer much the same as this , with the support bearings on the uprights. But I use a 19mm straight axle to support the wheel. The 19mm straight axle is undersized for the wheel bearings. The wheel self aligns on the axle because gravity forces the ID of the wheel bearings to do that.
The rest of the alignment is normal and is always reproducible which proves the balance is correct. And the wheel never wobbles on the balancer.
The use of cones actually eliminates that self alignment under gravity *if the cones are not tight* .
So the cones are superfluous.
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My local shop balances and mounts the tires for free (off the bike) if I buy the set from them…they also offer a deal where if I buy the rear the front is half off. I don’t know how this place stays in business but they’ve been around for 25plus years 🤷🏼♂️
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What are your thoughts on bead weights that are available ?
Has anyone tried match balancing the tyre to the wheel , meaning take all weights off and check balance then deflate and rotate tyre on wheel and check balance again and so on , then after you get as close as possible then add smallest weight needed rather than just putting tyre on wheel and adding whatever weight needed big or small
If you put the tire's light spot mark at the valve stem, you're essentially doing that. That's why the manufacturers mark their tires with a colored dot on the outside or a sticker on the inside of the tire. It surprises me how many dealers don't pay attention to the mark on the tires. 🤦🏻♂️
@@atvtinker01unfortunately a lot of tire manufacturers don’t do the dot anymore
That's the way!
Guide says "yes and then all life in that galaxy suddenly teleported to a parallel universe of perfect balance, where nobody ever slipped, even on a banana peel."
If you notice the rotor is not running true when you check with an indicator.
Hiw many thousands runout would you find acceptable?
.005? .01?
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at the workshop we have axles with diff diameter.
no need for cones.
ex. adapter needed for ie vfr 800 or other bikes with one arm rear suspension
Tip #1 wd 40 will clean the adhesive from the old weights in a snap.
Hello, great video - I'm about to embark on changing my own tyres and this has been superb. Apologies if you've answered this before (I may have missed it) - is there a rule of thumb as to where on the rim you put the weights once you've found the perfect position? By this I mean outer edge of the rim (where the originals were on your demo wheel), closer to the centre of the rim and also does left side/right side make any difference? Many thanks.
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Cones come with an inherent out of round condition depending on who manufactured them and the shaft to cone tolerance. Here is a hint. Don’t use cones. Buy the straightest shaft which come straight within .0001 over 12”. Put the shaft through the wheel and proceed with balancing. Before you tell me it does not work, try it
You are right on. One of my Mentors does the same thing. Expensive for most folks is the issue. My mentor gave me and extra chuck of the last one he made and still have not come across needing the oddball bearing ID he had.
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I keep seeing people saying to use tape to secure weights. Did you ever experience weights coming off? I find it that a proper clean/degrease of the spot where you put them on, will ensure they never come off.
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Just adding that some race organizations and track day organizations require the tape to pass tech inspection. I don't have any other information though. I believe they do sometimes come off.
@@chipmunkshavenuts i just don't get it. If the glue on the weights fails, i cannot believe that a bit of tape to will hold weights in place.
@@twisted_void Centrifugal force would hold it against the wheel when moving. The tape/glue holds it for when not moving and slow speed. The adhesive on the weights can be mediocre, but it’s fairly consistent on duct tape. Also, as stated, racing and track day tech inspection requires it.
Good video on how to balance. 👍 Don't need any fancy wheel balancer though. A pair of jack stands and axle bolt will achieve the same results.
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Hi great tip - on how to center the cones.
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That balancer you are using, will it accommodate a 21” rim and tire? A Harley front wheel from a wide glide?
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You can improve your dynamic weight distribution by splitting the weight in half and stick one to each side of the rim
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Great demo
I balance my m/c tires with Dyna Beads. No issues and ez as pie.
Can I balance the wheel on the bike? I don't have a wheel balancer ... also, how is this going to kill me if I don't balance the wheel?
What do you do if the bearings were hammered in one whack too much, and the wheel won't turn on the balance stand, but it will turn when torqued onto the bike?
And did you ever notice that f it turns on the balance stand just fine, when torqued onto the bike, it squeezes the bearings and the tire won't turn? This makes me WANT to whack the bearings one extra time so it spins free when torqued onto the bike (to reduce rolling resistance, reduce wear on the bearings, save gas, etc).
would it be possible to balance the tire and the wheel separately and match up the spots where they might balance each other out when the tire is put on the wheel?
Absolutely! 1) find the heavy spot of the rim (without tyre). Mark it. 2) Balance the rim WITHOUT tyre. 3) Place tyre on rim, 1 bead ONLY. Find the heavy spot of the tyre. Mark the tyre heavy spot. 4) Rotate tyre so the TYRE HEAVY spot OPPOSITE heavy spot on rim. 5) Complete tyre install. 6) Remove weights from rim balance(2). 7) Balance wheel. I normally balance all wheels with their respective bitz (ie with brake discs and sprocket carrier).
I have a junk front rim that is balanced perfectly and use that as my tyre weight finder for both front and rear tyres.
I don’t use cones, I made some spacers that fit snuggly into the bearings, and it’s much better… the cones don’t need to be as tight as you did them, but as long as they don’t slip on the inner bearing race is enough… the harder you press the cones it, that come tighten the bearings to prevent them from turning freely…
We've done that for popular models we did often too. Solid fix to avoid human error.
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Painters tape is lighter and less sticky if you're removing it.
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Always balance the wheel with the sprocket, otherwise it'll throw the balance out when fitted
You've overcomplicated the method. Simply find the light spot (it'll be at the top when let to settle); turn the wheel 90° and add your weight at 90°. With the correct weight, the wheel will not move. Done.
Think of it like a seesaw or a two blade propeller - as long as the opposite points are of equal weight, there will be balance.
Check the bearings before attempting to balance. Any imperfections in a bearings (in the wheel or on the stand), or on the shaft could cause a false reading.
Is 40 grams too much? i already rotated the tire 180degrees but the heavy spot changed also 180degree. (no balancing dot michelin road 6 tire)
China marker usually works well on marking tires😊
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Good explanation. You got that down pat
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Now i just need to try correct the ding in my dirt bike rear rim
How do you feel about balancing beads inside the tire?
Quick question, does it matter where you put the wheel weights? I mean calliper side, sprocket side or middle?
Good question. I try to keep them as close to center as possible mote to "protect" them from getting knocked off. It takes a wheel wider than 6" to seem to really matter (from what I hear). I just have never had a wheel balance problem using this shown method.
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This type of wheel balancer is also used to balance aircraft wheel/tire assemblies. One recommendation- once you get it set up, prior to balancing, do just as you did in the video- spin the wheel and allow it to spin for at least 30-40 seconds to warm up the bearings on the balancer, then you are good to start balancing.
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why don't u use a laser on top center op de stand ?
this way you have perfect visual reference where to stick ...
The stick on weights.....if I pull them off is there any way to re-use them on a spoked bike wheel.
Edit....yes I refitted my old weights with a smeam of silicone sealant.
I did my front and was at 3/4 oz. I put gorilla tape over the weights and that became the heavy spot on the wheel. 🤬
Omg, hands off and let it settle! Driving me nuts.
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I can't count the number of times my friends and I have been minorly injured from the damn balancing rod slipping off. So I added side plates to each support to keep the rod captive.
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You didn't wait for the wheel to settle once, meaning you got the heavy spot wrong. It even moved CCW and then CW a bit after you left it to get the scissors, and a bit when you checked it the last time. The technique is right, but you have to do it right too, if you want it perfect. If you're happy with 98%, then you're good.
I don't know if it's been mentioned in the comments yet but I also turn the shaft 180 degrees, relative to the wheel, as a final check to ensure I'm not dealing with a cone to shaft off-centre issue or a slightly bent shaft.
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I have an old Coats motorcycle bubble balancer and also the MotionPro set up that you have. Do you suggest using one over the other?
The motion pro setup like the one in this video. The issue with the bubble balancer is that it only relates a point on the wheel/tire with a point 180 degrees away. It could look perfectly balanced on that, but if you put it on the stand like this, it could still be off. Like, 12 o'clock could be balanced to 6 o'clock, and 3 o'clock balanced with 9, but for rotational, maybe at 1:30, there's a slightly heavier spot that will make the tire rotate on the stand. That said, for average road speeds, it's likely fine. For full disclosure, I've been doing my own tire mounting/balancing for ... maybe 10 years, but I'm not a mechanic at a garage, and do more machining for fun than tire mounting.
God I wish tyre services would balance this good !
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Hey aren't you with Western Iowa Tech are you still working with them..... does that make sense...lol👍
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Hey man. good day. Just a question. What do you call the tool you used to hold the wheels ( where you put the mounting cones )
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Here is a link to the entire tool. Maybe the ad will have what you're looking for or the instructions to download. amzn.to/3A94Tyw If you are talking about the shaft the cones are mounted on, it comes in the kit too.
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This may be a dumb question but seems like all thread would be a better choice for your axle rod, given the need to make sure the cones are properly snugged up. What am I missing?
I've been thinking of taking the time to make one and record the difference for years and never do...maybe you've just inspired me to add this to the video list BECAUSE I'm so curious too...
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All thread would be gamble as far as accuracy of the threads for rolling on the bearings, and also for it being straight. Everything made has tolerances, and threads on all-thread would be looser tolerances than a precision ground rod that would come with nicer balancing stands (not critiquing the one in this video, I wasn't looking at the rod that close and have no interest in being negative). The cones themselves would also be looser, as threads are smaller than the diameter they are called by. A 3/8" thread has a major diameter smaller than 3/8". That said, if a current setup has the cones getting loose or not getting tight enough, then it might still be an improvement. I say all this as a mostly hobby/part time professional manual machinist that's also done some light reading of the machinery handbook for fun.
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What if the wheel has no axle, like on a BMW R1200, ie shaft drive?
There are single sided adaptors.
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Do you have a source for lead weights? I have HF steel that are more difficult to contour to the rim, I want all the adhesive to make contact with the rim.
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I don’t trust the double-sided tape that comes on new weights. Instead, I peel that junk off and put 3M acrylic foam, double sided tape on them. Clean both surfaces with a good solvent (I use Goof Off) to get maximum adhesion. You’ll never throw another wheel weight.
I have been using dyna beads in my heritage Softail. . last 6 years. Metzler's and have had really good results. . If I'm going over 100 I'm trying to knock a big girl off the back! Great video.
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