Operation Mount Hope III: When America Stole a Russian Attack Helicopter
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- This video recounts the real-life version of when your helicopter is destroyed, and rather than waiting for it to respawn, you just run to the other side of the map and take the Russian helicopter.
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Interesting little fact about the Hind's gun:
The YakB-12.7 is unique amongst Gatling machine guns and autocannons. Instead of using external electric power like most Western Gatling-style weapons, the gun was self-powered. It used an electrical primer to fire the first round, but afterwards it used the gas from the fired cartridges to turn and cycle the gun (gas operation). This resulted in a blistering 4000-5000 rounds per minute.
All russian gatling guns are gas powered if i recall they come in 12.7 soviet , 23 and 30mm variants . They also made Gast principle 23mm and 30 mm autocannons , 2 barrels - the recoil of one powers the other giving rpms of around 3300 , might not be that impressive considering modern revolver cannons but the guns are much lighter and easier to maintain also require no outside power source .
Gas-powered firearms are an old concept.
@@aymonfoxc1442 yes, but gas-powered rotary machine guns are extremely uncommon. This is what I was getting at.
@@black.baron_angel That's fair. I don't mean to come across as rude. I think the first designs that could fit in this category were from the nineteenth century but one may even stretch back to the eighteenth century but it's a hard one to track down.
The 1984 movie Red Dawn was most American's introduction to the HIND. The production crew constructed a convincing flying mock-up of an MI-24 by modifying an SA330 Puma. Ok, it wasn't real close, but it was pretty cool at the time.
Wolverines!!!!!!!!
There were some early-ish GI Joe comics, featuring the 'Oktober Guard', that included Hinds as well... that was my introduction to them :)
@@alyssinwilliams4570 Least Cobra Commander would have wiped the Taliban. He never took a nap!
I the the movie Red Scorpion used the same helicopter to stand in as a Hind
In one episode of Firefly Kayleigh is scrounging parts in a junkyard. You see behind her the obvious outline of a Hind, but it's just a shell. It's probably what they used for the cosmetics on the Puma in Red Dawn.
Fun Fact: This stolen Hind is now on display at the Southern Museum of Flight in Birmingham, Alabama.
You sure about that? We had one on the Tarmac at Hurlburt field…. I wonder where that one came from then
@@TraxxofAOT According to the Museum at least. Some could have be captured in Iraq or covertly purchased from other nations (Poland for example).
@@TraxxofAOT Its probably in the Museum. They don't tend to lie about provenance like that. The one at Hurlburt could have come from a number of places. The US bought a lot of the larger surplus military equipment in the 90s from a lot of the break away states to keep it out of the hands of various non-state groups. Could have also been seized from Iraq during the Gulf War as well.
@@TraxxofAOT We trained against an operational Hind at Ft. Polk in the mid 90's. I wonder where it came from?
The U.S. got some Afghan ones from Pakistan and some during the Persian Gulf War
It was probably less "Let's steal this and copy the design" and more of "Let's find out how best to blow up this helicopter".
Stingers proved to be excellent at just that. That's why the Americans gave a lot of Stingers to their political friend Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan so he could annoy the Soviets with them. The Soviets didn't take that kindly and buried land mines everywhere as revenge among other nasty things. It would later turn out that Mr Laden felt very used and betrayed after the Americans promptly left as soon as the Soviet Union fell. But Mr Laden still had a lot of Stinger missiles in his possession...
actually the chadian govt offered it to us and that particular bird was being used at fort rucker in air defense training as of 2005!!!
@@andersjjensen That is heavily disputed: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden
@@MattBellzminion there is a reason why you cant reference wikipedia in college lol. Get better and more reliable sources for your debate
yeah right..
I flew Chinooks for 20 years. Awesome power and agility. I have carried other chinooks, blackhawks, and so much more. By the way Simon, you pronounced a bit wrong. Here’s a phonetic spelling, “shinook”. The “ook” part sounds “hook” without the “h” sound. Also, the published maximum external load was 26,000 lbs. Even so, this is my favorite video by far!
They say your old ride can outrun an AH-64 👍
D model or later, yes. And bear in mind these were the MH-47G variants, loaded with a lot of extra armor, fuel and countermeasures. I believe the blades were different as well, stronger but with less +
less load capacity.
Its still not an F-22 Raptor video. But yes this one is good.
To be fair this comment is kinda cringey
Also to be fair an American explaining how words work to an English person is fucking hilarious
" A hind D?! Colonel, what's a Russian gunship doing here?" 🥷👍😅
That's the only reason I recognized it straight away.
He must be crazy to fly a Hind in this weather...
I specifically opened this video to look for this quote
@@PSkullKidDnazen same lol
Snaaaaaaaaakkkkeee!
The Mi-24 still lives on as the Mi-35, basically the same design but with a redesigned composite structure and fully modernized avionics. It's like they basicly just said "screw it the Mi-24 worked so well why bother designing something new we'll just update that and call it a day"
That's how the Russians do it. Same for the Foxbat.
@@ratagris21 and the flanker
I would've thought that America could've done that with the A10, or Nasa with the space shuttle, it was a good platform, it just needed updating.
kind of like we been doing with the AH-1
@@derwindhund116 space shuttle had a lot of compromises and was meant as one component of a larger program NASA never really got funded for, and was never capable of its intended turn around time
If there's one thing that NASA should've done it with, it was the Saturn family. We spent 40 odd years without it only to rebuild the capability from space shuttle spare parts.
Can you PLEASE do the YF-23 vs the YF-22.
There's a lot of footage and it was a competition that shaped the modern Air Force.
And, of course the YF-23 is beautiful.......
It should have won on looks alone.
Both were better than the rent a wreck f35.
The USA forever owns them and makes other country’s pay so much for them they can’t afford any other airforce themselves.
VF-23 is beautiful and a capable plane. But the company knowledge was needed for the production of the future raider bomber …
Ahhh another ignorant folk maybe go tell that to the swiss whey they choose the f35 for being both better and cheaper than the rest of the competion which included the Typhoon,Gripen,Rafael and F-18E Super hornet.
Simon really narrates an action sequence well!
Thanks :)
One of the best presenters on RUclips.
@@Sideprojects Seriously, you'd make a great audiobook narrator. As a librarian I listen to plenty who have ZERO interest in the subject matter and shows, I could listen to you discuss special ops missions all day.
if WW3 happens, I want Simon to narrate it.
You should do the CH47 becoming gunships. They were ridiculously over powered that they could barely fly. I got to see one of the few still alive.
War Thunder: Write that down! Write that down!
My dad flew a CH46 for like a hundred years in the Marine Corps. He swears that bird is still flying. Great helicopters 👍
1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile) used converted CH-47 into gunships which they called Guns-a-go go - ruclips.net/video/WMwcIXVdois/видео.html
When I transitioned into the CH-47 in early '69, my flight instructor had been a pilot on this huge gunship platform.
@@davehertleLove to hear some of those stories my friend.
*btw cool last name 😎
@@IrishMike22 Yea Stolen Valor. No one falls for some BS about flying helo's for a 100 years, lmao!!
Simon, recheck your spec sources on that. The C model Chinooks (which I doubt they were using then) had a sling load capacity of 20k lbs and the D model is 26k lbs. -Former US Army Chinook mechanic/crew chief here.
I've never seen a you tube video get Chinook specs right, they always confuse "A" model numbers for some reason. I'm also pretty sure they used either a D or E model for this.
@@devin1983 Which model was it when they changed the name to "Chi-Nuke"?
Devin being at the time that mission took place, and being the Nightstalkers, it was more than likely a modified D model. They didn’t get the MH-47E until right before Desert Shield/Storm. 👍🏻
Sorry about that, thanks for the correction :).
Sideprojects no problem! Keep up the good work, I LOVE this channel!
More Video's on the "HIND-24 & 25" please...
As I grew up with all of the Late 1970's to Present Action Movies, this was the "Winged Beast from Hell"!
Working at Boeing Vertol flight test in mid 80s. Assigned to a heavy lift upgrade to CH47 and hook modifications. Spoke passable French and had a non-US passport. Shipped out on 2 weeks notice and didn't come back for a while. Decades go by and next thing I know these videos pop up on RUclips.
11:27 in the video, the question being asked is "how do we get it in with the tail not hitting the top of the cabin?"
Note that the C-5s are based on the East Coast in Dover, Delaware and Boeing Vertol's flight test facility was in New Castle, Delaware 50 miles north.
The airframe itself wasn't so much the prize as the electronics and systems. Gave a great insight into where the Soviets were, compared to US systems.
There wasn't much interest by the US military in building anything like this.
I think you called them the 160th SOAR. That was not correct at the time. It was the 160th aviation battalion then transitioned to 160th Special Operations Aviation Group.
1:20 - Chapter 1 - Soviet foreign policy
2:25 - Chapter 2 - The MI 24 Hind
4:15 - Chapter 3 - Specs
5:25 - Chapter 4 - Green with envy
7:00 - Chapter 5 - Chadian & Libyan conflict
8:20 - Chapter 6 - The mission
12:30 - Chapter 7 - Post mission
I was rather confused as to what helicopter Simon was talking about until I saw it. "Chin-nuke", never heard it called that before.
Shin-nuc
Haven't heard a MI 24 called a 25 either. Had to look that one up
ShihNOOK is how it tends to be pronounced in the Pacific Northwest, without a pause between the syllables.
My tribal buddies say it as “shin-nook”. As in lower leg bone and small corner area of a room used for reading. I will go with their pronunciation.
Yeah "shin-nook" as in bone, room is how I have always referred to that aircraft. "Chin-nuke" sounded weird and I at first thought it was some Russian help.
Geez, the Russian helicopter sounds like an absolute monster!
It's too big to be a truly effective attack helicopter. The cobra x and the Apache have a fuselage that is less than 1 m wide which makes it much smaller target. And of course it's far more maneuverable. The Russian bird is also relatively easy to hit and knocked down with heat seeking missile
It was sometimes called "the flying tank.
*Soviet
In spite of what others on here apparently think, I was faced down by a Hind-D on the Czech border back in 1984, and I assure you it was very intimidating...strangely enough all I had was an M-16 and no heat seeking missile.
@@ExpatriatePaul I did not say it wasn't a powerful weapons system. It certainly killed lots of people. However I note that you are still here to talk about it. Soviets like big things. And they like things that do everything. Which is normally some thing the American Air Force gets accused of. Also if you look at the successor to this helicopter, it looks an awful lot like the Apache
Simon saying chinook helicopter the way he is reminds me of the state trooper in super troopers saying meow to the guy he pulled over
Somebody finally realized there's more spec ops than splashers and jumpers.
Ya know, given how all these channels are somehow produced in the limited time between videos on all of them, a feat worthy of Hercules or maybe Chuck Norris, you should do a Sideprojects video on what all goes into these and what processes you had to come up with to make so many of these. Or would that need to go on Megaprojects?
There is a Today I Found Out video called 'A TIFO story, how it's made'' btw
I haven't actually seen it yet, it's in my watch list but I imagine it covers the topic you are asking for (that is the reason I clicked on it as well)
I plan to watch soon but there's just so much good content to cover right now that I haven't gotten round to it yet..
@@J3diMindTrix Awesome, thanks!
Although never intended to be used as an emergency evac, there is at least one documented case of the Apache being used that way. If you count being strapped to the side that is.
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Not intended but if you wanted to we threw it I
Talking about heists, you should do a video on the capture of the German submarine, U-505.
Simon looking like he’s need that manscape sponsor for that beard it’s starting to get outa control
This is one hell of a side project. Thanks!
Solid Snake needs to watch this video if he wants to know about the Hind D
The 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (160th SOAR) is a US Army unit that has never flown the US Air Force's C-5 Galaxy. The MH-47 Chinooks were from the 160th SOAR.
Has the 160th ever had anything other than rotary-winged aircraft?
I've heard of this mission before and I have wondered why they just didn't fly the thing out themselves. I now have my answer.
Head of Pentagon: Should we steal a Russian attack helicopter from Gaddafi?
President: ABSOLUTELY! See if you can steal TWO while you're at it!
Would have loved to be a secretary in that office....
A daring mission of Grand Theft Chopper... :P
I have a side mission for you....
I love the clip of the British marines I believe using the stubby wings of the apache as a mount for themselves to go into battle
That "ting" @ 7:42 when simon mentions what's left on the airfield is hilarious
I'm so glad you got around to uploading a video on this topic. Anyone else wish that this video was made?
I was at Ft Rucker as a Captain in the Directorate of Combat Development when we were taken out to Cairns airfield where it had been delivered to in a hanger with guards around it. I was amazed at the size of the rotor system.
You should do a video on the Chinese capture of a soviet T-62 during the 1969 border skirmishes. It was a super advanced tank, literally still classified at the time, so it was a huge boon to Chinese tank development going forward.
Excellent lesson again. Love all the channels you do. Keep up the great work
Still iconic and still badass. The only “all in one” combat helicopter.
Simon and team should be honorary teachers at this point.
I would argue that these great folks ARE accomplished educators -online media is amazing.
What, for putting out videos just like ones put out a year ago by Dark Skies and Mark Fleton. This isn't the first time they have copied something done by some one else. I swear they go looking for video ideas and then just remake others work.
@@Khalifrio My god, it's like history can only be told once...
Ah yes a massive slow unmaneuvable target. What's that? Its impervious to small arms, that's ok I have a stinger.
Danny Chi-nyuk nyuk nyukin' it up over there..
Suggestions for further helicopter related videos:
Boeing/Vertrol CH-47 Chinook
Kamov Ka-52 Alligator
Lockheed AH-56 Cheyenne
Sikorsky S-97 Raider
Kamen K-1200 K-Max (this one is a wierdo)
Kamov Ka-32 / Ka-27
the way Simon is saying Chinook is making me chuckle
Didn't Rambo singlehandedly fight these helicopters in Afghanistan in the film "Rambo III"?
Yes, multi tasking with skill, being able to load and shoot while driving lol.
@@UmVtCg Yes, now you mention it, I believe I fought them in some old Commodore Amiga game (my Amiga computer probably with a processor more powerful than in the helicopter).
I live in 29 Palms CA and there's one that's owned by a contractor here in the US that flies as "the bad guy" during wargames. It's really neat to see it flying around. I have some photos of it flying over real low. It makes a very unique sound.
There was another one - it may have been the same helo that's operating now - that was used for the same thing out in Fort Irwin. I went to middle school at Fort Irwin Middle School and we'd see it every once in a while.
They're very cool and sound like nothing flying here in the west!
The video description is just *[Chef's Kiss]* perfect
Thanks Simon!
No imitation because making master of everything type vehicles is a waste of money. You wind up with an over armed, low capacity transport, or an attack helicopter with too much internal space.
yes and no. For the US there aren't that many times when a jack of all trades attack helicopter would make more sense then a mixed flight of attack and transport helicopters, but for smaller nations that can't fund their military to the lengths that the US can, a jack of all type could be far more useful considering they may otherwise be forced into either only transport or only attack helicopters.
The Soviet Union exporting Mi25's is a bit of a masterstroke, even if it's not necessarily the best airframe that the Soviet Union itself could have fielded.
Chi - Nukes...LOL sometimes you kill me, Whistler.
If there were a safe, comfortable place to keep your shins, you may call that place a “shin nook.” This is how we pronounce Chinook.
Great piece, enjoy your work!
"Perhaps a chinook could grip it by the husk"
3:09 The Russian clear put function over form. That is one ugly, badass, bug looking helicopter. Looks like something out of a kids cartoon with the intakes looking like eyes.
Good video 👍
In 1991 I went to on a European tour with my Dutch father. I still remember going through what had been East Germany. Other than noticing very old Farm equipment and crops that didn't look as good as West Germany with new often American Farming equipment and better looking crops. I noticed a old East German Soviet Air Base. It was full of old Aircraft especially Helicopters Hind included. They had picked them for parts and what wasn't Air worthy just was left behind.
Being in the Cavalry back in the 80s we feared this bad boy. I remember studying it and it was an all around everything chopper and it was at the time a hard chopper to put down.
I know it's not a side project, but on geographics, could you do Devils Tower? Please!
A Geographics, perhaps?
I remember seeing this helicopter in the 1986 movie Red Dawn!
How did they get footage of that chopper back then?
Another commenter said it was a flyworthy mock-up based on a SA330 Puma.
When you let rank and file design the corps insignia the nightstalker's insignia is what you get and it's sick.
I definitely enjoy these videos. Honestly I just wanna know where you get your shirts?
The nightstalkers basically sling loaded thatHind even though the weight was far in excess of the manufacturers specifications for the Chinook, but because they are the Nightstalkers manufacturer specifications , SOP and the Geneva Convention are just recommendations so hold my beer and watch this
After hearing you say this is one of the most daring military Heists ever im wondering what were soke others
Nice burn at 3:13
Do the "pave low" sometime por favor.
Great video 📹 hind /24/25
Shouldn't it have be a megaproject in its own merit?
Do one please
Soviet High Command to Gaddafi:
"Excuse me, your troops left *WHAT* in the desert?!"
Gaddafi:
"Oh don't worry, I've had them shot for their insolence."
SHC:
"THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT *THEY LEFT ONE OF OUR HELICOPTERS JUST FOR ANYONE TO PICK UP AND FLY AWAY WITH* !"
The only consistent reality of the Cold War for both sides; the smaller allies/customers ALWAYS lost the sensitive weaponry.
Honestly a list and summary of every time it happened could be pretty cool.
(the more ridiculous ones especially)
In the mid 90's , I was doing a desert exercise in El Paso called Roving Sands (worst deployment in my entire 20myr career as a Marine) and in the hanger next to our F/A-18D's were a bunch of Soviet/Russian helo's. I had seen MiG's in Bosnia and East Germany but never got close to a helo until then. Some Marines got to ride on the Mi-17 they had and then 2 of those Mi-24's came out of the hangar and started up, they looked pretty awesome but an odd thing I seen was the fact that I never seen them take straight off they always seem to take off like small jets, a rolling take off. Years later doing a publicity tour for former WARSAW PACT countries wanting to join NATO and got to the KA-50. Supposedly the Hind was the one used in Rambo 3 but I cant confirm or deny it.
I realize that this is answering a pretty old post, but I can shine a bit of light on the rolling takeoff - the real weakness of the Mi-24/25 design was that it was woefully underpowered in terms of power through the rotor system. If you look at pictures, you'll see that the winglets have a pretty high alpha (angle of attack/angle up). If I remember right (and this was from a familiarization about 30 years ago), at cruising speed, the wings actually provided around 30% of the lift required to keep the aircraft in the air. The pilots that flew them in for us said that they were almost impossible to hover, particularly at high elevations or on hot days.
So, I'm not surprised that they were doing rolling takeoffs.
And as an added tidbit, the Hind brought in for us to familiarize with had one cool feature that American helicopters still don't have: if you ding a rotor on an Apache or a Blackhawk, congrats: you now have an $80,000 paperweight. The Hind blades, on the other hand, were explicitly designed to allow maintenance crews to cut sections out of the rotor and then weld in completely new sections. A quick track and balance, and they'd be off to the races.
A completely different mindset, but I can't say it was wrong.
When I saw this helicopter in Rambo when I was a kid in the '80s I fell in love with it this is my favorite helicopter. Airwolf was my favorite but when I saw this helicopter to Russian one on Rambo airwolf became number two. And airwolf was a helicopter TV show from the '80s that was a bad ass helicopter it was like night Rider but a helicopter.
Props on the writer for that killer intro!
Chad bonked Libby down. Chad was not going to take it no more.
No story about the Nicaraguan pilot who stole a Hind to Honduras in the mid '80s to receive a million US dollars?
I remembered seeing it parked in a hanger at the Tegucigalpa airport around that time.
I can guess if there’s no similar helicopter only due to the fact that there’s no tensions for war with Russia or any other hind equipped powers
Mostly due to figuring out the Hind made for a nearly unmissable target.
I see a mi 24 and Rochester air port in kent apparently BAE was refitted it with Western equipment
Isn't that an Mi-24? 🤔
Mi-24s were domestic Soviet. Mi-25's were "export" versions.
"Only in AMERICA"
MI-24D with worse equipment was exported as MI-25.
Long ago now, sometime in the 1970's, a Cuban combat pilot defected to the USA, landing at an air base in southern Florida with his MiG. I don't remember the exact model anymore, but the U.S. was thrilled to get hold of one. They tore into it to examine and analyze before ultimately returning it to Cuba.
The avionics was full of electron tubes. They didn't learn much.
Homestead Air Force Base
you should do. a video on the nightstalkers
Shin nook not chin oook
Indigenous western Canadians word meaning warm wind
Sidenote, america got close to getting their own "hind".
Sikorsky made the s-67 with similar attributes and performance like the mi-24. And get this, the official name is "blackhawk".
But sadly the sole prototype crashed during a flight demo: helo made a barrel roll but it flew too low and hit the ground after the maneuver.
The blackhawk we know today had the name given to as a namesake.
A Hind D?! *Solid Snake Intensifies*
A Hind-D?! Colonel, what's a Russian gunship doing here?
Knew that was a Hind D from the thumbnail alone. MGS taught me well.
Virgin BTR heavy infantry tactics versus Chad desert cavalry tactics.
Only true legends will recall the applicable meme templates
Hey they left a lot of weapons when they pulled out,sound familiar 😆
I don't think the US wanted to replicate it Simon. They wanted to beat it. ❤🇺🇸
Its like an apache and a blackhawk combined.
Loved the hind scenes in Rambo!
Didn’t know we took one.
Wondering where it is now
Southern museum of flight in Birmingham, Alabama.
It was not stolen but paid to Chad gov. French got one of the 2, plus radar station and a SAM battery ,.... And most important they came with all the user manuals.
My favourite helicopter. The hind is awesome!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
until you turn too tight and it cuts it's own tail off or a stinger comes by!!!
So something that confused me. The Americans at the time were friendly with the Chadians. Why not just pay them a few million and tell them to retrieve the helicopter and bring it to the capital where the Americans could just pick it up?
The helicopter was located in a remote region nearly 200 miles from the nearest paved road. Only way to move it was heavy lift helicopters which they simply did not possess, or cut it into tiny pieces and destroy much of the intel the US wanted from it.
getting metal gear solid flashbacks watching this lol damn you liquid snake
Now... it's time for another snatch - Operation Rooster 53, when IDF snached an Egyptian radar.
your narrative is a bit off..the Apache and Cobra are not used in the same role as a Hind..nor is the Huey for that matter,there is no comparative version of a Hind helicopter in the West,the Hind is truly a hybrid design,and does not perform the role of an Apache nearly as effectively
Favorite military helicopter of ALL time. Badass.
More ads and discussion of ads than USA network TV and that is saying something
Aviation REGIMENT, not group.
Also, where are you getting your info? A CH-47 has a twin hook sling max weight of 27,000 lbs.
What a Chad move. Stealing a helicopter with a helicopter.
Nice!
Makes you wonder if the "heist" was a catalyst for the Libyan bombing of the Pan-Am flight? I'm sure it would've been around that sort of time?
Off tangent question, but anyone know where Simon got his shirt?
3:10 Wait, are root saying that there is a project that tried to be two things at the same time and succeeded in both??
0:00 - introduction
1:16 chapter one - Soviet foreign policy
2:22 chapter two - the The MI-24 hind
4:10 chapter three - specs
5:21 chapter four - green with envy
6:53 chapter five - Chadian & Libyan conflict
8:16 chapter six - the mission
12:26 chapter seven - post mission
They did S.T.E.A.L. it. As in Strategically Transition Equipment to Alternate Locations.
Just comprehend the power of this helicopter the modern CH4 is 10 tons empty the lifting hooks which are located One at both ends of the helicopter and one in the middle capable of lifting 10 tons theoretically the CH4 can lift it’s own body weight so it’s amazing how it lifted the hind cause most Russian helicopters are more than 10 tons
Used to be able to reasonably let play. Two hours of commercials on this one somehow.