Just found your channel Joe, Im a service plumber in South Orange County, I been running into a lot of leaks on hot UPONOR lines.... great information in your videos, I feel like ive seen you at Hirsch in Mission Viejo
Thank you for this information. I have polybutylene pipes in my home which so far have not leaked in their 27 years since installed. Would hate to repipe and end up in a worse situation.
Seems to me like the answer is to remove the chlorine or chloramine with the correct whole house filter first, then run PEX-A or PEX-B to the rest of the house. This would also make your ion exchange water softener happy, if you are using one!
This is the solution. You get cleaner drinking water, less mold/mildew growth on faucets/sinks/tubs/toilets AND it protects your Pex. Now to only choose a high enough flow for residential sprinklers....
@@LincolnLog -- I have a 3M Aqua-Pure Whole House filter (AP903 base with a AP917HD filter) that does a great job and last an entire year. However, I only have chlorine in my city water and no chloramine to remove. Also, my outside faucets get direct city water and don't go through the 3M filter.
@@rpsmith so the concern for you id with the hose bib pex in your home? We are also having a separate meter installed for sprinklers and hose bibs but the concern is the pex in will be a headache down the line
@@LincolnLog -- I think the main problem with PEX-A is chloramine and I'm not dealing with that. My city water only has chlorine in it and I'm not seeing any problems or discoloration after several years of use. However, my 3M filter has no problems with flow and is rated for around 100,000 gallons as I recall. So you could filter even your outside water if you wanted to but you might need to replace the filter a little more often.
The bust test I’ve seen all show uphonor is the most bust prone of all the pex. Actually shark bite pipe was the one that held longer that any of them. And the expansion fittings pipe aka pex a is the least reliable. Peace doesn’t like being stretched.
Thanks for these videos. You’re the only one sounding the alarm on this. I plan on doing my own repipe as part of a larger home renovation. Have PB pipes currently. With the Uponor and Zurn issues, what brand do you recommend at this point? Initially had my heart set on Zurn, but Uponor seems to be easier to find at my local plumbing stores. And now with the Zurn issues you’ve mentioned, I’m questioning if it matters. I’ve seen Sharkbite brand pipe is the most chlorine resistant. I’m a little leery of big box brands though. Does adding a whole house filter help prevent chlorine/chloramine degradation? Thanks again for these videos.
No doubt a repiper like Joe has seen a lot of pipe failures. Haven't heard of issues with chlorine or fittings with Zurn, except in extreme cold, the installation area or pipe needs to be warmed up. That seems to be a small added step for an install. I am not a pro plumber, but the Zurn expansion pipe seems to be a tuff product.
Hi Joe, I had a repipe done in May with the Uponor Pex A, mostly white pipe. However Contractor did some stub outs in blue and red. Is all uponor pipe made to withstand chlorine, material rating of 5XXX? I can't seem to find the material number on the pipe...
Have you seen this problem on the white pipe? My understanding is the color is added to the red and blue pipes after exposing white pipe to UV and radiation so it will adhere. Any chance there's an issue with chlorine concentrations?
Hi John -Del. Please watch my other videos when you get time you will see Red, White and Blue all fail also Breakpoint Chlorination impact on Uponor Pex A.
This is the hot water pipe, since the maximum temperature this pipe can hold is 90 degree, a mixer should be used after the hot water tank. This might caused by high water temperature
I find most leaks are from improper handling or bad install. I do believe I’ve heard you teach expansion fittings can be used on crimp pipe. I’m sorry but that alone kills your credibility. Your pipe is stored outside or you used the wrong something. Your worse than my guys. The hardest obstacle in training is the ego. They won’t open their minds either. I’m the guy that make gimmicks do as they are designed to do. I don’t have specific brands. I do as the manufacture suggests and 22 years in the plumbing service side. Not a green horn or a new construction. I see the old shit that fails. So far 22 years using pex. Had 1 fitting pop off. Helper used a piece of 3/4 pipe for 1/2 collar by mistake. Fitting popped off after 8 hours. That’s 1 time I’ve seen pex fail.
Just found your channel Joe, Im a service plumber in South Orange County, I been running into a lot of leaks on hot UPONOR lines.... great information in your videos, I feel like ive seen you at Hirsch in Mission Viejo
Hi Plumbing Explained. I checked you guys out and it is great work. I hope to speak with you face to face someday.
Thank you for this information. I have polybutylene pipes in my home which so far have not leaked in their 27 years since installed. Would hate to repipe and end up in a worse situation.
I like your videos. I find the negative reviews of pex pipes more interesting than watching the positive reviews...
Seems to me like the answer is to remove the chlorine or chloramine with the correct whole house filter first, then run PEX-A or PEX-B to the rest of the house. This would also make your ion exchange water softener happy, if you are using one!
This is the solution. You get cleaner drinking water, less mold/mildew growth on faucets/sinks/tubs/toilets AND it protects your Pex. Now to only choose a high enough flow for residential sprinklers....
@@LincolnLog -- I have a 3M Aqua-Pure Whole House filter (AP903 base with a AP917HD filter) that does a great job and last an entire year. However, I only have chlorine in my city water and no chloramine to remove. Also, my outside faucets get direct city water and don't go through the 3M filter.
@@rpsmith so the concern for you id with the hose bib pex in your home? We are also having a separate meter installed for sprinklers and hose bibs but the concern is the pex in will be a headache down the line
@@LincolnLog -- I think the main problem with PEX-A is chloramine and I'm not dealing with that. My city water only has chlorine in it and I'm not seeing any problems or discoloration after several years of use. However, my 3M filter has no problems with flow and is rated for around 100,000 gallons as I recall. So you could filter even your outside water if you wanted to but you might need to replace the filter a little more often.
The bust test I’ve seen all show uphonor is the most bust prone of all the pex. Actually shark bite pipe was the one that held longer that any of them. And the expansion fittings pipe aka pex a is the least reliable. Peace doesn’t like being stretched.
Thanks for these videos. You’re the only one sounding the alarm on this.
I plan on doing my own repipe as part of a larger home renovation. Have PB pipes currently.
With the Uponor and Zurn issues, what brand do you recommend at this point? Initially had my heart set on Zurn, but Uponor seems to be easier to find at my local plumbing stores. And now with the Zurn issues you’ve mentioned, I’m questioning if it matters.
I’ve seen Sharkbite brand pipe is the most chlorine resistant. I’m a little leery of big box brands though.
Does adding a whole house filter help prevent chlorine/chloramine degradation?
Thanks again for these videos.
Fitting failures are the problem with Sharkbite.
@@ChromeLuxx That is also what I have seen, fitting failures. I have never used Sharkbite Pipe and I am sure I never will.
No doubt a repiper like Joe has seen a lot of pipe failures. Haven't heard of issues with chlorine or fittings with Zurn, except in extreme cold, the installation area or pipe needs to be warmed up. That seems to be a small added step for an install. I am not a pro plumber, but the Zurn expansion pipe seems to be a tuff product.
@@ChromeLuxx You are referring to the push-on fittings, not the crimp type, correct? I totally agree about failure with the push-on type.
Hi Joe, I had a repipe done in May with the Uponor Pex A, mostly white pipe. However Contractor did some stub outs in blue and red. Is all uponor pipe made to withstand chlorine, material rating of 5XXX? I can't seem to find the material number on the pipe...
I am going to do a new vedio about this subject. hopefully it will help.
Have you seen this problem on the white pipe? My understanding is the color is added to the red and blue pipes after exposing white pipe to UV and radiation so it will adhere. Any chance there's an issue with chlorine concentrations?
Hi John -Del. Please watch my other videos when you get time you will see Red, White and Blue all fail also Breakpoint Chlorination impact on Uponor Pex A.
@@IntegrityRepipeInc Thanks Joe, I thought I saw them all!!
This is the hot water pipe, since the maximum temperature this pipe can hold is 90 degree, a mixer should be used after the hot water tank. This might caused by high water temperature
Correct, or stop using the cheaper product and use type L copper
@@plumbnplumber You should take the time to watch my L type Copper Poisoning video. You might find it interesting.
what do you think about Rehau PEX?
I do not usr Rehau and I probable never will. Sorry
I find most leaks are from improper handling or bad install. I do believe I’ve heard you teach expansion fittings can be used on crimp pipe. I’m sorry but that alone kills your credibility. Your pipe is stored outside or you used the wrong something. Your worse than my guys. The hardest obstacle in training is the ego. They won’t open their minds either. I’m the guy that make gimmicks do as they are designed to do. I don’t have specific brands. I do as the manufacture suggests and 22 years in the plumbing service side. Not a green horn or a new construction. I see the old shit that fails. So far 22 years using pex. Had 1 fitting pop off. Helper used a piece of 3/4 pipe for 1/2 collar by mistake. Fitting popped off after 8 hours. That’s 1 time I’ve seen pex fail.