First, you covered no country for old men. My favorite movie of all time. Now you cover blade runner 2049, my second favorite movie of all time. I think I love this channel.
I guess I really do need to give this a look as I personally put _There Will Be Blood_ at or above _No Country_ and putting 2049 above that seems dubious. But Again I haven’t seen it. That said when you get to this level of filmmaking rankings do kinda start to feel superfluous.
Disagree partially with the end. We do need to end simp behavior but at the same time get rid of this nonsense that u have to be masculine all the time. The truth is just be urself and society does need to be more accepting to that. U dont need to be "masculine" whatever that truly even means. And simping isnt cuz ur not "masculine" its more due to self esteem issues unless u tie masculine with having self worth, which is just silly.
From the US, I work at a local college. My favorite student this last semester wrote a paper on this very subject. I think this is a problem that more and more people are coming to realize IS a problem. I barely use social media myself (YT being the possible exception) and I thank god social media wasn't a thing when I was growing up. People who spend excessive time on social media have heightened anxiety, depression, can lead to radicalized thoughts and opinions. I heard this term somewhere, "information hygiene" and I think it is something people need to seriously consider exercising. Instead of letting junk information infiltrate your psyche, form your own opinions and principles, don't let social media take that from you. TL;DR: this is a serious problem, and I think we will have an entire generation of people who are going to be fundamentally crippled because they let social media control far too much of their life.
I agree. Its easy to get radicalized on the internet. Many times i find myself going that route but then go outside n realize its not like how the internet portrays the world. Im strong enough to stay grounded but can see how weaker minds get lost on the internet.
@@sofaezez6608these pretentious Sigma male video essayists are the most annoying crop of videos on RUclips, these dumbf**** think they're some kinds of philosophers who know the wrongs of today's society very clearly, while rehashing the same points that millions of other other youtubers churn out every day
It was, she wanted to give him a away to physically touch her and vice-versa. She wanted to be intimate with him but couldn't so she chose the next best thing. K, on the other hand, was fine how she was but gave in because it was what Joi wanted, the thing he's been trying to push for her to do(do what she wants) their whole relationship.
I will say, I don’t think that the best motivation to stop social media addiction is how much money you could have made if you were working a lifeless minimum wage job. Id prefer to look to community, progress, education, art, and other things, to motivated me to stop abusing my phone. I think technology is good and improves our lives and meaning, but only when used correctly. The ones in control of technology simply use it to control and to make money, so it is mostly a detriment. But technology itself isn’t the problem. Great video though
This essay can easily apply to Her, starring Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlet Johansson, where the movie directly speaks of human needs and attachment. Phoenix’s Theodore Twombly, on the verge of divorce, struck a relationship with an AI OS called Samantha. The two even have a proxy sexual encounter as Samantha wants to make Theodore feel her in a physical form. If you have yet to watch it, I recommend it and maybe make another video essay comparing the two.
I’ve been feeling all of this in my head thinking there was no explanation for it and that I was the only one with these thoughts. Thank you for putting this out there, it helps boost my mental health to know I’m not alone with this problem
I hope you get more subscribers soon, your channel is starting off with some great subject matter... Anton Chigurgh (No Country for Old Men), Joi (Blade Runner 2049), 2 of my favorite movies of all time.Excellent.
@@sder Probably the most terrifying 'bad guy' to ever land on screen is 'Frank' played by Dennis Hopper in the film Blue Velvet, not sure if you've seen it, he's straight out of your worst nightmares. Good luck buddy!
Glad to see someone is talking about this very same thing. Everyone I know who had seen 2049 they don't get it at all and it scares me. Lop and the ad before this video was for replika take that as you will.
The future seen in the Blade Runner universe can certainly make us appreciate our natural satisfactions even more. Thank you very much for this video. 👍🏻
While I agree with a lot of your overarching points in this video I think using Joi as an anology misses the point. I might be wrong in my interpretation of what she means, and there is a chance you are right. But what I think Joi is supposed to do is challenge the way K's sees himself being created and programmed as not being human. In the start of the movie K sees himself as a tool made to do a job. He obviously loves Joi because she is the only "real" emotional connection he has and sees himself deserving of. And the way Joi is portrayed makes her very easy to like as a viewer as well which portrays something we long to have, the simple dopamine from quick and easy satisfaction. Which is the one place I think your interpretations hits home. But for K as the movie goes on and he starts thinking that he is the android that was birthed he starts thinking of himself as more human, "to be born is to have a soul I guess". Giving him the name "Joe" is just a foreshadowing of his insignificance in the grand scheme of things. And when we as a viewer and K finds out Joe is Joi's standard naming convention and how her personality and likability is completely programmed it removes the genuineness of her affection. And K's realization of this is the thought that finally lets him see himself as not just a tool create to do a job like she is, but a thinking being with the freedom to do the things that he feel is right. The largest theme of the movie is the distinction between what is real and what is artificial. But I think the rest of the world as it is portrayed is more in line with your arguments here. The flashing lights, the easy quick gratifications of the corporate world. There is obviously parts of Joi that does the same thing, but that's not the narrative her inclusion in the movie is meant to convey. Interesting video none the less, and an interesting topic to discuss. Hope I got my point across in a somewhat understandable way. And once again this is just my interpretation and I might be wrong.
I've seen a lot of your videos, and this one stands out as a vid where the viewer not only receives your analysis and view of the topic, but actual advice and guidance.
That’s why I like RUclips, I can put on a video and listen while doing something else like cook or clean or work out. But a lot of my time is spent towards my one year old and my teen stepson. iPhones are good at telling you how much you’re spending on what apps and when, thru screen time or thru the battery settings. It is eye opening to see how much time I spend texting tho, I hate talking on the phone and I spend at least 45min to 1hr simple using the texting app. I only use social media one day a month. Now that being said, I do spend probably 10-20 hours a week gaming. Usually on my steam deck while laying in bed to get sleepy, during times when my daughter is napping, during times when the family is watching a movie I don’t like (any of the Fast and Furious movies). Putting down social media really helped a lot when it comes to how happy I am with what I have and where I am in life and how I look or how often or unoften I leave my house to see friends or what we do when we do go out.
Great video! You have a great, poetic way of writing and there were some very thought provoking ideas that you presented. The idea of the idealized manufactured woman is an issue that I've notice for a while but you put it into words better than I could have. So many people in society nowadays are caught up looking for the "ideal" relationship, but are so numb to dopamine from social media that their expectations are incredibly unrealistic. Joi from Blade Runner is a great example of this. I'd also bring up the prevalence of parasocial relationships towards influencers that's been rising the in past few years: people "simping" over streamers and feeling emotional attachment to the stranger behind their screen. However, I do have to partially disagree with you in the last section of the video. I don't think this is an issue specific to men (though it may be more common), and therefore I don't think traditional masculinity is necessarily the _only_ solution to the problem. What will help is the other point you made: taking on *responsibility* in one's life. It is true for both men and women that taking on responsibility, finding something valuable in their lives that they can commit to long-term is going to help aid them. Not so much whether they abide by the traditional definition of masculinity/femininity or not. Either way, I really enjoyed your video and thought I might help boost your engagement with this comment. I hope you find some value out of what I've written here. Keep up the great content!
I gotta say, it's a pleasure finding your channel. your reviews are not some derivative high thinking bullshit that could be regurgitated by any critique. All I see and hear are the honest opinions of a man who loves movies. Even if some of your opinions may not align with my own, I can still respect them and listen to them wholeheartedly because you're not talking down to anyone. Gotta say I'm finding more and more youtube channels with less than 10k subscribers that I enjoy watching more than anyone of my other big-name subscribed channels
when I look "matrix" or "truman show" ... There was surrealist. Now, it's real. You follow many star of cinema, sports, politics,... You have an iphone with mail, case, bank service, supermarket service,... they was crazy idea. Today Matrix and Truman is real. When you look blade runner 2049, how don't be afraid or sad for future !
Joy will never badmouth you to your friends and family, Neither take pleasure in ruining your reputation, nor treat you like a walking ATM whose value lies solely in providing money and status to the recipient of love, or constantly manipulate you for making sure you are psychologically and physically fit to provide through endless, humiliating mind games; neither ensure that the rest of your life will be miserable away from your children. That's how you know for sure that she's not real. Reality is not a movie and free will is an illusion for all parties. Oh the future is uncertain but there is hope
Thankful RUclips recommends your channel, great opening and edits on your video. really hooked me on to watch it entirely, cant wait to see what else you will be uploading. :)
The value comes to those who can see without being seen. Humanity is a resource above all else. Beliefs are always limited to perception and can never carry an undeniable truth.
I'm sure most young people will come to the conclusion they can't just click on a real relationship. Get a hobby, do a sport, join or start a labor union, meet some people. Corporations are always going to push whatever will sell. Welcome to capitalism in the 21st century.
Not all men are meant to be masculine or strong. And who cares about well spoken.. ol Elliot Rodgers over here banging on with his supreme gentleman bs. Yes society is doomed, but it's idiot wannabe alpha males destroying it, not dudes comfortable enough in their own skin to appear weak or feminine. Sure they can be annoying, but they aint working people to their graves an leaving with a bag. Hopefully one day you'll be able to see the real issues and causes of them in society. But not if you continue to beat on the first minority you're told is the problem..
Every new technology has its dangers. However, I believe that our values adapt to these circumstances. People always create their own nature and then unfortunately leave behind those who are still stuck in "the old ways". It would be best not to judge these men for not coming to terms with these changes. But the cult of tradition is not the answer to these problems, it needs new answers to our challenges, in my opinion. Best wishes!
The masculinity & femininity stuff comes out of left field. If it were a graded essay you would totally get ???'s for just having that totally unsupported stuff. There's lots that is interesting to learn about regarding that in sociology, would definitely recommend. Alternative (non-hegemonic) masculinity is something I believe is a force for positive change; vulnerability and sincerity in place of "being a man" or repressing emotions seems much better to me.
Right? I found it incredibly jarring and unsubstantiated. Also, I didn't like the opening where he says we are being brainwashed to enjoy certain types of media but falls straight into the capitalist brainwashing that we could have been doing something "valuable" like working. Like my time is valuable to me. That's why I sell it to others for money. That doesn't mean work is valuable.
I agree with about 75% of the video because it is true that people nowadays are disconnected and are constantly seeking more validation; but there is a line. There's a point where its not a change in the youth and that they should be more like the past its just evolution and the actual change of the world and culture. Like how young men are less masculine, they are less of the "old" traditional masculinity but that's a sign that masculinity and culture are changing as we evolve. I love the video though and the editing is top teir.
@@sder Acknowledging that is a point of decent argumentative and philosophical intelligence. I appreciate that. Now I know the reason I can watch your channel is because you're observant enough to grasp the idea of what you're talking about.
Most people in the USA will generally work about 8.5 to 9 hours a day and sleep for about 8 hours. That's 17 hours of the day gone. Before work you'll spend maybe an hour getting ready, eating breakfast, commuting, etc. After work you'll spend maybe 2 hours doing things like grocery shopping, laundry, paying bills, cooking/eating dinner, showering, going to the gym, etc. That's 20 hours of your typical weekday gone. You're suggesting that people should spend these remaining 4 hours working? And for what, an extra 20k a year after taxes? That's chump change. We're not really going to be able to enjoy this additional money we're making because we're spending the vast majority of our time working. Maybe we should put the extra money into savings for our retirement? That's a great idea. Now you can set yourself up for a much easier retirement only to die at the age of 67, a year or two before you're actually able to retire. This is exactly what the 1% want from you. Spend your entire life slaving away for low wages while they reap all the benefits. You're right about one thing; time is the most valuable thing that you have. So I suggest you spend your 4 hours a day doing whatever it is that will bring you the most joy and happiness you can reasonably expect to find within your means. This 4 hours a day of bliss is actually the entire point of working in the first place, because without it you're already dead anyway.
The best and most important RUclips video I've ever seen. All talking about my favorite movie ever. Everything you said in this video is spot on. Definitely ringing that bell
Excellent video, love Lewis, the Ransom Trilogy, and your take. I think the root of all human evil is seeking "good" things in the place of the best thing. Favoring the gifts over the giver. We can get alot of what our flesh wants these days, but what we need is not something we can simply grasp or pay for.
Great channel. And, yes, your movie reviews are terrific. But there's something much more important going on here. It's your observations about contemporary life via the cinema that makes you both an important and necessary voice in today's culture.
Most People will agree with this video, seeing the flaws of their actions and the negative effect artificial dopamine has on them and society, but in the split second of clarity will return to what they have deemed the start of the fall of humanity, to scroll.
W video, our world today is so deep in the fake and simulated, that sometimes it feels like we’re on a one way track. technology keeps getting more complex just to make us stupider and dependent on it to the point where we’re like pseudo-cyborgs. i hate the fact that i can see all this around me yet im deep in it as well. and even though some people think the conclusion to this video was borderline sacrilege i think its a great message that other men and i need to adopt.
I sometimes see people trying to conjure a romance between K and Joi saying that Joi ordering Mariette to K's apartment for sex is a sign she is independent, and thus her love for K is real. The problem is I note about Joi's initiative to invite Mariette to act as her/its proxy to have sex with K is that it happens after K comes to believe that he is real. Born, not made. Maybe she/it calculates that armed with this knowledge he wont be satisfied with his artificial incorporeal girlfriend anymore. He might seek a real relationship with a real girl and discard her/it. No more consumption. No more upgrades. No more corporate profits. We already know he questions the authenticity of her "love" ("You don't have to say that"). To keep his attention like she is designed to do, she has to raise the stakes and she uses Mariette to do so. Even apart from that, it's incredibly creepy/controlling for your significant other to hire sex workers to sleep with you. It's another indicator for me of a simulation struggling and failing to mimic human behaviour. When we first meet Joi, its striking how shallow the simulation is - she has a few rote lines ("was a day", "did you know this song was first released in XXXX", etc) and flips almost chaotically from one strategy to another to keep his attention - 50's housewife/read to me/lets dance - but she doesn't know if it's their anniversary, and there is the subtle nagging about getting cabin fever (buy the upgrade!). Joi is a vampire - K's relationship with her/it is actually a bit of a dystopian horror as opposed to a romance, no matter how pretty Ana de Armas is.
@@GAMEPLAY-zw1gi Honestly, I think its down to the actress playing the character. If Joi was played by Kathy Bates from the movie Misery, there would be far less people trying to pretend Joi was "real".
You probably missed or forgot this, but she hired a prostitute because he told her he wanted her to have more agency and do what she wanted. She wanted to take their relationship further. She chose that for herself. She wasn't being manipulative. She was being genuine. Making her own decision to do something she otherwise couldn't.
I think you miss the main point here, you keep seeing K as a human but it was an artificial being too, just like Joi, born to be a slave with fake memories, in a sense, he was programmed to be like that Imo all the relationship with K and Joi was a Parallel to the old Deckard/Rachel relationship, as we can see later in the movie, Deckard is in the exact same situation with that copy of Rachel And the original Rachel from the first movie was a copy of Tyrell's niece, so in the end it's always the same question, do androids dreams of electric sheeps?
@@Esodulg I don't think I described K as human - though he is clearly presented as the protagonist, and we (the humans) are supposed to identify with him and his journey throughout the movie. I talked about Joi and her/its inept attempts to simulate a romantic relationship with its target audience - K. K could be "born, not made" or just "made". Either way, he was a consumer of the Joi girlfriend experience product. The Joi program may simply have kicked up a gear in its tactics to absorb his time/wallet when it considered it was dealing with a potential human. It doesn't alter the nature of the consumer-product relationship. There are differences with K/Joi and Deckard/Rachel. Initially, K and Joi know they are made, not born. It is a consumer-product relationship. K bought Joi, to serve as a facsimile of a human experience in his otherwise empty existence outside of his job. If K hadn't bought Joi off the shelf, she wouldn't exist. She exists only because K paid for her to serve his needs. She is a slave. If he ever grows bored with her, her existence ends. Deckard and Rachel initially both believe they are born, not made. They met each other through the course of their otherwise ongoing existence. Rachel has no particular imperative to seduce Deckard in the same way Joi - a girlfriend experience product - has to seduce K, the consumer who paid for that girlfriend experience. Its a key difference in the two relationships. Joi was literally designed by a corporation to extract money from lonely, desperate wallets - no matter if the wallet was controlled by a human or an android. Rachel is artificial too, but she was designed to push the envelope on an artificial being passing as human, to attempt to fool even a bladerunner. To be plausible, the design would have to ensure it/she didn't fall in love with the first human male she saw. If the film intended for Joi to be shown to be independent and self-aware, it would most logically be shown by Joi rebelling against her design and *not* being in love with K. In the same way the replicants rebel against their design as slaves. In the same way K rebels against his design as a hunter of his own kind. The replicants - K, his targets, his allies, Rachel, Batty and his allies - demonstrate a higher order of awareness outside their design that the Joi program does not. They 're both artificial, but its not the same. I think the movie even shows this - Deckard knows the difference between *his* Rachel, and the copy he is presented with. Whereas the grim sadness of K is even after *his* Joi is "dead", he knows he can get the same level of intimacy with a new Joi product who calls him "a good Joe". The very same name *his* Joi announced for him when thinking he was "born, not made". The horror of that moment is he knows he can go to the store right then and get the same Joi girlfriend experience back. The triumph is he rejects it and grows.
Sadly, women don't want you to talk to them unless somehow you have been affirmed to them through some intermediary. So it's a vicious cycle which breaks us down. Even if you go to a church, the people may not be friendly. They may not care about you because everyone is really just showing up to watch a performance
Great video, but I want to speak my mind on one thing. I don't think it matters whether men are masculine or feminine and I also don't think it matters if women is feminine or masculine. I think the true problem is that people will only look for the easiest way out of every situation and online entertainment is the easiest for of satisfing ones needs even if it doesn't work long term. Almost every problem in todays society comes out of looking for the easiest way or desperation (usually for the feeling of control), but I will only limit this comment to the topic of the video. With that said, I mostly agree with the rest of the video, keep up the good work, you make great content.
I think you miss the point of joi. Joi like officer k and other replicates could have developed genuine feeling. You see joi and k at odd eventually convinceing k to delete her in the home system and keep her only in the pocket hologram. Also i see the sex scenes as joi wanted to have the physical relationship wanting to be more then just a hologram, but also all that could have been part of her programming so was it genuine after all? I think this is the greater question it poses. Its a reach to makes it about social media, over stimulation, and men. It about robots having feeling, and move over the human condition.
Also k wasn't isolated after joi's program was destroyed. Literally in the next scene he was recruited to fight a revolution for replicates like him. He had decker and choses not to kill him and rather take him to see his daughter and die.
Honestly Joe's relationship with joi was as healthy one, well healthy for a robot and hologram could get. This isn't to say I think hologram gf Is a good idea and a replacement irl, that isn't the point of the movie either.
I agree, the guy missed the point. He thought he made his "instant gratification" hypothesis work by forcing K/ Joe to be solely an archetype for "average organic human being" or "human average Joe". It's too narrow an interpretation. Even faulty. Since K was in fact a replicant(!) in the end. Meaning, he was an AI, like Joi - one inhabited a synthetic humanoid body, the other presented itself mostly as a hologram, fed from a hardware station. Both Joi and K learned to steadily disobey their machine programming. The author of this analysis had to carve one huge (and decisive) layer of the film out to make it all about a warning of short-term digital dopamine shots and the soon to come hedonistic dystopian nightmare of Only Fans sex robots... (and while that criticism is much needed, no question, Bladerunner 2049 isn't the particular piece of art you need to make your case.) Although you can see that dystopian system in Bladerunner 2049 - it remains in the background. Something much more sublime and tremendous is under discussion in this movie...
You had a good analysis till the last part. The comparison to modern man versus what they used to is off. You’re holding it to a conservative Christian standard of traditional masculinity when in reality, the adaptation for men to be emotionally available and socially intuitive is not a bad thing. These are traits you deem as feminine where the reality of a traditional man with traditional masculine traits is not valued by modern women, women are not brainwashed into thinking thats what a man is. Lastly men are conditioned not to love or touch other men. Not even from a homosexual point of view. Simply as human. Men are CONDITIONED not to show intimacy with their friends. This causing a spiral of loneliness. Because a women shouldn’t be the only thing that supports a man emotionally
You’re both right and wrong. YES, masculinity SHOULD evolve to allow more emotion and inner thoughts etc to women, BUT if you have ever cried, or shown weakness or utter vulnerability before a woman who you would say you utterly trust, only to then have it used against you, you would understand. This has happened to the majority of men. You keep harping on about being CONDITIONED to this and that, well, women must be CONDITIONED to be put off by vulnerability in a man? Is that true? I don’t think so. It’s basic physiological biology, women, like men, have software programmed into them at the inner most level, and you can try CONDITIONAL or UNCONDITIONAL methods to determine if this can be changed…. At best, it’s hidden by the majority of people who do not wish to intentionally hurt their partner/friend/whatever. But women telling men to act like women emotionally, then when we do, they are put off by it, whether they mean to be or not, speaks volumes. Watch and listen to what people DO, not what they SAY.
@@jayboy2kay7 I agree. What our friend is saying here is correct but it's idealistic. At the end of the day, you need to appeal to the biochemistry of women and men in order to not get hurt in life.
Joy is also the only one that can love him. He doesn't have any friends or family. He doesn't have an identity and he's so beaten down. He doesn't even think that he has a soul because he's not natural born. So he's just a puppet a golem of his Masters. Enjoy is the only one that tells him he's a somebody. Even if he's not a somebody to anybody, he's a somebody to her so she names him. Joe. Only later on to find out that that is just part of the program
While I do agree that one should be confident in themselves and strive to be better. I feel as if the definition of "manly" or "masculine" is blurred these days. In my personal opinion it should be seen less of a physical what you look like or "should" look like but how healthy your mindset should be. In my eyes a true man is one who is compassionate, confident, caring, all the good traits a person should have. Not that one person is expected to be all of this to be manly of course. I believe trying to convince others than being a man means a specific look rather than mindset should be strayed away from. Just because one has girlish clothing or wants to identify as a female does not (in my opinion) make someone less manly, If anything to me it shows their true manliness by accepting and admitting who they are and who they want to be. In my opinion I believe these quick shots of dopamine are very unhealthy (I will admit I do the same plenty) however I do not believe we should say things such as technology is nessecarily bad. I like video games, they are my passion. Being electronic and artificial does that make it any different than say a book? a book is just paper and ink afterall while video games are just circuts and electronics. Things such as constantly browsing tiktok and watching pornographic content (to an unhealthy extent) I do agree should be considered bad. But whether or not the video is or is not saying technology bad I feel as if we should figure out the lines of which we should not cross, especially in saying how MUCH of these are bad. It is not inherantly bad to scroll through tiktok and other similar sites but doing them to an extent of what is borderline addiction should be the line. Similar to alchohol or marijuana. They aren't on the surface THAT bad for you in moderation, it's when you get addiction and hooked does it start to become a problem I am unsure if anything I said here even makes sense within the context of the video, debating and situations like this are not my strong suit. However this video was well made and though provoking so I felt as if I had to share opinions on topics such as this. Especially as someone who has issues with quick dopamine hits rather than working towards what I believe to be more important
I dont read. Not because i cant, but because video conveys ideas 1000x better. But he's right, it is boring. And the only reason anyone ever read is because they didnt have a better alternative. Theres no shame in admitting you dont read, as long as you are learning somehow
I was really into the video and the perspective to quit porn and dopamine but as a gay guy it’s harder to buy into the idea that to make my life better I should be harboring romantic relationships with real women. And then you really lost me with the whole red pill men are weak and need to masculine thing at the end 😢. Other than that a good video
The opening of this "every hour you are on the phone is time you could be working" is a terrible and borderline dystopian stance to take. Human beings (and indeed the brain) needs down time. One of my favorite facts from a documentary about astronauts on Mir in the 90s was that many would expect to take up weighty and worthy epics like War And Peace. But the reality was that they crazed gossip mags. We all seem to need "trash time". But obviously need to check that our lives aren't being consumed by it.
This video comes off very "kids these days" to me. I get what you're saying but attempting to quantify whether it not somethings worth doing by saying "hey imagine if you worked instead of doing something for leisure" slowly inches you towards Tate territory. Also sex has been commodified for as long if not longer than it has been an expression of love.
I take issue with this, and I'm not gonna go into intense detail as to why I don't think this works, but Joe not even being a real human, and being an artificial slave makes all of this fall apart, as far as I'm concerned. I never made these kinds of connections because I never even viewed him as human, because he's not. Joi isn't a good representation of a human woman, because she is not that, either. Just these two points alone makes all of this fall apart, as far as I'm concerned. Joe can't be representative of "the every-man" because he, himself, isn't a real man... I'll stop there. I do love this movie, though. It does have lessons to teach. I'll agree there, for sure. To me, one is should we even attempt to create artificial people, at all. Now THAT I'm not so sure of. We're better off just making machines to do things for us, that aren't living, breathing entities. Man, I love me some Blade Runner. I'm also bothered by the idea that every man wants a woman. Regardless of whether you're being hyperbolic or not, that's simply not true. Every woman doesn't want a man. Some of them don't even feel like what they biologicaly are. I'm not even gonna go into my others issues with this... Good grief...
yeah i agree. the video on Anton Chigurh was excellent but this video for me just goes into Soder's psyche and how easily the bigoted view of Jordan Peterson's type spreads throughout young men these days. it's fucking sad. those views are literally destroying the lives of the LGBTQ community
Ok, this is weird. I'm seeing the thing saying there's two replies, but I can't actually view them... 🤨 And I know I saw the first few words of one a while back. I think it was from Soder. I kinda wanna actually read that. Did you remove your own reply? When it showed up originally I tapped on it, and even then couldn't see it.
@@chuckclark3214he probably hid my reply. it was about the mentality of Soder on this topic and how it related to Jordan Peterson style thinking and how it's seriously damaging the LGBTQ community
I see a lot of comments saying “the ending here was out of left field” or words to that effect. I completely disagree, OP is right… the rest is cope. Ironically we are all posting views on a video on loneliness on a social platform. That speaks volumes alone.
The irony you point out is reflective of the first part of the video, with which everyone agrees, not the latter. It’s one thing to disagree but you should at least try and argue your point
I think Her vs Bladerunner 2049 would make more sense here since K isn’t human so him having a non human girlfriend makes sense. But in Her, Joaquin Phoenixs character was human and formed a relationship with an AI while shutting out other humans. Idk just a thought.
you had me until the weird "men these days are weak" shit at the end. I don't think the loosening of traditional and outdated values is in any way related to the topic you discussed. The rest of the video was awesome man. I came here from your No Country For Old Men video which was great too.
Yeah, that was the fastest sub to unsub I have ever had. I loved the No Country video, watched this one, and then the ending was just so bizarre and tangential. It felt like I stumbled into a weird sigma male thing. It made me feel like I couldn't trust the rest of the content on display. Especially when so little of what he says has sources. Like people hating reading. Book sales are pretty fucking high for a society that can't read.
The end remarks feel really off. The fact you present men being asked to be more feminine by society, a very questionable view of the topic, as a bad thing, is interesting. What we attribute as "feminine" traits are often just the traits of a well balanced person, but since we tend to make ourselves an idealized version of what is a woman, and are all but too lucid on our own flaws as men, we attach positive traits to femininity that we should be excluded from. How is being open about your emotions less manly? How is caring more about your appearance less manly? How is being more socially open and emotionally available less manly? Truth is it’s not. It’s just what all humans should have, regardless of genitals. I want to talk a bit about what "being masculine" can be like by shortly talking about my grandfather. I won’t get into the details but he was all some idealize: skilled craftsman, earned money, owned a house, had a wife and kids, was stoic and strong, and he was the most miserable bastard to walk this earth, and by proxy made his family miserable, and it all had to do with the exact same flaws you describe in "today’s men". He was controlled by artificial satisfaction and hollow social interaction, and he was in many ways comparable to the "modern man". My point is: living healthier, more fulfilling lives, is not going to be derived from masculinity or a return to tradition. Men have always been lonely, and Social media is just piling onto an already existing problem. And finally, to close this, I really dislike the way women are adressed in the video. I get it, it’s a video essay about the loneliness of modern men, which is an issue about men (duh) that is different from those faced by women, and there is no reason to make the video about women. However, there is still a problem in the way you talk about them. You talk about fixing humanity through fixing men as if they’re the only actors in the species. They’re not just another commodity, a goal to be achieved and gained, something you seem to unwillingly imply, they’re people just as complex and with their own issue, and not required for male happiness. It’s true modern society has fucked up the social interactions between men and women, but it has done the same between men and men. As a matter of fact partners are not a cure to making your life better but rather a ""reward"" or rather something that comes with improving your own life. In addition, conditioning your happiness to a person who’s needs wants and very personality can change is dangerous, just as dangerous as putting that happiness in the hands of artificial dopamine rushes. Yeah, good video, kinda crashed the landing
You seem young and earnest, and that's good, but the story is somewhat darker than you yet realize. The epic hero isn't going to get us out of our current predicament.
If an AI companion was design specifically "to love" it's user, is its "love" would be real or fake? If a toaster was specifically design to "toast a bread", is its ability to "toast a bread" would be real or fake?
Maybe for your generation this is true, I'm 37 we didn't have rad cell phones in highschool, I like taking out my phone having a cup of Joe or before I go to bed but I don't really care about this stuff, don't have Instagram or any of those, older people live life
I don't think this is a generational issue. I'm not on social media, and only really use my phone to make calls, texts, and do quick google searches to find information. But no matter where I go everyone around me is constantly looking at their phone regardless of their age. I have a very large multi-generational family which I spend time with regularly. But I generally find myself looking around at everyone on their phone wondering why we're even in the same room. I think at this point there is something out there for nearly every age and demographic to get hooked on. It's kinda sad.
,,When the world fails to foster genuine realitionships between men and women.." hey budy i don't know how to tell you this but you are the one responseble for those relationships. No society or cultural souronding can make you talk to girls.
I think we're on the same page. I agree that It's not society as a whole that is forcing people to be lonely and depressed. People's individual decisions within that society dictate their own actions and feelings. No one/nothing is forcing people to act/not to act. That's the whole reason I made this video - because people can change their harmful actions despite what the societal norm has become.
I liked the no country for old men video but this analysis is so shallow I had to check if it's the same channel. Especially when you started talking about masculinity and men not taking responsibilities, that came from nowhere lol. This feels like you tried to make a political point whilst trying to keep up the facade of being non political and that's where you decided to talk about this film. I know it looks like i'm trying to be mean but this is honest dissapointment (I'm also a bit hangry) but I hope you do not take this as a small sign that you should stop.
I get where your coming from. This video was more-so made to share my perspectives on these issues rather than to properly analyze the film. I appreciate the feedback and I agree that a tighter through line would have benefited the message. I want to write a video focused purely on analyzing the film, which I feel will be much better received. In many ways this video isn’t what some people expected to hear, so dissenting opinions are expected and not entirely unwelcome.
@@sderdude please, keep these political views to yourself, I came to your channel to see analysis over classic kino films, not hear Sigma male stuff over how mOdErNiTy bAd, not meaning to be rude bro, but you should keep the political content low and focus on analysing great films like you do because you clearly excel at that, not this self help guru stuff
i deleted most social media when it became a trend to do Joi's dance on tiktok. It was too terrifyingly ironic.
First, you covered no country for old men. My favorite movie of all time. Now you cover blade runner 2049, my second favorite movie of all time. I think I love this channel.
haha, I appreciate it!
I guess I really do need to give this a look as I personally put _There Will Be Blood_ at or above _No Country_ and putting 2049 above that seems dubious. But Again I haven’t seen it.
That said when you get to this level of filmmaking rankings do kinda start to feel superfluous.
Both have Roger Freakin Deakins as the cinematographer!!!
@@petew.7870 that honestly explains a lot
Interesting choices for your favorite movies.
Disagree partially with the end. We do need to end simp behavior but at the same time get rid of this nonsense that u have to be masculine all the time. The truth is just be urself and society does need to be more accepting to that. U dont need to be "masculine" whatever that truly even means. And simping isnt cuz ur not "masculine" its more due to self esteem issues unless u tie masculine with having self worth, which is just silly.
agreed. the ending was basically an ad for "yo bro...go to the gym, get some aviators, and start "manning up". lol
My goodness I’m in literal tears right now! 😭So beautiful 👏👏👏
I’ll be your shoulder to cry on
@@sderisn’t that parasocial? 🤨
@@sderyour not going to be my holographic women in life 😠
Gave me goosebumps!!
Really really well thought out man, it feels like u took the words straight from my brain when you talk about the cycle people end up in today.
appreciate it my man, glad you could relate. also, I should let you know that ur channel is my competition to keep up with on youtube
@@sder That's high praise.
same
From the US, I work at a local college. My favorite student this last semester wrote a paper on this very subject. I think this is a problem that more and more people are coming to realize IS a problem. I barely use social media myself (YT being the possible exception) and I thank god social media wasn't a thing when I was growing up. People who spend excessive time on social media have heightened anxiety, depression, can lead to radicalized thoughts and opinions. I heard this term somewhere, "information hygiene" and I think it is something people need to seriously consider exercising. Instead of letting junk information infiltrate your psyche, form your own opinions and principles, don't let social media take that from you.
TL;DR: this is a serious problem, and I think we will have an entire generation of people who are going to be fundamentally crippled because they let social media control far too much of their life.
Digital Detox needs to be a standard feature on every iOT Smart device with a screen. Period.
I agree. Its easy to get radicalized on the internet. Many times i find myself going that route but then go outside n realize its not like how the internet portrays the world. Im strong enough to stay grounded but can see how weaker minds get lost on the internet.
Once this strip mall infinity loop empire crashes, people will have other concerns.
Randomly found your channel. Not a lot of content but everything is great. Keep it up dude. You’ve got real talent for this.
thank you!
"internet is destroying humanity"
-internet
with that logic nobody should ever use a gun for protection since people use them to kill in wars 🤯
@@aztro.99 no correlation, I'm just saying internet contradicts itself
@@sofaezez6608these pretentious Sigma male video essayists are the most annoying crop of videos on RUclips, these dumbf**** think they're some kinds of philosophers who know the wrongs of today's society very clearly, while rehashing the same points that millions of other other youtubers churn out every day
Hm, I don't think I was K who called the prostitute. I'm pretty sure Joi said it was her who did it.
It was, she wanted to give him a away to physically touch her and vice-versa. She wanted to be intimate with him but couldn't so she chose the next best thing. K, on the other hand, was fine how she was but gave in because it was what Joi wanted, the thing he's been trying to push for her to do(do what she wants) their whole relationship.
I will say, I don’t think that the best motivation to stop social media addiction is how much money you could have made if you were working a lifeless minimum wage job. Id prefer to look to community, progress, education, art, and other things, to motivated me to stop abusing my phone. I think technology is good and improves our lives and meaning, but only when used correctly. The ones in control of technology simply use it to control and to make money, so it is mostly a detriment. But technology itself isn’t the problem. Great video though
This essay can easily apply to Her, starring Joaquin Phoenix and Scarlet Johansson, where the movie directly speaks of human needs and attachment. Phoenix’s Theodore Twombly, on the verge of divorce, struck a relationship with an AI OS called Samantha. The two even have a proxy sexual encounter as Samantha wants to make Theodore feel her in a physical form. If you have yet to watch it, I recommend it and maybe make another video essay comparing the two.
Sounds very interesting, Her has been on my watchlist so I'll definitely be watching it.
I’ve been feeling all of this in my head thinking there was no explanation for it and that I was the only one with these thoughts. Thank you for putting this out there, it helps boost my mental health to know I’m not alone with this problem
I really enjoyed the editing on this video! Thanks for sharing 😊
Thanks so much! Means a lot 😁
I hope you get more subscribers soon, your channel is starting off with some great subject matter... Anton Chigurgh (No Country for Old Men), Joi (Blade Runner 2049), 2 of my favorite movies of all time.Excellent.
I really appreciate it. I’ve some ideas lined up but I’m always open to suggestions!
@@sder Probably the most terrifying 'bad guy' to ever land on screen is 'Frank' played by Dennis Hopper in the film Blue Velvet, not sure if you've seen it, he's straight out of your worst nightmares. Good luck buddy!
Glad to see someone is talking about this very same thing. Everyone I know who had seen 2049 they don't get it at all and it scares me. Lop and the ad before this video was for replika take that as you will.
Most who have seen blade runner 20249 that ive seen mostly talk about Joi and simp for her
The future seen in the Blade Runner universe can certainly make us appreciate our natural satisfactions even more. Thank you very much for this video. 👍🏻
While I agree with a lot of your overarching points in this video I think using Joi as an anology misses the point. I might be wrong in my interpretation of what she means, and there is a chance you are right. But what I think Joi is supposed to do is challenge the way K's sees himself being created and programmed as not being human. In the start of the movie K sees himself as a tool made to do a job. He obviously loves Joi because she is the only "real" emotional connection he has and sees himself deserving of. And the way Joi is portrayed makes her very easy to like as a viewer as well which portrays something we long to have, the simple dopamine from quick and easy satisfaction. Which is the one place I think your interpretations hits home.
But for K as the movie goes on and he starts thinking that he is the android that was birthed he starts thinking of himself as more human, "to be born is to have a soul I guess". Giving him the name "Joe" is just a foreshadowing of his insignificance in the grand scheme of things. And when we as a viewer and K finds out Joe is Joi's standard naming convention and how her personality and likability is completely programmed it removes the genuineness of her affection. And K's realization of this is the thought that finally lets him see himself as not just a tool create to do a job like she is, but a thinking being with the freedom to do the things that he feel is right. The largest theme of the movie is the distinction between what is real and what is artificial.
But I think the rest of the world as it is portrayed is more in line with your arguments here. The flashing lights, the easy quick gratifications of the corporate world. There is obviously parts of Joi that does the same thing, but that's not the narrative her inclusion in the movie is meant to convey.
Interesting video none the less, and an interesting topic to discuss. Hope I got my point across in a somewhat understandable way. And once again this is just my interpretation and I might be wrong.
I've seen a lot of your videos, and this one stands out as a vid where the viewer not only receives your analysis and view of the topic, but actual advice and guidance.
That’s why I like RUclips, I can put on a video and listen while doing something else like cook or clean or work out. But a lot of my time is spent towards my one year old and my teen stepson. iPhones are good at telling you how much you’re spending on what apps and when, thru screen time or thru the battery settings. It is eye opening to see how much time I spend texting tho, I hate talking on the phone and I spend at least 45min to 1hr simple using the texting app. I only use social media one day a month. Now that being said, I do spend probably 10-20 hours a week gaming. Usually on my steam deck while laying in bed to get sleepy, during times when my daughter is napping, during times when the family is watching a movie I don’t like (any of the Fast and Furious movies). Putting down social media really helped a lot when it comes to how happy I am with what I have and where I am in life and how I look or how often or unoften I leave my house to see friends or what we do when we do go out.
Great video! You have a great, poetic way of writing and there were some very thought provoking ideas that you presented. The idea of the idealized manufactured woman is an issue that I've notice for a while but you put it into words better than I could have. So many people in society nowadays are caught up looking for the "ideal" relationship, but are so numb to dopamine from social media that their expectations are incredibly unrealistic. Joi from Blade Runner is a great example of this. I'd also bring up the prevalence of parasocial relationships towards influencers that's been rising the in past few years: people "simping" over streamers and feeling emotional attachment to the stranger behind their screen.
However, I do have to partially disagree with you in the last section of the video. I don't think this is an issue specific to men (though it may be more common), and therefore I don't think traditional masculinity is necessarily the _only_ solution to the problem. What will help is the other point you made: taking on *responsibility* in one's life. It is true for both men and women that taking on responsibility, finding something valuable in their lives that they can commit to long-term is going to help aid them. Not so much whether they abide by the traditional definition of masculinity/femininity or not.
Either way, I really enjoyed your video and thought I might help boost your engagement with this comment. I hope you find some value out of what I've written here. Keep up the great content!
You can easily tell that this channel's going to get big.
bro, I gotta call bs from the start. I already work 12 fucking hours a day. why the fuck would I want to WORK more? I wanna rest too
I gotta say, it's a pleasure finding your channel. your reviews are not some derivative high thinking bullshit that could be regurgitated by any critique. All I see and hear are the honest opinions of a man who loves movies. Even if some of your opinions may not align with my own, I can still respect them and listen to them wholeheartedly because you're not talking down to anyone. Gotta say I'm finding more and more youtube channels with less than 10k subscribers that I enjoy watching more than anyone of my other big-name subscribed channels
Bro this hit HARD. Outstanding message mate!
when I look "matrix" or "truman show" ... There was surrealist. Now, it's real. You follow many star of cinema, sports, politics,... You have an iphone with mail, case, bank service, supermarket service,... they was crazy idea. Today Matrix and Truman is real. When you look blade runner 2049, how don't be afraid or sad for future !
The future is never set in stone
Joy will never badmouth you to your friends and family, Neither take pleasure in ruining your reputation, nor treat you like a walking ATM whose value lies solely in providing money and status to the recipient of love, or constantly manipulate you for making sure you are psychologically and physically fit to provide through endless, humiliating mind games; neither ensure that the rest of your life will be miserable away from your children. That's how you know for sure that she's not real. Reality is not a movie and free will is an illusion for all parties. Oh the future is uncertain but there is hope
Love your video editing.
tysm!
Thankful RUclips recommends your channel, great opening and edits on your video. really hooked me on to watch it entirely, cant wait to see what else you will be uploading. :)
The value comes to those who can see without being seen. Humanity is a resource above all else. Beliefs are always limited to perception and can never carry an undeniable truth.
The difference is K's only option was the Joi hologram. The humans gave him enough stimuli just to not go too crazy. We have an option.
Youve quickly rose to become one of my favorite essay tubers.
I am honored
Well said! This is exactly the conversation; every young man needs to hear.
Started hearing the beach in the background and had to check if I was imagining things. Good choice
I'm sure most young people will come to the conclusion they can't just click on a real relationship. Get a hobby, do a sport, join or start a labor union, meet some people. Corporations are always going to push whatever will sell. Welcome to capitalism in the 21st century.
Not all men are meant to be masculine or strong. And who cares about well spoken.. ol Elliot Rodgers over here banging on with his supreme gentleman bs. Yes society is doomed, but it's idiot wannabe alpha males destroying it, not dudes comfortable enough in their own skin to appear weak or feminine. Sure they can be annoying, but they aint working people to their graves an leaving with a bag.
Hopefully one day you'll be able to see the real issues and causes of them in society. But not if you continue to beat on the first minority you're told is the problem..
@@caninecurry5823 cope harder
Every new technology has its dangers. However, I believe that our values adapt to these circumstances.
People always create their own nature and then unfortunately leave behind those who are still stuck in "the old ways".
It would be best not to judge these men for not coming to terms with these changes.
But the cult of tradition is not the answer to these problems, it needs new answers to our challenges, in my opinion.
Best wishes!
The masculinity & femininity stuff comes out of left field. If it were a graded essay you would totally get ???'s for just having that totally unsupported stuff. There's lots that is interesting to learn about regarding that in sociology, would definitely recommend. Alternative (non-hegemonic) masculinity is something I believe is a force for positive change; vulnerability and sincerity in place of "being a man" or repressing emotions seems much better to me.
I agree so much with this and I'm glad to see a comment pointing out how weird and sudden it was. I'm not the only one.
In order to be vulnerable you have to risk insincerity from others.
Right? It started and ended pretty weird,
Right? I found it incredibly jarring and unsubstantiated. Also, I didn't like the opening where he says we are being brainwashed to enjoy certain types of media but falls straight into the capitalist brainwashing that we could have been doing something "valuable" like working. Like my time is valuable to me. That's why I sell it to others for money. That doesn't mean work is valuable.
I agree with about 75% of the video because it is true that people nowadays are disconnected and are constantly seeking more validation; but there is a line. There's a point where its not a change in the youth and that they should be more like the past its just evolution and the actual change of the world and culture. Like how young men are less masculine, they are less of the "old" traditional masculinity but that's a sign that masculinity and culture are changing as we evolve. I love the video though and the editing is top teir.
I appreciate the comment. It think points of disagreements are essential for good conversations
@@sder Acknowledging that is a point of decent argumentative and philosophical intelligence. I appreciate that. Now I know the reason I can watch your channel is because you're observant enough to grasp the idea of what you're talking about.
Na it's a sign of something in the tap water and less acceptable of masculinity in the workplace while women r free to be hormonal on their period
Most people in the USA will generally work about 8.5 to 9 hours a day and sleep for about 8 hours. That's 17 hours of the day gone. Before work you'll spend maybe an hour getting ready, eating breakfast, commuting, etc. After work you'll spend maybe 2 hours doing things like grocery shopping, laundry, paying bills, cooking/eating dinner, showering, going to the gym, etc. That's 20 hours of your typical weekday gone. You're suggesting that people should spend these remaining 4 hours working? And for what, an extra 20k a year after taxes? That's chump change.
We're not really going to be able to enjoy this additional money we're making because we're spending the vast majority of our time working. Maybe we should put the extra money into savings for our retirement? That's a great idea. Now you can set yourself up for a much easier retirement only to die at the age of 67, a year or two before you're actually able to retire. This is exactly what the 1% want from you. Spend your entire life slaving away for low wages while they reap all the benefits.
You're right about one thing; time is the most valuable thing that you have. So I suggest you spend your 4 hours a day doing whatever it is that will bring you the most joy and happiness you can reasonably expect to find within your means. This 4 hours a day of bliss is actually the entire point of working in the first place, because without it you're already dead anyway.
What everyone needs to hear. What a good video essay. Fantastic Job. 10/10
This was amazing! I hope you continue to make many more videos in the future.
The best and most important RUclips video I've ever seen. All talking about my favorite movie ever. Everything you said in this video is spot on. Definitely ringing that bell
Excellent video, love Lewis, the Ransom Trilogy, and your take.
I think the root of all human evil is seeking "good" things in the place of the best thing. Favoring the gifts over the giver. We can get alot of what our flesh wants these days, but what we need is not something we can simply grasp or pay for.
I just watched this movie yesterday and took away a similar message from it. This movie definitely struck a chord with me
Your Anton Chigirgh video was insightful, this one was plainly beautiful
Dr Sadia Khan speaks to this matter very well. I’m surprised they made a movie about this. Thanks for making the video.
just came here from NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN video. What a great and understandable analysis. Feed us more sir!
Great channel. And, yes, your movie reviews are terrific.
But there's something much more important going on here. It's your observations about contemporary life via the cinema that makes you both an important and necessary voice in today's culture.
Most People will agree with this video, seeing the flaws of their actions and the negative effect artificial dopamine has on them and society, but in the split second of clarity will return to what they have deemed the start of the fall of humanity, to scroll.
you taught me something real today i will be grateful
Wow I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone break down the slow distancing of humanity from ourselves because of machines like you did.
hope this goes viral
That thumbnail made me worried at first, glad to know im safe
Fantastic video. I am going to try and go no screens all day tomorrow. Thank you for your help. Also your videos are amazing.
I appreciate you watching. Make the most of the time unplugged!
Underrated channel
W video, our world today is so deep in the fake and simulated, that sometimes it feels like we’re on a one way track. technology keeps getting more complex just to make us stupider and dependent on it to the point where we’re like pseudo-cyborgs. i hate the fact that i can see all this around me yet im deep in it as well. and even though some people think the conclusion to this video was borderline sacrilege i think its a great message that other men and i need to adopt.
Beautifully said wow just wow what a gem of a RUclips channel.
Great video! Thank you for making this
Wild you are only ay 400 subs as well. Excited to see this channel grow and hope it reaches the countless people who need to hear these messages
mean a lot, thank you
As Sartre said “He!! Is other people “
Bro I saw the thumbnail and thought this was going to be a completely different video.
Do you think you'll make a video on Blade Runner: Black Lotus? Underrated imo
I sometimes see people trying to conjure a romance between K and Joi saying that Joi ordering Mariette to K's apartment for sex is a sign she is independent, and thus her love for K is real.
The problem is I note about Joi's initiative to invite Mariette to act as her/its proxy to have sex with K is that it happens after K comes to believe that he is real. Born, not made. Maybe she/it calculates that armed with this knowledge he wont be satisfied with his artificial incorporeal girlfriend anymore. He might seek a real relationship with a real girl and discard her/it. No more consumption. No more upgrades. No more corporate profits. We already know he questions the authenticity of her "love" ("You don't have to say that"). To keep his attention like she is designed to do, she has to raise the stakes and she uses Mariette to do so.
Even apart from that, it's incredibly creepy/controlling for your significant other to hire sex workers to sleep with you. It's another indicator for me of a simulation struggling and failing to mimic human behaviour. When we first meet Joi, its striking how shallow the simulation is - she has a few rote lines ("was a day", "did you know this song was first released in XXXX", etc) and flips almost chaotically from one strategy to another to keep his attention - 50's housewife/read to me/lets dance - but she doesn't know if it's their anniversary, and there is the subtle nagging about getting cabin fever (buy the upgrade!). Joi is a vampire - K's relationship with her/it is actually a bit of a dystopian horror as opposed to a romance, no matter how pretty Ana de Armas is.
But i still see poeple online cosplay as Joi and simp or want a person like her
@@GAMEPLAY-zw1gi Honestly, I think its down to the actress playing the character. If Joi was played by Kathy Bates from the movie Misery, there would be far less people trying to pretend Joi was "real".
You probably missed or forgot this, but she hired a prostitute because he told her he wanted her to have more agency and do what she wanted. She wanted to take their relationship further. She chose that for herself. She wasn't being manipulative. She was being genuine. Making her own decision to do something she otherwise couldn't.
I think you miss the main point here, you keep seeing K as a human but it was an artificial being too, just like Joi, born to be a slave with fake memories, in a sense, he was programmed to be like that
Imo all the relationship with K and Joi was a Parallel to the old Deckard/Rachel relationship, as we can see later in the movie, Deckard is in the exact same situation with that copy of Rachel
And the original Rachel from the first movie was a copy of Tyrell's niece, so in the end it's always the same question, do androids dreams of electric sheeps?
@@Esodulg I don't think I described K as human - though he is clearly presented as the protagonist, and we (the humans) are supposed to identify with him and his journey throughout the movie. I talked about Joi and her/its inept attempts to simulate a romantic relationship with its target audience - K. K could be "born, not made" or just "made". Either way, he was a consumer of the Joi girlfriend experience product. The Joi program may simply have kicked up a gear in its tactics to absorb his time/wallet when it considered it was dealing with a potential human. It doesn't alter the nature of the consumer-product relationship.
There are differences with K/Joi and Deckard/Rachel. Initially, K and Joi know they are made, not born. It is a consumer-product relationship. K bought Joi, to serve as a facsimile of a human experience in his otherwise empty existence outside of his job. If K hadn't bought Joi off the shelf, she wouldn't exist. She exists only because K paid for her to serve his needs. She is a slave. If he ever grows bored with her, her existence ends.
Deckard and Rachel initially both believe they are born, not made. They met each other through the course of their otherwise ongoing existence. Rachel has no particular imperative to seduce Deckard in the same way Joi - a girlfriend experience product - has to seduce K, the consumer who paid for that girlfriend experience. Its a key difference in the two relationships. Joi was literally designed by a corporation to extract money from lonely, desperate wallets - no matter if the wallet was controlled by a human or an android. Rachel is artificial too, but she was designed to push the envelope on an artificial being passing as human, to attempt to fool even a bladerunner. To be plausible, the design would have to ensure it/she didn't fall in love with the first human male she saw.
If the film intended for Joi to be shown to be independent and self-aware, it would most logically be shown by Joi rebelling against her design and *not* being in love with K. In the same way the replicants rebel against their design as slaves. In the same way K rebels against his design as a hunter of his own kind. The replicants - K, his targets, his allies, Rachel, Batty and his allies - demonstrate a higher order of awareness outside their design that the Joi program does not. They 're both artificial, but its not the same. I think the movie even shows this - Deckard knows the difference between *his* Rachel, and the copy he is presented with. Whereas the grim sadness of K is even after *his* Joi is "dead", he knows he can get the same level of intimacy with a new Joi product who calls him "a good Joe". The very same name *his* Joi announced for him when thinking he was "born, not made". The horror of that moment is he knows he can go to the store right then and get the same Joi girlfriend experience back. The triumph is he rejects it and grows.
Sadly, women don't want you to talk to them unless somehow you have been affirmed to them through some intermediary. So it's a vicious cycle which breaks us down. Even if you go to a church, the people may not be friendly. They may not care about you because everyone is really just showing up to watch a performance
Great video, but I want to speak my mind on one thing.
I don't think it matters whether men are masculine or feminine and I also don't think it matters if women is feminine or masculine. I think the true problem is that people will only look for the easiest way out of every situation and online entertainment is the easiest for of satisfing ones needs even if it doesn't work long term.
Almost every problem in todays society comes out of looking for the easiest way or desperation (usually for the feeling of control), but I will only limit this comment to the topic of the video.
With that said, I mostly agree with the rest of the video, keep up the good work, you make great content.
Gay
@@Ekdrink gotta love some constructive criticism, but if you're asking me out just say where and when 😘
It's ironic how I found this video by mindlessly scrolling through RUclips.
Damn that Soder way to attack me personally, Joi and I are going home!
once a while RUclips algorithm spit out some quality videos with very little views number.
I think you miss the point of joi. Joi like officer k and other replicates could have developed genuine feeling. You see joi and k at odd eventually convinceing k to delete her in the home system and keep her only in the pocket hologram. Also i see the sex scenes as joi wanted to have the physical relationship wanting to be more then just a hologram, but also all that could have been part of her programming so was it genuine after all? I think this is the greater question it poses. Its a reach to makes it about social media, over stimulation, and men. It about robots having feeling, and move over the human condition.
Also k wasn't isolated after joi's program was destroyed. Literally in the next scene he was recruited to fight a revolution for replicates like him. He had decker and choses not to kill him and rather take him to see his daughter and die.
Honestly Joe's relationship with joi was as healthy one, well healthy for a robot and hologram could get. This isn't to say I think hologram gf Is a good idea and a replacement irl, that isn't the point of the movie either.
I agree, the guy missed the point.
He thought he made his "instant gratification" hypothesis work by forcing K/ Joe to be solely an archetype for "average organic human being" or "human average Joe". It's too narrow an interpretation. Even faulty.
Since K was in fact a replicant(!) in the end. Meaning, he was an AI, like Joi - one inhabited a synthetic humanoid body, the other presented itself mostly as a hologram, fed from a hardware station.
Both Joi and K learned to steadily disobey their machine programming.
The author of this analysis had to carve one huge (and decisive) layer of the film out to make it all about a warning of short-term digital dopamine shots and the soon to come hedonistic dystopian nightmare of Only Fans sex robots... (and while that criticism is much needed, no question, Bladerunner 2049 isn't the particular piece of art you need to make your case.) Although you can see that dystopian system in Bladerunner 2049 - it remains in the background. Something much more sublime and tremendous is under discussion in this movie...
Joe is not a human, so falling in love with Joi, also not a human, makes more sense to Joe's kind.
You could easily become one of the most influential youtubers if you keep this up!
Oof, but chill on the redpill bullshit. It's just a food-colored blue pill my friend, trust.
yeah sure lol
Oh! Joi the character! Right.
Thought this video was going in another direction...
GREAT VIDEO
Love this!
Damn u for making us reflect on our lives.
...when's your next upload?
You had a good analysis till the last part. The comparison to modern man versus what they used to is off. You’re holding it to a conservative Christian standard of traditional masculinity when in reality, the adaptation for men to be emotionally available and socially intuitive is not a bad thing. These are traits you deem as feminine where the reality of a traditional man with traditional masculine traits is not valued by modern women, women are not brainwashed into thinking thats what a man is. Lastly men are conditioned not to love or touch other men. Not even from a homosexual point of view. Simply as human. Men are CONDITIONED not to show intimacy with their friends. This causing a spiral of loneliness. Because a women shouldn’t be the only thing that supports a man emotionally
You’re both right and wrong. YES, masculinity SHOULD evolve to allow more emotion and inner thoughts etc to women, BUT if you have ever cried, or shown weakness or utter vulnerability before a woman who you would say you utterly trust, only to then have it used against you, you would understand. This has happened to the majority of men. You keep harping on about being CONDITIONED to this and that, well, women must be CONDITIONED to be put off by vulnerability in a man? Is that true? I don’t think so. It’s basic physiological biology, women, like men, have software programmed into them at the inner most level, and you can try CONDITIONAL or UNCONDITIONAL methods to determine if this can be changed…. At best, it’s hidden by the majority of people who do not wish to intentionally hurt their partner/friend/whatever. But women telling men to act like women emotionally, then when we do, they are put off by it, whether they mean to be or not, speaks volumes. Watch and listen to what people DO, not what they SAY.
@@jayboy2kay7 I agree. What our friend is saying here is correct but it's idealistic. At the end of the day, you need to appeal to the biochemistry of women and men in order to not get hurt in life.
Joy is also the only one that can love him. He doesn't have any friends or family. He doesn't have an identity and he's so beaten down. He doesn't even think that he has a soul because he's not natural born. So he's just a puppet a golem of his Masters. Enjoy is the only one that tells him he's a somebody. Even if he's not a somebody to anybody, he's a somebody to her so she names him. Joe. Only later on to find out that that is just part of the program
While I do agree that one should be confident in themselves and strive to be better. I feel as if the definition of "manly" or "masculine" is blurred these days. In my personal opinion it should be seen less of a physical what you look like or "should" look like but how healthy your mindset should be. In my eyes a true man is one who is compassionate, confident, caring, all the good traits a person should have. Not that one person is expected to be all of this to be manly of course. I believe trying to convince others than being a man means a specific look rather than mindset should be strayed away from. Just because one has girlish clothing or wants to identify as a female does not (in my opinion) make someone less manly, If anything to me it shows their true manliness by accepting and admitting who they are and who they want to be.
In my opinion I believe these quick shots of dopamine are very unhealthy (I will admit I do the same plenty) however I do not believe we should say things such as technology is nessecarily bad. I like video games, they are my passion. Being electronic and artificial does that make it any different than say a book? a book is just paper and ink afterall while video games are just circuts and electronics.
Things such as constantly browsing tiktok and watching pornographic content (to an unhealthy extent) I do agree should be considered bad. But whether or not the video is or is not saying technology bad I feel as if we should figure out the lines of which we should not cross, especially in saying how MUCH of these are bad. It is not inherantly bad to scroll through tiktok and other similar sites but doing them to an extent of what is borderline addiction should be the line.
Similar to alchohol or marijuana. They aren't on the surface THAT bad for you in moderation, it's when you get addiction and hooked does it start to become a problem
I am unsure if anything I said here even makes sense within the context of the video, debating and situations like this are not my strong suit. However this video was well made and though provoking so I felt as if I had to share opinions on topics such as this. Especially as someone who has issues with quick dopamine hits rather than working towards what I believe to be more important
The irony of watching this video is not list on me.
I dont read. Not because i cant, but because video conveys ideas 1000x better. But he's right, it is boring. And the only reason anyone ever read is because they didnt have a better alternative. Theres no shame in admitting you dont read, as long as you are learning somehow
I was really into the video and the perspective to quit porn and dopamine but as a gay guy it’s harder to buy into the idea that to make my life better I should be harboring romantic relationships with real women. And then you really lost me with the whole red pill men are weak and need to masculine thing at the end 😢. Other than that a good video
The algorithm will see this stays under the radar lol
The opening of this "every hour you are on the phone is time you could be working" is a terrible and borderline dystopian stance to take.
Human beings (and indeed the brain) needs down time. One of my favorite facts from a documentary about astronauts on Mir in the 90s was that many would expect to take up weighty and worthy epics like War And Peace.
But the reality was that they crazed gossip mags. We all seem to need "trash time". But obviously need to check that our lives aren't being consumed by it.
The drug 'Joy' in Lisa
Interesting how people will call you out for your personal beliefs and try telling you that your wrong by their personal beliefs.
This video comes off very "kids these days" to me. I get what you're saying but attempting to quantify whether it not somethings worth doing by saying "hey imagine if you worked instead of doing something for leisure" slowly inches you towards Tate territory. Also sex has been commodified for as long if not longer than it has been an expression of love.
I take issue with this, and I'm not gonna go into intense detail as to why I don't think this works, but Joe not even being a real human, and being an artificial slave makes all of this fall apart, as far as I'm concerned. I never made these kinds of connections because I never even viewed him as human, because he's not. Joi isn't a good representation of a human woman, because she is not that, either. Just these two points alone makes all of this fall apart, as far as I'm concerned. Joe can't be representative of "the every-man" because he, himself, isn't a real man... I'll stop there. I do love this movie, though. It does have lessons to teach. I'll agree there, for sure. To me, one is should we even attempt to create artificial people, at all. Now THAT I'm not so sure of. We're better off just making machines to do things for us, that aren't living, breathing entities. Man, I love me some Blade Runner.
I'm also bothered by the idea that every man wants a woman. Regardless of whether you're being hyperbolic or not, that's simply not true. Every woman doesn't want a man. Some of them don't even feel like what they biologicaly are. I'm not even gonna go into my others issues with this... Good grief...
yeah i agree. the video on Anton Chigurh was excellent but this video for me just goes into Soder's psyche and how easily the bigoted view of Jordan Peterson's type spreads throughout young men these days. it's fucking sad. those views are literally destroying the lives of the LGBTQ community
“Some of them don’t even feel like what they are” mental illness buddy
Ok, this is weird. I'm seeing the thing saying there's two replies, but I can't actually view them... 🤨 And I know I saw the first few words of one a while back. I think it was from Soder. I kinda wanna actually read that. Did you remove your own reply? When it showed up originally I tapped on it, and even then couldn't see it.
I saw your reply in my notifications, but can't here. This is weird.
@@chuckclark3214he probably hid my reply. it was about the mentality of Soder on this topic and how it related to Jordan Peterson style thinking and how it's seriously damaging the LGBTQ community
I see a lot of comments saying “the ending here was out of left field” or words to that effect. I completely disagree, OP is right… the rest is cope. Ironically we are all posting views on a video on loneliness on a social platform. That speaks volumes alone.
The irony you point out is reflective of the first part of the video, with which everyone agrees, not the latter. It’s one thing to disagree but you should at least try and argue your point
I think Her vs Bladerunner 2049 would make more sense here since K isn’t human so him having a non human girlfriend makes sense. But in Her, Joaquin Phoenixs character was human and formed a relationship with an AI while shutting out other humans.
Idk just a thought.
What's the song at the beginning of the video?
you had me until the weird "men these days are weak" shit at the end. I don't think the loosening of traditional and outdated values is in any way related to the topic you discussed. The rest of the video was awesome man. I came here from your No Country For Old Men video which was great too.
It was also just completely out of left field, like I said out loud "what?" when he started going on that tangent.
Yeah, that was the fastest sub to unsub I have ever had. I loved the No Country video, watched this one, and then the ending was just so bizarre and tangential. It felt like I stumbled into a weird sigma male thing. It made me feel like I couldn't trust the rest of the content on display. Especially when so little of what he says has sources. Like people hating reading. Book sales are pretty fucking high for a society that can't read.
The end remarks feel really off.
The fact you present men being asked to be more feminine by society, a very questionable view of the topic, as a bad thing, is interesting.
What we attribute as "feminine" traits are often just the traits of a well balanced person, but since we tend to make ourselves an idealized version of what is a woman, and are all but too lucid on our own flaws as men, we attach positive traits to femininity that we should be excluded from. How is being open about your emotions less manly? How is caring more about your appearance less manly? How is being more socially open and emotionally available less manly? Truth is it’s not. It’s just what all humans should have, regardless of genitals.
I want to talk a bit about what "being masculine" can be like by shortly talking about my grandfather. I won’t get into the details but he was all some idealize: skilled craftsman, earned money, owned a house, had a wife and kids, was stoic and strong, and he was the most miserable bastard to walk this earth, and by proxy made his family miserable, and it all had to do with the exact same flaws you describe in "today’s men". He was controlled by artificial satisfaction and hollow social interaction, and he was in many ways comparable to the "modern man".
My point is: living healthier, more fulfilling lives, is not going to be derived from masculinity or a return to tradition. Men have always been lonely, and Social media is just piling onto an already existing problem.
And finally, to close this, I really dislike the way women are adressed in the video. I get it, it’s a video essay about the loneliness of modern men, which is an issue about men (duh) that is different from those faced by women, and there is no reason to make the video about women. However, there is still a problem in the way you talk about them. You talk about fixing humanity through fixing men as if they’re the only actors in the species. They’re not just another commodity, a goal to be achieved and gained, something you seem to unwillingly imply, they’re people just as complex and with their own issue, and not required for male happiness. It’s true modern society has fucked up the social interactions between men and women, but it has done the same between men and men. As a matter of fact partners are not a cure to making your life better but rather a ""reward"" or rather something that comes with improving your own life. In addition, conditioning your happiness to a person who’s needs wants and very personality can change is dangerous, just as dangerous as putting that happiness in the hands of artificial dopamine rushes.
Yeah, good video, kinda crashed the landing
By any chance does anyone know what that song was at the beginning?
You seem young and earnest, and that's good, but the story is somewhat darker than you yet realize. The epic hero isn't going to get us out of our current predicament.
If an AI companion was design specifically "to love" it's user, is its "love" would be real or fake?
If a toaster was specifically design to "toast a bread", is its ability to "toast a bread" would be real or fake?
Whats the song in the beginning? I can't find the name 😢
Ive used Shezeen and found it, its swing lynn
pleasure without conscience
Maybe for your generation this is true, I'm 37 we didn't have rad cell phones in highschool, I like taking out my phone having a cup of Joe or before I go to bed but I don't really care about this stuff, don't have Instagram or any of those, older people live life
I really appreciate that perspective, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the comment!
@@sder that's cool! You seem like a smart guy, I'm liking checking out your vids. Good luck with everything
I don't think this is a generational issue. I'm not on social media, and only really use my phone to make calls, texts, and do quick google searches to find information. But no matter where I go everyone around me is constantly looking at their phone regardless of their age. I have a very large multi-generational family which I spend time with regularly. But I generally find myself looking around at everyone on their phone wondering why we're even in the same room. I think at this point there is something out there for nearly every age and demographic to get hooked on. It's kinda sad.
Man i got to read a book
Video would do well as an ifunny scroll post. Subscribing immediately.
,,When the world fails to foster genuine realitionships between men and women.." hey budy i don't know how to tell you this but you are the one responseble for those relationships. No society or cultural souronding can make you talk to girls.
I think we're on the same page. I agree that It's not society as a whole that is forcing people to be lonely and depressed. People's individual decisions within that society dictate their own actions and feelings. No one/nothing is forcing people to act/not to act. That's the whole reason I made this video - because people can change their harmful actions despite what the societal norm has become.
Bro was so bamboozled he had to comment twice 🤨🤣
There are internal factors but can we acknowledge the external?
what if i just want to talk to men instead.
@@Belial289 hell yeah dude
I liked the no country for old men video but this analysis is so shallow I had to check if it's the same channel. Especially when you started talking about masculinity and men not taking responsibilities, that came from nowhere lol. This feels like you tried to make a political point whilst trying to keep up the facade of being non political and that's where you decided to talk about this film.
I know it looks like i'm trying to be mean but this is honest dissapointment (I'm also a bit hangry) but I hope you do not take this as a small sign that you should stop.
I get where your coming from. This video was more-so made to share my perspectives on these issues rather than to properly analyze the film. I appreciate the feedback and I agree that a tighter through line would have benefited the message. I want to write a video focused purely on analyzing the film, which I feel will be much better received. In many ways this video isn’t what some people expected to hear, so dissenting opinions are expected and not entirely unwelcome.
@@sder glad to hear you didn't take it personally
@@sderdude please, keep these political views to yourself, I came to your channel to see analysis over classic kino films, not hear Sigma male stuff over how mOdErNiTy bAd, not meaning to be rude bro, but you should keep the political content low and focus on analysing great films like you do because you clearly excel at that, not this self help guru stuff