Crew X "Captain, there is no dawn in space. Do you need medical assistance. You are talking out loud to nobody. I'm a red shirt crew, captain. Will I survive unlike the officers?" "no answer then and you just walk away from me, well thats just superb, should I update my will again if I get a chance?" Picard: "the darkest hour is just before the dawn" Crew person X " should the red shirts just take the escape pods now captain? "
"We're heading toward federation space at maximum warp, the crew has responded with the dedication I've come to expect from them, and like a thousand other commanders on a thousand other battlefields, I wait for the dawn"
So Im going to beam over to fight him hand to hand.... Worf? nah... Data? nah... Riker? nah... I've got this.. even though I got my ass handed to me by an old man in Generations and literally ANYONE in security would be better capable of handling this, I have to do it... because...reasons...
It's weird that at the beginning of the movie it was a moment of joy for the crew as they were celebrating Riker and Troi's wedding and now they're in for the Battle of they're lives and the lives of the entire Federation to stop a homicidal madman whose out to destroy the Federation with a ship that has the perfect cloaking device and they can't target they're weapons against it till they manage to get a hit with the phasers and only if they have an empath like Troi or someone like her onboard because without any of that the crews of those ships are fighting blind and like what Billy said in the first Predator movie 'They were shooting in all directions'.
@@samsonguy10k Given how "Nemesis" was directed by someone who had no idea about ST, the movie turned out rather well... although I think this had more to do with the Actors' expertise and familiarity with their roles. If Baird had worked with a cast/crew that lacked Trek-related experience, it would have turned out differently.
@@kuribayashi84 that was one credit to Baird that he did allow the actors to go with what they knew. He is a good editor, but letting him direct was a poor move by paramount
@@AnvilMAn603 Even if it would´ve made no sense at all,i would´ve liked to see Q fistfight a reman on the Enterprise just to leave after saying"Boxing with Sisco gave me a reason to train"^^
"You understand me".....those words spoken so softly and purposefully from Picard indicate the importance of what he is saying and that his senior officers understand the gravity of what they face. What a great actor!
"So let me get this straight, there's a Reman dreadnought with a "perfect" cloak hunting us down for my blood. With that in mind you plotted a course through a small nebula which would cut off communications and prevent us from calling for help? How does this not scream 'bad idea'?" *A wild Scimitar appears...*
It’s one of the best battles of the movies but any outside the box thinker could have cracked it open. If the Enterprise had deployed a shuttle that jumped to high warp all it had to was get past the rift and whistle up the rest of the Enterprise’s battle group. The scimitar was able to body three ships not used to working together. Not a cohesive unit leftover from the Dominion War
@@patsfreak Even worse...there was apparently no plan that said"If the Enterprise does not contact us shortly before entering the nebula,and even worse,right after the amount of time it would take to cross it,we ignore all regulations and treatys and head into the basen rift" Not to mention that the Valdore/Moira/Norexan whatever type Warbirds are not much stronger than a domion war galaxy,according to beta canon...
I'm not gonna hold that against them, whether the in-universe characters or the writers. The Enterprise had to go as fast as it could to unite with the rest of Starfleet. Taking the shortest, fastest course through space likely meant going through the Bassen Rift even if it could interfere with communications. Going around the nebula to maintain communications wouldn't be better if the longer route allowed the Scimitar to catch up to it. The Enterprise was outclassed by the Scimitar enough. Even if communications was maintained, it may not have saved the Enterprise in that scenario since it would still take time for the rest of the fleet to get to her. And, yeah, despite the direct route through the nebula, the Scimitar still caught up to the Enterprise. Sometimes you can pick what seems to be the right choice and still lose. That's not weakness; that's life.
I like this scene because it undermines the critics who said that Picard ramming the Enterprise into the Scimitar was overkill and unnecessary, done only for effect. Right here he makes it clear what the stakes are, and that their lives are meaningless compared to the gravity of their mission.
It still undermines it. Or at least, is as pointless as the mission Ol' Picard clone is on. Having such a messy, poorly written villain doomed the rest of the plot. If the stakes were so important they wouldn't have put forth ideas such as . "Well, we'll just wait here, on the edge of this communications-blocking nebula, for a message from the Enterprise, which is likely inside the communications-blocking nebula..." The concept is cool, but the moment you look at anything larger than this tiny snippet of the movie you realise it absolutely was done for effect.
@@ArchieZeroOne I'm not saying Stewart carried the movie, but he did one hell of a better job than Abrams at delivering his lines :P Besides, a better example of why it was done for effect is that stupid line of "Self Destruct Sequence malfunctioning". Nevermind how or why thats even POSSIBLE, just tell Geordi to purposely sabotage the warp reactor.
@@DarkestVampire92 "Nevermind how or why thats even POSSIBLE" Imagine that a spaceship has control circuits. Now imagine that said circuits can suffer battle damage, and that damage causes them to stop working. There you go.
@@isodoubIet We've literally seen people threatening to destroy the Enterprise by pointing a Phaser at the warp core. Photon torpedos were modified to be breaching charges and demolition devices before. IF the plot allowed for it, there would've been a million ways to destroy the ship and take Scimitar with it.
This is the last time they all were together. And the exchange. "You understand me." Riker takes the room. "Yes sir." Like, this is our last hurrah. Let's do it.
Starfleet has a history of all or nothing. They had to. The Xindii, the Romulans, the Klingons, and then much later the Dominion. Always amuses me when some alien laughs at how weak a human is. They never consider the spirit or their allies.
Little did he know, there was someone there with a trick up her sleeve. Made me happy when she finally gave in and started using her telepathy full bore. It was pretty obvious throughout the series that she was more than just an empath, but she held back because of fear.
@@samsonguy10k in a way we saw it in the very first TNG episode as she and riker meet again. I never liked the glib excuse that she could send him her thoughts because of them beeing former lovers
Unavoidable. Only the Enterprise had been invited to Romulus. At the time Starfleet didn't know whether the Romulans stood with Shinzon and the Remans or not. The Federation wasn't in the habit of instigating war. Their one time of doing it, blockading the Bajoran Wormhole outside of their jurisdiction, sunk them in a war they almost lost and cost them dearly. They had to do it by the book this time and make it clear the Romulans were the first aggressors. It is an important point where allies and Federation members are concerned. This was a very good point to make in the story.
@@samsonguy10k It MUST´ve been known to Starfleet what the Basen rift is though...atleast plan something like"Right before u enter it,send a quick signal,right after you leave it,do the same...If we do not get a signal,we will move at maximum warp toward the rift"
I love Star Trek so much.. Nemesis was the first trek movie I saw after watching Voyager, when the movie came out I remember myself as a 14 years old kid going around all over in the streets of Tel Aviv asking in the DVD shops if they have this movie.. after many searches my parents found one, and not just one, but the Hebrew version of this film's DVD, I still have it, the cool DVD and the good memories:)
I actually cried when I learned this movie was going to be the end of Data and saw how he sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise and his shipmates devastating to say the least.
Shinzon: "I need your blood Picard. In order for me to live!" Picard: "Well, thanks to replicator technology we can give you however much you need. A hundred litres do? We can whip it up in a couple of hours. Would you like some tea while we wait?"
I watched this Presentation Series years ago. I have come to the conclusion that: 'hate', 'vicious ' , 'revenge,' 'war' , 'destruction' is no different in the 24th Century as it was in the 20th, and into the 21st. Nothing has changed , except the creatures involved.
The worlds no Sailor or Marine ever wants to hear but is always ready for....General Quarters...All hands...Battle Stations The sailors take their posts and the Marines flak up and lock and load. Then we wait for the Red Sun to rise.
This one scene alone was better than all of the "Star Trek" material that came after it. I really appreciate the tone of finality to it and to the entire film, one last mission to save the world and establish peace. It's not the high-point for humanity or for the Federation, but the last major threat to a diminished, even jaded Federation, before it can turn back to rebuilding, and to the mission of scientific exploration. It's a good place to end such a remarkable achievement of the arts that envisions a hopeful future that is enlightened and enlivened by an appreciation of our past and brings its best traditions of human civilization to fulfillment, while still recognizing the struggles of individuals and societies - that no civilization we can imagine will ever be utopian, nor should it be, because it is the journey that makes us. To the journey!
Picard radiates such an insurmountable amount of gravitas and competence that no other character in all of Star Trek can even remotely compare. Maybe the original Spock on a good day. In fact, I think the only characters in all of Sci-Fi that are somewhat compareable in that are Obi-Wan Kenobi and TRS William Adama.
As many times as I saw this movie, I can't get enough of the Ent-E's flybys. I know a lot of TNG fans like the Ent-D more (and they did her dirty, real dirty in Generations), I love the Ent-E. I just wish we got the Ent-D and Ent-E treatment in Picard S3, E 10 blowing up the Borg cube. That would've been f@cking bada$$.
Has anyone else noticed that no matter whether it be fictional or real life, the military way of thinking bonds a crew together for life. Granted, there are a few exceptions but that is the same for life.
Great writing, screenplay and acting. It shows the command crew a last time together. And it also shows the determination and professionalism of starfleet, as the crew readies the ship for combat. And the tense feeling of Picard, that he just can wait for the battle to come, since he doesnt know where his enemy is, he just does what he can do....prepare, plan, wait....
I really wish the producers had allowed Geordie to lose the visor way before the second movie. His character plays so much better when you can see his eyes. On a different note, this is an underrated movie. It saddens me that its poor box office performance put an end to _Star Trek_ on the big screen until JJ Abrams showed up to piss on the ashes.
i think it's the only time Picard used that phrase I've got to say seeing this Enterprise prepare for battle shows just how much the federation changed from the galaxy class days
Mostly Riker ordered the Crew to Battle Stations after Picard announced Red Alert. For example in First Contact before the Enterprise Crew joined the Fight with the Borg Cube in Orbit of Earth.
well the phaser rifles with the foregrips are actually good as you still have the aiming control and there is no recoil so the stock doesn't actually serve that much of a purpose. I mean personally I love this design more but yeah
@@gdfgaming9378 No, it does matter, a LOT. Think of the shoulder as a hinge for the weapon to swing and pivot on. The stability of this pivot point determines how quickly and accurately you get on target. If you don't have a stock, your pivot point is instead your rear grip, which is far slower and less precise than using your shoulder. If you're wearing an eyepiece with a targeting overlay, you can get away with it as you'll always be aware of where the weapon is pointing, but if you're relying on targeting on the weapon your sights won't be very stable when you're holding the weapon up that high. Basically, only Data could hope to use the old-style phaser rifles effectively.
@@WardenWolf While the phaserrifle design makes sense,i mean,there is a reason the basic design hasn´t changed over around 500 years as of today...Why the hell are they so brittle?...I mean...Guys,it´s the 24th century...atleast make them as a melee weapon as the HK G3...Which would ironically be far more effective against the borg with proper aim^^
@@NashmanNash Shields will still stop a bullet once they adapt. The Borg's greatest weakness is their reliance on oxygen and lack of standard-issue spacesuits. Put your guys in spacesuits then depressurize the compartment and watch them drop dead.
Unpopular opinion: the soundtrack of Nemesis is FANTASTIC. Yes, it's more subdued and less grandiose than Insurrection or First Contact (widely considered Goldsmith's best Trek scores), but it's very atmospheric. It sets the eerie (or epic) mood for every single scene.
I don't care w/ other opinion; but Nemesis always my most favourite startrek movie ever! The only movie accurately depicted how space battle in Startrek actually is. The detail, the battle, & their act are all awesome. The only part i a bit disappointed is they didn't make it to rendezvous w/ the omega fleet. Those elite fleet consist best of the best starfleet's veterans.
@@rollie2001 Picard season 3 is goodish, but it only is because they brought back everyone from the old crew. The entire season is riding on nostalgia fumes only, and while the Changelings posed a great danger and were a great villain, the Borg were kinda a joke at the end. I would have preferred it if they left out the Borg and made it a Changling only plot. So all in all I would rate Picard S3 the best of Picard, but its still only getting upper middle points, maybe a 6.5-7 out of 10. I think both seasons of Strange New Worlds are far better than Picard S3, as is pretty much all of Lower Decks.
Sound General quarters, this is no drill! Direction of travel is starboard forward and up and port is aft and down... some things will never change and humanity WILL bring their naval traditions to the stars...
Unfortunately, Gates McFadden refused to age gracefully and wrecked her looks with plastic surgery. But, yes, up to that point, she's easily among the most attractive females in all of Star Trek.
cuz Geordi had likely consulted with Data, who himself had been on the Scimitar ...... so if the two of them said it was impenetrable, damnit it was. LOL
Apparently, unlike the Klingon version, they can't track the gas...either that, or the TNG crew is that much weaker than the team of Spock and McCoy...
The one that bothered me about this movie, and especially Insurrection, was the Enterprise being portrayed as weak. This especially bothered me with the Sona ships. The Enterprise E led an assault which destroyed a Borg cube in First Contact. It was a very powerful ship.
"Strength in numbers" Sounds like a juicy target to me. Fortunately, he needs Picard alive, so he can't use the planet-sterilizing weapon on that fleet. Unless he's confident or desperate enough to gamble on capturing Picard's medical records aboard the Enterprise which is known to include a full genetic profile... Which could be used to synthesize blood or a suitable substitute.
This movie could have been so much better than it’s plot turned out to be. I would have been more invested in the plot if we somehow learned the Romulans during the war had really got that thaloron device from repurposed and stolen genocidal Dominion tech. That sort of “wipe all of them out” attitude was just their M.O. The failed Picard experiment was more due to them melding their own failed cloning technology with the superior Dominion one as well. Hell, the motivation for revenge might even have been tied into the possibility that somehow they discovered Sisco’s deception from The Pale Moonlight and the Remans wanted revenge for their ungodly casualties from the war (Romulans used them as canon fodder). That thread could have been left as an unbelievable possibility at the end of the movie that the crew either never believes, weren’t able to confirm, or MUST keep to themselves (though Picard’s code of ethics probably would have made him spill it, but oh the torture…). Anything other than the B4 or B9 or whatever his name was and a contrived Data death scene…
All other concerns until a 60 year old guy feels it necessary to confront his clone and beam himself over to fight a ship full of Remans. Instead of the Android. Or the Klingon. Or basically anyone that is a trained expert in close-quarters combat.
Nemesis generally gets a bad rap but I think it’s an awesome movie. I’m 53 and have been a Trekkie for as long as I can remember. As far as I’m concerned, the only bad movie was No. 5!!
I might need to rewatch this, did in theatre as a child wide eyed because i loved anything sci-fi really, my dad and sister fell asleep during the film and i didnt understand why, found out later the movie was heavily criticised and unpopular. Ive mostly completely forgotten it but been doing a recent rewatch of all the series and movies, I skipped this one because i knew i had seen it. All i remember is finding Tom Hardy weird (then being surprised years later it was Tom Hardy), Janeways Cameo, Troi and Rikers wedding and being Sad that data died. I mean I just watched Insurrection and it just couldnt hold me and i barely remember it and i still remember bits of this from watching it as a child.
Who here wishes that the Enterprise could have made it to the nebula where the Federation fleet was waiting? I would have loved to have seen that battle against the Scimitar. And how was the Scimitar able to catch up to the Enterprise if it was going maximum warp? That would mean the Scimitar was able to go past warp 10 if the Enterprise was capable of 9.9?
Maximum warp on a Sovereign is 9.996(which is slightly faster than the Intrepid at 9.96). Given the OP nature of the Reman Warbird I'd estimate she can do 9.998 without breaking a sweat. Remember that Shinzon was trying to prove he could triumph over Picard(The triumph of the echo over the voice) Starfleet kinda broke the mold with the Sovereign as it was the culmination of EVERYTHING they put into the Defiant and intrepid class ships
IIRC, warp speed is analogous to the sound barrier. The faster you go, the greater those miniscule 1/1000ths are. But in Trek, warp 10 balances the E=mc² equation back out, even inside the ship's warp field, requiring the Infinite Energy that Einstein talked about. The ship would have to be moving all of space-time around itself, warped or not. And I think it was Les Landau who floated the idea that engineers have to replace the warp scale every so often to keep up with warp drive advances, making Kirk's warp 6 equivalent to Picard's warp 8.
The fact that the phaser rifles were in wall panels makes sense as instead of having to go to the amoury any crew member with high enough clearance can walk up to any weapon locker input a code and there the have weapons
The way the rifles were stored in the walls is a waste of space. In that space they could’ve fit at least 5 times the rifles. They should’ve had them on a rack like the armory in First Contact.
@@VincentPascual As long as there are still enough rifles for each crewmen it isnt a problem. A Sovereign is massive. Not as massive as a Galaxy but still massive, with very little crew for its size.
The idea of a perfect cloak in space has always bugged me. I can understand the theories of bending em spectrums including light to make it invisible to vision and radar or other similar sensors. I can understand creating IR Heat baffles to prevent a heat seeker torpedo like in Star Trek FInal Frontier. But A ship as large as the scimitar powered by likely a standard Romulan designed artificial singularity warp core would have one thing that shouldn't be hidable. A gravity mass "shadow" that is constantly moving at high impulse speeds. The Enterprise has sensors fine tuned enough to track the gravitic signature of Dark Matter while heavily damaged. It makes no sense that they can't pick up the gravity signature of the Scimitar.
yeah that always bugged me too. im a writer and in one of the books im working on they use sensors that detect the impact atoms inspacetime insuch a way as to be able to map out and tell you the size, shape, and makeup of anyobject no matter hwo well you cloak it. subspace sensors should be able to detect similar effects. at a certain point sensors become so good that there is no way to cloak anything.
"Captain, sensors are detecting an incoming pedant! Receiving communication. He says the heat seeking torpedo was from Star Trek The Undiscovered Country not The Final Frontier." How to correct a mistake without coming across as a pedantic git. Hopefully.
“Battle Stations” is a Command which requires No Qualifiers. If “Battle Stations” didn’t Apply to All Hands, No Other Command ever would. And “Battle Stations” is a Command which doesn’t need repeating and is unlike any other. Spoken Once, instantly understood and immediately Obeyed.
But that's just the way it is, It happens to this day on navel ships.. The call is general quarters all hands to battle stations or man your battle stations, Or all hands battle stations.. There are other commands that don't involve everyone on ship needing to prepare for battle so it's common to say all hands even if it's obvious in context.
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" And like a thousand other commanders on a thousand other battlefields, I wait for the dawn." Great line
That's my favorite line too man.
Door. It's door
Crew X "Captain, there is no dawn in space. Do you need medical assistance. You are talking out loud to nobody. I'm a red shirt crew, captain. Will I survive unlike the officers?"
"no answer then and you just walk away from me, well thats just superb, should I update my will again if I get a chance?"
Picard: "the darkest hour is just before the dawn"
Crew person X " should the red shirts just take the escape pods now captain? "
His final captains log to date
Should have ended with, "we ride at dawn!!"
"We're heading toward federation space at maximum warp, the crew has responded with the dedication I've come to expect from them, and like a thousand other commanders on a thousand other battlefields, I wait for the dawn"
"He must not be allowed to use that weapon. All other concerns are secondary. You understand me?" - some of the most chilling words Picard ever said.
Its not even a question. He knows they understand it. Its a great scene of this crew in a flawed movie.
So Im going to beam over to fight him hand to hand.... Worf? nah... Data? nah... Riker? nah... I've got this.. even though I got my ass handed to me by an old man in Generations and literally ANYONE in security would be better capable of handling this, I have to do it... because...reasons...
@@alexrompen805 Star Trek: Reasons
@@alexrompen805 Worf gets his ass handed to him ALL time. He shouldn’t, but he does. Save for maybe 3 or 4 times.
It's weird that at the beginning of the movie it was a moment of joy for the crew as they were celebrating Riker and Troi's wedding and now they're in for the Battle of they're lives and the lives of the entire Federation to stop a homicidal madman whose out to destroy the Federation with a ship that has the perfect cloaking device and they can't target they're weapons against it till they manage to get a hit with the phasers and only if they have an empath like Troi or someone like her onboard because without any of that the crews of those ships are fighting blind and like what Billy said in the first Predator movie 'They were shooting in all directions'.
Honestly loved the Dominion War era uniforms. It just showcased the darker and more warlike attitude of Starfleet of the time.
Most definitely…. My favorite star fleet uniform hands down 👍
I agree. Definitely my favourite with Star Trek II to VI uniforms a close second.
Agreed
how does the CGI look better of the soveriegn class then even picard series
this is my most favourite uniform
Scriptwriter and effect designer: How much epicness do you want?
Director: Yes
Baird did do some things right, but he did fail in others.
@@samsonguy10k Given how "Nemesis" was directed by someone who had no idea about ST, the movie turned out rather well... although I think this had more to do with the Actors' expertise and familiarity with their roles. If Baird had worked with a cast/crew that lacked Trek-related experience, it would have turned out differently.
@@kuribayashi84 that was one credit to Baird that he did allow the actors to go with what they knew. He is a good editor, but letting him direct was a poor move by paramount
Director: How much bad storyline and scripting you want?
Scriptwriter: YES!
I think it a great star trek film.
I love the way Patrick Stewart a.k.a. Captain Picard says “all hands, battle stations,”. You know in that moment, it’s go time.
when the diplomat says battle stations you know some shit is about to go down
@@AnvilMAn603 Even if it would´ve made no sense at all,i would´ve liked to see Q fistfight a reman on the Enterprise just to leave after saying"Boxing with Sisco gave me a reason to train"^^
So true, and I suspect so many of us yearn for the sense of challenge that call to arms involves.
when he says it - you know everyone will walk into a fire for him, audience included. he personifies leadership.
@@meowcula indeed
"You understand me".....those words spoken so softly and purposefully from Picard indicate the importance of what he is saying and that his senior officers understand the gravity of what they face. What a great actor!
He meant "Even if this lunatic has me on his ship and is about to fire the weapon, you destroy him.". That's why the extra gravity behind it.
"So let me get this straight, there's a Reman dreadnought with a "perfect" cloak hunting us down for my blood. With that in mind you plotted a course through a small nebula which would cut off communications and prevent us from calling for help? How does this not scream 'bad idea'?"
*A wild Scimitar appears...*
It’s one of the best battles of the movies but any outside the box thinker could have cracked it open. If the Enterprise had deployed a shuttle that jumped to high warp all it had to was get past the rift and whistle up the rest of the Enterprise’s battle group. The scimitar was able to body three ships not used to working together. Not a cohesive unit leftover from the Dominion War
@@patsfreak Even worse...there was apparently no plan that said"If the Enterprise does not contact us shortly before entering the nebula,and even worse,right after the amount of time it would take to cross it,we ignore all regulations and treatys and head into the basen rift"
Not to mention that the Valdore/Moira/Norexan whatever type Warbirds are not much stronger than a domion war galaxy,according to beta canon...
Not seen the film for a long time, but wasn't there a Federation battle fleet hiding in the Nebula, and the Enterprise was bait... ?
@@jaybeebee9288 No..the fleet was lightyears away and the enterprise flew brainlessly through that nebula
I'm not gonna hold that against them, whether the in-universe characters or the writers.
The Enterprise had to go as fast as it could to unite with the rest of Starfleet. Taking the shortest, fastest course through space likely meant going through the Bassen Rift even if it could interfere with communications.
Going around the nebula to maintain communications wouldn't be better if the longer route allowed the Scimitar to catch up to it. The Enterprise was outclassed by the Scimitar enough. Even if communications was maintained, it may not have saved the Enterprise in that scenario since it would still take time for the rest of the fleet to get to her.
And, yeah, despite the direct route through the nebula, the Scimitar still caught up to the Enterprise. Sometimes you can pick what seems to be the right choice and still lose. That's not weakness; that's life.
I like this scene because it undermines the critics who said that Picard ramming the Enterprise into the Scimitar was overkill and unnecessary, done only for effect.
Right here he makes it clear what the stakes are, and that their lives are meaningless compared to the gravity of their mission.
It still undermines it. Or at least, is as pointless as the mission Ol' Picard clone is on. Having such a messy, poorly written villain doomed the rest of the plot. If the stakes were so important they wouldn't have put forth ideas such as . "Well, we'll just wait here, on the edge of this communications-blocking nebula, for a message from the Enterprise, which is likely inside the communications-blocking nebula..."
The concept is cool, but the moment you look at anything larger than this tiny snippet of the movie you realise it absolutely was done for effect.
@@ArchieZeroOne I'm not saying Stewart carried the movie, but he did one hell of a better job than Abrams at delivering his lines :P
Besides, a better example of why it was done for effect is that stupid line of "Self Destruct Sequence malfunctioning".
Nevermind how or why thats even POSSIBLE, just tell Geordi to purposely sabotage the warp reactor.
I don't see any speech justifying smushing Guinan into the Scimitar.
@@DarkestVampire92 "Nevermind how or why thats even POSSIBLE"
Imagine that a spaceship has control circuits. Now imagine that said circuits can suffer battle damage, and that damage causes them to stop working. There you go.
@@isodoubIet We've literally seen people threatening to destroy the Enterprise by pointing a Phaser at the warp core. Photon torpedos were modified to be breaching charges and demolition devices before.
IF the plot allowed for it, there would've been a million ways to destroy the ship and take Scimitar with it.
This is the last time they all were together.
And the exchange. "You understand me." Riker takes the room. "Yes sir." Like, this is our last hurrah. Let's do it.
Starfleet has a history of all or nothing. They had to. The Xindii, the Romulans, the Klingons, and then much later the Dominion. Always amuses me when some alien laughs at how weak a human is. They never consider the spirit or their allies.
All other concerns are secondary.
@@samsonguy10k never push the pink skins to the thin ice
Data understood him.... :(
@@samsonguy10k and guile
I always liked the way Geordi said “no” in response to getting past the cloak
Little did he know, there was someone there with a trick up her sleeve. Made me happy when she finally gave in and started using her telepathy full bore. It was pretty obvious throughout the series that she was more than just an empath, but she held back because of fear.
@@samsonguy10k in a way we saw it in the very first TNG episode as she and riker meet again. I never liked the glib excuse that she could send him her thoughts because of them beeing former lovers
@@momokochama1844 yup. That was a major character trait that was tossed aside for no good reason.
Me too. Usually it’s “well, we can try “this” or “that” or some kind of resonance burst from the warp core.”
@@ratclone I liked his "it'll take fifteen years and a research crew of a hundred" line better, but this was good too.
When Captain Picard calls you to "battle stations," by golly, you get to BATTLE STATIONS!
The ship wide echo when he says it just gives you chills. Makes it so great!
I imagine watching the crew prepare was what it was like on every federation ship during the Dominion War.
The music track would perfectly fit a “The Pacific / Band of Brothers“ Style Anthology Series called “Tales of the Dominion War“
Gee... just imagine what it must have been like in REAL wars, Slick.
smh
And then your unfortunate enough to be on one of those ships blown up with a single hit, what an anticlimax!
I would replicate katanas for boarding parties.
"Our fleet is going to meet us at this spot, but we have to traverse this patch of space where we're almost assuredly going to be ambushed."
Unavoidable. Only the Enterprise had been invited to Romulus. At the time Starfleet didn't know whether the Romulans stood with Shinzon and the Remans or not. The Federation wasn't in the habit of instigating war. Their one time of doing it, blockading the Bajoran Wormhole outside of their jurisdiction, sunk them in a war they almost lost and cost them dearly. They had to do it by the book this time and make it clear the Romulans were the first aggressors. It is an important point where allies and Federation members are concerned.
This was a very good point to make in the story.
@@samsonguy10k they had been routinely violating dominion space for years before that, and when asked to stop immediately did it again
@@samsonguy10k It MUST´ve been known to Starfleet what the Basen rift is though...atleast plan something like"Right before u enter it,send a quick signal,right after you leave it,do the same...If we do not get a signal,we will move at maximum warp toward the rift"
It’s not like space is massively huge and we could go left, right, up, down, at an angle, around and back, or anything like that.
@@NashmanNash Okay, that would have been a good idea.
Watching the enterprise crew gearing up for battle, sends a shiver down my spine. To perfect.
Little did they know this was the last time they would all be sitting together for 30 years.
I love Star Trek so much.. Nemesis was the first trek movie I saw after watching Voyager, when the movie came out I remember myself as a 14 years old kid going around all over in the streets of Tel Aviv asking in the DVD shops if they have this movie.. after many searches my parents found one, and not just one, but the Hebrew version of this film's DVD, I still have it, the cool DVD and the good memories:)
I hope you aren't like most people in Tel Aviv, supporting the cardassian occupation of bajor.
@@noabsolutelynot3660 That is the most antisemitic equivocation I've ever heard. Truly disgraceful.
I agree. I never get bored of Nemesis. The best TNG film.
I actually cried when I learned this movie was going to be the end of Data and saw how he sacrificed himself to save the Enterprise and his shipmates devastating to say the least.
Spoiler alert!! 😅
Ah.. but he came back to us eventually.
Shinzon: "I need your blood Picard. In order for me to live!"
Picard: "Well, thanks to replicator technology we can give you however much you need. A hundred litres do? We can whip it up in a couple of hours. Would you like some tea while we wait?"
Love this scene, music, crews dedication
Even Q himself watches this scene from time to time with popcorn and chills!
I watched this Presentation Series years ago. I have come to the conclusion that: 'hate', 'vicious ' , 'revenge,' 'war' , 'destruction' is no different in the 24th Century as it was in the 20th, and into the 21st. Nothing has changed , except the creatures involved.
The worlds no Sailor or Marine ever wants to hear but is always ready for....General Quarters...All hands...Battle Stations The sailors take their posts and the Marines flak up and lock and load. Then we wait for the Red Sun to rise.
Damn... goosebumps allover the place. Great scene!
This one scene alone was better than all of the "Star Trek" material that came after it. I really appreciate the tone of finality to it and to the entire film, one last mission to save the world and establish peace. It's not the high-point for humanity or for the Federation, but the last major threat to a diminished, even jaded Federation, before it can turn back to rebuilding, and to the mission of scientific exploration. It's a good place to end such a remarkable achievement of the arts that envisions a hopeful future that is enlightened and enlivened by an appreciation of our past and brings its best traditions of human civilization to fulfillment, while still recognizing the struggles of individuals and societies - that no civilization we can imagine will ever be utopian, nor should it be, because it is the journey that makes us. To the journey!
Star trek enterprise wasn't bad tho. But otherwise... yeah, I agree
This movie wasn't the best trek ever but this scene...wow.. amazing!
Picard radiates such an insurmountable amount of gravitas and competence that no other character in all of Star Trek can even remotely compare. Maybe the original Spock on a good day. In fact, I think the only characters in all of Sci-Fi that are somewhat compareable in that are Obi-Wan Kenobi and TRS William Adama.
Only one pick there, cause I agree with for the most part, but Kirk always has his guile...
They destroyed him in star trek picard
Obi Wan, not even remotely. Adama, kind of
A mature Riker is pretty close. Or I dare say Jellico from chain of command who I thought was a great strong commander.
Yeah Picard, Adama, and sometimes Kirk and Riker are the only people who really give that sense of... dramaticness for the lack of a better word
Best scene in the movie
Very much so. The soundtrack for this part where they prepare for battle is very fitting.
It almost, almost single handedly saves this movie
Classic Star Trek TNG meeting in the briefing room
Would've been even better if the warp nacelles were visible through the windows though #STTNGthrowback
@@wierdalien1 THIS MOVIE IS BETTER THAN ALL OF THE NEW TREK COMBINED.
I really LOVED this film!!!! Picard and crew are beyond exceptional in this scene.
I get goose bumps in this seen, it is by far the best. They know the odds are against them, but they’re still going to give them hell.
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As many times as I saw this movie, I can't get enough of the Ent-E's flybys. I know a lot of TNG fans like the Ent-D more (and they did her dirty, real dirty in Generations), I love the Ent-E. I just wish we got the Ent-D and Ent-E treatment in Picard S3, E 10 blowing up the Borg cube. That would've been f@cking bada$$.
This movie isn't perfect but it's still a fun film with some great moments like this!
Agreed.
Has anyone else noticed that no matter whether it be fictional or real life, the military way of thinking bonds a crew together for life. Granted, there are a few exceptions but that is the same for life.
I know people don't like this movie but the battles were great.
I love this scene. Gives me chills every time.
Are those the chills you're looking for?
I've seen this movie once. The rest of the TNG ones I've watched multiple times. I just can't bring myself to watch this one again. Too heartbreaking.
I know data dies
But it Epic.
Then you'd hate watching the end of Season 1 of Picard.
@@GunnerM60 cause it wasn't soul crushing enough to watch Data die once!
Great writing, screenplay and acting. It shows the command crew a last time together. And it also shows the determination and professionalism of starfleet, as the crew readies the ship for combat. And the tense feeling of Picard, that he just can wait for the battle to come, since he doesnt know where his enemy is, he just does what he can do....prepare, plan, wait....
Star Trek- the greatest series of all time.
This was just an excellent movie.
I agree. Nemesis was an excellent film (in my opinion)
I really wish the producers had allowed Geordie to lose the visor way before the second movie. His character plays so much better when you can see his eyes.
On a different note, this is an underrated movie. It saddens me that its poor box office performance put an end to _Star Trek_ on the big screen until JJ Abrams showed up to piss on the ashes.
"All other concerns are secondary... I'm talking to you Data"
He was more so speaking to Riker, Troi, and Crusher .... who were about to disembark from the Enterprise-E after this mission.
@@dhinton1 i was joking
i think it's the only time Picard used that phrase
I've got to say seeing this Enterprise prepare for battle shows just how much the federation changed from the galaxy class days
Mostly Riker ordered the Crew to Battle Stations after Picard announced Red Alert. For example in First Contact before the Enterprise Crew joined the Fight with the Borg Cube in Orbit of Earth.
Goldsmith was on fire for this track. So, so good.
This is the movie that made me fall in love with star trek ♥️
I was a goner long before this. Khan (Ricardo Montalban) was the moment for me.
Anyone else just happy they finally got stocks on their phaser rifles so they can finally actually hit stuff with them?
well the phaser rifles with the foregrips are actually good as you still have the aiming control and there is no recoil so the stock doesn't actually serve that much of a purpose. I mean personally I love this design more but yeah
@@gdfgaming9378 No, it does matter, a LOT. Think of the shoulder as a hinge for the weapon to swing and pivot on. The stability of this pivot point determines how quickly and accurately you get on target. If you don't have a stock, your pivot point is instead your rear grip, which is far slower and less precise than using your shoulder. If you're wearing an eyepiece with a targeting overlay, you can get away with it as you'll always be aware of where the weapon is pointing, but if you're relying on targeting on the weapon your sights won't be very stable when you're holding the weapon up that high. Basically, only Data could hope to use the old-style phaser rifles effectively.
@@WardenWolf While the phaserrifle design makes sense,i mean,there is a reason the basic design hasn´t changed over around 500 years as of today...Why the hell are they so brittle?...I mean...Guys,it´s the 24th century...atleast make them as a melee weapon as the HK G3...Which would ironically be far more effective against the borg with proper aim^^
@@NashmanNash Shields will still stop a bullet once they adapt. The Borg's greatest weakness is their reliance on oxygen and lack of standard-issue spacesuits. Put your guys in spacesuits then depressurize the compartment and watch them drop dead.
@@WardenWolf - I don't recall the Borg wandering about on the Enterprise's deflector dish in First Contact needing oxygen, do you?
Freaking musical score gets me every time
Unpopular opinion: the soundtrack of Nemesis is FANTASTIC. Yes, it's more subdued and less grandiose than Insurrection or First Contact (widely considered Goldsmith's best Trek scores), but it's very atmospheric. It sets the eerie (or epic) mood for every single scene.
Old Picard was the best. He epitomised leadership.
Picard all hands battle stations that always gives me chills 🍻
I'll bet when Starfleet saw Romulan ships helping bring the Enterprise home after it's battle with the Scimitar must've been one hell of a shock.
I don't care w/ other opinion; but Nemesis always my most favourite startrek movie ever! The only movie accurately depicted how space battle in Startrek actually is. The detail, the battle, & their act are all awesome.
The only part i a bit disappointed is they didn't make it to rendezvous w/ the omega fleet. Those elite fleet consist best of the best starfleet's veterans.
This is real Star Trek 👍🏽
This movie is such a mixed bag of good and bad, but this is one of the best scenes.
I think we’re missing Commander Burnham having an emotional fit or outburst in tears at the table... god I miss the crew from TNG!!!!
Omg yes. Crying, being melodramatic and a bad actor by over acting the scene of being too emotional for what the particular scene warranted.
Why can’t we have real Star Trek like this anymore :(
We do. Since 2017.
@BemaSaberwyn we do right now, picard S3.
@@rollie2001 Picard season 3 is goodish, but it only is because they brought back everyone from the old crew. The entire season is riding on nostalgia fumes only, and while the Changelings posed a great danger and were a great villain, the Borg were kinda a joke at the end. I would have preferred it if they left out the Borg and made it a Changling only plot. So all in all I would rate Picard S3 the best of Picard, but its still only getting upper middle points, maybe a 6.5-7 out of 10. I think both seasons of Strange New Worlds are far better than Picard S3, as is pretty much all of Lower Decks.
Awesome special effects, set design...time to bring this back :)
I just love this scene and shows how the crew and Picard gets prepared for battle
The hero ship rushing in where eagles fear to tread.
This is how i like my Star Trek.
Raw, finality, impeccable drama.
I chuckled when Geordi said, “Initiate force field”. Didn’t the force field drop at the first shot fired on the Enterprise? 😂
Well without it the warp core would be gone I presume 🤣🤣
I've watched this movie so many times that I've lost count.
Not a perfect movie by any means, but I do still enjoy it.
I just love how that forcefield is basically the 1st thing that shuts off after the 1st attack of the Warpird 1:48 🙃 ps: still, awesome scene
"Initiate the forcefield!"
"Oh cool, Geordi, what does that do?"
"Literally nothing!"
In case a fire fight starts in engineering so no stray shots hit the warp core
Have you seen a coolent leak? I know the forcefield doesn't do much but it at least buys the engineers time to get the hell out if somthing went wrong
it shines blue xD
@@jordanreed3675 Precisely. They knew they were going to be boarded and engineering is as good place as any to send in troops.
@@samsonguy10k maybe even better than some other places - you control the main power source, you control more or less the whole ship
Nemesis wasn’t the best Star Trek movie but the end battle was one of the best in Star Trek.
In my opinion the best of all films ❤
Data knew the assignment.
Still can't believe Ron Perlman was in this movie as the Reman Viceroy.
Sound General quarters, this is no drill! Direction of travel is starboard forward and up and port is aft and down... some things will never change and humanity WILL bring their naval traditions to the stars...
despite what some might think of this movie, this scene gave me chills
The damned Scimitar right behind them the whole time.
This felt like a 10-minute clip to me. It's too much epicness for 3 minutes and 31 seconds.
Epicness compresses the space timeline continuum. It WAS 10 minutes
00:48 Crusher just gets hotter and hotter each year, it seems!
She's just---------------------ridiculous.
Unfortunately, Gates McFadden refused to age gracefully and wrecked her looks with plastic surgery. But, yes, up to that point, she's easily among the most attractive females in all of Star Trek.
She's the medical officer you don't want to mess with.
You do, and you'll see how fast she'll throw your butt into the hospital.
I like how nobody questions geordi's assessment that the cloak is impenetrable.
If Geordi or Montgomery Scott say it---it's true; there isn't a debate.
cuz Geordi had likely consulted with Data, who himself had been on the Scimitar ...... so if the two of them said it was impenetrable, damnit it was. LOL
@@cothren6504 same for B'Elanna Torres and (especially) Seven of Nine
Apparently, unlike the Klingon version, they can't track the gas...either that, or the TNG crew is that much weaker than the team of Spock and McCoy...
Nice muzzle awareness from the genius at 1:56 that decided it was a great idea to unholster a sidearm and set it to kill on the freaking bridge.
The one that bothered me about this movie, and especially Insurrection, was the Enterprise being portrayed as weak. This especially bothered me with the Sona ships. The Enterprise E led an assault which destroyed a Borg cube in First Contact. It was a very powerful ship.
Classic villain snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Got chills when he said, all hands, battle stations..
"Strength in numbers"
Sounds like a juicy target to me. Fortunately, he needs Picard alive, so he can't use the planet-sterilizing weapon on that fleet. Unless he's confident or desperate enough to gamble on capturing Picard's medical records aboard the Enterprise which is known to include a full genetic profile... Which could be used to synthesize blood or a suitable substitute.
i like those new fancy starfleet security procedures
And like a thousand other fans of a thousand other movies, I had to wait for it to come out on vhs...😢
This movie could have been so much better than it’s plot turned out to be. I would have been more invested in the plot if we somehow learned the Romulans during the war had really got that thaloron device from repurposed and stolen genocidal Dominion tech. That sort of “wipe all of them out” attitude was just their M.O. The failed Picard experiment was more due to them melding their own failed cloning technology with the superior Dominion one as well. Hell, the motivation for revenge might even have been tied into the possibility that somehow they discovered Sisco’s deception from The Pale Moonlight and the Remans wanted revenge for their ungodly casualties from the war (Romulans used them as canon fodder). That thread could have been left as an unbelievable possibility at the end of the movie that the crew either never believes, weren’t able to confirm, or MUST keep to themselves (though Picard’s code of ethics probably would have made him spill it, but oh the torture…). Anything other than the B4 or B9 or whatever his name was and a contrived Data death scene…
"He must not be allowed to use that weapon. All other concerns are secondary. You understand me?"
All other concerns until a 60 year old guy feels it necessary to confront his clone and beam himself over to fight a ship full of Remans. Instead of the Android. Or the Klingon. Or basically anyone that is a trained expert in close-quarters combat.
"There's no way to get past the cloak?"
"No."
"What about the PoWeR oF mAtH?"
Ron P sneaking in like we cant see him..😂😂
Nemesis generally gets a bad rap but I think it’s an awesome movie. I’m 53 and have been a Trekkie for as long as I can remember. As far as I’m concerned, the only bad movie was No. 5!!
I might need to rewatch this, did in theatre as a child wide eyed because i loved anything sci-fi really, my dad and sister fell asleep during the film and i didnt understand why, found out later the movie was heavily criticised and unpopular. Ive mostly completely forgotten it but been doing a recent rewatch of all the series and movies, I skipped this one because i knew i had seen it. All i remember is finding Tom Hardy weird (then being surprised years later it was Tom Hardy), Janeways Cameo, Troi and Rikers wedding and being Sad that data died. I mean I just watched Insurrection and it just couldnt hold me and i barely remember it and i still remember bits of this from watching it as a child.
The role that almost ended Tom Hardy's brilliant career.
Before it even began!
You so can see the shift in tone from the enterpise D and itswide open corridors to the E and its angled walls.
Who here wishes that the Enterprise could have made it to the nebula where the Federation fleet was waiting? I would have loved to have seen that battle against the Scimitar. And how was the Scimitar able to catch up to the Enterprise if it was going maximum warp? That would mean the Scimitar was able to go past warp 10 if the Enterprise was capable of 9.9?
enterprise-e maximum sustained warp is warp 8 i believe. but its no secret the schimitar outclasses the enterprise in every way anyways.
Maximum warp on a Sovereign is 9.996(which is slightly faster than the Intrepid at 9.96). Given the OP nature of the Reman Warbird I'd estimate she can do 9.998 without breaking a sweat. Remember that Shinzon was trying to prove he could triumph over Picard(The triumph of the echo over the voice) Starfleet kinda broke the mold with the Sovereign as it was the culmination of EVERYTHING they put into the Defiant and intrepid class ships
IIRC, warp speed is analogous to the sound barrier. The faster you go, the greater those miniscule 1/1000ths are. But in Trek, warp 10 balances the E=mc² equation back out, even inside the ship's warp field, requiring the Infinite Energy that Einstein talked about. The ship would have to be moving all of space-time around itself, warped or not. And I think it was Les Landau who floated the idea that engineers have to replace the warp scale every so often to keep up with warp drive advances, making Kirk's warp 6 equivalent to Picard's warp 8.
Back when Startrek was Startrek.
battle music for WOWS!
It did have one of the best battles.
I'll never understand why this movie got so much hate. I thought it was well thought, great plot and plenty of action.
nemesis is unfairly blamed for killing the movies it's a solid movie
This is a great movie
The fact that the phaser rifles were in wall panels makes sense as instead of having to go to the amoury any crew member with high enough clearance can walk up to any weapon locker input a code and there the have weapons
The way the rifles were stored in the walls is a waste of space. In that space they could’ve fit at least 5 times the rifles. They should’ve had them on a rack like the armory in First Contact.
@@VincentPascual As long as there are still enough rifles for each crewmen it isnt a problem. A Sovereign is massive. Not as massive as a Galaxy but still massive, with very little crew for its size.
The next time all seven of them would be in the same room would be over 20 Years later.
The idea of a perfect cloak in space has always bugged me. I can understand the theories of bending em spectrums including light to make it invisible to vision and radar or other similar sensors. I can understand creating IR Heat baffles to prevent a heat seeker torpedo like in Star Trek FInal Frontier. But A ship as large as the scimitar powered by likely a standard Romulan designed artificial singularity warp core would have one thing that shouldn't be hidable. A gravity mass "shadow" that is constantly moving at high impulse speeds. The Enterprise has sensors fine tuned enough to track the gravitic signature of Dark Matter while heavily damaged. It makes no sense that they can't pick up the gravity signature of the Scimitar.
Or they're in a damn nebula so a vessel that large should displace a crap-ton of gas. Just look for the "There's a moving hole in the gas right here."
yeah that always bugged me too. im a writer and in one of the books im working on they use sensors that detect the impact atoms inspacetime insuch a way as to be able to map out and tell you the size, shape, and makeup of anyobject no matter hwo well you cloak it. subspace sensors should be able to detect similar effects. at a certain point sensors become so good that there is no way to cloak anything.
Even just the ship would have a very easily detected gravitational displacement
"Captain, sensors are detecting an incoming pedant! Receiving communication. He says the heat seeking torpedo was from Star Trek The Undiscovered Country not The Final Frontier."
How to correct a mistake without coming across as a pedantic git. Hopefully.
“Battle Stations” is a Command which requires No Qualifiers.
If “Battle Stations” didn’t Apply to All Hands, No Other Command ever would.
And “Battle Stations” is a Command which doesn’t need repeating and is unlike any other.
Spoken Once, instantly understood and immediately Obeyed.
But that's just the way it is, It happens to this day on navel ships.. The call is general quarters all hands to battle stations or man your battle stations, Or all hands battle stations.. There are other commands that don't involve everyone on ship needing to prepare for battle so it's common to say all hands even if it's obvious in context.
2:21 in my head canon, that’s Lt Munro from the Hazard team he’s speaking to