You mean butternut shells not the husks of butternut squash. Butternut trees don’t grow that far north but the shells have been found at the Meadows site.
@@AtunSheiFilms Love what you’re doing friend. My family had a summer house on PEI, so I spent a lot of time in the gulf of Saint Lawrence growing up; needless to say I’m very fond of these videos. Check out the new Laurent Binet novel ‘civilizations’ if you want a little more fun Freydis reading.
I came to the comments for that clarification. The nut or the squash? We used to gather butternuts every fall to dry, crack and package. We drove through the woods in a 52 GMC with a hydraulic dump bed and filled sacks and buckets until the truck was full and then did it again. A lot of work, but butternuts on vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup is totally worth it.
so the butternut has a hull or husk that surrounds the shell which in turn surrounds the nutmeat. what exactly was found? just the shells I'm guessing.
I think that mention of the norsemen giving the natives milk is pretty important. Given that the majority of Native Americans are lactose intolerant, they would have gotten pretty sick from drinking it. They probably thought they had been poisoned, which could explain why future interactions got violent.
I could picture that. Very human on both sides. Norse: We tried to help them and they attacked us! Americans: Those monsters subsist the milk of a hairless buffalo and they tried to use it to poison us!
It's funny, when he mentioned that, the Phantom Menace is what I immediately thought of, and then he actually made the connection. Made me feel so proud lmao
I wrote my capstone paper on disproving a local "runestone" in Oklahoma, talking about how it would be impossible not to have evidence of Viking settlements all down the Mississippi and the Canadian and Red Rivers. It was based on the diminished successes of Scandinavian colonies across the Norse Atlantic; Iceland was okay because they could get supplies from home, but Greenland was at the very edge of the support line and eventually collapsed, and even further west it was barely a toehold. The idea of them just booking it across the country just to leave a runestone in the middle of nowhere with no other archaeological evidence in the intervening area is laughable.
Funny enough I remember when "Kenniwick Man" was discovered in my then home state of Washington. Which had some controversy at the time because it was the oldest body found in the region, but also initial study suggested it might be of a European descent. With a lot of questions going on about it, and political wrangling over whether the local tribe had rights to the body. Local tribe did end up winning on their case and reburying the person. With most having dismissed the initial claims. But for a short time frame there was something of a local craze about how a random seemingly European person ended up in the Pacific Northwest and what it might mean. I'm more inclined to figure it was just a hasty misidentification or perhaps that the figure was an outlier of the norms for the tribe which caused some confusion over the status over the idea of something like Ancient Celts somehow ending up in Inland Washington.
Ah a Vendel helm, makes me want to paraphrase Count Adhemar : How stylish of you to colonise in an antique. You'll start a new fashion if you win. My grandfather will be able to wear his in public again, how quaint.
I've always found it interesting to see that the Norse helmets became less ornate over time. The Vendel helms are like works of art, yet by the time of the Viking age, they were much simpler. And this goes for the wealthy too, so it's not a matter of not having enough wealth. I think that when they began to form more advanced tactics, and an increase in seafaring came(both in terms of the raiders and the tradesmen/explorers), they wanted to save up their wealth, and also to put more of it into their ships and the like to make for more effective endeavors rather than spend it on the ornamentation on personal items. Of course those who could afford it still did so, but in terms of trade and logistics I think it makes more sense that they took this approach.
@@ironwolf2244 It should be pointed out that there only something like two viking era helmets found in all of Scandinavia. So judging by the archaeological evidence, helmets might have gone almost completely out of fashion by then.
I'm from Newfoundland, we think the grapes for wine the Vikings think of are actually our blueberries which are everywhere on the island especially up north where the settlements were discovered.
@@thomaseriksen6885 They like sun, and don't mind cold, so will grow on high or coastal places like the shores of the Great Lakes or high in the mountains, above the last trees of any sort. Although what those have in common with evergreen country is acid soil, so maybe it is the soil, really.
And that's the story on blueberries in the Northern US, I assume it is even more so in the Canadian Maritimes and Maine, the possible locations of Lief's landings, due to the geology there being sandy, cold, and the soil acid.
@@hy137newfoundland has the only known viking settlement in North America , newfoundland is mostly contender to be vinland, i myself am from newfoundland and know quite a bit about about the viking colonies in North America, i hope we fine more, especially in Labrador, and the Northern coast line of newfoundland, the site at l'anse meadows on the north tip of newfoundland had a capacity of up to 160 people as far as we know mabye even more
Well to quote Edgar allan poe here " Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken! Leave my loneliness unbroken! - quit the bust above my door! Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!” Quoth the Raven “4:01"
RUclips creator who is a natural television presenter makes his own films and tells stories about viking exploration, early new england history, american civil war myths, and how New Orleans came to be. Three of these things I never knew would be as interesting as they are. Keep it coming Atun-Shei. Keep it coming!
So perhaps that story about the woman with the huge eyes evolved from someone who didn't speak the language and, with eyes wide with nervousness, just repeated the sounds she heard him say.
so after looking it up, it seems most likely that this is the case. more specifically: The Other Gudrid was likely just a curious little native girl who snuck into the camp while the trades were going on and found the reassuring sight of a young mother in gudrid. gudrid likely actually initiated conversation, prompting the girl to repeat what she heard, which was common for natives at the time as expert mimicry artists. gudrid's account was then likely handwaived as supernatural, likely as a bit of spooky propaganda.
@@davea6314 Those Muppets were a highlight of my childhood, but they weren't crows were they? It's just a bad idea to use the crows like that. So many other choices...
One of my favorite bits of The Saga of Erik the Red is this quote: "Even though this was good land, their lives here would always be dominated by battle and fear." That's basically the highest compliment the Norse could pay you.
How about Celtic cauldrons of renewal being an intrepretation of science fiction cloning tanks? Dead warriors get dumped in, new warriors come out without a mind of their own.
@@lampad4549 Apparently it's really accurate, not that I know anything abt real Vinland Sagas, but be it accurate or not, it's one of the best animanga out there, defo recommend!
Honestly although the image of a pregnant woman slapping her bosom to fend of an oposing force is funny to imagine. Freydís Eiríksdóttir was a real badass
Note there's a heavily fictionalized (as in Thorfinn is a pacifist) version of Thorfinn Karlsefni in the manga and anime "Vinland Saga" in which he interacts with Leif, Gudrid, and other characters not necessarily directly related like Thorkell the Tall and Cnut the Great. (In the story the Leif Erikson settlement is on Newfoundland where the viking site is visible in modern day and Thorfinn's site is on Prince Edward Island)
@@lampad4549 it's a very good manga and it has a rather great anime adaption. Despite not being very true to real life history it does feel very tonally in line with the sagas and is generally quite historically accurate in other aspects. There are also some rather fantastic wholly fictional characters like the cunning mercenary Askeladd.
For a while I've wondered if an alternate history scenario involving the Norse colonists is at all plausible. What if the settlements had been larger and stuck around for longer before eventually being abandoned. The norse trade with the neighbouring native Americans (as they did in real life), and that involved trading domesticated animals like sheep and pigs (or even horses). By the time the norse settlements are abandoned domesticated animals had been adopted by many of the native americans in the region, and they spread out from there. How would a wider variety of livestock animals have changed the cultures of the Americas?
It may have very well habituated them to Old World diseases and made their societies robust against the 16th century wave of European colonization. Almost every aspect of world history afterwards would be radically different. A very fascinating alt-history scenario.
@@avispartan4795 That is the big one to me, if smallpox etc became endemic to the Americas and the populations had a few centuries to recover from the initial waves of destruction things could look a fair bit different.
@@88porpoise Yes very likely but the major element that aided British and Spanish colonization was the dissension and hostility between the indigenous tribal peoples. What's often overlooked is that both the Spanish and British fought their wars with the aid of tribal allies. Without these alliances, it's an open question as to how these wars would have turned out. King Phillip's War being a case in point.
@@avispartan4795 Less susceptibility to European diseases would be a big change, but if those livestock animals spread across the Americas it would change a lot of things before any Europeans arrived, especially regarding their agriculture. If they had cows or horses they'd be able to use animal muscle power to pull plows and do other labour, making for more efficient farming. Raising animals for meat (or eggs or milk, though I think native americans are almost all lactose intolerant) would be useful as well, especially as a way to make use of land that isn't suitable for growing any of the crops they had. The people of the great plains re-domesticated feral Spanish horses pretty quickly, if they had had horses 500 years before that the horse cultures might have formed much earlier, and maybe they would have adopted a pastoral nomadic lifestyle similar to the Eurasian steppe nomads. Would Cortez have fought against Aztec cavalry?
@@walterreeves3679 But even when doing so they took advantage of populations suffering from epidemics and/or already much weakened by disease. Disease played a key role in crippling the defenders of Tenochtitlan for Cortez, enabling him and his native allies to destroy the Aztec Empire. Nor are the diplomatic side and the disease side completely separate, in the Incan Empire the wedge that the Spanish would use to divide and conquer was a succession crisis resulting from the deaths of the Emperor and his heir due to small pox. In many places in North America, Native populations were already greatly reduced by disease when Europeans arrived. Native groups were seeing significant changes due to depopulation themselves. There were lots of factors in European conquest of the Americas, but the susceptibility of native populations of these diseases was a major factor.
You are single handedly(and your film crew) are bringing back the indie film industry from the brink of extinction. I thank you good kind knowledgeable sir!!! Please continue your work.🥃🚬🥓🫂
@@AtunSheiFilms I think a good Viking film about them and the algonquin would be the kingdom of saguney or the Norwegian kingdom and it’s colonies (referenced in Iroquois Folkore) versus the Iroquois confederacy was thought to have been formed in the 12th century and is one of the oldest continuous confederacies still alive. Perhaps the tyrannical Tadodaho, the snake haired shaman priest, vs a Viking Berserker from Norway or Sweden or even the Rus Khaganate or even all the above in an independent party. Now that’s a fight for the ages. Iroquois with Viking metal implements and Vinland colonists with a bit of Dorset and Algonquin mixed into their culture?
The moment you mentioned that mysterious siege engine I immediately pictured it in my head like that of the Gungans' too. I could've imagined any other thing if it weren't for that goddamn movie.
I can think of another reason for the Norse to visit Canada regularly: Fishing. A lot of historical sources praise the amount of fish you could get in the area up until the 18th century, far more then outside Greenland, Iceland or Norway. And fish were rather important at the time, as well as walrus tusk and the most expensive thing of all: "unicorn horn" (also known as Narwhal tusk but don't tell the buyer that). Norwegian fishermen are said to have been fishing the area at the time of Columbus, but that might be a rumor. In any case, we don't really know if the Sagas tell the story of all the journey's or if there were more. And frankly, we need more archaeological finds to get any more information. It is likely still out there and with new technology or a little luck we might find out more. There have been found half of a viking scale and some weights in mainland Canada, which possibly could have been taken at the raid on the Vinland settlement or it is possible that Norse traders actually made trips to trade there now and then. It is really hard to say since we only got 3 Sagas written a couple of hundred years afterwards and the rather limited artifacts found at L'Anse aux Meadows at this time. Really, some of the things mentioned in the Sagas likely happened while other things seems a bit outlandish (that boob clapping for instance do sound a lot like added for comical relief later). But a lot of the story is probably missing so we can just speculate. Also: Greenland is way closer to Canada then Norway, I could buy sailing to Iceland might have been easier but not Norway. And we have to consider that Greenland at the time were warmer then even today due to a rather strange local climate effect. So I don't think it is impossible the Norse spent more time in Canada then just 3 journeys (or 4 if you count Bjarni, I don't buy for a second that he didn't at least land to pick up food and fresh water, the story was written by Leif's relatives so they had a reason to omit that but Bjarni had sailed far longer then he had planned for so there were no reason to assume he didn't land and stock up a bit since he had no clue how long the rest of his journey would take. If he had been that stupid he probably would have died). Butt this is just speculations until we find any actual evidence.
I think it is a fair guess. The Grand Banks provided an unthinkable plenty of fish for centuries. The 1600's English settlements of New England were said to be made either for God - or COD!
@@hy137 There was also a particularly valuable thing they sometimes caught between Greenland and Canada: Narwhal. The huge tusk of it was sold to European royalties as "unicorn horn" and netted the vikings a fortune, one of the largest scams in history. But indeed, the fishing are even mentioned in the Sagas as amazing and it was likelier far more fish in the 11th century then the 17th. In the 19th century lobster was still so plentiful in New England that it was dirt cheap and mainly eaten by poor people. So the vikings certainly wanted fish. They also wanted wood, Greenland doesn't have many trees and Iceland had already had it's cut down by that time but North America is pretty close to Greenland. Vikings mainly needed timber for ships and buildings as well as firewood and those are things you really can't be without either. No ships and the entire walrus tusk business which was the main income for the Greenland vikings were pointless, you needed to get that ivory to sellers in Europe. So yeah, the vikings certainly had plenty of reasons to at least visit Canada but it is very likely they also visited North Eastern US. If they weren't into exploration they would never had found Greenland and Newfoundland in the first place.
So... I just discovered this serie on the channel. Late to the party, but I feel compelled to say, the idea of Huginn and Muninn as little shit talking pricks is extreamely funny.
Yeah true. Im particularly interested in a scenerio similar to how the natives helped out the Plymouth Pilgrims in their first winter. Perhaps the natives and nurse don't become best friends but do maintain a trading relationship and it allows for more bands of norse settlers into Vinland.
I just finished God of War and was looking more into Norse history (specifically of their Greenland colonies) and started re reading Magnus Chase and now it's the only explicitly Norse inspired holiday I know of. I'm guessing my Scandinavian blood is kicking in
I know it's not his style, but we need to get a Jackson Crawford reaction video to this series. He just did one on the importance of reimagining Norse characters. What better example than the crows here?!
I notice that the settlement at L'Anse Meadows has been dated to 1021 CE based on dendrology and an isotope anomaly in the late 10th century. No coincidence they announced it so close to Leif Ericson Day! Thanks for the video.
The intro was excellent (it reminded me of the video for "What Time is Love" by KLF). The whole video was really well produced and very engaging. Roll on next Leif Erikson Day and another great tale. This is right up there with Atun-Shei's Frances Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's "Dracula"; just about the most disturbing retelling of the vampire story I've seen.
I remember waking up last year to your vid. Can't believe another year has come and gone. You put out amazing content. I'll add you to my Patreon good sir.
I think i saw your talking ravens on the Stewart Lee/Richard Herring comedy talk show from the early 90s. This Morning With Richard Not Judy i think it was called, although, those ravens were crows, and they punned like no one's business
The Norse colonies in America are certainly one of the most interesting topics in history. It’s such a shame that we don’t know more about them and that they didn’t last longer.
Those very rude Hugin and Munin made my day. Now I will always remember this video when anybody talks about them. And I can't thank you enough for that.
Excellent work. Essentially a straightforward production comparing stories revealed in two sagas. Much information, revealed intelligently. I love your epic works but think alternating them with simpler videos is good idea. The Ravens provided great comic relief. Might some Serious Odinists find them sacreligious? Looking forward to hearing more about Freydis...
Hello from Canada! Where I live there are grape vines everywhere, not just in the woods but in the city too growing on fences. the ones I've eaten taste quite sour and sweet and I just cant enjoy grocery store grapes, they are bland in comparison. I believe I live in Vinland but I'm not sure :)
You mean butternut shells not the husks of butternut squash. Butternut trees don’t grow that far north but the shells have been found at the Meadows site.
The husks of shells, yes! Total brain fart
Oh thank you! I was wondering why Atun Shei would think that squash grew on trees.
@@AtunSheiFilms Love what you’re doing friend. My family had a summer house on PEI, so I spent a lot of time in the gulf of Saint Lawrence growing up; needless to say I’m very fond of these videos. Check out the new Laurent Binet novel ‘civilizations’ if you want a little more fun Freydis reading.
I came to the comments for that clarification. The nut or the squash? We used to gather butternuts every fall to dry, crack and package. We drove through the woods in a 52 GMC with a hydraulic dump bed and filled sacks and buckets until the truck was full and then did it again. A lot of work, but butternuts on vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup is totally worth it.
so the butternut has a hull or husk that surrounds the shell which in turn surrounds the nutmeat. what exactly was found? just the shells I'm guessing.
I think that mention of the norsemen giving the natives milk is pretty important. Given that the majority of Native Americans are lactose intolerant, they would have gotten pretty sick from drinking it. They probably thought they had been poisoned, which could explain why future interactions got violent.
Fair point
I could picture that. Very human on both sides.
Norse: We tried to help them and they attacked us!
Americans: Those monsters subsist the milk of a hairless buffalo and they tried to use it to poison us!
@@Sam_on_RUclips Did buffalo range that far north and east?
@@walterreeves3679 I don't know. What is the megafauna in the area? Moose? Are then in Greenland? They're in Eastern Canada.
I'd kill any man who gave me diarrhea
This is probably the best version of Huginn and Muninn in any media, ever.
Certainly memorable. Hopefully we will see them again. :)
Hopefully they will make cameos in other series.
Yes.
It's a ripoff of their depiction in Record of Ragnarok.
@@redroverredrover679 ok.
If ever there’s a satirical Lord of The Rings remake, Atun Shei would make a good Aragorn
Still waiting for someone to do Bored of the Rings. Presumably as a fifteen-movie series, if Jackson Hobbit is any indication.
@@richmcgee434 Bored of the Rings is one of the few laugh out loud books I’ve read. Didn’t they make a animated movie of it?
Didnt we agree on him being Jaime Lannister in the inevitable parody ?
You have my axe
He is obviously Pergrin Took
The Phantom Menace connection is likely the greatest development of Norse history in our time.
I can’t believe the saga of Erik the Red stole the ideas for Gungan siege weapons from Star Wars
It's funny, when he mentioned that, the Phantom Menace is what I immediately thought of, and then he actually made the connection. Made me feel so proud lmao
We got to get Eric the Red working. He's a funnier character then we've had before.
@@ig-8887 "Eric the Red is the key to all of this"
@@Apollo_1641 This is some deep nerd intersection happening here.
i lost my shit at that beginning cut with the ship in the bath tub. one of my favorite yt channels
Subscription worthy
Most definitely
Fourth Wall expert!
Atun: maybe they’ll come together and live in peace.
Ravens: but do they?
Atun: … no.
Absolute gold!
I wrote my capstone paper on disproving a local "runestone" in Oklahoma, talking about how it would be impossible not to have evidence of Viking settlements all down the Mississippi and the Canadian and Red Rivers. It was based on the diminished successes of Scandinavian colonies across the Norse Atlantic; Iceland was okay because they could get supplies from home, but Greenland was at the very edge of the support line and eventually collapsed, and even further west it was barely a toehold. The idea of them just booking it across the country just to leave a runestone in the middle of nowhere with no other archaeological evidence in the intervening area is laughable.
They obviously did it for bragging rights
There was confirmed trade and Viking weaponry found in America’s it probably wasn’t Vikings but could it be natives transporting culture
Wait Oklahoma I was thinking Ohio yeah nm
Funny enough I remember when "Kenniwick Man" was discovered in my then home state of Washington. Which had some controversy at the time because it was the oldest body found in the region, but also initial study suggested it might be of a European descent. With a lot of questions going on about it, and political wrangling over whether the local tribe had rights to the body. Local tribe did end up winning on their case and reburying the person. With most having dismissed the initial claims. But for a short time frame there was something of a local craze about how a random seemingly European person ended up in the Pacific Northwest and what it might mean. I'm more inclined to figure it was just a hasty misidentification or perhaps that the figure was an outlier of the norms for the tribe which caused some confusion over the status over the idea of something like Ancient Celts somehow ending up in Inland Washington.
Also I believe it was carved in elder futhark which is not viking
Ah a Vendel helm, makes me want to paraphrase Count Adhemar : How stylish of you to colonise in an antique. You'll start a new fashion if you win. My grandfather will be able to wear his in public again, how quaint.
that is an amazing roast
Atun Weighed, Atun Measured, Atun found wanting.
A knights tale
I've always found it interesting to see that the Norse helmets became less ornate over time. The Vendel helms are like works of art, yet by the time of the Viking age, they were much simpler. And this goes for the wealthy too, so it's not a matter of not having enough wealth. I think that when they began to form more advanced tactics, and an increase in seafaring came(both in terms of the raiders and the tradesmen/explorers), they wanted to save up their wealth, and also to put more of it into their ships and the like to make for more effective endeavors rather than spend it on the ornamentation on personal items. Of course those who could afford it still did so, but in terms of trade and logistics I think it makes more sense that they took this approach.
@@ironwolf2244 It should be pointed out that there only something like two viking era helmets found in all of Scandinavia. So judging by the archaeological evidence, helmets might have gone almost completely out of fashion by then.
I'm from Newfoundland, we think the grapes for wine the Vikings think of are actually our blueberries which are everywhere on the island especially up north where the settlements were discovered.
the idea of blueberry wine sounds so appealing but I'm not the biggest fan of wine :/
Blueberry wine tastes just fine!
@@thomaseriksen6885 They like sun, and don't mind cold, so will grow on high or coastal places like the shores of the Great Lakes or high in the mountains, above the last trees of any sort. Although what those have in common with evergreen country is acid soil, so maybe it is the soil, really.
And that's the story on blueberries in the Northern US, I assume it is even more so in the Canadian Maritimes and Maine, the possible locations of Lief's landings, due to the geology there being sandy, cold, and the soil acid.
@@hy137newfoundland has the only known viking settlement in North America , newfoundland is mostly contender to be vinland, i myself am from newfoundland and know quite a bit about about the viking colonies in North America, i hope we fine more, especially in Labrador, and the Northern coast line of newfoundland, the site at l'anse meadows on the north tip of newfoundland had a capacity of up to 160 people as far as we know mabye even more
Well to quote Edgar allan poe here
" Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken!
Leave my loneliness unbroken! - quit the bust above my door!
Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!”
Quoth the Raven “4:01"
XD..
I can never not hear that being screamed by Homer Simpson.
RUclips creator who is a natural television presenter makes his own films and tells stories about viking exploration, early new england history, american civil war myths, and how New Orleans came to be. Three of these things I never knew would be as interesting as they are. Keep it coming Atun-Shei. Keep it coming!
So perhaps that story about the woman with the huge eyes evolved from someone who didn't speak the language and, with eyes wide with nervousness, just repeated the sounds she heard him say.
Yeah, how else are you going to learn a new language, tatanka, tatanka? She also could have been a complete fabrication to demonize the natives.
so after looking it up, it seems most likely that this is the case. more specifically: The Other Gudrid was likely just a curious little native girl who snuck into the camp while the trades were going on and found the reassuring sight of a young mother in gudrid. gudrid likely actually initiated conversation, prompting the girl to repeat what she heard, which was common for natives at the time as expert mimicry artists. gudrid's account was then likely handwaived as supernatural, likely as a bit of spooky propaganda.
Or it was just leif’s adaptive son bugeyes
The ravens are out here roasting yanks harder than Philip Broke
Statler and Waldorf from the Muppets have been reincarnated as two annoying puppet birds. Lol
The Dumbo crows are a bad idea. This guy should've known better. That is the equivalent of puppet black face.
@@MrRedberd You are overreacting. The puppets are like Statler and Waldorf from the Muppets.
@@davea6314 Those Muppets were a highlight of my childhood, but they weren't crows were they? It's just a bad idea to use the crows like that. So many other choices...
@@MrRedberd they're not based on the crows from Dumbo
One of my favorite bits of The Saga of Erik the Red is this quote: "Even though this was good land, their lives here would always be dominated by battle and fear." That's basically the highest compliment the Norse could pay you.
Basically saying “yeah these people are way too fucking scary and everywhere they own this shit”
I cannot express how long I have been waiting for this, I have Leif Erikson day on my calendar even.
Let me express this:
You have waited one year
I can't find anyone else making a connection between the Star Wars gungan's weapons and Erik the Red's saga. You might be the first.
I am breaking new ground. Take that Howard Zinn
How about Celtic cauldrons of renewal being an intrepretation of science fiction cloning tanks? Dead warriors get dumped in, new warriors come out without a mind of their own.
That might be the best and highest budget opening you've assembled. I loved it!
I am glad you got around to talking about the inspiration for Vinland saga. Good manga
The anime pretty good too. Hyped for the next season
How accurate is it?
@@lampad4549 Apparently it's really accurate, not that I know anything abt real Vinland Sagas, but be it accurate or not, it's one of the best animanga out there, defo recommend!
@@andrijarazum9796it’s not meant to be accurate
Best day of the year.
The movie normally: action packed thriller
The movie when my parents walk in: 17:13
How old are you?
Honestly although the image of a pregnant woman slapping her bosom to fend of an oposing force is funny to imagine. Freydís Eiríksdóttir was a real badass
00:10 this, this is the high quality editing that I've come to expect from this channel.
They should have delivered Thorhall to the Hundred assembled in the Thing in the Fylki in which they dwelt.
Underrated comment
I see what you did! Heilsa!
Hands down most underrated channel on the platform
The pronunciation note at 1:06 is great. Nice to see Dr. Jackson Crawford is popular enough to get parodied.
I have to stop supporting you on Patreon for financial reasons but these videos are seriously awesome and I wish you awesomeness.
At this point I have completely ditched Columbus Day leaf Erikson days where it’s at
Better lore
@@Dorkeydaze Definitely and it’s true
The less said about the Italian the better.
@@larrylindgren215 But Leif Erikson didn't really tell most of Europe about his discovery as opposed to Columbus.
@@venatortheanimefan4526
Only hipsters knew the sagas. The voyages of Brendan were better known...
Hope you have a good Leif Erikson day!
Hinge dinge durgen
I want more of this! Viking history is amazing and deserves more coverage!
Second this, but perhaps the talking bird muppets are a bit much.
@@avispartan4795 I love the birds!
@@Bluebelle51 Agreed. They need to show up again, ideally in something completely unrelated to the Norse..🤣👍
Note there's a heavily fictionalized (as in Thorfinn is a pacifist) version of Thorfinn Karlsefni in the manga and anime "Vinland Saga" in which he interacts with Leif, Gudrid, and other characters not necessarily directly related like Thorkell the Tall and Cnut the Great. (In the story the Leif Erikson settlement is on Newfoundland where the viking site is visible in modern day and Thorfinn's site is on Prince Edward Island)
How is it?
@@lampad4549 it's a very good manga and it has a rather great anime adaption. Despite not being very true to real life history it does feel very tonally in line with the sagas and is generally quite historically accurate in other aspects. There are also some rather fantastic wholly fictional characters like the cunning mercenary Askeladd.
@@lampad4549It depicts Viking culture more accurately than History Channel’s Vikings…
Really good so far.
@@dastemplar9681 this is completely wrong
For a while I've wondered if an alternate history scenario involving the Norse colonists is at all plausible. What if the settlements had been larger and stuck around for longer before eventually being abandoned. The norse trade with the neighbouring native Americans (as they did in real life), and that involved trading domesticated animals like sheep and pigs (or even horses). By the time the norse settlements are abandoned domesticated animals had been adopted by many of the native americans in the region, and they spread out from there. How would a wider variety of livestock animals have changed the cultures of the Americas?
It may have very well habituated them to Old World diseases and made their societies robust against the 16th century wave of European colonization. Almost every aspect of world history afterwards would be radically different. A very fascinating alt-history scenario.
@@avispartan4795 That is the big one to me, if smallpox etc became endemic to the Americas and the populations had a few centuries to recover from the initial waves of destruction things could look a fair bit different.
@@88porpoise Yes very likely but the major element that aided British and Spanish colonization was the dissension and hostility between the indigenous tribal peoples. What's often overlooked is that both the Spanish and British fought their wars with the aid of tribal allies. Without these alliances, it's an open question as to how these wars would have turned out. King Phillip's War being a case in point.
@@avispartan4795 Less susceptibility to European diseases would be a big change, but if those livestock animals spread across the Americas it would change a lot of things before any Europeans arrived, especially regarding their agriculture. If they had cows or horses they'd be able to use animal muscle power to pull plows and do other labour, making for more efficient farming. Raising animals for meat (or eggs or milk, though I think native americans are almost all lactose intolerant) would be useful as well, especially as a way to make use of land that isn't suitable for growing any of the crops they had. The people of the great plains re-domesticated feral Spanish horses pretty quickly, if they had had horses 500 years before that the horse cultures might have formed much earlier, and maybe they would have adopted a pastoral nomadic lifestyle similar to the Eurasian steppe nomads. Would Cortez have fought against Aztec cavalry?
@@walterreeves3679 But even when doing so they took advantage of populations suffering from epidemics and/or already much weakened by disease. Disease played a key role in crippling the defenders of Tenochtitlan for Cortez, enabling him and his native allies to destroy the Aztec Empire. Nor are the diplomatic side and the disease side completely separate, in the Incan Empire the wedge that the Spanish would use to divide and conquer was a succession crisis resulting from the deaths of the Emperor and his heir due to small pox.
In many places in North America, Native populations were already greatly reduced by disease when Europeans arrived. Native groups were seeing significant changes due to depopulation themselves.
There were lots of factors in European conquest of the Americas, but the susceptibility of native populations of these diseases was a major factor.
Butternut SQUASH hulls that grew on trees?
(Butternuts are a lighter variety of walnuts.)
The birds are boss.
Loved the opening sequence.
Lol brain fart.
@@Nwmguy your sentence hurt me
It is entirely too hot and humid for October in Western PA, thinking about moving to Iceland and setting up a small fishing settlement.
You are single handedly(and your film crew) are bringing back the indie film industry from the brink of extinction. I thank you good kind knowledgeable sir!!! Please continue your work.🥃🚬🥓🫂
I don’t know about that but I appreciate the kind words nonetheless!
Haram emojis?
@@AtunSheiFilms I think a good Viking film about them and the algonquin would be the kingdom of saguney or the Norwegian kingdom and it’s colonies (referenced in Iroquois Folkore) versus the Iroquois confederacy was thought to have been formed in the 12th century and is one of the oldest continuous confederacies still alive. Perhaps the tyrannical Tadodaho, the snake haired shaman priest, vs a Viking Berserker from Norway or Sweden or even the Rus Khaganate or even all the above in an independent party. Now that’s a fight for the ages. Iroquois with Viking metal implements and Vinland colonists with a bit of Dorset and Algonquin mixed into their culture?
Wait it's Leif Erikson Day? Excellent, I've been looking for an excuse to open some of my surplus bottles of mead!
The moment you mentioned that mysterious siege engine I immediately pictured it in my head like that of the Gungans' too. I could've imagined any other thing if it weren't for that goddamn movie.
I liked the reference to the Grímnismál with Huginn and Muninn arguing over who Óðinn likes best. Nice touch.
Yay! Happy Leif Erikson day! Seeing you being screamed at by legendary crows is not something I knew I needed, but I am glad I could see it happen!
Huginn and Munin are actually ravens, but since they look so alike I can see the misunderstanding.
@@mikkitoro8933 Wait, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE?! I didn't even know that!
@@cristianpissai7563 Yeah sometimes I don't know that, they look so similar.
@@mikkitoro8933 Have a raven sit on your shoulder and you'd know. Ravens are larger and smarter in many ways, not that crows are not smart also.
crows and ravens-- ruclips.net/video/k9-wTnqIidY/видео.html
I am both Norwegian and Icelandic. And I really appreciate seeing videos like this that tells the story of my ancestors
1:04 I like the reference to Jackson Crawford there, nice touch
I can think of another reason for the Norse to visit Canada regularly: Fishing. A lot of historical sources praise the amount of fish you could get in the area up until the 18th century, far more then outside Greenland, Iceland or Norway. And fish were rather important at the time, as well as walrus tusk and the most expensive thing of all: "unicorn horn" (also known as Narwhal tusk but don't tell the buyer that).
Norwegian fishermen are said to have been fishing the area at the time of Columbus, but that might be a rumor. In any case, we don't really know if the Sagas tell the story of all the journey's or if there were more. And frankly, we need more archaeological finds to get any more information. It is likely still out there and with new technology or a little luck we might find out more.
There have been found half of a viking scale and some weights in mainland Canada, which possibly could have been taken at the raid on the Vinland settlement or it is possible that Norse traders actually made trips to trade there now and then. It is really hard to say since we only got 3 Sagas written a couple of hundred years afterwards and the rather limited artifacts found at L'Anse aux Meadows at this time.
Really, some of the things mentioned in the Sagas likely happened while other things seems a bit outlandish (that boob clapping for instance do sound a lot like added for comical relief later). But a lot of the story is probably missing so we can just speculate.
Also: Greenland is way closer to Canada then Norway, I could buy sailing to Iceland might have been easier but not Norway. And we have to consider that Greenland at the time were warmer then even today due to a rather strange local climate effect. So I don't think it is impossible the Norse spent more time in Canada then just 3 journeys (or 4 if you count Bjarni, I don't buy for a second that he didn't at least land to pick up food and fresh water, the story was written by Leif's relatives so they had a reason to omit that but Bjarni had sailed far longer then he had planned for so there were no reason to assume he didn't land and stock up a bit since he had no clue how long the rest of his journey would take. If he had been that stupid he probably would have died).
Butt this is just speculations until we find any actual evidence.
I think it is a fair guess. The Grand Banks provided an unthinkable plenty of fish for centuries. The 1600's English settlements of New England were said to be made either for God - or COD!
@@hy137 There was also a particularly valuable thing they sometimes caught between Greenland and Canada: Narwhal.
The huge tusk of it was sold to European royalties as "unicorn horn" and netted the vikings a fortune, one of the largest scams in history.
But indeed, the fishing are even mentioned in the Sagas as amazing and it was likelier far more fish in the 11th century then the 17th.
In the 19th century lobster was still so plentiful in New England that it was dirt cheap and mainly eaten by poor people.
So the vikings certainly wanted fish. They also wanted wood, Greenland doesn't have many trees and Iceland had already had it's cut down by that time but North America is pretty close to Greenland.
Vikings mainly needed timber for ships and buildings as well as firewood and those are things you really can't be without either. No ships and the entire walrus tusk business which was the main income for the Greenland vikings were pointless, you needed to get that ivory to sellers in Europe.
So yeah, the vikings certainly had plenty of reasons to at least visit Canada but it is very likely they also visited North Eastern US. If they weren't into exploration they would never had found Greenland and Newfoundland in the first place.
So... I just discovered this serie on the channel. Late to the party, but I feel compelled to say, the idea of Huginn and Muninn as little shit talking pricks is extreamely funny.
Happy Leif Erikson bud! And great video too, hope to hear you tell more Sagas soon!
I find the idea of Odin's crows cursing at you very appropriate for a discussion on norse sagas.
Vinland is such a cool topic for alternate history writers, I’m often dissipated it’s not used more often.
Yeah true. Im particularly interested in a scenerio similar to how the natives helped out the Plymouth Pilgrims in their first winter. Perhaps the natives and nurse don't become best friends but do maintain a trading relationship and it allows for more bands of norse settlers into Vinland.
Loved the Chipmunks Christmas twist at the end. Thanks for another great video and have a Happy Leif Erikson day!
Is it Leif Erikson day already? Always glad to hear from you Atun-Shei, especially when you teaching us bout Norse history.
Today is the best day or all days because it is Leif Erickson day
Hinga Dinga Durgan
Thorfinn has come a long way from his time at Askaladd’s gang. Hopefully he learned how to be a true warrior.
I just finished God of War and was looking more into Norse history (specifically of their Greenland colonies) and started re reading Magnus Chase
and now it's the only explicitly Norse inspired holiday I know of.
I'm guessing my Scandinavian blood is kicking in
Hah! Is the note on pronunciation a Jackson Crawford reference?! If it was, that just made my day!
Lol glad somebody caught it
@@AtunSheiFilms [Swoons] Dude you are an inspiration
I just happened to check this channel while I've been interested in vikings in America for a few days.
10/10.
I know it's not his style, but we need to get a Jackson Crawford reaction video to this series. He just did one on the importance of reimagining Norse characters. What better example than the crows here?!
I was thinking about Jackson's reaction the whole way through...
Next year we need a puppet Jackson Crawford cameo.
If you look carefully, there's a cheeky reference to Dr. Crawford in the beginning of the video even :)
I notice that the settlement at L'Anse Meadows has been dated to 1021 CE based on dendrology and an isotope anomaly in the late 10th century. No coincidence they announced it so close to Leif Ericson Day! Thanks for the video.
Oh boy can't wait for the viking side of RUclips to barge in, if you listen closely you can already hear the horns
There's something I can't describe that I like about how the caw of crows is related to someone saying "beta cuck."
20:00 I’ve always wondered what Alvin and the Chipmunks would be like if they were Norse birds, now I know!
One thing I love about you is that you always leave your references in the description, thank you.
15:58 Kind of like picking a rifle off a fallen soldier, trying to figure out how the bangstick works, and popping the guy beside you.
I love the pronounciation note at the beginning as an homage to Jackson Crawford’s channel
Another great Atun-Shei production! That opener is so GD hilarious, as are Huginn and Muninn!
It must be hard consistently making the best content on this website, but somehow you manage to do it anyway. Keep it up buddy!!
Imagine discovering the Americas only to be called "leaf" by a bird puppet.
@Atheos B. Sapien imagine not understanding that 'discovered' is almost always speaking of European knowledge of the continent
@Atheos B. Sapien imagine realising that written history of the Americas and all civilised societies North of Mexico appeared with the Europeans
@Atheos B. Sapien imagine viewing the world through barbaric cultures
@Atheos B. SapienWould it help you if it was stated as "discovered by Europeans"?
@@juniorcrusher2245 Found the bigot.
Sarcastic Odin's Ravens. Love it!
The intro was excellent (it reminded me of the video for "What Time is Love" by KLF). The whole video was really well produced and very engaging. Roll on next Leif Erikson Day and another great tale. This is right up there with Atun-Shei's Frances Ford Coppola's Bram Stoker's "Dracula"; just about the most disturbing retelling of the vampire story I've seen.
In the Year of Our Lord, 992...
I remember waking up last year to your vid. Can't believe another year has come and gone. You put out amazing content. I'll add you to my Patreon good sir.
15 seconds in and I'm in love
It was a very good intro
9:30 Butternut Squash?! BETTER NOT JOSH!!
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate what you create for us! Really awesome, as usual.
Truly my favorite day of the year, the day when Atun Shei makes a Viking video.
I think i saw your talking ravens on the Stewart Lee/Richard Herring comedy talk show from the early 90s. This Morning With Richard Not Judy i think it was called, although, those ravens were crows, and they punned like no one's business
Hey Atun Shei, Local Newfoundlander here. Love the coverage of the Norse sagas related to North America. Really cool stuff. Keep it up!
The Norse colonies in America are certainly one of the most interesting topics in history. It’s such a shame that we don’t know more about them and that they didn’t last longer.
Watching the whole vinland playlist you have you can really see the amazing improvement of your content. Keep up the amazing work
Huginn and Muninn. Clearly the historic inspiration for Heckle and Jeckle! ;)
Statler and Waldorf from the Muppets have been reincarnated as two annoying puppet birds. Lol
@@davea6314 Good one!
@@walterreeves3679 Thanks.
"Shut the f*ck up soy boy!" Omg the self-deprecating humor is next level lol. Well done as always
I was just watching the Vinland video on Thorvald, so this was a nice surprise minutes or almost an hour later. Thanks Atun-Shei! :p
Those very rude Hugin and Munin made my day. Now I will always remember this video when anybody talks about them. And I can't thank you enough for that.
Excellent work.
Essentially a straightforward production comparing stories revealed in two sagas. Much information, revealed intelligently.
I love your epic works but think alternating them with simpler videos is good idea.
The Ravens provided great comic relief. Might some Serious Odinists find them sacreligious?
Looking forward to hearing more about Freydis...
Late answer here ofc, but the asatru I know would find the ravens absolutely hilarious.
YES! I have been needing a fix. Another awesome video.
God, I can't believe your last Leif Ericson was a year ago! I thought it was a year and three days ago.
at my school during history class we were talking about the viking conquest ,ive gotta say a huge thanks for saving me cause of these stories
They fought the Beothuk an now extinct native tribe of Newfoundland.
Another settlement has been discovered in Port aux Basques recently.
Hard to believe it's been a year since the last one of these. This one was the best yet.
Me, remembering it's Leif Eiriksonn Day, looking at my watch as well: OH FUCK IT'S LEIF EIRIKSONN'S DAY I'M GONNA BE LATE TO THE YEARLY RAID!
Dude I love the back and forth between you and the crows, great plot device, awesome video!
1:23 “ shut the fuck up soyboy! “
oh my god 😭
I loved the ship in the intro. I loved the Ravens played by disney blackbirds. Fascinating history and a really good time, Atun. Thanks!
History is the key….to everything.
I always am so happy to see a new vid from u. I settle in w a cup of wine and get ready for fascinating story time
Another leif Erikson vid let's go this is huge
Chris Columbus eat your heart out
Calling him chris is weirdly funny lol
Your videos are the best Leif Erikson day gift one can hope for
Statler and Waldorf from the Muppets have been reincarnated as two annoying puppet birds. Lol
This channel is what Pynchon novels are really about
You can’t just say it’s Leif Erickson Day without the traditional “Hinga dinga durgen”. Spongebob would be displeased.
Love the presentation. Education wrapped in humor.
Hello from Canada! Where I live there are grape vines everywhere, not just in the woods but in the city too growing on fences. the ones I've eaten taste quite sour and sweet and I just cant enjoy grocery store grapes, they are bland in comparison. I believe I live in Vinland but I'm not sure :)
the filthy frank of history channels, love you man
Thanks!
Now we need him to do a video on the Vinland Saga manga.