Actually…the Hitler examinations are so meaningful precisely BECAUSE they resonate so closely with so many strains of authority, governance, mass influence and the role of mass fear-mongering in the world we live in. Even in the realm of what might be called the aesthetics of power and the fetishization of military hegemony, the example of Nazi Germany holds a compelling mirror up to contemporary society.
This needs more views. A successful sociopath and con artist will make use of and never underestimate the common human traits of ignorance, entitlement, tribalism, complacency, gullibility, graft and greed.
We might be lucky as now we are facing a 78 year old, instead of one in his prime like hitler back then. But that doesn’t make my heart lighter in any sense.
As Ryback suggests in this video, Alfred Hugenberg was Hitler's equivalent of our Rupert Murdoch, spreading right-wing disinformation and helping to destroy the German journalistic ecosystem. Social media wasn't a thing back then, of course, so that's a new element of the mix now that a book of the kind you're suggesting would have to take into account.
Thank you this was very enlightening. I was born in 1944 in Germany and I still do not fully understand why my Dutch mother and German father moved from Amsterdam to Halberstadt in 1937. This is why I am so interested .
How thankful I am to Professor John Clarke, Fellow of All Souls, who delivered this lecture to us at UCB, the nascent University of Buckingham. This was in 1977; we were all law students who read some history, too. Fast forward to November 5, 2024. Bonfire Night and deja vu combined, I fear.
How nice to see the American library in Paris, where I spent many happy hours in 1979, during my year abroad. The elderly woman at the front desk was always very friendly and helpful. I also remember talks by Joyce Carol Oates, who was very sweet, and by Susan Sontag, who was, well,nasty.
Schleicher was never Hitler's enabler. He was always Hitler's enemy. Van Papen was Hitler's enabler. Van Papen entered into his bargain with Hitler in order to get back in power. Schleicher had put Von Papen in power as a puppet for Schleicher in early 1932. But he then later had Von Papen removed, and had himself appointed by Hindenburg in December, 1932. But Schleicher immediately ran into trouble keeping his position. As a gambit to increase his support, he sought to break off a faction of the Nazis that would support him and undermine Hitler. He approached Gregor Strasser for this purpose. Hitler found out and drove Strasser out of the party, ending that threat. Hitler and Von Papen then had a series of meetings in order to plot against Schleicher. It was Von Papen, who was well liked by Hindenburg, who got Hindenburg to hold his nose and appoint Hitler as chancellor in late January, 1933. Hitler then had both Schleicher and Stasser murdered 18 months later in the Knight of the Long Knives, even though neither had anything to do with the SA or Rohm.
Different version of history has a ton of interviews with people who lived it. Including many soldiers, civilians, Red Cross, & many foreigners who volunteered to work in Germany. Includes a Spaniard who served in the Blue Division, & even Ribbentrop's son (served in 1st WaffenSS Division as a tanker)
At 54:00 the fact is mentioned that Hitler's party was on its last legs when he (Hitler) was providentially saved by Paul Von Hindenburg and nominated for the chancellorship of Germany. What made the fascist movement in Germany so attractive to conservatives like Hindenburg was the fact that the fascists commanded their own deadly, violent militia: the brown shirts. Conservatives viewed the brownshirts as the only ones that could defend the propertied class from a communist takeover. When the German conservatives (with Hindenburg at their lead) realized that the fascists were about to be swept away, the conservatives SPRANG INTO ACTION and saved Hitler and the fascists from oblivion.
Hindenburg's great mistake is that he should have stepped down and restored the Hohenzollerns to the throne instead of appointing Hitler as Chancellor.
And along came this charismatic guy who says "Let's make Germany Great again. " And it appealed to many who had reason to be proud of their past but felt betrayed and disenfranchised. In 70 years will people still be discussing the rise ( and fall) of MAGA? I hope so.
You are utterly confused. Who uses censorship, who indoctrinates children, Weaponizes the DOJ, even has antifa jackboots. The US mainstream media does Goebbels justice.
Bundeswehr is the army of the (democratic) Federal Republic of Germany, established in 1955; the army limited in size by the Treaty of Versailles to a strength of 100,000 was the Reichswehr
No way! Just because Trump is a pathological liar, convicted felon, grifter, con artist, insurrectionist, fascist, and serial misogynist doesn’t make him like Hitler. These are the reasons why I voted for the orange Jesus!
Aside from the Trump/Hitler parallel, the initiation of the Spanish Civil War is far more relevant to condition today in the US. Scholars and pundits are distracting from history that more effectively instructs the most important precautions and responses to a potential coup.
Bavaria is heavily Catholic, which tends to make folks conservative, sort of like the American South tends to be more religious than more liberal sections of the country. Preachers generally support the established order, though there are exceptions, of course.
@@makeadifference4all Yes indeed, Time Life's tenor was "for better or for worse ... has done the most to influence the events of the year" according to my online research he is also ranked in basically every country's top ten of publications to date ... kind of makes one think how the fascination still holds ... what a profitable venture - My favorite is still Norman Mailer's final work " Castle in the Forest" That's just an opinion - Although it eems rather suggestive and downright ludicrous, promulgating that one individual single-handedly most affected the events of 1938
How? A little song, a little dance, a little Seltzer down your pants. Got to keep a sense of humor. Herr Trumpster will probably kick the bucket sooner than later, and even if he doesn't, he's going senile in a hurry.
The host needs to keep his opinions to himself. You two are why authors should be research before one waste their time listening or reading there bias books.
Good grief, this is an incredibly presentist take on Weimar history, cherry picking the history for analogies, and often stretching them beyond belief. I had to laugh out loud when Ryback talks about Hitler being banned from Twitter, for fuck's sake. I know that was a slip, but it was a very telling slip. What he leaves out is the key differences - the sheer instability of the Weimar Republic, a "democracy without democrats" as its been aptly described. He alludes to Article 48, the ability of the German President to simply rule by decree, something that was already being used during the Weimar period and something the Nazis used to eliminate democracy entirely once they came to power. (There's no current parallel in the modern USA - sorry, conspiracy theorists.) Another key factor was that in Weimar, there wasn't just polarization among the voters, but absolute polarization among the parties sitting in the Reichstag. No party had a majority, and the Nazis and the Communists (the two parties that almost no one else was willing to work with) were the largest single parties. Neither the left, nor the right, nor even a broad center could form a majority coalition. This led to backroom dealings among power-hungry figures like Schleicher and Papen to install Hitler as someone they thought they could control. Again, not only is the US not a parliamentary system, but it still has a functioning political center - after flirting with the far-wing of the party in 2020, the Democrats have gone fully back to the center in 2024. One could also mention the instability created by the overwhelming power of Prussia, a state within a state, in the German federal system, and the collapse of the Prussian government in the early 1930s. Finally, another eyeroll was Rybeck's statement that within the Nazi Party "Streicher was the socialist, Hitler was the Nationalist". That's an oversimplification if there ever was one. This is amateur-hour historical research.
You don't need a single Article 48 for Trump to bypass the checks & balances of democracy. He's alread done that in his first term and is now doing it again with his cabinet appointments by recess appointment and permanent "Acting" secretaries. Trump showed us all the holes in the US democracy, and that the US checks & balances are nothing more than tootless "norms" that people have to choose to obey. The congressional GOP will not stand up to Trump and will allow him to do any lawless/unethical act he wants.
@@terri6854 You're proof that some people really like to fantasize that they're living under fascism and bravely resisting it. I had grandparents who escaped actual Naziism. I understand what fascism actually is, and I don't have a high opinion of the vainglory and stolen valor of Americans who think they're facing the equivalent.
Tell a big lie and keep repeating it?! As if this didn't happen long before '33 and long after. Good grief, get a grip of yourselves. Mr Ryback, you should have heeded your editor's wise caution for this talk. I'm old enough to have witnessed several iterations of this 'boy who cried wolf' gambit since the '80s, though it was being played out in Europe in the late '60s and '70s. The most recent iteration of the smear cast at Meloni. Before her it was Orban and Morawiecki. Have the parallels intersected? Not at all. This villager isn't running to the hill to aid the shepherd anymore.
@magnubeido8832 Crying wolf often prevents the catastrophes. Because some people can see the wolf and others cannot. Right now in the U.S. women and young girls are dying, suffering major health problems, forced to carry their rapist's baby because of the overturning of Roe. Fertility and research for diseases are in jeopardy. Sometime the strong man does not come in boot straps just in orange makeup, red tie, and bouffant hair along with his black robed accomplices and GOP cronies.
Since WW2, which cost 50 million lives, Europeans have rejected fascism and put in place democratic institutions, and there hasn't been a European war for 80 years. After that amount of peace, rational warnings about the rise of fascism look like 'the boy who cried wolf' to inexperienced people.
To continue supressing the reasons Hitler had to come into power and try to save the Germanic peoples from the same globalist powers we here in America are being subjected to tyrrany by. The problem is becoming the opressor seems to be necessary as history shows us occurs again and again.
It is interesting to see answers to that question ,perhaps the confusion,hatred,desperation are initial triggers .it is difficult to be otherwise in 1930 in Germany😢
And here we are, 79 years later. Eternal recurrence, History repeats itself.
Basic math and history isn’t your strong suit huh 🤔
Actually…the Hitler examinations are so meaningful precisely BECAUSE they resonate so closely with so many strains of authority, governance, mass influence and the role of mass fear-mongering in the world we live in. Even in the realm of what might be called the aesthetics of power and the fetishization of military hegemony, the example of Nazi Germany holds a compelling mirror up to contemporary society.
Agree
What a word salad!
RUclips Kanal von Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H:" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil "!
Bringt Licht ins Dunkel !
Terrible take. Which country just recently lost in a world war and parallels 1920s and 1930s Germany? The answer is there isn't one.
@@barbaras2669it's not a word salad simply because you can't understand it. It's incredible how often uneducated people use that term incorrectly.
Echoes from the past still resonating with us today. How many today are even aware of this?
Revisionist historians are trying to tell everyone it's not true, but it is true. People can't deny it.
Critical book. Essential for understanding the times we are living through. Hopefully enough people will heed the lessons it puts forward.
They will, the American people will elect Trump & stop the authoritarianism of the last 4 years.
People need to quit calling every populist that comes down the pike a Hitler.
This needs more views. A successful sociopath and con artist will make use of and never underestimate the common human traits of ignorance, entitlement, tribalism, complacency, gullibility, graft and greed.
Yes, in summary, communists suck.
We might be lucky as now we are facing a 78 year old, instead of one in his prime like hitler back then. But that doesn’t make my heart lighter in any sense.
@@texasshawshank
Biden is out.
Harris lost
Thank God.
@@richarddietzen3137
Most politicians and their propaganda mouthpieces
know this.
Why not a book on the collapse of American journalism?
As Ryback suggests in this video, Alfred Hugenberg was Hitler's equivalent of our Rupert Murdoch, spreading right-wing disinformation and helping to destroy the German journalistic ecosystem. Social media wasn't a thing back then, of course, so that's a new element of the mix now that a book of the kind you're suggesting would have to take into account.
Check out ' Unfreedom Of The Press " by Mark Levin.
Same thing that happened throughout Germany an Austria in the late 20s
None better than Michael Parenti on the subject: www.google.com/search?q=miachael+parenti+on+journalism
Chomsky to a lesser extent.
Prescient comment given what the Washington Post and the LA Times announced this week.
Thank you this was very enlightening. I was born in 1944 in Germany and I still do not fully understand why my Dutch mother and German father moved from Amsterdam to Halberstadt in 1937. This is why I am so interested .
Will now be viewing you--OFTEN. My husband and I enjoyed this library several times when we spent summers in Paris. Ahhhh the memories!!! What joy!😅🎉
Mwaaaahaha! Ah, The French!
Paul Masson red wine for the discerning wine connoisseur!
The tragedy is that this is unknown history in America.
RUclips Kanal von Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H;" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil "!
Yep, & this led to the election of Joe Biden & the subsequent disaster that we've all witnessed.
And it won't be if the election goes 🟥🟥🟥🟥
So true. It's nasty history, likely to be repeated.
@@AlGrant-bh9or No. it's not.
How thankful I am to Professor John Clarke, Fellow of All Souls, who delivered this lecture to us at UCB, the nascent University of Buckingham. This was in 1977; we were all law students who read some history, too. Fast forward to November 5, 2024. Bonfire Night and deja vu combined, I fear.
The greatest threat to democracy is a demagogue
~Aristotle
How nice to see the American library in Paris, where I spent many happy hours in 1979, during my year abroad. The elderly woman at the front desk was always very friendly and helpful. I also remember talks by Joyce Carol Oates, who was very sweet, and by Susan Sontag, who was, well,nasty.
That sounds like an incredible experience, seeing those authors in real life, especially in Paris
Greatly needed
"My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see that I was right."
His body will rise from the dead and be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
Schleicher was never Hitler's enabler. He was always Hitler's enemy. Van Papen was Hitler's enabler. Van Papen entered into his bargain with Hitler in order to get back in power. Schleicher had put Von Papen in power as a puppet for Schleicher in early 1932. But he then later had Von Papen removed, and had himself appointed by Hindenburg in December, 1932. But Schleicher immediately ran into trouble keeping his position. As a gambit to increase his support, he sought to break off a faction of the Nazis that would support him and undermine Hitler. He approached Gregor Strasser for this purpose. Hitler found out and drove Strasser out of the party, ending that threat. Hitler and Von Papen then had a series of meetings in order to plot against Schleicher. It was Von Papen, who was well liked by Hindenburg, who got Hindenburg to hold his nose and appoint Hitler as chancellor in late January, 1933. Hitler then had both Schleicher and Stasser murdered 18 months later in the Knight of the Long Knives, even though neither had anything to do with the SA or Rohm.
Excellent.
I’ve heard a lot of this before but hearing the facts more minutely parsed is very scary 😮
Excellent book and discussion. Bravo👏👏👏👏👏
greetings from south wales, uk
thought it was a bookshop,
lovely to hear of the library..
thankyou for sharing this 🙂
Just skip to minute 8. They are just kissing each others behind for the first 7 minutes.
Different version of history has a ton of interviews with people who lived it. Including many soldiers, civilians, Red Cross, & many foreigners who volunteered to work in Germany. Includes a Spaniard who served in the Blue Division, & even Ribbentrop's son (served in 1st WaffenSS Division as a tanker)
RUclips Kanal von Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H;" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil "!
Thank you
At 54:00 the fact is mentioned that Hitler's party was on its last legs when he (Hitler) was providentially saved by Paul Von Hindenburg and nominated for the chancellorship of Germany.
What made the fascist movement in Germany so attractive to conservatives like Hindenburg was the fact that the fascists commanded their own deadly, violent militia: the brown shirts.
Conservatives viewed the brownshirts as the only ones that could defend the propertied class from a communist takeover. When the German conservatives (with Hindenburg at their lead) realized that the fascists were about to be swept away, the conservatives SPRANG INTO ACTION and saved Hitler and the fascists from oblivion.
Are you saying German conservatives used the brown shirts to smash communist terrorists?
Reading from Hitler to Trump, will no one rid us of this meddlesome president?
With thundering applause…
A grand republic that will last a thousand years...
Hindenburg's great mistake is that he should have stepped down and restored the Hohenzollerns to the throne instead of appointing Hitler as Chancellor.
He didn't have that power under the Weimar constitution--not to mention that such a move wouldn't have had enough popular support to stick.
Káiser was completely discredited except in a tiny segment of the population.
Well hell. You’re describing almost identically the path trump is on.
Well, isn't it?
And along came this charismatic guy who says "Let's make Germany Great again. " And it appealed to many who had reason to be proud of their past but felt betrayed and disenfranchised. In 70 years will people still be discussing the rise ( and fall) of MAGA? I hope so.
You are utterly confused.
Who uses censorship,
who indoctrinates children, Weaponizes the DOJ,
even has antifa jackboots.
The US mainstream media does Goebbels justice.
An excellent film about this era is Babylon Berlin...on Netflix.
Wow! How come I've only just found you? Most definitely a case of better late than never!
Bundeswehr is the army of the (democratic) Federal Republic of Germany, established in 1955; the army limited in size by the Treaty of Versailles to a strength of 100,000 was the Reichswehr
They should have had police instead of army. Police were not limited by the treaty.
@@stevenpace892 Of course, Germany had police. But police is lightly armed, and responsible for internal order; an army's purpose is national defense.
Seems these gentlemen are trying to draw parallels between Trump and Hitler.
They are propagandists, like Goebbels.
hmm, wonder if it has anything to do with the stuff republicans andrelated organizations have been doing
@@janettemasiello5560 trump is using the exact narratives as goebbels did
@Wind-oh-Wishp
Lol
Democrats depend on morons
No way! Just because Trump is a pathological liar, convicted felon, grifter, con artist, insurrectionist, fascist, and serial misogynist doesn’t make him like Hitler. These are the reasons why I voted for the orange Jesus!
Yikes! Here we are again
People stubbornly adhering to false principles of democracy.
Aside from the Trump/Hitler parallel, the initiation of the Spanish Civil War is far more relevant to condition today in the US. Scholars and pundits are distracting from history that more effectively instructs the most important precautions and responses to a potential coup.
Wow... thank you.
This sounds pretty depressing on this date Nov 9, 2024 after the American election
So...Germany's North and South areas are kinda like the US. I don't know...is there something about the latitude people live at?
Bavaria is heavily Catholic, which tends to make folks conservative, sort of like the American South tends to be more religious than more liberal sections of the country. Preachers generally support the established order, though there are exceptions, of course.
@@lawsonj39 The German Appalachia.
Kind of like also north and south. It has long been a very natural division of Germany
@@jackrice2770 More like the German Texas, including secessionist tendencies
Wasn't library protected during WWII?
Who is financing?
He literally described France. That was wild.
Time Life Man of the Year 1938
Yes, although the magazine made it clear that the title is not bestowed as an honor but as a recognition of who most affected the events of 1938.
@@makeadifference4all Yes indeed, Time Life's tenor was "for better or for worse ... has done the most to influence the events of the year" according to my online research he is also ranked in basically every country's top ten of publications to date ... kind of makes one think how the fascination still holds ... what a profitable venture - My favorite is still Norman Mailer's final work " Castle in the Forest" That's just an opinion - Although it eems rather suggestive and downright ludicrous, promulgating that one individual single-handedly most affected the events of 1938
Sound familiar?
Learn the truth, think for yourself !
Think critically, and discourse with other critical thinkers.
While Americans look for analogies in the US on the right, in Canada this plays out on the left.
Procuro evitar y esquivar estos centros de gringolandismo, pero igual valdria la pena éste...
“Sound familiar?” Yep!
How? A little song, a little dance, a little Seltzer down your pants. Got to keep a sense of humor. Herr Trumpster will probably kick the bucket sooner than later, and even if he doesn't, he's going senile in a hurry.
A great book😂
Bittermann sounds just like Roger Ebert. Even looks a little like him.
Wallstreet, Federal Reserve , Bank of England. Truman Smith. Adolph 's ancestors.
WRONG: ROTHCHILD'S SYCOPHANTS
14:34-18:32
28:30-29:00
50:50-53:47
Jesus.
Oh fuck this starts off bad...lm out
If trump ever read a book he read Hitlers instructions!
When you are brainwashed by MSM Propaganda
Pedro Sánchez Spains President is a good student of thosectimes
Hitler was a man of very contradictory appetites.
The host needs to keep his opinions to himself. You two are why authors should be research before one waste their time listening or reading there bias books.
Adolph like Donald😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Yeah, but at least Trump had a primary.
If so, why did he continue to allow Jim Acosta to harass him? Why wasn't he sent to a camp or just disappeared?
Nope!
No, Adolph like Joseph.
@@Seekthetruth3000 Trump want a total white race, but he won't be able to save it! Sucks for you, eh?
Good grief, this is an incredibly presentist take on Weimar history, cherry picking the history for analogies, and often stretching them beyond belief. I had to laugh out loud when Ryback talks about Hitler being banned from Twitter, for fuck's sake. I know that was a slip, but it was a very telling slip. What he leaves out is the key differences - the sheer instability of the Weimar Republic, a "democracy without democrats" as its been aptly described. He alludes to Article 48, the ability of the German President to simply rule by decree, something that was already being used during the Weimar period and something the Nazis used to eliminate democracy entirely once they came to power. (There's no current parallel in the modern USA - sorry, conspiracy theorists.) Another key factor was that in Weimar, there wasn't just polarization among the voters, but absolute polarization among the parties sitting in the Reichstag. No party had a majority, and the Nazis and the Communists (the two parties that almost no one else was willing to work with) were the largest single parties. Neither the left, nor the right, nor even a broad center could form a majority coalition. This led to backroom dealings among power-hungry figures like Schleicher and Papen to install Hitler as someone they thought they could control. Again, not only is the US not a parliamentary system, but it still has a functioning political center - after flirting with the far-wing of the party in 2020, the Democrats have gone fully back to the center in 2024. One could also mention the instability created by the overwhelming power of Prussia, a state within a state, in the German federal system, and the collapse of the Prussian government in the early 1930s. Finally, another eyeroll was Rybeck's statement that within the Nazi Party "Streicher was the socialist, Hitler was the Nationalist". That's an oversimplification if there ever was one. This is amateur-hour historical research.
You don't need a single Article 48 for Trump to bypass the checks & balances of democracy. He's alread done that in his first term and is now doing it again with his cabinet appointments by recess appointment and permanent "Acting" secretaries.
Trump showed us all the holes in the US democracy, and that the US checks & balances are nothing more than tootless "norms" that people have to choose to obey. The congressional GOP will not stand up to Trump and will allow him to do any lawless/unethical act he wants.
@@terri6854 You're proof that some people really like to fantasize that they're living under fascism and bravely resisting it.
I had grandparents who escaped actual Naziism. I understand what fascism actually is, and I don't have a high opinion of the vainglory and stolen valor of Americans who think they're facing the equivalent.
For whom did you vote?
Strausser reminds me of bernie Sanders
No, that would be Pence and McConnell.
Lightweights
Tell a big lie , double down? Are they talking about Joe Scarborough ? Or Hillary?
They are talking about how Nazi Germany got started. It's what Chump and his Corporate Fascists want.
CIA stooges having coffee hour.
Tell a big lie and keep repeating it?! As if this didn't happen long before '33 and long after. Good grief, get a grip of yourselves. Mr Ryback, you should have heeded your editor's wise caution for this talk.
I'm old enough to have witnessed several iterations of this 'boy who cried wolf' gambit since the '80s, though it was being played out in Europe in the late '60s and '70s. The most recent iteration of the smear cast at Meloni. Before her it was Orban and Morawiecki. Have the parallels intersected? Not at all. This villager isn't running to the hill to aid the shepherd anymore.
Those who cry wolf can be right. They only have to be correct once for the results to be dire
@magnubeido8832 Crying wolf often prevents the catastrophes. Because some people can see the wolf and others cannot. Right now in the U.S. women and young girls are dying, suffering major health problems, forced to carry their rapist's baby because of the overturning of Roe. Fertility and research for diseases are in jeopardy. Sometime the strong man does not come in boot straps just in orange makeup, red tie, and bouffant hair along with his black robed accomplices and GOP cronies.
Found the swine
Since WW2, which cost 50 million lives, Europeans have rejected fascism and put in place democratic institutions, and there hasn't been a European war for 80 years. After that amount of peace, rational warnings about the rise of fascism look like 'the boy who cried wolf' to inexperienced people.
@@magnubeido832lightweight response.
Every historian has his OWN explanation of why Hitler rose to power😂😂😂😂
What's so funny. They all come out and say the same thing. I see you never read.
@@juanitaross5492 I Have some 300 books about WWII in both German and English
No you don't. 😂😂😂😂
Are they equating Hitler with Kamala Harris?
OF COURSE NOT. An apt comparison would be with the megalomaniac from Mar-a-Lago who has openly expressed contempt for the U.S. Constitution.
and was just voted in?
Each time Israel commits atrocities, media and print go in overdrive to talk about Hitler, holocaust etc. What is the purpose?
To continue supressing the reasons Hitler had to come into power and try to save the Germanic peoples from the same globalist powers we here in America are being subjected to tyrrany by.
The problem is becoming the opressor seems to be necessary as history shows us occurs again and again.
Demonstrating the irony of the victims of the holocaust visiting much of the same upon the aggrieved people they have displaced.
Maybe because Israel is following Hitlers script!😮
Where do you live that your media and print are doing this? I don't want to say it's not true, but it's definitely not true for Americans.
Never got much of the popular vote? Sounds like kamala
Almost half the votes. Not insignificant
@ look at where they were. Look at number of counties red and number blue. The country is tired of the urban holes
@@Wo8910 So what. Nixon won 49 states in 1972? And what happened to him again?
It is interesting to see answers to that question ,perhaps the confusion,hatred,desperation are initial triggers .it is difficult to be otherwise in 1930 in Germany😢