M Cave And The Disappearance Of Kenny Veach (snakebitmgee) | Unsolved Mysteries
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- This is a documentary about the weird disappearance of Kenny Veach and M cave. Kenny was a 47 year old Nevada resident who had been an avid hiker for over 20 years. After talking about a cave he found (M cave) he was urged to re-locate it. He packed his bag for an overnight trip, and left for the Mojave Desert on the 10th of November 2014. Kenny was never seen again. After he failed to return home, his girlfriend and family reported him missing to the Las vegas police and the search began. Veach's whereabouts were traced back to a location shown in his M cave hike video. They then discovered his phone on November 22 near an old mine shaft he had previously visited. The police sent a camera down the mine shaft in hopes they would find him, but they were unsuccessful.
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He might still be out there anything is possible what if he would've popped up at his families home tomorrow that would be one heck of a new years gift
I agree with you. If Kenny did find the M cave again, how would he prove it without his phone or camera? It makes no sense for him to undertake this trip without those items. He had a RUclips channel specifically to share his videos, and he hyped this trip so that more people would be tuned in for the results. Also, the sound and your enunciation have both been super crisp and clear on the last 2 videos. Great work!
My thoughts exactly!!!🙏😢
We basically have the same thumbnail! 😂 I love black cats 😄
@@adriankakalivodova9531 Sheryon is a liar, she waited 8 days to report Kenny missing even though she told anyone who would listen that Kenny was suicidal. Kenny bragged how little food or water he takes on these hikes so why would a woman who claims to love him wait 8 days to report him missing? I have the original police report that proves everything Sheryon said is a lie. Kenny was caught on cctv breaking into the Enchanted Forest Reiki center on Jul 15, 2018.
4 years after he went missing. Kenny's brother owns that shop. 7 members of his family positively identified him in the video. I have text messages proving that Kenny is alive
I think someone made a fictionalized found footage film based on this story. I can't remember the name though.
Okay, the GRAMMAR is straight. Very few people type complete sentences, so when I see someone coming through in the comments, I have no choice but to like and acknowledge!
(1) He did not take his video camera, therefore he was not looking for the M cave.
(2) His phone was found down a mine shaft without him, as though he threw it down there to prevent anyone from tracking him.
Conclusion: He committed suicide and doesn't want to be found OR he faked his disappearance and doesn't want to be found.
his phone was found near the mine shaft, not actually in the mine shaft. that leads me to believe he may have left the phone there on purpose, as he had filmed that mine shaft and posted that video to youtube so he knew that is one of the places authorities might search for him. he might have meant for the phone to be a sign to his girlfriend that he intentionally left it and went off to do what she worried he might do
Lol at blue- and you say their comment was stupid. That is the stupidest theory.
He had a whole online presence and RUclips channel. A family friends and a gf.
The guy died in a mine shaft somewhere and it's not worth the effort of law enforcement to locate his body.
@@ClickClack_Bam That still doesn't explain why he would leave his video camera at home, especially in the event that he re-discovered the M cave or found something else extraordinary.
Or he was murdered and the murderer threw away his phone to prevent from being tracked ...
No matter how careful you are exploring abandoned mine shafts is extremely dangerous. One wrong move and you are instantly buried under tons of rocks or falling hundreds of feet in a vertical drop. Authorities would never be able to retrieve the body even if they knew which cave. And there are literally thousands out abandoned mines in that area
If you overlay a map of mysterious disappearances with a map of old mines in the USA they line up very well. No doubt there are a lot of bodies lying underground.
What’s your experience?
I doubt it’s thousands, more like hundreds maybe.
@@littlebear274that’s a misrepresentation
The Missing 411 author kind of made the images look more like they overlap then they actually do
The more I think about this case, the more I think something weird may have happened to him, it’s definitely a strange one for sure…
I was thinking the same thing. I believe the vibration he felt was a warning
Was I the only one who guessed right yesterday? 😉
Disasterthon - True Horror This was an excellent production. Your channel just gets better and better! Good job, my friend! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😊
he could've just turned his phone off. why would he leave it behind?
the vibrations too...area 51 strikes again
@@isabellaangeline2175 maybe she bumped him off, she knew Too much i reckon 🤔
It sounds like Kenny was very fortunate to have a person in his life that understood him as deeply as his girlfriend did, and who shared his love of the desert, and just being in the desert. Kenny remarked she "is good at the law of allowing". Those of us that contemplate the abyss, hope that we too will meet such a fellow being, wherever our journey may take us.
Best comments always get the fewest likes. This is exactly what I thought, and it warmed my heart just a little to know he wasn't totally alone and found some happiness, however fleeting. I hope
Actually no, she either didn’t understand him and his mental illness at all, or she may have been ill herself. If she DID, she would not have fueled this. She would have gotten him help. At least tried to.
God forbid anyone suffering with mental illness end up with someone who “allows” them to wander in the desert without proper knowledge and equipment. That’s part of why this man is dead. Because he didn’t have anyone with a functional brain in his life who tried to get him help. My last serious boyfriend was a total abusive POS, but I damn sure would not have let him go backcountry anywhere by himself because I know he is seriously mentally ill and that would be a death sentence. Hell no
@@hayorge27 he was alone. He died alone in the desert, likely of dehydration or suicide. This is such a bizarre take.
Find someone that cares enough to never let you go into a dangerous area like the desert ALONE. He was very alone.
Sheryon was never Kenny's greatest love, she was his conspirator. She waited 8 days to report him missing yet she was so worried about his mental state. She also told the police she was his ex girlfriend. I have a copy of the original missing persons report that proves whst a liar she is. Kenny is alive and she and several members of his family knows where he is
@@Tsumami__ Exactly, he was left alone
I'm not sure if I'm disturbed myself...but its channels like these that make me feel like if I ever died in a crazy way, thousands will hear my story. It's comforting lol
It's a thought!!!🙏🤔
Only if thousands know who u are. Otherwise its just your loved ones who will know. 😥
If this is true and you are disturbed you are in good company...some of these types of channels have huge amounts of views. Take care fellow human.
Wow most people have just sensationalized this and focuse on the conspiracies surrounding it. I have heard this story countless times from many different narrators but you are the first to shed light on his depression. Well done !
True E, but too many things in this point to suicide, such as his history, having a weapon with him, finding his phone and such (which he would need to prove the m cave was even real)
The depression thing has been a main theory in this case for years bro lol dunno what you talking about
Not true. Every channel I saw this story on talked about his mental issues.
@@pandahsykes602 exactly. Literally EVERYONE mentions that.
I agree with the suicide theory; I think that’s why he left his phone and his video camera behind. He probably went to some remote cave and shot himself. The Mojave is an enormous place to search, with many caves, and many branching tunnels and shafts per cave, so it doesn’t seem at all unusual to me that his body has never been found.
Hope he’s at peace, wherever he rests.
Whatever happened the animals ate his ass and he nothing but bones now
Most people who kill themselves show no outward signs of depression. He definitely committed suicide
The happiest person you know can be the most depressed.. 😐
@E Never heard of 'Proof beyond a reasonable doubt' then?
@@ZedLeppelin1989 Still isn't proof.
Depression is crazy. The person seems fine
, happy and normal and next thing you know the person is just gone.
You are so right. People who say that a person "doesn't LOOK depressed" don't understand that depression manifests itself in different ways in different people, and the masks they wear in public vary.
Exactly. I hate these types of cases where people say the person didn't seem depressed or wouldn't have commited suicide despite all evidence pointing to it, as though loads of suicidal people haven't faked being happy
And once the person has decided to complete suicide, they are light and breezy in affect, as the weight of the world is lifted from their shoulders.
This is why close friends say things like "but she didn't seem sad and depressed" because the person has made up her mind and is experiencing a sense of lightness and relief in anticipation.
Usually people are upbeat and seem “happy” when they have major depression so that they don’t alarm others when they have decided to take their own lives.
@@royalcrumble2384 because EVERYONE says they have it now!!
I think what effected Kenny was infrasound. Possibly used to keep strays from the path away from US Government classified areas. The way he described how it felt is exactly what it feels like to be “attacked” by infrasound. It makes your body vibrate and almost feel like you’re burning, you get sick and terrified and have to leave. It can be so bad that it can actually hurt you although I’ve never heard of that happening (it probably has). Kenny went somewhere he shouldn’t have and I don’t know what happened to him but it isn’t good.
Check out Dyatlov incident. Creepy and similar
@@doonagoding6146 link please?
@@scout_princess just put dyatlov pass in the search but it's not very similar imo. It's in the Soviet Union in the 60s and there's no clear answer to why all of these hikers died, some with some weird mysterious things like radioactive clothes and shit. Definitely a super cool story if you've never checked it out.
I do like the infrasound idea. Like the microwave emitter humvees they use for crowd control, makes your skin feel like it's on fire.
@@doonagoding6146 Both cases are so mysterious and scary..
@@wt5284 the Dyatlov Pass mystery was solved.
Unfortunately I don’t think that there is anything deeper to this story- just a person suffering from mental illness who couldn’t battle it anymore. I have personal experience with bipolar/depression and I can relate to Kenny. Personally, I think he committed suicide but staged it as an accidental death (possibly for life insurance purposes as some policies don’t cover suicide). His behavior and some of the things he did reminded me of my own plans to make my death seem accidental and not a suicide.
It doesn’t add up that a very experienced hiker like Kenny didn’t bother to remember the general area of the “M cave”. He was obviously familiar with the dangers of abandoned mine shafts and knew that body recoveries can be too dangerous to carry out. His belongings seemed intentionally placed to corroborate his “plan to find the M cave”.
Why wouldn’t he bring a camera if his true intention was to find the M cave and share it online? The first time I heard this story I was intrigued but as I discovered more details, I realized there’s no big conspiracy.
Agreed, and I think it’s so disgusting that some people so desperately want Kenny’s story to be some weird mystery that they’re completely ignoring the words of the woman who knew him best. They’re acting like she’s lying about him having told her that no one would ever find his body. That’s so disrespectful.
@@isabellaangeline2175 Biggest con for mysteries. No matter how likely an outcome seems to be, since it’s unsolved there will always be those who will have their own conclusions, no matter how outlandish it might be.
I agree. I also hope you are doing well now!
I couldn’t agree more with you my friend.
@@EnZo7992 Do you ever notice this on these so-called, “BIIIIIIIIG-MYSTERIOUS-DEATHS” and so many times after the person is dead, word gets out that the deceased person
said to somebody that is very close to them or they said it to somebody that was the closest whatsoever to them. Here are those words. “If anything happens to me nobody will ever find my body”
I have lost count of the times I’ve read that out of everybody from housewives / construction workers 👷♂️ /hunters / upset pissed off 😤 or, completely distraught 😭 girlfriend’s.
Underwater divers / Oil-Field Employees / Military-Members, Etc etc. The list is so long of the people that have said those words.
And then when nobody can locate a body that really amps up one conspiracy theory after another so fast once those words get revealed.
And the funny thing is we never really know if the person said that or not. The only reason we know about it is somebody that is supposedly close to the person that said it,
is because they stepped forward and they say that he told me this and we have no way to prove if the guy actually did or not.
Or, the girl did it or not. You know, she said the last famous words. Or did she?? Man, or woman. We have no way to prove it those words were ever said. And many times I think they were never said. What do you think 🤔???
I agree with you, I think Kenny committed suicide. As a survivor of three attempted suicides myself, I want to thank you for you touching telling of Kenny’s story. So many sensationalise stories like his but as always you treated him with care and compassion. Thank you. Xx
And i Want to THANK YOU For still Being here 💖💖
You tried to kill yourself 3 different times and failed every time? How is that even possible. Lmfao
Stop lying.
You obviously want attention and sympathy more than anything.
@@meghanmisaliar Jesus Christ, who hurt you?
I just realized something. His phone was found near a shaft right? Maybe he didn't drop it on the way in, he may have thrown it outside from within. My theory is that he was stuck in a deep cave and had no way of climbing out, so instead he throws his phone out in hopes that someone tracks the GPS and finds him. I would check all caves within throwing distance of that phone and see if you could spot his body from the entrance.
Now knowing that he didn’t bring his camera and that he left his phone at a mine shaft only 4 hours into his hike has certainly changed my mind on what caused Kenny’s demise. Considering the girlfriend’s comment is true, that pretty much solidifies in my mind that he came to his end by suicide.
@@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits bla bla bla
@@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits It was his "girlfriend" that made the comments but she assisted him in staging his disappearance.
@@susanveach9013 when he bought his house he broke up with her that probably made her mad
@@susanveach9013 how do you specifically know this?
@Peepz Snap that was Kenny’s sister in law Susan. She was married to his older brother.
I think what Kenny experienced in the M cave was something that the military uses to keep people out of areas they don’t want them exploring. It’s a low frequency of electronic waves that we can’t hear because they are too low but our body does react to them. I can’t remember what it’s called but it causes the person to become physically uncomfortable and causes a feeling of dread and fear. It’s really interesting, I remember hearing a navy seal talking about it. I think that’s what caused his body to vibrate and what caused his intense feeling of fear.
That's why this story sounds familiar! I also heard said story from said Navy seal.
@@MoritsukiRei Yeah, it’s something that the military uses when fences don’t keep people out! Pretty crazy!
@@MoritsukiRei Are you referring to MrBallen? 😊
Wow, this started off sounding exactly like a creepypasta, but it turned out much more sad. As many have said, it seems pretty clear Kenny chose to end his life, though we may never truly know what happened. Thank you for the care taken in making this video. I appreciate the time taken in detailing the likely truth of the matter, rather than sensationalizing it into a “~spooky cave disappearance~” campfire story. I love tales like that but this was a real human life.
I feel so bad for Kenny's girlfriend; she literally has no way of knowing what happened to the man she loved.
I think he faked his disappearance.
@@uglyhobo4602 Yes he did!
@@uglyhobo4602 Either way, that poor woman lost the man she loved.
She could of made up things saying he's depressed and stuff
@@jenniferbrewer5370 No she is part of the cover up.
Depression... The evil that lurks in the darkness of one's very soul.
Although there has been much awareness about depression, so many people do not understand the Overwhelming feeling of Despair that cannot just be ignored.
I have dealt with it for nearly 20 years.
If Kenny ended it... I completely understand.
You call it "outlandish", but the truth is often stranger than fiction. The U.S. gov't actually has installations like these across the country (especially where Kenny was) and sonic weaponry is nothing new.
I believe you, Kenny! You dont have to go hiking 40 miles in the desert heat to prove anything to us eternally online people!
I know he is probably dead but I wish I could have told him that. He seems like a genuinely nice guy with a deep sense of adventure. What a loss for this world. RIP
Jesus christ, the "GF's" testimony sounds like a book, not someone who just lost their boyfriend.
Theory #5. She whacked him and made up a story about his “depression” 🤯
I wish the videos were longer. For videos like these 12 to 15 minutes long is perfect. They are just way to short. I do appreciate your effort and the time you put in.
I lived in Las Vegas for 16 years (1989-2005) and my first husband and I went out one desert winter day to see how close we could get to Area 51... as we drove down this paved road that turned into a dirt road, we passed the first sign that said no trespassing, turn around, etc. We made it as far as a guard booth that looked empty and we were going to drive on through...But all of a sudden there were men all around us! Where’d they come from?! We didn’t see anybody up to that point!
They approached the vehicle and very sternly and seriously said “Didn’t you see the signs back there? You’re trespassing.”
We played dumb and said no. That’s when I noticed how armed they were! They didn’t pull any guns on us, but they were definitely visible!
I remember seeing 5 of them. But there could have been more.
Of course they didn’t believe us and told us to turn around right away and said that if we continued, we could (would?) be arrested. So we apologized, I smiled and waved at the guys with the guns and we turned around and left.
We did not see anything or anybody until that moment. I have a feeling that they saw us way before we saw them!
Some years later I became friends with a man who used to work security there and that was his job! His shift was the night shift and he would be out there in the desert on the lookout for people just like us! And he wasn’t the only one who was out there. So don’t think for a minute that you can sneak in there even if you try a not so direct route.
I was in my 20s. My husband was in his 30s. It was just thrilling enough, but I wouldn’t ever try that again!
I've made the pilgrimage, back before the Gov't would admit it was there, and when the "NSA" was supposedly "No Such Agency"...
They have armed and armored patrols routinely watching every public road around Area 51. You were already spotted before you even turned off to the road that got you to the dirt road... AND that was ONE "fire team". There were at least three more, equally or more armed, just out of easy view, watching you. AND not only CAN you be arrested, they're cleared for deadly force at their own discretion. They don't generally want to run about with any excuse to kill anyone... BUT they're certainly within their command and protocols to do so at any time and for any reason. Technically just that trespassing was enough.
Back with the "Storm Area 51" thing that trended on the internet, I was sincerely concerned (not that I could do anything about it one way or another) because that could've had far reaching fall-out... not just for Vegas or Area 51, but for YT and social media in general... especially when parents realize a stupid social media call ended their kids in the desert , and got a "possible terrorism" investigation launched on their whole family... They don't screw around or play with Area 51...
You CAN (at least) arrange appointments for limited tours. It's interesting, and you always feel just a little bit like they're obfuscating (clouding the issues) about something... It's just impossible to say what. ;o)
You can't sneak into area 51 by simply driving to it? Thanks for the tip, I'll write that down.
@@manormachine100 No! Don’t write it down!! They’ll show up at your doorstep!😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣😂😅
@@sparkyspark964 😂😂😂😂👌🏽👌🏽
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 I’m sure they did see us long before we saw them. And I know we could have gotten into real trouble...but as I was so young and dumb... it just seemed like a great adventure! I wouldn’t do it again that’s for sure!
Thank you for sharing. It’s always interesting to see what other people have to say and learn about what they know or experienced.
Do you by chance have any Finnish in your blood? Just wondering because of your user name.
My theories:
1. Fell in a mine shaft
2. Succumbed to the elements
3. The people of Area 51 killed him
I live near here and I’ve been to the back gates of Area 51; they are always watching you. And the symptoms he felt the first time, my military husband said that’s a real thing.
@L S nope, nope, and nope! Kenny staged his disappearance and is alive. His brother Ray and Sheryon are complicit and know where he is!
@@susanveach9013 interesting, how do you know that?
@@lyndsayms Because Kenny was caught on cctv footage breaking into his brother's Reiki center on Jul 15, 2018 4 years after he disappeared.His daughter, ex wife, sister, 2 nephews, niece and I all positively identified him.
@@susanveach9013 omg! Wow
@@lyndsayms yes you can find the footage the best version is on fs book Enchanted Forest robbery. The news version has Debbie V saying they watched the video 10 times and couldn't figure out who it was..funny thing though that 7 members of his family watched it 1 time and immediately knew it was Kenny. Ray V is complicit in Kenny's disappearance
RIP Kenny and condolences to his family and loved ones. Nice work Disasterthon.
What a sad story. He spent his whole out breathing fresh air, hiking, taking his body to as much as it could handle and still it may not have been enough. Keep this in mind should someone ever suggest to a depressed person "get some exercise"
I do get that. However exercise is still a generally good idea for most people. I read somewhere from a news source that doctors are trialling free swimming sessions for depressed patients instead of medication as a means to tackle depression.
Yes, better to hole yourself up in your sad little run down apartment in the dark than go out and get some fresh air and your blood pumping. God forbid you risk the one-in-a-million chance of ending up like Kenny.
@@skycloud4802 Shut up. Your idiotic, uninformed, ignorant comment puts lives at risk.
I love your channel. Your videos are so interesting and heartbreaking. You present the stories in a beautiful way, especially for such a young man. ♥️
I hope he wasn't pushed over the edge by not finding the M cave, I bet people were awful to him in the comments every time he came back empty handed. The internet is an awful place for someone who's already feeling like a failure.
It's such a shame that if you ever battle depression, your death will almost always be blamed on that. Shame on his girlfriend. Suicide without any evidence?? Such a likely story "you will never find me". I think she knows more.
He didn't take his camera with him at all despite supposedly trying to find and film a mysterious cave, left his phone behind as soon as he set out into the desert, brought only a gun with him when he normally didn't, and was battling depression and suicidal thoughts. Does it really take a genius to figure out what happened? He made up a story about a possibly dangerous cave to have an excuse to bring a gun to the desert, left his camera at home because he had no intention of filming anything or ever coming back, left his phone at the mine so no one could track it to find his body, went out into his favorite place in the world and put himself to rest. Have some respect for the dead and stop trying to make up conspiracy theories.
@@getsinged7631 Some people would rather believe conspiracy theories and point fingers at innocent loved ones than confront the reality of mental illness and suicide. It's a discussion they just don't want to have.
@@getsinged7631. This. Well stated. It’s a terrible and risky situation for a depressed person to have a gun nearby. Poor fella.
The most intriguing thing is that, if he intended to find the M shaped cave, how come he left his camera at home, losing the opportunity to film his findings? When did his girlfriend notice he had left it? Another point is that, supposedly, the mobile phone that appeared at the entrance of that mine shaft had GPS. Had he turned off its settings? How could he think that he could have been located in that case? Very probably, his remains could have been found in an area of four to five km around that mine, unless his corpse had been eaten by coyotes or other prey animals. However, where are his belongings? If he carried a back pack with essentials, they must be somewhere, even if he had committed suicide. I believe he was murdered and someone set fire to his body and belongings. It could have been anyone. Maybe somebody followed him and put an end to his life. It could be interesting to perform a satellite search for the M shaped cave. Another possibility is that he had found it and had gone into it, but having run out of food and water, he perished inside it. Find that cave and you might find him, even after all these years.
If there is anything I have learnt from homicide and other videos relating to people murdering others, it's that setting a corpse on fire is not going get the job done. It takes considerable amount of heat to be able to burn a body properly, as such if that were the case, his remains probably would have already been found.
@@TmsFin I have learned the same from watching way too many crime shows. You'd think a fire would completely destroy a corpse, but time after time there are still remains that are found by investigators. It's just so strange.
@@TmsFin Kenny staged his whole disappearance. 7 members of his family positively id'd him from the cctv footage of the break in at his brother's Reiki Center. I have this in writing
Awesome video, you keep finding these interesting stories most people have never heard of before.
Makes me wonder if the mysterious poster was the one behind Kenny’s disappearance. His warnings to not return to the M cave looked more like a veiled threat to me. What if he was a government person tasked with keeping people away from Area 51? Maybe this M cave has a secret government experiment or weapon hidden inside of it and as such they wanted to keep people as far away from it as possible, so they have this thing set up to keep trespassers away. That thing was probably what caused the vibrations Kenny felt within his body.
I’ve heard this story multiple times before but you covered it way better. Appreciate you adding the girlfriend’s statement at the end. Rip kenny
the major detail here:
He was near area 51.
sounds like he got too close to government secrets and they "dealt" with it. There's a lot of shit they don't want people to know about. especially around there.
Could be
Plus the cave made his body vibrate. That's another red flag.
@@GhostFan4Lifeyes there is so much these people in the comments clearly don’t know. I have heard crazy things and I know the truth about caves.
@Silverstar1178- 💯 I agree with all of you in Here, I immediately thought he was caught by the Government & Off’d. he wouldn’t be the 1st to be killed and made a coverup from the Evil powers that be. There are underground tunnels all over the US and I just don’t think That he would make videos which excited Him & set out to find this cave just to commit suicide.
He was posing videos which already alerted the Government and his Girlfriend could have been threatened to repeat the story given to her. If You knew As his “Girlfriend” that he was suicidal why would you even allow him to go alone or go at all😒
Anyway I’m glad you all are aware of the coverups & underground facilities which makes this Seem like He was Treading on dangerous areas.
Rest in Peace Kenny, sad case
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I really hope Kenny's girlfriend has found some peace and is happy wherever she is. He passed doing something he loved and I hope he found peace as well.
I can hear the depression in his voice. I agree with his girlfriend that he took his own life. Maybe the M cave never existed at all. After all he took "protection" with him but not the video camera he would've needed. R.I.P troubled soul ♥️
Appreciate the longer video 👌🏽
Great rendition of a well covered event. Prayers for his family and friends.
As one who puts great faith in Occam's razor, I believe Kenny committed suicide. I hope he's found the peace that he couldn't in life.
Occams razor would lead to foul play; not suicide. No body found? Bodies don’t hide themselves
Ive saw and read everything i could about this case. Me personally, just my opinion, i think something bad happened to him. And i dont think he committed suicide. I could be wrong. Again, its just my opinion. But thank u for the vid and how well u explain all details and theories. I love ur channel. U are awesome at telling these stories. At one time i read that ppl thought he was too close to a secret gov hideout and got too close. But i dont believe that.
I totally agree with you, I don’t believe he committed suicide, I believe something has happened to him…
I had a premonition of him. He was still alive. I think he might be somewhere we can't see. I do not think that he is enjoying this other dimension.
Yea and he was armed so the army would be more likely to shoot
He left his camera at home, he had no intention of filming anything. He left his phone at the cave he always started his hikes at so his body would never be found. He made up a story about a potentially dangerous cave so no one would question why he was taking a gun that time when he normally didn't. He was battling depression and chronic suicidal thoughts. He went out into his favorite place in the world with nothing but a gun while chronically depressed and suicidal and put himself to rest in the one place he loved more than anywhere else. Have some respect for the dead and stop making up conspiracy theories.
@@getsinged7631 The only person who claimed Kenny was suicidal was Sheryon but she lied to everyone when she said she waited 3 days then reported him missing. I have a copy of the original police report and she did not report him missing until Nov 17th at 4:52 pm..8 DAYS after he went hiking! Now Sheryon claims to be a mental health counselor so why would she wait 8 DAYS knowing he was "suicidal" and knowing how very little food and water he takes with him...she wanted the police and SAR to do a recovery mission not an investigation
Listening to this guy speak and the way he gesticulates I'm sadly not surprised that he vanished. Without knowing what happened beforehand if someone said "would you go hiking with this person?" I would say hell no and that he may want to see a specialist because he seems manic and possibly reckless.
I love the footage of the two horses! Sweet things!
I am born & raised in Michigan & I will never forget when I drove from my uncles house in southern CA to Las Vegas NV. The desert was unlike anything I had ever seen before in my life. I felt like I was driving on Mars. It was a truly amazing place & I hope to go back someday. Though, I am not super keen on hiking through the endless desert... I feel more comfortable hiking in the temperate forests that I am familiar with. Though I did love the rainforest in Costa Rica.
I have to agree with the suicide theory and wonder if the M cave really existed or was it something he imagined
This is the very first cave death case I remember from years ago. I was recommended another cave death video last month and I’ve been binging these videos ever since.
The girlfriend's explanation sounds exactly like a story a murderer would give to cover up their involvement 😂 I'm sure it's not, but it just sounds that way
You are 100% correct
You sound like a fool.
Whats the motive ? Life insurance ? Revenge, as she wasnt as understanding as it seems? I think the police would have looked into it
I lived near there for ten years and would go hiking solo all the time, but usually on a trail where you’d see other people very frequently. Once, though, I took a wrong turn coming back from Arizona Hot Springs and found myself in an untouched area of desert as the temperature started to climb and I was getting tired. I realised what a dangerous situation it was then, and my coworker chastised me the next day. It’s very easy to die out there, although I’d say most of the time there’d be evidence.
Kenny had some big ⚽️ 🏀 🏈 roaming around caves alone with no gps etc.
You would think he would not travel & hike the distances he went without a Garmin. We have modern technology, and his hikes are the perfect time to take advantage of it.
You know what i find odd? The fact that the gf was so willing to accept he's dead. Most people with loved ones don't even want to admit they're dead even 40 years after they go missing, but she did it in just a few days. She even uses past tense, something that even people who think their loved ones are dead are hesitant to use unless they know so.
Cuz he never had a girlfriend. It is Kenny under a sock account for RUclips.
It's possible the "M Cave" doesn't exist. He might have invented the cave as a pretense to suicide with the cover of genuinely looking for something. This way it looks like he got lost or had an accident. He was an experienced hiker.
If he wanted to note where something was located, he could have figured it out. Even without a GPS.
Yes! I am here for the M Cave doesn't even exist theory!
You all are taking the word of his "girlfriend" Sheryon that Kenny even made this hike! Sheryon claims to be a mental health counselor, she claims he was suicidal and went hiking 11/10/2014 on a 2 day hike. She claims she was worried on the 3rd day and reported him missing! I have a copy of the original missing person's report which shows she did not report Kenny missing until 11/17/2014 at 4:52 pm. She also told the detective handling the case that she was Kenny's "ex girlfriend". Because it get's dark here in Vegas in November SAR could not organize a search party until the following morning...8 DAYS IN! Sheryon claims Kenny was suicidal, and we all know he bragged how very little food and water he took on these hikes...yet she waits 8 days to report him missing. There is no proof that Kenny ever stepped foot in the desert on 11/10/14 other than his conveniently placed cellphone by an abandoned mine. I spoke to the commander of SAR here Craig McVeay and he stated the tracks stop at the mine? Kenny made one big mistake, he under estimated how deep that mine really was. A camera was dropped into the mine and later spelunkers climbed down into the mine and were able to reach the bottom! Kenny's cell phone was not found until.11/22/14 even though the mine was a 3 or 4 hour hike from where his truck was parked. Kenny took pictures and videos of everything..rocks, flowers, lizards, yet there is not one single picture of this mysterious M cave that struck fear in Kenny! Not one single member of his family even searched for him even though there were 5 brothers and 1 sister. Kenny's daughter in nearly 7 years never picked up the phone and called the detective handling the case or SAR! On July 15th 2018 The Enchanted Forest Reiki center was broken into and the suspect caught on cctv. I found the video of this in June of 2021 and my heart nearly fell out of my chest when I realized it was Kenny...4 years after he went missing. I called his daughter, ex wife and sister the next day and through shock and tears they all instantly agreed it was Kenny on the cctv footage. The Reiki center was owned by Kenny's brother Raymond, yet his wife claimed they watched the video 10 times and couldn't recognize him. They were hyping the dust particles that were kicked up by the blinds as "spiritual orbs cleaning the bad juju from the shop". Since finding this cctv footage 7 members of Kenny's family positively id'd him and I have text messages from his daughter who said she did not want to go to the police because her Dad would go to prison. The family now refuses to talk about it but Sheryon and Raymond are complicit in staging Kenny's disappearance. WE HAVE ALL BEEN PLAYED FOR FOOLS.
Was his hole m cave fake? Was that him talking about how spooky it eas when he went in there. And what day was that recorded? I dont think he would kill him self .
But why would ge stage his death
@@sassyminnie Trying to find out
But why would he play people for fools? What would be his reasoning?
@@peepzsnap7356 Money and to become a legend. His brother Ray mentioned it on the HLN documentary
Nice bro! 15mins. I love the channel. But always just the short teaser of the actual story. Nice to see better quality.
I can fully understand his feeling for solo hicking. Myself 95% of my backpacking trips are solo trips. Not only solo but night hiking I enjoy the solitude of the night out in the wilderness. I use to do solo hikes in the Mojave desert when I was in distance in the 80s a d 90s.
Since 94 it been northern California big mountain country.
I started solo over nights then full on backpacking when I was 11 and lived in the country.
My parents where very understanding
Or...or...he disappeared and his gf is is pushing this narrative because of threats or payment in order to cover up the truth.
This story is very compelling... I think it should be adapted into a movie. The setting is so beautiful, and the story is so sad. It's a small-scale, emotional story, set in a place very large-scale, grand, and unforgiving.
It was....VERY Loosely!
I think something happened to him. I don't think it was suicide.
What if finding the m cave is a euphemism about his suicidal ideation? He seems like he had a hard time opening up about his mental health. If he was thinking about this for a while maybe he set this up so that it would look like he disappeared finding this mysterious cave, so nobody would find him. A sad story. It's okay to take medicine if it keeps you from wanting to die.
To Kenny’s girlfriend : Thank you for writing to all the strangers, u had no obligation to when writing about Kenny and the truths none of us knew about. It is obvious to me that you wrote this altruistically In the hopes of bringing peach of mind to all who wonder about Kenny’s disappearance. You don’t have to divulge your personal thoughts to anyone and it was courageous of you to do so whilst thinking only of others. I solute you and my heart goes out to you and your loss.
Kenny never had a Girlfriend. He made her up and posted his final video of him at the truck in a acok account made to look like a girlfriend's channel.
*sock account
The vibrating cave part reminds me of Lost
Very interesting case! I appreciate the subtitles too
While he probably was dealing with depression, suicide is a bit of a leap. Depression doesn't lead to suicide nearly as often as popular belief dictates, and I kind of wish people would stop treating them as though they're joined at the hip. It seems far more likely to me that he fell into danger. Rattlesnakes and other hazardous wildlife are found all throughout the Mojave, and carrying a small pistol with you never guarantees your safety from these beasties. Furthermore, spelunking is a dangerous activity in and of itself, especially if you're exploring abandoned mines. It really doesn't matter how seasoned of an explorer you are (or _think_ you are), no amount of expertise will ever completely immunize you from making even a seemingly minor mistake that can cost you your life.
He had his camera with him. He filmed himself beforehand, talking about it. No way would he find and enter that cave w/out a camera after everyone pushing him to do it.
Then where is it O' Wise One? All they found was his phone and car.
@@criminallyautistic8372 Camera is with him silly, where ever he is. 🙂
If you’re talking about the footage in this video, it was from another excursion into the desert. That said, your last sentence just points toward suicide. If he had intended to find the M cave, you’re right, he would have taken a camera.
I just found your channel and am hooked.
Cheers man!
I saw someone’s theory that the M cave was a metaphorical version of Kenny’s depression and suicide. He told his fans that he “discovered” the M cave (his suicide) and he said he didn’t want to go to it, so he came back to his so called “fans” basically as if he is trying to give them a sign of his intentions. His once again so called “fans” pressured him to go back to the “cave”. Basically that could be the reason that Kenny couldn’t find the M cave. He was referring to his depression and suicide and his “fans” kept telling him and some even threatening him to go back to the cave, which ultimately means that they were telling him to go that route and commit suicide. That would also explain why he never took a camera or any of his recording equipment for the videos, because the M cave that he “found” was not real. He just wanted to signal to his “fans” for help.
Well if that's true how sad he would think other people are mind readers.
@@sliverofthemoon3165 that is a good point. Maybe he just didn’t want people to know straightforwardly 🤷♂️
@Best-est1
There is no proof that he didn't take his camera or that he even returned to that Desert!
I’m not saying this to be mean or anything but I believe that maybe Kenny went into a cave, hid, and took his life. So his family wouldn’t be devastated when they found out.
His body would have been discovered
I think the last one is extremely likely. From my understanding, he hadn’t really brought a gun on any other hike up until his last. I don’t think it’s too far off to suggest he went out in the middle of nowhere and shot himself.
are you kidding? that epic novel written by his girlfriend is practically an admission of guilt. MY MISSING BOYFRIEND KILLED HIMSELF AND YOU'LL NEVER FIND HIM SO DON'T BOTHER.
The fact that he didn’t take his camera when looking for the cave, and left his phone, suggests that he never intended looking for the cave. And there is the fact that he didn’t take any pictures of the cave the first time he was there, suggest that the cave ever existed in the first place. He made everything about the cave up, it was just part of his plan to commit suicide. I believe the post warning him not to go was him using a different account. And why would he take a gun, I mean if what he said he felt was supernatural (if you believe in that stuff) what good would a pistol be. Same goes for the little green men people say got him, pretty useless. And if it was the military or the government, what was he thinking he would do against armed guards or soldiers? Have watched some of his videos, he seemed a bit off and I don’t think he did half the things he claimed he did. I think he was already a bit mentally unbalanced and being depressed and dealing with the comments that called him out might have been all it took. Most likely he committed suicide and will never be found.
@Mopar_Dude you are 100% correct except he did not commit suicide he is still alive!
The simplest solution is usually the correct one and the simplest solution is that Kenny made the entire thing about M cave up. He just wrote a creepypasta and started making a RUclips channel, like many people do. He also was known to suffer from depression. By far the most likely senario is he made everything up and one day ended his life from his unrelated depression. As someone who was once in a similar place, I came very close to doing similar as in invent a story and ensure that I was never found. People would much rather believe nonsense and conspiracy theories than confront the fact that some people deal with horrific demons of mental illness and self-harm. The truth is usually far less exciting than the fantasy. No one wants to be remembered as the guy who ended it, why not invent a story, create an excuse to take a gun with him, throw away your phone so you can't be tracked, then make sure you're never found.
He didn't bring any electronics, but when he broke his leg he called a air lift? WTF
Had to be sat radio?
They also have the beacons you wear and set off in an emergency.
I believe his girlfriend probably knew Kenny's inside thoughts and struggles more than anyone else. If she believes he committed suicide then I do too.
What I don't understand is if this M cave story is real how did he not remember where exactly it was located? I realize how vast the desert area is. But if I experienced a cave that caused vibrations in my body and scared the crap out of me, you can bet I would notice any landmarks , keep looking around as I left to keep everything in my mind. Also keep track of the distance traveled in time/ pace if I had a watch.
Once I got home I would tell all my friends, family, and reach out to local cave explorers and go back ASAP.
He mentioned on his channel he was going out there for 3 days but it says he only packed for an overnight trip.
Did anyone physically go down the mine his phone was located by or just dropped a camera? Depending on how big that mine is he could have been down there somewhere.
Does anyone know if he took his gun with him?
It's very sad he didn't get help for his depression.
And his idea of a cowboy interior design business sounded cool and he was in the perfect part of the country to become successful. But starting a business takes time to build a word of mouth clientele and lots of money.
I hope he found his peace. Maybe he's on a mountain peak and died under the starlit sky.
@K Spen see my comment above and I will answer any other questions you have to the best of my ability!
@@susanveach9013 who are you
@@susanveach9013 he was murderd huh
The most likely explanation is that the cave simply doesn't exist, he made up a story about a "dangerous cave" so that he would have an excuse to bring a gun on one of his hikes when he normally didn't. He wanted to put himself to rest in the place he loved the most, quickly and painlessly, so he made up a reason to bring a gun. If he simply took a gun with him on a hike his gf would figure out what he was planning immediately since they had talked about it before.
There is a group from the 70’s who also found the cave and there is a picture of this cave which forms at the bottom of a cliff on the side of a mountain that’s on a slope. He found it after going over a ridge and then down the other side.
Must’ve been covered up then
I think he was killed by a snake or fell down a hole in a cave.
It's very possible that one of those 2 things especially falling down a hole
He never went back and made a fake sock account pretending to be his "girlfriend".
A depressed man goes on adventure to film a secret cave, leaving his phone and camera behind, supposedly to film the cave, yet he brought a gun, and was never seen again......
He's in the hole where they found his phone. He left his phone outside of it and went inside. There's probably more tunnel there then just the area around the entrance. I hope the police did more then just checked the bottom of the hole
He probably went in to get shelter and escape the sun. If he rationed for three days, he could have survived for three more days without water. It is very possible that the search crew arrived too soon or that he was just sleeping or searching for something he could use to survive while in the shaft. There is just something that seems strange about the location of the phone.
750,000 missing every year? That's crazy!! Something is definitely going on.
When I was around 9 i went out to camp and gold mine with a friend and his dad, we also wandered into a couple caves and my friends dad had to grab my shoulder cuz I had almost fell down a mineshaft! He had the light but I was in front so I didn't see it till I was grabbed and pulled away from it. I'll never go into a mine again.
I’m a huge true crime/creepy documentary/ strange things caught on camera type of person and whenever I hear about this case I ALWAYS ALWAYS think about this video I watched once….I can’t remember when I saw it or where I saw it but it was a type of video where creepy things were caught on camera. There was a clip in the video of this woman hiking in the desert alone and there is a person videotaping her . The woman was oblivious to being taped and it was just so creepy because by the looks of it, she was deep in the middle of the desert, far from anyone and anything and this person videotaping her was stalking her and but they were a great distance away because the person had to zoom in a lot in order to bring the woman into focus. The video went on for a good few minutes with this creep just watching her hike and she was completely unaware of him. I thought my goodness , he could do anything he wants to her and no one would ever know.
Now this could very well have been a hoax or set up to be a creepy video because it was obviously the person doing the stalking that uploaded it (I’m guessing) but it goes to show that as far as the human eye can see, you may think you are alone but are you?
i thought i knew this story well! but? you sir are excellent
In the desert, I fear the people a lot more than any supernatural event or monster. With that said, I think that paranormal activity is evident. For some reason, I think that Kenny is still alive.
He could be. Sometimes people just run away, never to be seen again.
In some cases, people who haven’t been seen in YEARS have been found somewhere deserted.
I agree with you and the girlfriend, he most likely never intended to come back. Not everyone who suffers from depression sits at home in the dark. Most of us have dealt with it for so long that we just continue to work through it. We can laugh, smile, and make conversation, until we just get tired of fighting it one random day.
Nobody "works through" clinical depression. It can only be managed. Some of US are functional, some of us aren't. Some of us are paralyzed by it. You just can't generalize.
Incredibly sad. The message at the end almost brought me to tears. “I had many wonderful experiences with Kenny…” 😩😩😩
Given the statement(s) from his girlfriend, I kinda think he intended not to come back and that the "M cave" thing was to give his death an aura of mystery.
I really enjoyed this vid. Another excellent job, as always 👍
I’ve got a feeling he went to the desert to die and not be found, just based on what was found of his and how nothing has been found of his body so far. Regardless of what happened, it’s very unfortunate to hear about his situation before he went missing and I hope and pray for not only him, but his friends and family. I hope he’s found one day.
Maybe the M cave was a temporary portal to another dimension. That's why it vibrated and why he couldn't find it again. It was closed.
this is one theory id buy into
Another great video
I understand Kenny. I too would prefer to end my life hiking in the mountains I love.
If you love hiking why would you want to die young while doing it? Makes more sense to want to live a long life and enjoy the mountain hikes for decades. He messed up and now his bones and the desert sands are one and the same
@@drdrew3 That's exactly the point. Call it a lifelong morbid desire, but I've always wanted to die in the mountains where no one will find my body and my bones will be scattered by scavengers. It's a lovely thought to me.
So I understand his desire to bury himself in the place he lived and loved best.
@@jelyfisher No. That wasn’t my point. My point was that if he enjoyed hiking and wanted to die doing it one would prefer that happen AT AN OLDER AGE. That would mean more years of actually hiking and less years as worm food.
@@drdrew3 he could’ve been depressed or suicidal. So if he genially wanted to do now, (theoretically)
He wanted to commit suicide in the best place he knew.
I wish that people who commit suicide would realize the absolute devastation they leave behind. Words cannot begin to express how life destroying it is to have someone kill themselves. I'm mentally ill and have suffered from clinical depression. I lived in a hole so deep I thought I'd never get out. BUT the devastation left behind from someone committing suicide is worse. Far worse. There IS help out there. Take it from someone who knows.
My belief is that he didn't want to be found and all the M cave show was made up since it seems he already had one thing in mind and just needed the right excuse. Sad as he seemed like an awesome fun guy.
5:36 "commenter Lemmy Kilmister said do not go in there..." Dude. If Lemmy says don't do it, don't do it.
There are sonic based non-lethal deterrent type weapons that have similar effects on those hit with it. Feeling of dread, nausea, "humming" in your body.
It is odd that if he committed suicide ( which I believe is the correct logical conclusion) why bother with such a bizarre "cover" story? Why not just disappear on one of his adventures? How does adding a "mysterious" fake cover story help those he left? He is still mysteriously vanished. Now it is even MORE mysterious.
Just my two cents from a former psy-ops Marine...
I've been all thru those hills almost every nock and cranny there's no cave in the shape of an M especially not as tall as he was it would be easily known about for years if there was one...
I think what was said at the end summed it up for me, makes absolute sense
I think he was killed by someone who drove his car up there and took the cell phone out in the desert and left it there. I'd be interested to know if he had a life insurance policy and who it was made out to.
Are we sure he only had one camera? We can't go off hearsay. Just saying, no one would want people to believe they committed suicide if they didn't.
I know personally how unforgiving the desert is. He could have been dozens of scenarios that killed him. After being rescued tye 2nd time after hours of being lost I never went again. Personally I don't think he killed himself. He enjoyed going out exploring.
I don't think you understand much about depression.
I didn't know he'd left his camera behind. Perhaps he made up his story about the M cave and it was the straw that broke the camels back, leaving him to 'self forever sleep' as a result.
Great video, and your other content looks interesting, too, I'm looking forward to watching more of it.
More likely, he wanted to put himself to rest in the place he loved the most so he made up a story about a dangerous cave so no one would question why he brought a gun with him that time when he normally didn't.
Please just say suicide. Hiding it behind cutesy terms takes away from the seriousness of the subject. We need to be talking about mental health in a serious way. This isn't tumblr.
@@ninedaysjane2466 Every time I've used that word in a comment, the comment gets removed by YT. That's why I use other words.
Idiot.
Men can be very mysterious. Often times those who feel the most unhappy tend to appear very positive and generally positive about their lives.