It was pure entertainment ! Bonkers, funny, dark and UNHINGED... Like cmon lighten up people! The musical sequences actually worked but was def interesting... some will hate some will love
I really enjoyed this as well but holy shitttt I can tell we’ll be in minority. I see a lot of hate coming this movies way. We’ll have to just agree to disagree with like…90% of internet it seems?
it's art, there is no accounting for taste, enjoy the fact that somehow a studio spent 200 million on a movie that's clearly meant for a niche audience I thinks it's great movie as well
This film delivers more Joker chaos than the original, with stunning visuals, sharp cinematography, campy humor, and Oscar-worthy performances from Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, despite its excessive musical numbers - which they cut out a few. It’s bold, controversial, and I actually prefer it to the first. It’s a 9/10 film for me. Btw, I didn’t hate the ending I actually really enjoyed it for reasons without spoiling but something I’ve been theorizing since the first film
Did I watch Joker? No. Will I watch it NOW just so I can watch the sequel for LADY GAGA AS HARLEY QUINN?! Yes indeed. Kaley Cuoco will ALWAYS be THE Harley for me, but I love me some Gaga. I'd have watched the first movie if Harley was in it. I like Joker enough but Harley is more personal and involved a character for me.
I've watched 15 reviews so far and ur the first positive review! It's down from 67 to 60 percent. U called it, it's not decisive as the majority online (at least majority I've seen) seem to not enjoy it. Cant wait to see it
I hate comparing it to the first one but to me it followed the same structure and it ended similar to the first one. So if you like the ending of the first one, then you shouldn’t mind this one.
You have the best review on Joker 2. I’ve watched some of my favorite reviewers and they just say… well… and then talk without really explaining what they just watched. I may give this a shot. I like pretty movies. You should watch, “A Star is Born.” It is a great movie.
I was blown away, when I saw the movie, yesterday! In my opinion it’s the best movie I’ve seen in 2024… and I also totally understand the bad reviews about the film, because the majority of people can’t deal when something completely new is introduced in art, be it a film, a piece of music, a painting, etc. The film can’t be put in a category, it’s not a musical, not an action movie, not a DC movie… it’s a masterful representation of a psychodrama with stunning visuals and glorious acting. But that’s only my opinion…
Thanks for such a great review. I’m definitely going to see it- I like musicals so I’ll be ok with it. I really love Lady Gaga ( and the first film of course)so I’m excited! I can see for sure that this movie will be divisive but I have the feeling I’ll like it since I tend to like stuff other people hate 😆
Didn't watch it yet but I'm pretty sure it's more like going to the theater than the cinema like most of it is not just about telling a story, it's more like artistic metaphors for madness, love, sadness, happiness, freedom, weirdness... And I feel like it's the best way they could have made a sequel.
Did you think Joker 2 deserved all the hate it's been getting I feel ppl are taking shots in dark whenever they hear leaks it's okay to have an opinion on a decision for a movie but acting like you seen the movie and using extremely language to express this really need a video go in depth about media discussion doesn't really exist on the internet
I think there is a bandwagon hate train for this movie and people are wanted to take this movie down/ finding pleasure in negativity. Pretty sad. But at the end of the day the art stands on its own and It's a well made unhinged masterpiece
The issue with the movie is that it's a "sequel" that spends 80% of its runtime basically recapping the first one & then invalidating both of them with the ending.
Joker: Folie à Deux didn’t work for me. The film shifted focus onto Arthur Fleck, deconstructing the Joker in a way that felt misaligned with what made the original so compelling. Although the performances were strong across the board, Leigh Gill as Gary Puddles was the standout for me. One of the major flaws of the sequel was its inability to clearly distinguish between reality and fantasy, a contrast to how effectively the original handled this. I’m not just talking about the musical sequences, but there’s a particular scene involving Harley ‘Lee’ Quinn and Arthur where I was left questioning whether what I saw actually happened. Later on, a scene seems to confirm it, making the previous moment even more jarring. In a film as gritty as this, that scene felt particularly wild and out of place. Without spoiling anything, Joker 2 didn’t hit the mark for me. While the original was a masterpiece, this sequel just didn’t live up to it. If you’re asking what is my rating, it is a 3.
Hell yeah bro we’re in the minority then lol 🤷🏽♂️ I hate musicals and most of those moments worked for me. And I really dug the ending. Flawed forsure but a good rating for me. Still debating a score of 7.9-8.1 /10 can’t wait for hear your thoughts on those Easter eggs or if you got any theories
Thank you cuz you’re giving me hope for this movie, since I’ll watch it for the premier. + since I’m a little monster. Hope she gets what she deserves as an actress.
You should do a Defending Joker Folie à Duex video soon because it seems like this one is gonna be 50/50 or possibly 60/40 on the like to dislike ratio lol
Loved your review. Didn’t love the first JOKER and not seeing the sequel. Curious: THE WILD ROBOT will have made around $70 million in its first week in theaters on a $78 million budget. I’ve wanted to see it multiple times, but I notice people aren’t selling out theaters to see it. Do you think word of mouth will help gain its numbers? I really want it to do well and possibly beat Disney for the “Best Animated Feature” Oscar.
Word on the streets is that they changed key aspects of the ending especially about Harley's role. I think they felt pressured to make it a movie with a huge focus on Joker instead of giving Harley more spotlight.😊 And this ended up hurting the movie in a way they didn't expect. Wouldn't be surprised if #ReleaseTheGagaCut will be a thing soon.
It was always going to be mainly about Arthur/Joker. Joaquin filmed for the entire four month shoot but Gaga barely filmed for two months after Joaquin started.
@@pobstrel I'm not saying they're supposed to have the same amount of screentime/focus but that her role was likely more prominent originally, if you follow all the reports and leaks during filming
How did this movie rate compared to the 1st? That's all I'd like to know. The 1st one is my favorite movie of all time but I never thought they shouldn't make a sequel. If it's not up to par, you just don't watch or recommend it anymore. No problem with it.🤷♂️
Well, the first one is my favorite movie of all time so maybe I'm not the best person to ask that question to LOL. I wasn't expecting this to beat the first at all, and I'm perfectly fine with that. It's still a worthy sequel (more-so epilogue) though.
All the reviews I've seen saying it's yerrible dont even mention why it's terrible, I dont like musicals at all, but I have to watch it for myself and then judge. Trailer looked AWESOME, hopefully the movie wont be as bad ss they say.
What???!? Stop lying EVERYONE online reviewing is telling you exactly why they don’t like it! You just don’t want to hear it because you want to like it.
As a musical lover, I simply can't stand how whenever people speak well of this musical, they have to despise the musical genre: "They don't sing the dialogue here" "They're not cheesy here" F*ck you all.
I think I made it pretty clear in this video that singing the dialogue (and even being a bit cheesy) is completely okay for certain musicals. I just don't think that would've worked AT ALL for this specific movie. Which is why I making that point. Also, people are completely allowed to dislike musicals like that. As you are allowed to love them. I just wanted to make it clear that this movie is NOT like a traditional musical.
MY QUESTION IS: is it worth it watching it in theaters? I'm kind of short on money rn, so I really don't want to spend it in a mediocre movie. Btw, I'm a huge Lady Gaga fan and that's the only reason I want to watch it.
I never trust moviefusions score 9.5 is far to high it's lucky to be a 6-7, go watch Film Threat they are much better with their scoring of movies imo and show different views instead of just one persons bias
I’m not sure you know the definition of Sequel. It’s a piece of work that continues the storyline established within the previous film. This film was a sequel, not an epilogue. Epilogue is something that comments on the first piece of work, but doesn’t continue it. I’m also not sure where you heard it advertised as a non-musical. Todd Phillips statement last Monday was that it is, in fact, “the very definition of a musical.”
I know that’s why I said it’s just semantics at that point, but what I was trying to say is that it FEELS like an epilogue. Here is an article about it, it was Lady Gaga who said she doesn’t really consider it to be a musical necessarily. And I totally get what she was saying because she isn’t wrong, it’s not a traditional musical. But again, semantics. www.newsweek.com/lady-gaga-joker-musical-movie-venice-1949188#:~:text=But%20Gaga%20said%20during%20a%20press%20panel%20at,this%20film%20was%20very%20special%20and%20extremely%20nuanced.
last time I checked projections said it'll open at 70 mil. The first I believe opened at 100 mil and it had amazing legs cause of word of mouth so it just making a ton of money every week. This being a musical cause a musical has never made a billion dollars, and the fact that it won't have much re watch value, I highly doubt it'll make 800 mil. If it opens at around 70, even if it has legs, I'd expect it ends somewhere around 500-600 million. Apparently the budget was 200 mil. Usually the marketing budget is half of that so 100 mil, and theaters take half the money, so this movie would have to make 600 mil to break even with their investment and thats not even counting if Gaga or Phoenix or Phillips had any royalties in their contracts if the film hit milestones. I think it can do that, but no way this film is overly profitable like the first. Apparently they have no plans to make a 3rd so Phillips and phoenix probably aren't worried about it lol
I would say no. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just wasn't focused on that as much as the first one was. But it definitely has very dark moments here or there.
i left the theater, feeling totally defeated, so i guess the movie did its job. im taking a shot of addressing the problems, ive had with it, since this feeling of utter defeat is heavily boosted, by the backlash, it received. to address it, ill dive into SPOILERS!!!!! this film was frustrating, its definitely flawed and the way the musical aspects are woven into the narrative, makes said narrative stops dead in its tracks, every time the musical fantasy becomes more elaborate- and by design, it will be jarring, theres a contrast, especially in the last act, that reinforces said effect. with all that out of the way, i will say, that this movie emotionally affected me, far more, than the first one ever did and i was on board, with that one, empathizing with arthur, every step of the way. this movie deconstructs most of the first film, in some very frustrating ways- my main issues were, as follows 1. if youre going the route of integrating musical elements and portraying it as an elaborate fantasy, i think its a missed opportunity, to write original music, for your characters, especially when your composer previously won an oscar. i got why they chose to go with old fashioned american songbook tunes and imo it works half of the time, but theres definitely some instances, of the song not furthering the narrative, or stopping it dead in its tracks. they couldve cut about 4 songs out of the movie and it wouldve benefited the flow. 2. while on the subject of cut material, its clear from the trailers alone, that portions of the film were cut, especially regarding lee- gaga does good, with what shes given, but i cant help but feel, that she was originally a more rounded character (a pun on her clearly having a baby bump, in one of the cut scenes), but that she got sidelined, because this is ultimately arthurs story and they didnt want to lose sight of that fact. 3. it being arthurs story is an exact mirror image of the first films narrative- where youre led to believe, that the first ends with arthur transforming into the joker, this film is about his letting go, of this construct, letting go of the fantasy. you can argue the point, since a good bit of the first one was only playing out in his head, that it should have been more of a struggle, for him, to let go, of his persona. 4. the way hes quite literally forced, to let go of the joker persona, is frankly tasteless. the heavily implied rape from the guards seemed like an overreaction, to what was merely an unspecified name drop, in the courtroom- what seems to break him, is that they kill his only friend and this, in combination with garys testimony, finally makes him realize, the kind of impact hes had. while i appreciated, that it showed arthur still had some empathy left, (despite the state psychiatrist claiming, one of his psychological issues, being a lack of such), it felt like a quick, brutal solution, that i feel couldve been achieved more organically, in court. 5. while on the court topic, i will say that harvey dent seemed like a caricature, of a smug lawyer- its yet another missed opportunity, to have dent be the one, to make the case against arthurs dual identity, when harvey dent traditionally has his own struggles, with said diagnosis, arguably to a much heavier degree. one can make the case, that after this case and him being minimally disfigured, by the bomb going off, said events may influence his stance, on duality, further down the road, also furthering the theme of arthurs influence, on people. as it stands, hes just this smug guy, who seems to think the courtroom is his audition, for a modelling gig. 6. addendum to the courtroom scenes- i realize, im probably very much in the minority, but i actually appreciated, that some of the events of the first movie were clarified. i never was a fan of the read, that the whole first movie might have been in his head, a theory, heavily argued for, by a majority, as being the joke, that arthur replies to, with you wouldnt get it. getting that isnt clever, it was always dumb, because it not only destroys any purpose for a narrative, it also goes against the idea, of empathizing with arthur, which was my big takeaway, of both movies. i will also say, that for the attentive viewer, theres quite a few examples, when it can be seen, that arthur is imagining things, which purposefully have been edited- one example of that, comes in the very beginning of the movie, during the bus scene, with the kid. when the camera pans back, after the argument with the kids mother, the kid isnt there anymore. i also never felt, that sophie and her kid surviving, was left ambigious, in the context of what weve come to know, about arthur. 7. last, but definitely not least, ill address the elephant in the room- the ending. it baffles me, how many people tried to tie this in, with heath ledgers joker, despite neither timelines, nor events, nor actors ages and appearances, line up with the nolan trilogy. while on the subject of the nolan trilogy, it had a pretty similar ending, to this one and i for one, found it way harder, to buy into the idea, of john robin blake taking up the bat-mantle, when comparing it, to the joker, as being this shadow, that will always be there, as an influence. it does make more sense to me, especially because the symbol of batman, is too specific to bruce, in my mind. while on the topic of bruce, i found it very interesting, that pretty much everyone from part 1, that survived, was brought back, except him. in retrospect, it does make the wayne family plot point of the first feel kind of tacked on, but i feel, it was done on purpose, to separate it further, from the source material. its not hard to understand, why many fans of comic book movies will feel, like theyre being pranked, but its a tragic prank, as written by arthur fleck. arthur fleck who? this point wouldve gone over better, if they didnt make harley closer to her source material, than expected, only to completely flip the dynamic, that joker and harley have, in said source material. everything gets turned on its head. so yes, its kind of a mess, on purpose and the decisions are often baffling, but for me at least, there was still genuine emotional investment and i knew, that this numbness, after leaving the theatre, was the point, not a clever, (like some have interpreted the ending of the first one), but a deeply emotionally resonant one. warts and all, this has genuinely touched me deeply, more than any film ive seen in the theatres, since the last one. arguing whats the point, is missing and proving said point- collectively we didnt care about arthur, we wanted to see joker. we wanted escapism and got something uncomfortably real and the contrast, in the fantastical musical numbers, made it land even heavier and ive felt anxious, every time the flick came to a grinding halt, when musical sequences faded to black and we got thrown back, into reality. as an audience weve been collectively taught, to expect certain things, from a franchise movie and this film, if nothing else, exists, to defy these expectations and i for one, cant help, but respect it, for that, while still understanding perfectly, why this wont go over well, for a lot of people. it has made me think and feel a lot, since i came out of the cinema- about the last 20 years and how these franchises have turned into the flogging of a dead horse, yet somehow, a flick like deadpool and wolverine taking up the mantle, of biggest R rated film off of joker, feels like a statement, about where we are, both artistically and collectively- easy sarcasm, cameos and even characters being reduced to memes- you contrast this with the honest sentiment, of an old timey song, sung slightly off key, but genuinely vulnerable, naked, stripped, like arthur was, of any pretense. and while i wont argue against todd phillips very own pretensions, the character of arthur fleck will stay with me and cast a shadow.
I wasn't happy with the musical bit with the Joker character. It was boring and scenes took too long to make a point. I think it was a huge disappointment since I'm not into musical movies.
The main takeaway is just don’t trust reviews. If you go to the most levelheaded reviewers on YT, their views on the movie are drastically different. There’s just no consensus even amongst the people you think would be able to give a shared viewpoint. So it does make you think people use big words to explain why they like stuff but it just comes down to personal preference. I guess that’s my problem with these reviews, people trying to act like they are coming at it from less bias viewpoints. How I see it. His character is a loser in the first movie. Makes a lot of people who feel like weirdos feel seen. But with this movie, where do you go? Him being a cult hero feels odd. Him having the adoration of an eccentric woman feels way too heavy handed and also loses the truth that the first movie was talking about. I think this movie felt the need to insert a female counterpart in order to appeal to other demographics of fans, which usually ends up jeopardizing what made the original movie good.
It was pure entertainment ! Bonkers, funny, dark and UNHINGED... Like cmon lighten up people! The musical sequences actually worked but was def interesting... some will hate some will love
I really enjoyed this as well but holy shitttt I can tell we’ll be in minority. I see a lot of hate coming this movies way. We’ll have to just agree to disagree with like…90% of internet it seems?
It’s not a good film at all. It’s not even a good musical.
it's art, there is no accounting for taste, enjoy the fact that somehow a studio spent 200 million on a movie that's clearly meant for a niche audience
I thinks it's great movie as well
This film delivers more Joker chaos than the original, with stunning visuals, sharp cinematography, campy humor, and Oscar-worthy performances from Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, despite its excessive musical numbers - which they cut out a few. It’s bold, controversial, and I actually prefer it to the first. It’s a 9/10 film for me. Btw, I didn’t hate the ending I actually really enjoyed it for reasons without spoiling but something I’ve been theorizing since the first film
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Did I watch Joker? No. Will I watch it NOW just so I can watch the sequel for LADY GAGA AS HARLEY QUINN?! Yes indeed. Kaley Cuoco will ALWAYS be THE Harley for me, but I love me some Gaga. I'd have watched the first movie if Harley was in it. I like Joker enough but Harley is more personal and involved a character for me.
The first movie day didn't need Harley at all. It was a brilliant movie.
I loved this movie
Very very much
I just came here to say I loved the movie too
Definitely a love or hate kind of movie, people are very critical and this a movie that is easy to judge. I personally really loved it
I've watched 15 reviews so far and ur the first positive review! It's down from 67 to 60 percent. U called it, it's not decisive as the majority online (at least majority I've seen) seem to not enjoy it. Cant wait to see it
This movie was a snoooooooze fest for me 😭
I hate comparing it to the first one but to me it followed the same structure and it ended similar to the first one. So if you like the ending of the first one, then you shouldn’t mind this one.
You have the best review on Joker 2. I’ve watched some of my favorite reviewers and they just say… well… and then talk without really explaining what they just watched. I may give this a shot. I like pretty movies. You should watch, “A Star is Born.” It is a great movie.
Bless your heart for literally being the only youtuber to give praise lol
7:43. This perfectly elaborates my thoughts on the musical aspect of this film.
I was blown away, when I saw the movie, yesterday! In my opinion it’s the best movie I’ve seen in 2024… and I also totally understand the bad reviews about the film, because the majority of people can’t deal when something completely new is introduced in art, be it a film, a piece of music, a painting, etc. The film can’t be put in a category, it’s not a musical, not an action movie, not a DC movie… it’s a masterful representation of a psychodrama with stunning visuals and glorious acting. But that’s only my opinion…
Thanks for such a great review. I’m definitely going to see it- I like musicals so I’ll be ok with it. I really love Lady Gaga ( and the first film of course)so I’m excited! I can see for sure that this movie will be divisive but I have the feeling I’ll like it since I tend to like stuff other people hate 😆
This movie is really great! I can’t believe people don’t like it that much.
Didn't watch it yet but I'm pretty sure it's more like going to the theater than the cinema like most of it is not just about telling a story, it's more like artistic metaphors for madness, love, sadness, happiness, freedom, weirdness... And I feel like it's the best way they could have made a sequel.
Did you think Joker 2 deserved all the hate it's been getting I feel ppl are taking shots in dark whenever they hear leaks it's okay to have an opinion on a decision for a movie but acting like you seen the movie and using extremely language to express this really need a video go in depth about media discussion doesn't really exist on the internet
I think there is a bandwagon hate train for this movie and people are wanted to take this movie down/ finding pleasure in negativity. Pretty sad. But at the end of the day the art stands on its own and It's a well made unhinged masterpiece
@@ryantynan3890yeah your right
The issue with the movie is that it's a "sequel" that spends 80% of its runtime basically recapping the first one & then invalidating both of them with the ending.
Joker: Folie à Deux didn’t work for me. The film shifted focus onto Arthur Fleck, deconstructing the Joker in a way that felt misaligned with what made the original so compelling. Although the performances were strong across the board, Leigh Gill as Gary Puddles was the standout for me.
One of the major flaws of the sequel was its inability to clearly distinguish between reality and fantasy, a contrast to how effectively the original handled this. I’m not just talking about the musical sequences, but there’s a particular scene involving Harley ‘Lee’ Quinn and Arthur where I was left questioning whether what I saw actually happened. Later on, a scene seems to confirm it, making the previous moment even more jarring. In a film as gritty as this, that scene felt particularly wild and out of place.
Without spoiling anything, Joker 2 didn’t hit the mark for me. While the original was a masterpiece, this sequel just didn’t live up to it. If you’re asking what is my rating, it is a 3.
Hell yeah bro we’re in the minority then lol 🤷🏽♂️ I hate musicals and most of those moments worked for me. And I really dug the ending. Flawed forsure but a good rating for me. Still debating a score of 7.9-8.1 /10 can’t wait for hear your thoughts on those Easter eggs or if you got any theories
Thank you cuz you’re giving me hope for this movie, since I’ll watch it for the premier. + since I’m a little monster. Hope she gets what she deserves as an actress.
You should do a Defending Joker Folie à Duex video soon because it seems like this one is gonna be 50/50 or possibly 60/40 on the like to dislike ratio lol
It’s a garbage trash film. 🤣
@@justinmadrid8712 have you heard of an opinion
I loved it I don’t get the hate
@MovieFusion. I love the context of what you say. I haven't seen it yet but it never felt like a sequel to me. I'm sure it's great.
Great review! I’m looking forward to seeing it on Thursday. ❤
Great review. Seeing it this weekend.
Loved your review. Didn’t love the first JOKER and not seeing the sequel. Curious: THE WILD ROBOT will have made around $70 million in its first week in theaters on a $78 million budget. I’ve wanted to see it multiple times, but I notice people aren’t selling out theaters to see it. Do you think word of mouth will help gain its numbers? I really want it to do well and possibly beat Disney for the “Best Animated Feature” Oscar.
8/10. Reminded me of Natural Born Killers. Ending was great and demands a sequal!
Word on the streets is that they changed key aspects of the ending especially about Harley's role. I think they felt pressured to make it a movie with a huge focus on Joker instead of giving Harley more spotlight.😊 And this ended up hurting the movie in a way they didn't expect. Wouldn't be surprised if #ReleaseTheGagaCut will be a thing soon.
It was always going to be mainly about Arthur/Joker. Joaquin filmed for the entire four month shoot but Gaga barely filmed for two months after Joaquin started.
@@pobstrel I'm not saying they're supposed to have the same amount of screentime/focus but that her role was likely more prominent originally, if you follow all the reports and leaks during filming
How did this movie rate compared to the 1st? That's all I'd like to know.
The 1st one is my favorite movie of all time but I never thought they shouldn't make a sequel. If it's not up to par, you just don't watch or recommend it anymore. No problem with it.🤷♂️
Well, the first one is my favorite movie of all time so maybe I'm not the best person to ask that question to LOL. I wasn't expecting this to beat the first at all, and I'm perfectly fine with that. It's still a worthy sequel (more-so epilogue) though.
@@MovieFusionlol, watch my edit, just before your post.🤣 Also, some musicals are kick ass like Men of La Mancha or Les Miserables.
All the reviews I've seen saying it's yerrible dont even mention why it's terrible, I dont like musicals at all, but I have to watch it for myself and then judge.
Trailer looked AWESOME, hopefully the movie wont be as bad ss they say.
What???!? Stop lying EVERYONE online reviewing is telling you exactly why they don’t like it! You just don’t want to hear it because you want to like it.
Thanks... I needed to hear a good review.
It's a really great movie..just go and see it❤
Can you say if it's better then the first one ? I'm going on October 4
@@superbatusPLI think they’re very different, I personally like the first one story wise but still enjoyed the sequel
I CAN'T WAIT to watch Joker: Folie A Deux!!💜💚💜💚
Yay! Really glad you made a spoiler free review for this! Will be watching this Friday when it releases here!
9.5 is very high! Im excited to watch!
It’s trash. 😂
@@justinmadrid8712 i’ll be my own judge.
What did you think
I love this movie too
As a musical lover, I simply can't stand how whenever people speak well of this musical, they have to despise the musical genre: "They don't sing the dialogue here" "They're not cheesy here" F*ck you all.
I think I made it pretty clear in this video that singing the dialogue (and even being a bit cheesy) is completely okay for certain musicals. I just don't think that would've worked AT ALL for this specific movie. Which is why I making that point.
Also, people are completely allowed to dislike musicals like that. As you are allowed to love them. I just wanted to make it clear that this movie is NOT like a traditional musical.
MY QUESTION IS: is it worth it watching it in theaters? I'm kind of short on money rn, so I really don't want to spend it in a mediocre movie. Btw, I'm a huge Lady Gaga fan and that's the only reason I want to watch it.
If you are into musical movies, then it will be worth your time.
9.5 is phenomenal!
I never trust moviefusions score 9.5 is far to high it's lucky to be a 6-7, go watch Film Threat they are much better with their scoring of movies imo and show different views instead of just one persons bias
Seeing everyone hate this movie kinda hurts
9.5/10 is wild 😭
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I’m not sure you know the definition of Sequel. It’s a piece of work that continues the storyline established within the previous film. This film was a sequel, not an epilogue. Epilogue is something that comments on the first piece of work, but doesn’t continue it.
I’m also not sure where you heard it advertised as a non-musical.
Todd Phillips statement last Monday was that it is, in fact, “the very definition of a musical.”
I know that’s why I said it’s just semantics at that point, but what I was trying to say is that it FEELS like an epilogue.
Here is an article about it, it was Lady Gaga who said she doesn’t really consider it to be a musical necessarily. And I totally get what she was saying because she isn’t wrong, it’s not a traditional musical. But again, semantics. www.newsweek.com/lady-gaga-joker-musical-movie-venice-1949188#:~:text=But%20Gaga%20said%20during%20a%20press%20panel%20at,this%20film%20was%20very%20special%20and%20extremely%20nuanced.
This movie was incredibly boring and bad.
I agree with you 💯%. It felt like every scene dragged with all the singing.
The box office will be 800 or 900 milion??
Because of how decisive this already seems to be I'm gonna bet it gets a 400-500 million dollar box office
last time I checked projections said it'll open at 70 mil. The first I believe opened at 100 mil and it had amazing legs cause of word of mouth so it just making a ton of money every week. This being a musical cause a musical has never made a billion dollars, and the fact that it won't have much re watch value, I highly doubt it'll make 800 mil. If it opens at around 70, even if it has legs, I'd expect it ends somewhere around 500-600 million. Apparently the budget was 200 mil. Usually the marketing budget is half of that so 100 mil, and theaters take half the money, so this movie would have to make 600 mil to break even with their investment and thats not even counting if Gaga or Phoenix or Phillips had any royalties in their contracts if the film hit milestones. I think it can do that, but no way this film is overly profitable like the first. Apparently they have no plans to make a 3rd so Phillips and phoenix probably aren't worried about it lol
Lmao such dopey lemmings.
Is it still as brutal as the original?
Yes. Darker too.
I would say no. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just wasn't focused on that as much as the first one was. But it definitely has very dark moments here or there.
Daring, bold and risk taking movie. Who care about bitter edgy critics that doesn't appreciate art? Thanks for your honest reaction.
😂”art” gtfoh
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I didn’t like it. Lady Gaga was hardly in it and it was sort of boring.
I can’t wait to see it 😁
I never want to hear from this reviewer again. I don’t know what TF you saw, but it was wasn’t the same movie everyone else saw. Smfh
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i left the theater, feeling totally defeated, so i guess the movie did its job. im taking a shot of addressing the problems, ive had with it, since this feeling of utter defeat is heavily boosted, by the backlash, it received. to address it, ill dive into SPOILERS!!!!!
this film was frustrating, its definitely flawed and the way the musical aspects are woven into the narrative, makes said narrative stops dead in its tracks, every time the musical fantasy becomes more elaborate- and by design, it will be jarring, theres a contrast, especially in the last act, that reinforces said effect. with all that out of the way, i will say, that this movie emotionally affected me, far more, than the first one ever did and i was on board, with that one, empathizing with arthur, every step of the way.
this movie deconstructs most of the first film, in some very frustrating ways- my main issues were, as follows
1. if youre going the route of integrating musical elements and portraying it as an elaborate fantasy, i think its a missed opportunity, to write original music, for your characters, especially when your composer previously won an oscar. i got why they chose to go with old fashioned american songbook tunes and imo it works half of the time, but theres definitely some instances, of the song not furthering the narrative, or stopping it dead in its tracks. they couldve cut about 4 songs out of the movie and it wouldve benefited the flow.
2. while on the subject of cut material, its clear from the trailers alone, that portions of the film were cut, especially regarding lee- gaga does good, with what shes given, but i cant help but feel, that she was originally a more rounded character (a pun on her clearly having a baby bump, in one of the cut scenes), but that she got sidelined, because this is ultimately arthurs story and they didnt want to lose sight of that fact.
3. it being arthurs story is an exact mirror image of the first films narrative- where youre led to believe, that the first ends with arthur transforming into the joker, this film is about his letting go, of this construct, letting go of the fantasy. you can argue the point, since a good bit of the first one was only playing out in his head, that it should have been more of a struggle, for him, to let go, of his persona.
4. the way hes quite literally forced, to let go of the joker persona, is frankly tasteless. the heavily implied rape from the guards seemed like an overreaction, to what was merely an unspecified name drop, in the courtroom- what seems to break him, is that they kill his only friend and this, in combination with garys testimony, finally makes him realize, the kind of impact hes had. while i appreciated, that it showed arthur still had some empathy left, (despite the state psychiatrist claiming, one of his psychological issues, being a lack of such), it felt like a quick, brutal solution, that i feel couldve been achieved more organically, in court.
5. while on the court topic, i will say that harvey dent seemed like a caricature, of a smug lawyer- its yet another missed opportunity, to have dent be the one, to make the case against arthurs dual identity, when harvey dent traditionally has his own struggles, with said diagnosis, arguably to a much heavier degree. one can make the case, that after this case and him being minimally disfigured, by the bomb going off, said events may influence his stance, on duality, further down the road, also furthering the theme of arthurs influence, on people. as it stands, hes just this smug guy, who seems to think the courtroom is his audition, for a modelling gig.
6. addendum to the courtroom scenes- i realize, im probably very much in the minority, but i actually appreciated, that some of the events of the first movie were clarified. i never was a fan of the read, that the whole first movie might have been in his head, a theory, heavily argued for, by a majority, as being the joke, that arthur replies to, with you wouldnt get it. getting that isnt clever, it was always dumb, because it not only destroys any purpose for a narrative, it also goes against the idea, of empathizing with arthur, which was my big takeaway, of both movies. i will also say, that for the attentive viewer, theres quite a few examples, when it can be seen, that arthur is imagining things, which purposefully have been edited- one example of that, comes in the very beginning of the movie, during the bus scene, with the kid. when the camera pans back, after the argument with the kids mother, the kid isnt there anymore. i also never felt, that sophie and her kid surviving, was left ambigious, in the context of what weve come to know, about arthur.
7. last, but definitely not least, ill address the elephant in the room- the ending. it baffles me, how many people tried to tie this in, with heath ledgers joker, despite neither timelines, nor events, nor actors ages and appearances, line up with the nolan trilogy. while on the subject of the nolan trilogy, it had a pretty similar ending, to this one and i for one, found it way harder, to buy into the idea, of john robin blake taking up the bat-mantle, when comparing it, to the joker, as being this shadow, that will always be there, as an influence. it does make more sense to me, especially because the symbol of batman, is too specific to bruce, in my mind. while on the topic of bruce, i found it very interesting, that pretty much everyone from part 1, that survived, was brought back, except him. in retrospect, it does make the wayne family plot point of the first feel kind of tacked on, but i feel, it was done on purpose, to separate it further, from the source material. its not hard to understand, why many fans of comic book movies will feel, like theyre being pranked, but its a tragic prank, as written by arthur fleck. arthur fleck who? this point wouldve gone over better, if they didnt make harley closer to her source material, than expected, only to completely flip the dynamic, that joker and harley have, in said source material. everything gets turned on its head. so yes, its kind of a mess, on purpose and the decisions are often baffling, but for me at least, there was still genuine emotional investment and i knew, that this numbness, after leaving the theatre, was the point, not a clever, (like some have interpreted the ending of the first one), but a deeply emotionally resonant one. warts and all, this has genuinely touched me deeply, more than any film ive seen in the theatres, since the last one. arguing whats the point, is missing and proving said point- collectively we didnt care about arthur, we wanted to see joker. we wanted escapism and got something uncomfortably real and the contrast, in the fantastical musical numbers, made it land even heavier and ive felt anxious, every time the flick came to a grinding halt, when musical sequences faded to black and we got thrown back, into reality. as an audience weve been collectively taught, to expect certain things, from a franchise movie and this film, if nothing else, exists, to defy these expectations and i for one, cant help, but respect it, for that, while still understanding perfectly, why this wont go over well, for a lot of people. it has made me think and feel a lot, since i came out of the cinema- about the last 20 years and how these franchises have turned into the flogging of a dead horse, yet somehow, a flick like deadpool and wolverine taking up the mantle, of biggest R rated film off of joker, feels like a statement, about where we are, both artistically and collectively- easy sarcasm, cameos and even characters being reduced to memes- you contrast this with the honest sentiment, of an old timey song, sung slightly off key, but genuinely vulnerable, naked, stripped, like arthur was, of any pretense. and while i wont argue against todd phillips very own pretensions, the character of arthur fleck will stay with me and cast a shadow.
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Loved the first one. Saw it in the cinema many times. Will not see this. Can't stand Gaga.
I wasn't happy with the musical bit with the Joker character. It was boring and scenes took too long to make a point. I think it was a huge disappointment since I'm not into musical movies.
The main takeaway is just don’t trust reviews. If you go to the most levelheaded reviewers on YT, their views on the movie are drastically different. There’s just no consensus even amongst the people you think would be able to give a shared viewpoint. So it does make you think people use big words to explain why they like stuff but it just comes down to personal preference. I guess that’s my problem with these reviews, people trying to act like they are coming at it from less bias viewpoints. How I see it. His character is a loser in the first movie. Makes a lot of people who feel like weirdos feel seen. But with this movie, where do you go? Him being a cult hero feels odd. Him having the adoration of an eccentric woman feels way too heavy handed and also loses the truth that the first movie was talking about. I think this movie felt the need to insert a female counterpart in order to appeal to other demographics of fans, which usually ends up jeopardizing what made the original movie good.
They probably had to rush in the end cause it’s a 2 hour movie but I can’t wait to see it! I wonder if there gonna have a 3rd
There won't be a third.
Its a Musical.....every 15 minutes is a musical score.....most viewers are not expecting that as an Action Film.....
This is NOT an action film
No one, in the history of the world, has ever said this was an action film.
This joker folie a deux is the worst film in 2024, totally cringe garbage worst ever in DC is just musical movie. Not worth it at all wasting money.
Holy shit you talk about a terrible review.