Labour's Gaza Betrayal with Owen Jones
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- The Labour Party is en route to form the next government of the United Kingdom with what most analysts describe as a landslide majority. The Conservatives have resided over a failed government, with Brexit, economic crisis and poor public services now associated with the Rishi Sunak’s lacklustre government. Labour’s leader, Keir Starmer is comfortably ahead in the polls and it is now openly stated that the tories may be out of government for a generation.
Yet on Gaza, Labour policy has been horrendous. It has given a green light to Israel from the very start of its genocidal campaign, with its frontbenchers including David Lammy, Wes Streeting, Emily Thornberry and Lisa Nandy making it very clear that they supported a siege of Gaza or the absolute right of Israel to self defence. Labour continued this position despite the carnage and despite the interim judgement by the ICJ that clearly stated Israel was committing a plausible genocide.
I have visited many Muslim communities in towns and cities across the UK and it is clear to me that our anger is palpable. There is a consensus forming that we can no longer vote for a party that has given the green light to killing on an industrial scale. To help us make a case against Labour, I have the pleasure today to speak to probably someone who is the most qualified to discuss the party, journalist and commentator Owen Jones. Owen has been a principled campaigner for Gaza and recently made the unprecedented move to leave Labour. He now calls for an alliance of independents and progressives.
Owen Jones is a Guardian columnist and the author of a number of book including The Establishment - And How They Get Away With It
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#thethinkingmuslimpodcast episode 148
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
2:45 Why Owen left Labour?
8:40 Labour protected Tories over Gaza
12:13 Why Labour disregarded Muslims
19:35 Owen’s strategy and Muslim vote
26:48 Labour power mad
29:28 Labour has shifted on Gaza?
35:30 Should we engage with Labour
40:35 Owen and Corbyn
43:44 Why he regrets his stance on Corbyn
49:14 George Galloway
54:53 The left on Syria and Uyghurs
58:00 Labour Friends of Israel
1:03:16 Media collusion
1:07:55 Independent MPs
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Wow. Great to see Owen Jones on here. In fact, its quite amazing that he, as a white, gay atheist, has arguably been the best Western journalist when it comes to this issue. He's put many Muslim public figures to shame by comparison.
May Allah guide him to Islam.
In sha Allah
amin
Ameen ,
Btw I didn't know you were a muslim
He is an amazing person. I’m happy to see him too on this podcast.
Ameen
Voted labour since 1980, won't vote labour now!
Me too
voting is haram. you have 58 islamic countries to choose from, build universities there and protest child abuse. leave the Jews alone, they have 1 country and they are educated and contribute to human kind far more than islam ever has.
Then who
Does that apply to the TORY- They are the Party in Government. Do you THINK if Starmer says ceasefire NOW to Netanyahu, He would listen? GET REAL!!!
They lost my vote and I'm not even Muslim.
Say “im not muslim yet” 😊🎉
@@Zakg24 well I'll take it over Brexiteer or Reform voter.
Bro come to Islam read Quran sura qayama
By the passage of time! Surely humanity is in grave loss, except those who have faith, do good, and urge each other to the truth, and urge each other to perseverance.
Me too-nothing to do with religion it’s about man’s inhumanity to man
I am not voting Labour until Kier Starmer resigns. I will vote independent instead.
💯!
Starver is supported by the same MP's that plotted against Corbyn. The rot is deeper than Starver alone he is just the boil not the virus.
Starma double agent.
A sad loss, ( does your mum know?).
You’re a single issue obsessive then.
You’re a member of the British public, not a citizen in Gaza. You can hold your opinions on what Isreal is doing, but that is not what the British government is for.
Voting Labour doesn’t mean you don’t have sympathy and strong emotions about Gaza. Voting Labour means you care about making the country a better, more equal place.
You need to stop blaming kier Starmer for not being your perfect Middle Eastern saviour. That isn’t his job.
He wants a cease fire, he’s a human being with a family.
Ive quit the Labour party, im voting Green 💚
You have to admire Owen’s consistent stance on this issue. Even in the face of a smear campaign against him by MSM he has maintained his position. Brave man. Kudos.
An awful, awful man. He is a consistent bigot and basically an old-fashioned anti-semite.
I think the Israeli lobby has put a crap ton of money into attempting to remove the LGBTQIA 's support of the Palestinians.
My home country of Iraq, which never had any anti-LGBTQIA laws (despite having discrimination and fostering an overall dangerous environment for that community) now, all of a sudden, in 2024 has decided "Let's have laws".
It's clear why this is, this isn't the work of the Islamic extremists in the country, it's the work of a foreign western government attempting to paint Israel as the only safe haven for members of that community in the middle east.
Of course, that's something every idiot Islamic extremist always falls for, and this is how the people with the righteous cause end up losing public support. They had it because of the world's humanitarian views, and when they're painted as inhumane it's only natural that they lose this support.
Yeah, they have got to wake up because they're being played, just like Putin, but hopefully unlike Putin, they'd wake up.
Apparently on twitter he said he isn't a zionist or anti-zionist either. I Hope his stance has changed but beware as there is a huge history of inconsistency from him around this topic
Vote independents, to break parliament.
My independent is pro Isrsel
@@WahidaZaeem then vote green.
@@WahidaZaeem Pro-genocide.. I see. I see
Don't just vote labour to get the tories out. Vote other and get them all out.
@@colinsixhitter3303there are a few lab MPs who are good. I do also believe the good ones aren't with starmer on his view.
An absolutely brilliant interview. The detailed analysis offered by Owen is highly insightful. Every Muslim who's thinking about voting for Labour should watch this. Jazakallah Khair as always
That’s exactly what I was thinking but how can we mobilise our community to vote for independent candidates or the Greens?
I agree, however, I would hope every Non-Zionist, regardless of religion, needs to listen to this. His voice is even more powerful in a calm intelligent conversation like this one, rather than in a triggered situation like a Piers Morgan or Sky News "interview/debate".
@@sufmeister786 Google The Muslim Vote and the work they are trying to do in our communities regarding the election, specifically in areas where our vote can influence the outcome and then share with everyone you know!
It is unethical to vote for the Labour party.
Labour party, along with the UK establishment, supporting , aiding and abetting the genocide in Gaza. How can anyone vote for Tory, Labour et al. when they are supporting mass murder?
Owen has always been a great ally to the Muslim Community alhamdulillah, may Allah bless him by guiding him to Islam.
Ameen - he has been a great service to this topic.
Allah guides who he wills and misguides who he wills, May Allah guide us all!
In sha Allah
while being an enemy to tolerance, knowledge and understanding
yet he is silent on the treatment of muslims by China and Burma, because he doesn't give 1 damm about any Muslim, not sure who is the more stupid , him, or muslims for thinking someone like him is sincere
Ameen.
George Galloway has stood up to be counted and one cannot say that about most public figures.
The anti-nato, anti-ukraine, pro-russian fool who handed thousands of pounds from a JD bag to Hamas members on camera and who supported sadaam Hussain?
Owen Jones is a real gem. Your hard work is applauded Owen.
No he isn't! He is an irrelevant ponce who needs a regular slapping.
A Labour government for a generation ? Ha Ha? What a laugh.
Labour have only once had two terms in government, since the war. This was because Tony Blair was such an accomplished liar, and cheat. Only Sad Dick Khan has these qualities in abundance. Furthermore there is no such thing as a 'thinking Muslim'. This is a contradiction in terms.
Good to see Owen on the podcast. This sort of dialogue is essential. Owen has been brave over the past few months. Thank you for being a voice for the voiceless Owen.
He's not been brave. It's his job. He's made massive profits from this conflict
Rejcting the political class does not mean rejecting sincere non-Muslim allies. We need allies who work with us, not subsume us like Labour.
Vote for the GREEN PARTY on 2nd May 2024 UK. Don't forget to take your ID with you.
Owen was one of the first journalists to speak clearly about genocide in Gaza. He had the insight, and he hosted a "genocide" specialist accademic as early as the beginning of November. He has been very consistent in his coverage.
I pray to Allah to shine His light onto Owen's heart.
Vote Workers party of Britain as they support Palestine (George Galloway)
May Allah guide him... And be safe Mr Owen...😊
Owen mentioned that there are striking parallels between Israel and Bosnian Serbs during the war. An even crazier fact is that Israel offered Ratko Mladic 'assistance' in arming and training the Serbs in the most efficient ways to cleanse the land of 'troublesome Muslims'. It was all noted down in Mladic's personal diary during the war. Israel is at war with all Muslims around the world.
Israel sided with Serbia as Israeli minister Tommy Lapid was born in Serbia. Iran, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood sided with Bosnia.
Great episode! Great guest of whom I’m a mega fan.
Thank you brother Jalal
Nisrine from Morocco
Labour has lost the plot
As a gay man, everything Owen Jones says, and that comes out of his bizarre, self-defeating, extreme left wing mouth makes my blood boil. He aligns himself with people who hate him, and wish him harm, and goes against those that stand to protect him. Absolute madness.
I know this guy Owen Is out of his mind completely! He should move to a muslim country and enjoy some gay freedom over there! 😂😂😂
Does the LG in LGBT stand for Love Genocide?
@@laurant4282 It depends who you ask it seems. Lots of people are very selective about who they give a damn about. For me, I wish everyone freedom and life, but when they wish me death in return, I have to be slightly more selective and thoughtful about who I support. We have long since tolerated the intolerant, and still we are given no respect for it.
@@phily8093 Does any of what you said justify genocide?
Also completely ignoring Palestinian queers as well...or do we only care about LGBT if they are white-europeans and not "barabaric backwards arabs"
@@phily8093 yeah! You're starting to get it!
God bless Owen. He had been tireless in calling out oppressors of every shade and highlighting their oppression, particularly in relation to what's happening in Gaza ❤
We've got to join hands and launch a movement to limit the toxic power of a Starmocracy.
Thank you for hosting Owen Jones. He has done a lot to stop the genocide since the beginning. Thank you Owen 🇵🇸 ✌️ 2:22
George Galloway isn't problematic, he is anti murder and anti unjust wars.
Owen spoke about Yemen when hardly anynody else was. May Allah guide him. He is a good person
Vote for Independents, just to set a precedent that voter concerns matter...
Vote Workers party of Britain as they support Palestine (George Galloway)
@@Acesinz I stand corrected
Owen "right side of history" jones
Great combination for a thought-provoking conversation. A Pt2 would be great
So good to see Owen here, he epitomises an ideological sense of justice rather than just standing for a cause. Knowledge destroys complacency!
May Allah protect him and the esteemed host ameen.
Vote Workers party of Britain as they support Palestine (George Galloway)
im 1 year younger than Owen and have been a supporter of the labour party, but now i will not be voting for them.
Vote Workers party of Britain as they support Palestine (George Galloway)
@@AcesinzBut we are in Britain.They can't do anything in Gaza.But it seems if you mention Gaza you get voted ,so there's a massive bandwagon now.
Thank you TTM for hosting a great genuine conversation and person. I was really happy to see you had Owen on as a guest speaker and really appreciate the interview. Really pray this is seen by so many people that it helps to bring the Labour majority down because all our voices are important. InshaAllah.
In the interest of fairness why don't you invite George Galloway for an interview.
But haven't you seen his tweets!? He is dangerous! /sarcasm
GG is a legend. This podcast isn’t worthy
It’s probably much harder to get a interview with George he is after all a sitting MP
Because he only says what Putin wants him to?
@@syedvaz6109 Its interesting the interviewer keeps insisting on Syria but hardly talks about the ousting and defeat of muslim brotherhood in Egypt and the take over by dictator Sisi. He barely touches on the topic of Sisi and Egypt just because it was backed by the US, and he is pretty ok for Syria being part of Israel or an Israeli zionist puppet just like how Egypt is now... an Israeli zionist puppet.
He is inconsistent himself. Quiet hypocritical himself. He too surely has bias glasses on him.
Thank you for having Owen on. He has been great at combating z io lies. I look forward to listening to this.
Labour has lost the Labour vote
Starmer isn't interested in the traditional labour voter anymore he wants the right wing to vote for him as they represent his views
Labour is polling way higher now than they have for years so looks like they've found lots of Labour voters. What you mean if they've your vote and you think you represent everyone
I wish MY COUNTRY would have professionals LIKE HIM
Jalal appears to have a special gift of asking the questions that need to be asked by journalists but rarely are. Jalal always brings the best out of his guests. The Thinking Muslim Podcast continues to inform, surprise, and challenge conventional thinking.
I’m 64 years old and have been voting Labour since I could vote, so has my whole family been staunch supporters of Labour Party, I am sad to say we will no longer be supporting the Labour Party. Let’s all vote Green and show them that they need to change and not be mirror image of the conservative party
Wow this is a must watch. Cant wait to listen to it.
One of the greatest champions of the Palestinian cause . Very passionate and sincere.
Thank you for having him on. !!!!!😊
Owen Jones is a good Man of Principles,
May Allah open his heart to Islam,.... Ameen
This was a very thoughtful interview. Thanks
Thank you
Absolutely, unless you are are over 7.
@@captaintorch983 I'd rather have the brain of a child than be a Zionist. Any day. They are becoming a pariah state and they will pay in the next life too.
Owen Jones is a champion and I love him
Great collaboration ❤
Should have lost more than the Muslim vote
And that’s the real ugly truth about this genocide. Including many of those who went to the protests, these idiots will still vote for Labour
He has done Jane.
I will be voting green party, atleast it's full of honest and kind people. Not full of snakes like labour
Owen for PM, now! He’d be better than every tosspot of a PM we’ve had in decades
How do you expect an immature limp wristed gay like Owen to govern a country? You are crazy!
Thank you Owen. You are and will always be number one western reporter in the west who has stood up with integrity and morals and courage. Thank you for all you do
Good to see Owen. Power to him and thank you.
Thanks for hosting Owen, he is wonderful. Iam on his petron and utube pages
Great to see owen here
I am not Muslim, but my admiration for the dignity and grace by which Palestinian Muslims and those who support their cause have acted throughout the Israeli genocide has impressed upon me the beauty of their faith. I don't know any Muslims or I would inquire on how to investigate learning and coming to a more informed and benevolent understanding of this faith in order to consider becoming a Muslim. Owen is a charm, his points of view are most valuable.
Wow!
There is a saying
"What you are seeking is already seeking you,"
Allah is closer to you than your jugular vein ..
You can get yourself a copy of the Holy Quran and start reading it ..
Thank you for your message. I would suggest you follow the youtube videos of Dr Omar Suleiman and other Islamic organisations like Lewisham Mosque here in the UK. If you are in the UK then Lewisham Mosque has got to be the first place to visit.
Vote independent!!!!!
Your vote matters!!!
Palestine 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸
Isn't independent just another cover of Nigel farage's party and another pro isR aya l party? Interestingly Monty Panesar has now joined George Galloway in the worker's party of Britain.. Just so that's a different option than conservative and labour.
Shout out to you for hosting owen Jones
I love him ❤️😍, i have been following his video vigorously since October 7th
Theyve lost a LOT of votes.. mine eg.. 74yo white male aetheistic humanist .. former paid up member & lifelong Labour voter.. 😢
THE EXACT SAME THING HAS HAPPENED IN THE USA!
Yes, me and my family voted green
Thanks for this update and opinions that matter.
Nice Owen Jones, been watching his vids recently and now he’s on here. Great!
Wow 🤩 what a collaboration! I havent seen the video yet but Im sure Im going to get some valuable information from Owen Jones. Thank you both
Please speak to your friends and family. Make Labour lose every single Muslim vote. And as many non-Muslim votes as possible.
Vote green instead, the green party is full of nice people like Caroline Lucas even though she is sadly leaving. Never voting labour ever again
Solid!
Brilliant Host Brilliant Guest.
Owen Jones,your voice,your love for the truth. Thank you dear brother ❤
One of the best podcast channels! Thank you brothers
The Green party has been the most consistently progressive, humane and pro-ceasefire both at a local and national level. A vote for the Greens is a vote to put pressure on whichever Tory or Labour party that ends up in government, never mind the fact that they are virtually indistinguishable from each other.
Nearly everyone I spoke to at my local mosque will be voting green. Watch what happens in the local election, I suspect a shocking green victory in traditional labour areas
God protect this man.
I am subbscribed to both Jones and Galloway. I am going to go ahead and defend Gorge Galloway becuase I think he wasn't very positive here which I am actually surprised becuase I like both. I believe both Owen and George are more similar than different but the difference is that George doesn't really care what you say, he doesn't debate, he says what he knows and what he believes at that time with the information that he has, no debate, he crushes you before you even have a chance to speak, that's one thing I noticed, and that does not make him a typical politician that most are used to, he speaks the truth regardless how you feel about it or not.
Totally agree. Love George and Owen
They have contempt for all voters
Starmer has slowly woken up to the fact that his refusal to criticise Israel has not merely been immoral but has lost them many votes.
So glad you brought Owen Jones on - I've followed him for the last couple of years and he is genuinely one of the most principled journalists I have ever come across :)
love this man so much, thank you for getting him on!
Absolutely.
Owen you should speak to Galloway and ask him why he made these choices he may have more nuance as to why he made these choose.
❤❤❤ Love Owen Jones. Man of humanity, principles and integrity. May Almighty God, God of Moses, Jesus and Muhammed (peace be upon them) bless and protect him!
Thank you for getting Owen Jones.
This is frightening..what are we supposed to do? Wait 2 years?
Bookmarking this for later tonight. Owen Jones + The Thinking Muslim... I am so looking forward to this when I have time to focus on it.
Galloway is a great man of principle who has been fighting for Palestine all of his political life, he's the real deal!
I’m an atheist-just subscribed -keep up the good work.
As a foreigner its diffuclt to know the intricacies of british politics but at the dawn of the Gaza genocide pro muslim media have really shown Galloway in a positive light. However, I have noticed even Sami hamdi isnt a big fan of him either. Can any Brit clear this up for me whats the catch with George Galloway?
Opportunists
It’s because they are hypocrites and one their personal Agendas. George Galloway is great man of courage. The only MP Will backbone and these little girls are upset lol.
His victory has given confidence and hope to millions around the UK
Nothing. They still want one foot in the elite British media pool and openly supporting Galloway would bar them from that ecosystem completely.
Insane that my comment was deleted. I was explaining what the catch was but i guess youtube or this channel doesnt want anyone to know.
There is no catch with Galloway. The catch is with Jones. He was part of the fake anti-semitism scam that helped bring Corbyn down.
In the lead up to the 2017 election the media were saying one thing but seeing the crowds chanting for Corbyn and meeting and talking to people (particularly young people) I wasn't convinced by either the media nor the polls, in fact one of the most reliable polls predicted N.O.C., I remember saying to one young woman Labour voter we could win, she said no way, but it was only a few thousand votes and another week or so and I think Labour could've won, and the U.K. would be a better place today.
Thank you for having Owen Jones, was really looking for it
We all know what he is looking for!
I’ll be voting strategically. Not Labour. Not Tory. Another party or independent depending on the individual and their history.
BDS...LONG LIVE PALESTINE
Independents all the way. Every year
Alhamdulillah i cant even begin how much i needed to see my fellow brothers and sisters showing kindness ❤
Subhan Allah
Another excellent episode
David Cameron has done a complete 180 on the issue of Gaza. He was good at the beginning but ever since Iran got involved, he’s completely changed.
The U.K. is influenced politically by the U.S and Israel too much, by the Saudi's financially, and the Tories (particularily) by India through imperial links, who pushed for brexit to break up our links with europe.
Allan. You think the impulse for Brexit came from India? Are you mad?
@@Samuel-hd3cp No but Indian politicians encouraged all the people of Indian heritage to vote for it, most British/Indian MP's. supported it
❤ thank you for this, Owen has been doing great work
Never done a day's work in his life.
I am not a fan of GG positions about many issues, including Russia, but GG had big cojones when almost when nobody else in the party had none left, and his masterclass in shitting on US Congress during that famous session would be an inspiration. they made a dumb decision when keeping a modicum of balance would have been both ethical and smart. the shame on their heads.
Great to see Owen here , great site and great guests 💚
Great guest 👍
Vote for anyone Except Labour or Conservative.
Salaam Vote Workers party of Britain as they support Palestine (George Galloway)
Own jones he is very genious.very kind person..
Entirely agree. Difficulty is for many people who to vote for. None of the traditional parties are innocent in the Gaza massacre. What party is it possible to vote for in this coming election which has a conscience on this?
The greens or independents. Barb
Seems to me like the UK has a Uni-Party problem just like the USA. Doesn't matter what the either/or choice is, they're both beholden to the powerful oligarchic powers in the background that pay the politicians for their fealty.
I don't listen to Owen as much now because I got his message rather quickly, so an occasional check-in on his channel, is enough for me. Nice surprise to seem him here because he's in calm conversation with you, without being triggered by others. So THANKS for this. Outstanding work.
Agree
thanks for sharing
Starmer says he is a proud zionist, new MP's are being sent to Israel, their single biggest doner Greg Lubner is a white South African Apartheid supporter who also supports Apartheid Israel gave £5 million.
Are day is near☪️
I didn't expect this colab and will listen with interest ان شاء الله
Why is George Galloway a problem? He tweeted something I didn't agree with.
And this is the Left. We have to agree on everything.
He's viewed as a problem here due to consistency. He can be against what's happening in gaza and that's great but won't have anything negative to say about Assad in Syria or the Chinese and the uyghurs etc
@@nk7274 Probably the most consistent politician in parliament atm but then again im American so i really dont know lel
@@nk7274He also has very problematic (in my view) opinions on reproductive health and abortion rights, where he’s very much aligned with the Christian far-right of the Republican party in the US; as well as having said many anti-trans things (despite claiming not to be anti-trans).
These may or may not be issues for you, but his strongly socially conservative stance very much clashes with my own socially progressive set of beliefs, which are about embracing, supporting, normalising, and fighting for the equality of and against the marginalisation of people of minorities; whether their minority grouping is from an ethnic/religious/sexuality/gender/gender-identity/disability status (and many others I’ve forgotten here!) position!
I’m a member of a couple of those minorities myself (bisexual, neurodivergent - as well as a few less fundamental minorities, like being a woman in tech, and a person on the left who’s willing to speak up on those issues!); but that’s almost by-the-by, and I don’t stand up for those aspects any more than any of the others I mentioned (especially since in our current society it seems like Muslims or Arab or trans people are much more maligned and marginalised groups than those I belong to, so that’s where my focus is naturally drawn to).
I’ve definitely got off-topic of George Galloway here… but one more thing I haven’t mentioned that I find problematic with him is his tendency to be quite nasty towards his opponents - just look at his treatment of the Naz Shah, the Labour candidate in his Bradford West constituency in 2015. One comment I just read from him in double-checking some of these facts was that he’s not very kind, and I can’t find any way to dispute that.
Without a doubt, his views and speeches on Gaza are wholly correct, and he is indeed one of the few MPs to speak clearly and freely on this subject, and for that I do support him.
@@EmmaVB82 Most Muslims are even more socially conservative than this far right Christian Conservatism of America you talk about. If you say you support us you should support our right to be socially conservative and want nothing to do with the gays for example, it’s Haram (evil).
Thank you both! ❤
Jalal bhai please sit with Norman Finkelstein and Sahil Adeem. insha' Allah.