+rideordie hmmm that would require some preparation it would seem not sure about them letting in the priests and that statue with all those candles ... maybe in a theater job interview
TheBarbahaba haha nah I'm trying to be more realistic: "Well your resume checks out, but one more question. In your opinion, what unique strength do you bring to our company" *rips off shirt* "I AM A SON OF HADES!" Boom.
You have to understand the fear of the gods in that time. Nothing today compares to it. A man who would knowingly affront the gods was insane. It shows he lacks no fear. And a man without fear can do anything.
Yeah, he can do anything, like die on the first alley stabbed because he thinks that no one would do it or just doesn't care about. The lack of fear is not exactly something good, never was and never will.
HumA you’re misinterpreting the post. I never said a complete lack of fear was a good thing. What I said was he could do anything and I mean that from the perspective that he is unpredictable and was capable of violating social norms, such as in this case potentially killing people that had been called to a meeting overseen by a deity. That type of behavior can cause fear in others, which is why the holdouts capitulated after he broke the statue.
@@Murphy82nd Sorry, it must be for the lack of tone and context. I wasn't saying that you said that, just pointing that the lack of fear is a good way to die.
HumA it can lead to destructive behavior which is pretty obvious in the character of Vorenus if you watch the show. At the same time people can be paralyzed by fear. There’s a balance that’s needed.
I'd just like to add that when Vorenus says he is a son of Hades, he means that he holds his life to be of no account, and therefore he is beloved by the god of death. Given his past actions, which are known to all gathered there, and his demeanor, they are convinced he is the proper ruler of their little corner of the criminal world of Rome.
Indeed. Romans practiced the assimilation and melding of religions and pantheons, with the Roman pantheon of course being the dominant one in Rome itself. The Romans also had a rather interesting relationship with Greek culture. So, Pluto and Hades would more or less be interchangeable.
Even Pullo, a typical apex predator amongst apex predators, looks shaken. Even asking Vorenus to back down by whispering, "Brother!..". That really says something.
@@matthewspencer2094 lol being loyal to someone doesn't make you a 'beta'. in fact either term means fuck-all. said terminology was used originally to *incorrectly* explain wolves and their packs. it means nothing now.
Lucius Vorenus was a First Spear Centurion - they were the most senior centurions in an entire legion. And remember, he was the First Spear Centurion of the XIII, who were (at least in the show) the most battle-hardened legion in all of Rome. So he was already one of the best and most experienced fighters in all of Rome (again, this is in the show). What he had before that was a very strong moral compass and code. It was him abandoning that, that made him so dangerous. Even before abandoning his moral code, he was referred to as 'the ferocious Lucius Vorenus' by Julius Caesar, who said the reason that he'd chosen him as a Senator is because no-one would dare to raise a hand to him with Vorenus by his side.
Little known tidbit in there about how these gangs operated. "Naturally should there be civil violence you will be called upon to defend the rights of the Consul." There was no full-time police force in Rome. These gangs were used from time to time to either keep the peace or as shown later in the season act as hired thugs and hitmen. Vorenus was reminding them they will have certain obligations as an armed force on behalf of the government from time to time.
@@stonem0013 correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he mentioned in Caesar's memoirs alongside Pullo as a Centurion? We know they existed but we literally know nothing about them?
@@TheCookieGamer523 I didn't mean in that sense. I mean that in the show, Vorenus the soldier was different to this wretch he had become. This behaviour wasn't why he was first spear.
This series really works hard to portray a pre-Christian world, and it succeeds. This scene is an excellent example. These men do not worship that statute: she is a symbol of what they worship, which is a world filled with powers that they acknowledge are superior, called gods. Vorenus tells them he is a Son of Death and they believe him. He has the favor of Hades, so they will obey him, mostly.
The gods were not in a spiritual place far away from men but there, amongst them. An oath to a god was taken as ultimately serious. And if Vorenus was bluffing or lying, this would be on his expense and consequences.
Wrong. They don't actually believe he is the son of Hades. They were bluffing and used the idol as a buffer zone. He smashed the idol opening the way to combat, supposedly the idol held them back, letting them know he is willing and ready for combat. Than they all submitted, because he called out their bluff.
Well now that I'm sober I might of spoken too soon. I think your analysis is much more elaborate and I over simplified the scene. Either way, one of the best shows ever :)
they all know how many people he killed, how he lead him men to battle, how ceaser himself came to him house to talk to him, how he kill the last guy and all the men, the rest ran off, and well he is batshit crazy.
It was originally supposed to move much slower through the history and span several more seasons, covering much greater detail. Sadly HBO forced the writers to rush to the finish line because of the high budget. The set design costs for the show must have been astronomical.
For the time yes, but each episode of Game of Thrones from season 2 onwards cost more to produce than any episode of Rome. And trust me, I calculated to account for inflation. BBC were the one who pulled the plug, this was a collaborative project.
At this time rome was divided into regions. interestingly the aventine, vorenus" manor, was back then the 13th region. THIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are right, to some extent. The division was made thanks to Octavian Caesar reforms. Aventine Hill was XII district, the Aventine plains, where today is Ostiense station, was district XIII. We can suppose, that the rich lived on the hill, while th Vorenus's plebs lived on the plains near the river;)
This show must have had the easiest script writing sessions in television history. This is one of those great shows where what actually happened was all that was needed to make great television (with a few creative stories like this to make the show more down to earth). By far one of the best shows in recent history!
Not talking smack because A) this is from 10 years ago and B) the history is fascinating and I wholeheartedly approve of the sentiment, but like... script writing for this show was probably a doubly hard on account of many of the major plot points actually happening. It contradicts history in places but they probably tried to keep that to a minimum, meaning they would have had to reference historical materials constantly while still being responsible for writing the vast majority of the character drama that we see play out. Especially in the lives of the 'little people'. Vorenus is a great example: mentioned briefly in Caesar's writing, a single bout of combat alongside Pullo is all that he is remembered for, so basically everything we see involving him and his life was the work of the writers. They deserve a lot of credit! They made wrote some great stuff and the effort they put into fleshing out the lives of the everyday Romans really shows.
This is actually similar to how the Roman Empire would do business with conquered opponents. It wouldn't impose direct martial law, it would empower the local elites and support them so long as they in turn supported the Roman governors.
Or it would empower the local underclass, the petty nobles, and give them charge of a region in return for cooperation against the current nobility. Roman foreign policy was ahead of its time.
Vorenus is a very similar character to Nelson van Alden in boardwalk empire, they are both devout religious characters who go by the book but later lose their faith and fall into the criminal underworld
Great scene.. The pagan superstitions during this historical period had control of even the worst scum of the earth. Vorenus' disdain for the religious figure shook even the most hardened criminal of the "Famous and Feared Collegium of Vigils of the Aventine".
+Selling the Second Amendment. Do those qualify as scum, though? I'd call them monsters or delusional leaders. There is some kind of grandeur to them, however terrible it is, that is completely ommitted with the word "scum". Also, mass murderers come in all shapes, especially in leading positions. Want to talk about the kings of Spain during the Reconquista, Charlemagne against the Pagans, Nero against the Christians, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi...Those were great leaders with great religious zeal, but they were (or still are, in the last case) mass murderers. This is not true of the scum of the earth. In my mind, "scum" refers to petty criminals: thieves, murderers, sellswords, whoremongers, cheaters, gamblers, liars, etc. If you look at the modern equivalent of the collegiums (the Italian mafia, for example), you see that they are very religious. It doesn't mean they are very respectful of what religion commands, it just means that they are overly superstitious and will do everything they can to save their arses in the next life. That's why you see mafiosi kissing the hands of priests, bishops, etc.
How is what he said a fallacy? He is rightfully pointing out that some of the worst people to ever live were not, in fact, controlled by superstition and religion, thus proving that the statement isn't a truism.
At the next job interview: Thank you for coming. Unfortunately, there is a more qualified candidate that is a better fit for our corporate culture and core values as outlined on the founders painting iver there. (Looks at painting) Grabs it and smashes it against the wall "I am a son of HADES!!!" Them: welcome to the team.
Its interesting the first scene shows Pullo as the out of control , drunk , bloodthirsty type , and as the show progresses you realize its the exact opposite
I met one of the creators of Rome at a film festival in Austin, John Milius. He states that some of set burnt down and HBO didn't have the money for a good replacement.
What's the most difficult thing in life, no one wishes to have? Is it death?, No, the most difficult thing is PAIN. When everything in your life is taken away, when whatever you lived for are gone, and when Even the God cannot bring much pain in your life, whenever someone has reached this point, he has nothing to fear and can do anything. What he has to fear? Death? No. Pain? He has experienced the worst possible pain someone ever could. At that point, he can have no fear of God or anything. Lucius vorenus had reached this point and therefore, could easily destroy the statue of that God. This was very justifiable. He really is the son of hades and has no fear of anything any God may bring on him. So, this wonderfully shows what a Man who has reached THIS point in life can do. I pray that I may never reach this point. Life has been punishing and i pray i never reach this point of Vorenus.
Basically..? He's scaring the Sheep. Pagan Rome was VERY superstitious, after all. Beyond that, he truly believed he was damned. (& what better use for his "Damnation" than to do his duty to Mark Antony?) That scene..? was rather like walking up to the Pope & kicking him in the balls - Given the time..? it was beyond abhorrent! Something Vorenus used to great effect...
"5,000 denari, that's not bad. In cash or grain?" "As you'd like" Lucius really just went in there letting his you-know-whats hang free, huh 😂basically the ancient Roman equivalent of "Would you like your money in a bank transfer, or do you want us to pay off your mortgage with it instead?" 😂😂😂
Well, in the season finale and season 2 premiere; SOOOOO much bad shit happened to Vorenus that he was literally left in a daze; bedridden for a while, and only Pullo and his wife was there to help him. It got so bad that people felt his house was cursed and started placing charms on the doors and walls to keep the 'evil spirits' within the site of the tragedy. When he snapped out of it, all that was left was complete rage and the belief that "What can the gods do to me now? I fear nothing"
Hades (from Ancient Greek Ἅιδης/ᾍδης) was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. Eventually, the god's name came to designate the abode of the dead. In Greek mythology, Hades is the oldest male child of Cronus and Rhea considering the order of birth from the mother, or the youngest, considering the regurgitation by the father. The latter view is attested in Poseidon's speech in the Iliad. According to myth, he and his brothers Zeus and Poseidon defeated the Titans and claimed rulership over the cosmos, ruling the underworld, air, and sea, respectively; the solid earth, long the province of Gaia, was available to all three concurrently. Later, the Greeks started referring to the god as Plouton, which the Romans Latinized as Pluto. The Romans would associate Hades/Pluto with their own chthonic gods, Dis Pater and Orcus. The corresponding Etruscan god was Aita. He is often pictured with the three-headed dog Cerberus. In the later mythological tradition, though not in antiquity, he is associated with the Helm of Darkness and the bident. The term "Hades" in Christian theology (and in New Testament Greek) is parallel to Hebrew sheol (שאול, "grave, dirt-pit"), and refers to the abode of the dead. The Christian concept of hell is more akin to and communicated by the Greek concept of Tartarus, a deep, gloomy part of Hades used as a dungeon of torment and suffering.
@@boybakala9677 Roman and Greek Gods had become interchangeable by the late republic. Although, a poor Italian Roman would be more likely to call the Gods by their Roman names I assume.
@3:07 🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿 SON OF HADES! Titus pullo and lucious V. Are the ultimate brothers in arms legion. They may have been real due to Julius Caesar actually writing about l the both of them having a competitive rivalry.
Its true. Both legion centurions competing for more and accolades throughout the Gallic Wars. Read about Centurion Cassius Scaevus. He wa also a Centurion they all knew well.
This scene also illustrates the superstition and religious nature of Romans. No matter the situation and how much they disrespect their enemies, insulting or desecrating a God, even a foreign God, was not something they would usually do. Throughout the entire Empire, even foreign conquered provinces, they always allowed local worship of foreign divinites and accepted them as part of their pantheon. They didn't want to anger another God just because he was foreign. So Lucius Vorenus' behavior here is seen as insane for no good reason. All this changed when Christianity took over the Empire as official cult. Christians (just like Jews before them) were intolerant of any other cult.
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You know Vorenus has unravelled when even Pullo thinks he's gone too far.
the greatest comment in the history of RUclips
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season 2 except for ep.1 is pure trash and fiction
Pullo was breathing all heavy
I should try this at my next job interview
+rideordie hmmm that would require some preparation it would seem
not sure about them letting in the priests and that statue with all those candles ...
maybe in a theater job interview
TheBarbahaba
haha nah I'm trying to be more realistic:
"Well your resume checks out, but one more question. In your opinion, what unique strength do you bring to our company"
*rips off shirt*
"I AM A SON OF HADES!"
Boom.
+rideordie I would omit the "being-the-son-of-a-god-who-fucks-lesser-gods-in-the-ass" part.
Boss: "Um, who is Concord?"
If they don't have a statue of Concord, then just use a crucifix or bible. Same thing.
You have to understand the fear of the gods in that time. Nothing today compares to it. A man who would knowingly affront the gods was insane. It shows he lacks no fear. And a man without fear can do anything.
Yeah, he can do anything, like die on the first alley stabbed because he thinks that no one would do it or just doesn't care about.
The lack of fear is not exactly something good, never was and never will.
HumA you’re misinterpreting the post. I never said a complete lack of fear was a good thing. What I said was he could do anything and I mean that from the perspective that he is unpredictable and was capable of violating social norms, such as in this case potentially killing people that had been called to a meeting overseen by a deity. That type of behavior can cause fear in others, which is why the holdouts capitulated after he broke the statue.
@@Murphy82nd Sorry, it must be for the lack of tone and context.
I wasn't saying that you said that, just pointing that the lack of fear is a good way to die.
HumA it can lead to destructive behavior which is pretty obvious in the character of Vorenus if you watch the show. At the same time people can be paralyzed by fear. There’s a balance that’s needed.
@@Huma270490 No said person wouldn't be that idiotic if they did do it lol
This actor really has a way to make his character look completely insane...
A ginger Scotsman is a fearsome sight to behold, indeed.
Well, we was a sole survivor of werewolves attacking on 2 military units, one of those being SAS squad.
Let’s say hypothetically I looked like that every time I had to buckle down and study for a midterm would I then be completely insane asswell?
@@BestWayKilla Ginger Scotsmen are totally hot.
I'd just like to add that when Vorenus says he is a son of Hades, he means that he holds his life to be of no account, and therefore he is beloved by the god of death. Given his past actions, which are known to all gathered there, and his demeanor, they are convinced he is the proper ruler of their little corner of the criminal world of Rome.
lebarosky He's also batshit crazy, Hades is Greek not Roman. He should be a son of Pluto.
He also famous as the man who intervened to save Pullo, a pretty famous solider, working for Ceaser and Mark Anthony.
He no minor guy.
Romans accepted most Pagan gods under their pantheon.
Indeed. Romans practiced the assimilation and melding of religions and pantheons, with the Roman pantheon of course being the dominant one in Rome itself. The Romans also had a rather interesting relationship with Greek culture. So, Pluto and Hades would more or less be interchangeable.
But Hades could refer to the Underworld, and not the god?
“You would do well to return that respect..” ..”Well I can’t do that but I can give you coin instead”
Savage.
Sigma theme plays
Even Pullo, a typical apex predator amongst apex predators, looks shaken. Even asking Vorenus to back down by whispering, "Brother!..". That really says something.
I think you meant alpha male not apex predator
what a stupid comment
@@retrovirus-3543 What a stupid response.
@@yawgmoth6568 Pullo is the most beta of all betas.
He always has the back of his alpha, but hes never the alpha.
@@matthewspencer2094 lol being loyal to someone doesn't make you a 'beta'. in fact either term means fuck-all. said terminology was used originally to *incorrectly* explain wolves and their packs. it means nothing now.
Chuck Norris fainted in the corner.
Self Stirring Pot+ Chuck Norris shit another fist.
chuck norris is so tough he took 500 cocks up his ass at the same time and didn't even wince.
That's gay
John Malko ur mom gay
Chuck Norris? Never heard of her. ;-)
This is Lucius' "I am the danger" speech
He actually is though.
This is way better.
I love Breaking Bad but cmon, Walt ain't got shit on Vorenus
I'd be more scared of Lucius than Walter. Dude calls himself a son of Hades and he makes it completely believable.
Concord just came like 20 times.
"Will you do business with me?"
- Nod your head. Smile. Back away.
Napalm38382+ Cowers in the shadows.
As I recall, the most dangerous one turned out to be the guy who was the most reserved and respectful. This was such a great, great show.
Lucius Vorenus was a First Spear Centurion - they were the most senior centurions in an entire legion. And remember, he was the First Spear Centurion of the XIII, who were (at least in the show) the most battle-hardened legion in all of Rome. So he was already one of the best and most experienced fighters in all of Rome (again, this is in the show).
What he had before that was a very strong moral compass and code. It was him abandoning that, that made him so dangerous.
Even before abandoning his moral code, he was referred to as 'the ferocious Lucius Vorenus' by Julius Caesar, who said the reason that he'd chosen him as a Senator is because no-one would dare to raise a hand to him with Vorenus by his side.
Kevin McKidd is such a champion, I love how at 3:38 he goes from savage menace to cold blankness in a heartbeat. Truly terrifying!
RIP Ray Stevenson, loved Pullo!
Little known tidbit in there about how these gangs operated. "Naturally should there be civil violence you will be called upon to defend the rights of the Consul." There was no full-time police force in Rome. These gangs were used from time to time to either keep the peace or as shown later in the season act as hired thugs and hitmen. Vorenus was reminding them they will have certain obligations as an armed force on behalf of the government from time to time.
@DevilTrigger By the time of Antony however, when this is set, he's correct.
@@ave789 to say nothing of the fact that I'm sure there was overlap between the Collegia and the Vigiles
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Even Pullo was freaked out.
That's how you get to be First Spear Centurion in the Legion, boys. Even the Gods cower.
No, the Vorenus of the legion was a different man to what he is here
@@stonem0013 correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he mentioned in Caesar's memoirs alongside Pullo as a Centurion?
We know they existed but we literally know nothing about them?
@@TheCookieGamer523 I didn't mean in that sense. I mean that in the show, Vorenus the soldier was different to this wretch he had become. This behaviour wasn't why he was first spear.
@@stonem0013 ohhhh I see...
Yeah you're not wrong, it's like he goes through a twisted rebirth of sorts.
@@TheCookieGamer523 descent into darkness
Vorenus was the boss. Even Marc Anthony had a hard time bending him.
he didn't bend him, Vorenus is a loyal man and Marc Anthony was lucky to get his loyalty
This series really works hard to portray a pre-Christian world, and it succeeds. This scene is an excellent example. These men do not worship that statute: she is a symbol of what they worship, which is a world filled with powers that they acknowledge are superior, called gods. Vorenus tells them he is a Son of Death and they believe him. He has the favor of Hades, so they will obey him, mostly.
The gods were not in a spiritual place far away from men but there, amongst them. An oath to a god was taken as ultimately serious. And if Vorenus was bluffing or lying, this would be on his expense and consequences.
Wrong. They don't actually believe he is the son of Hades. They were bluffing and used the idol as a buffer zone. He smashed the idol opening the way to combat, supposedly the idol held them back, letting them know he is willing and ready for combat. Than they all submitted, because he called out their bluff.
Well that certainly makes everything clear. Thanks for the reply!
Well now that I'm sober I might of spoken too soon. I think your analysis is much more elaborate and I over simplified the scene. Either way, one of the best shows ever :)
And now I've realized you weren't replying to me. I really need to stop drinking.
Mimio "You would do well to return that respect."
Vorenus "I can't do that but I can give you coin instead"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
When you go so crazy even Pullo looks worried.
they all know how many people he killed, how he lead him men to battle, how ceaser himself came to him house to talk to him, how he kill the last guy and all the men, the rest ran off, and well he is batshit crazy.
The message that Vorenus put those captains was, "I'm not afraid of the Gods" and a man who is not afraid of is a man to be feared.
I'm pretty sure the message was that he actually believes himself to be the son of Hades. No subtext needed.
A text book example of diplomacy and negotiating skill ;-)
Vorenus managed to "close the deal " in impressive fashion .
@happamia t. kettu It's the one written by Bismarck with the foreword by Genghis Khan.
It was originally supposed to move much slower through the history and span several more seasons, covering much greater detail. Sadly HBO forced the writers to rush to the finish line because of the high budget. The set design costs for the show must have been astronomical.
For the time yes, but each episode of Game of Thrones from season 2 onwards cost more to produce than any episode of Rome. And trust me, I calculated to account for inflation. BBC were the one who pulled the plug, this was a collaborative project.
@@thelastjerkbender2505 Rome never got the eyeballs that GOT. U could argue however that Rome did prime the pump for GOT's success
Don't mess with First Spear Centurion
At this time rome was divided into regions. interestingly the aventine, vorenus" manor, was back then the 13th region. THIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are right, to some extent. The division was made thanks to Octavian Caesar reforms. Aventine Hill was XII district, the Aventine plains, where today is Ostiense station, was district XIII. We can suppose, that the rich lived on the hill, while th Vorenus's plebs lived on the plains near the river;)
This show must have had the easiest script writing sessions in television history. This is one of those great shows where what actually happened was all that was needed to make great television (with a few creative stories like this to make the show more down to earth). By far one of the best shows in recent history!
But as far as I know, nothing in my this scene actually happened?
@@douglasbubbletrousers4763 original comment clearly says "with a few creative stories like this"
Not talking smack because A) this is from 10 years ago and B) the history is fascinating and I wholeheartedly approve of the sentiment, but like... script writing for this show was probably a doubly hard on account of many of the major plot points actually happening. It contradicts history in places but they probably tried to keep that to a minimum, meaning they would have had to reference historical materials constantly while still being responsible for writing the vast majority of the character drama that we see play out. Especially in the lives of the 'little people'. Vorenus is a great example: mentioned briefly in Caesar's writing, a single bout of combat alongside Pullo is all that he is remembered for, so basically everything we see involving him and his life was the work of the writers. They deserve a lot of credit! They made wrote some great stuff and the effort they put into fleshing out the lives of the everyday Romans really shows.
@@zion7283 Bro I swear people can't read 😂
Ikr just anvient one liners.
This is actually similar to how the Roman Empire would do business with conquered opponents. It wouldn't impose direct martial law, it would empower the local elites and support them so long as they in turn supported the Roman governors.
Or it would empower the local underclass, the petty nobles, and give them charge of a region in return for cooperation against the current nobility. Roman foreign policy was ahead of its time.
The modern equivalent of this would be an aspiring drug lord showing his rivals a live feed of one of his men sucide-bombing FBI headquarters.
Great scene! Gods I miss this series! Watched my blurays over and over and just wished there was more! :(
Also nobody realizes that Vorenus' actor also voiced "Soap" from Call of Duty
One of the best scenes on any HBO show. That’s says it all
There was a rat sitting at the table eating when the guests arrived
I have never seen such a great cast of actors as I have in this series!!!
Deamons flee when good men go to war.
"respectable men" My keyboard and monitor are soaking with coffee! LOL!
Maybe my favorite scene in the whole show, amazing acting 🎭
Smart move on both ends. 5000 Denarius is a ton of coin. The vagabonds make bank for doing nothing, Antony buys muscle and peace. Win win
Vorenus is a very similar character to Nelson van Alden in boardwalk empire, they are both devout religious characters who go by the book but later lose their faith and fall into the criminal underworld
never looked at it that way, you are right.
I laughed like never before the first time I've seen this scene... looking at all those stoned faces HAHAHA!
OMFG!!! When I watched this stoned I rewind to the bit "I AM A SON OF HADES I FUCK CONCOUR IN HER ASS" over and over again 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did the same thing lol, I was high out of my gord the first time I saw this and that line nearly killed me.....
Vorenus staring at them all having claimed his allegiance to hades: Even now in my old age I could cut through all of you like carving a cake!!
Fuck I have hard times too. Life feels empty. Maybe I should face the mob and tell them. "I AM A SON OF HADES!! YOU WILL DO WHAT I TELL."
And then you will return to Hades' arms.
I did it! And they called the police and an ambulance. I was in therapy for 1 whole year!
Haha.
Even Liam neeson would piss himself a little bit xD
Great scene.. The pagan superstitions during this historical period had control of even the worst scum of the earth. Vorenus' disdain for the religious figure shook even the most hardened criminal of the "Famous and Feared Collegium of Vigils of the Aventine".
Laughing House Music I guess you've never heard of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, wonderful mass murderers, all Atheists.
+Selling the Second Amendment. That is a fallacy, nice try though.
+Selling the Second Amendment. Do those qualify as scum, though? I'd call them monsters or delusional leaders. There is some kind of grandeur to them, however terrible it is, that is completely ommitted with the word "scum". Also, mass murderers come in all shapes, especially in leading positions. Want to talk about the kings of Spain during the Reconquista, Charlemagne against the Pagans, Nero against the Christians, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi...Those were great leaders with great religious zeal, but they were (or still are, in the last case) mass murderers.
This is not true of the scum of the earth.
In my mind, "scum" refers to petty criminals: thieves, murderers, sellswords, whoremongers, cheaters, gamblers, liars, etc.
If you look at the modern equivalent of the collegiums (the Italian mafia, for example), you see that they are very religious. It doesn't mean they are very respectful of what religion commands, it just means that they are overly superstitious and will do everything they can to save their arses in the next life. That's why you see mafiosi kissing the hands of priests, bishops, etc.
Can you argue about topics without resorting to falacies? +Selling the Second Amendment
How is what he said a fallacy? He is rightfully pointing out that some of the worst people to ever live were not, in fact, controlled by superstition and religion, thus proving that the statement isn't a truism.
When push comes to shove, Gaius Ignus Ascerbo really ain't 'bout it-'bout it.
It's a pity the show got too expensive to continue the potential cast and the characters were great.
Period stuff is insanely expensive
At the next job interview:
Thank you for coming.
Unfortunately, there is a more qualified candidate that is a better fit for our corporate culture and core values as outlined on the founders painting iver there.
(Looks at painting)
Grabs it and smashes it against the wall
"I am a son of HADES!!!"
Them: welcome to the team.
What can men do against such wreckless hate ???
Thug life
Everything about this scene was awesome.
Its interesting the first scene shows Pullo as the out of control , drunk , bloodthirsty type , and as the show progresses you realize its the exact opposite
A man of gravity. That's the understatement of all time.
Best scene in the whole series.
I met one of the creators of Rome at a film festival in Austin, John Milius. He states that some of set burnt down and HBO didn't have the money for a good replacement.
Never heard that detail. Interesting
That is gangster.
What's the most difficult thing in life, no one wishes to have? Is it death?, No, the most difficult thing is PAIN. When everything in your life is taken away, when whatever you lived for are gone, and when Even the God cannot bring much pain in your life, whenever someone has reached this point, he has nothing to fear and can do anything. What he has to fear? Death? No. Pain? He has experienced the worst possible pain someone ever could. At that point, he can have no fear of God or anything. Lucius vorenus had reached this point and therefore, could easily destroy the statue of that God. This was very justifiable. He really is the son of hades and has no fear of anything any God may bring on him. So, this wonderfully shows what a Man who has reached THIS point in life can do. I pray that I may never reach this point. Life has been punishing and i pray i never reach this point of Vorenus.
Basically..? He's scaring the Sheep. Pagan Rome was VERY superstitious, after all. Beyond that, he truly believed he was damned. (& what better use for his "Damnation" than to do his duty to Mark Antony?) That scene..? was rather like walking up to the Pope & kicking him in the balls - Given the time..? it was beyond abhorrent! Something Vorenus used to great effect...
"5,000 denari, that's not bad. In cash or grain?"
"As you'd like"
Lucius really just went in there letting his you-know-whats hang free, huh 😂basically the ancient Roman equivalent of "Would you like your money in a bank transfer, or do you want us to pay off your mortgage with it instead?" 😂😂😂
Well, in the season finale and season 2 premiere; SOOOOO much bad shit happened to Vorenus that he was literally left in a daze; bedridden for a while, and only Pullo and his wife was there to help him. It got so bad that people felt his house was cursed and started placing charms on the doors and walls to keep the 'evil spirits' within the site of the tragedy. When he snapped out of it, all that was left was complete rage and the belief that "What can the gods do to me now? I fear nothing"
If they ever do a spin off show for Sons of Anarchy they should call it Sons of Hades hahaha.
That’s basically this season of Rome.
this line gave me goosebumps when i first heard it
In modern days, Vorenus would be a Boeing executive.
I haven't seen a Concorde get wrecked like that since 2000.
he's a ginger what did you expect
Hades (from Ancient Greek Ἅιδης/ᾍδης) was the ancient Greek god of the underworld. Eventually, the god's name came to designate the abode of the dead. In Greek mythology, Hades is the oldest male child of Cronus and Rhea considering the order of birth from the mother, or the youngest, considering the regurgitation by the father. The latter view is attested in Poseidon's speech in the Iliad. According to myth, he and his brothers Zeus and Poseidon defeated the Titans and claimed rulership over the cosmos, ruling the underworld, air, and sea, respectively; the solid earth, long the province of Gaia, was available to all three concurrently.
Later, the Greeks started referring to the god as Plouton, which the Romans Latinized as Pluto. The Romans would associate Hades/Pluto with their own chthonic gods, Dis Pater and Orcus. The corresponding Etruscan god was Aita. He is often pictured with the three-headed dog Cerberus. In the later mythological tradition, though not in antiquity, he is associated with the Helm of Darkness and the bident.
The term "Hades" in Christian theology (and in New Testament Greek) is parallel to Hebrew sheol (שאול, "grave, dirt-pit"), and refers to the abode of the dead. The Christian concept of hell is more akin to and communicated by the Greek concept of Tartarus, a deep, gloomy part of Hades used as a dungeon of torment and suffering.
Thank you.
But he was supposed to say "I am son of pluto" because he is a roman and hades is a greek god, while pluto is a roman version of hades
@@boybakala9677 Roman and Greek Gods had become interchangeable by the late republic. Although, a poor Italian Roman would be more likely to call the Gods by their Roman names I assume.
@3:07 🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿 SON OF HADES!
Titus pullo and lucious V. Are the ultimate brothers in arms legion. They may have been real due to Julius Caesar actually writing about l the both of them having a competitive rivalry.
Its true. Both legion centurions competing for more and accolades throughout the Gallic Wars. Read about Centurion Cassius Scaevus. He wa also a Centurion they all knew well.
Nice to Gaius Acerbo’s ancestors go on to hound Legasov at Chernobyl
The birth of the mafia
legend has it this scene was shot in reverse
Once Assebo saw Vorenus was a Son of Hades, he had to ally since Assebo is left-handed and thus himself a spawn of dark powers.
best scene in tv history
power always overrides religion (or other "higher" social norms), but it can't be a recurring practice (or it has to be very well concealed)
Must be an old joke what you get when you have a Carthage , Galatians , and Thracian in same room ! .
3:07 Gonna steal that for my dating app profile
I love being s son of HADES.........................................
This scene also illustrates the superstition and religious nature of Romans.
No matter the situation and how much they disrespect their enemies, insulting or desecrating a God, even a foreign God, was not something they would usually do.
Throughout the entire Empire, even foreign conquered provinces, they always allowed local worship of foreign divinites and accepted them as part of their pantheon.
They didn't want to anger another God just because he was foreign. So Lucius Vorenus' behavior here is seen as insane for no good reason.
All this changed when Christianity took over the Empire as official cult. Christians (just like Jews before them) were intolerant of any other cult.
Pretty nervous as for a sullen catonian;)
most intimidating actor/character combo ever put on screen
What happens to Memeo is hilarious.
Best line on the show!!
The look on Pulos face when Vorenus smashes the concord....
the lesson here is that Vorenus never needed men to run the whole fucking Aventine
Say hello to the new lean, mean Lucius Vorenus, Kingpin of Crime.
The switch-up at 3:37 tho
As a Roman, shouldn’t he say he’s a son of Pluto instead of Hades?
This scene is sick! I loved
This fuxxxng show so much. 13!!!!
I actually thought they were going to kill him for smashing that statue.
Perfect example of roman diplomacy
2:08-2:20
Best way to negotiate and procure goods and services 😂
Another meeting that could have been an email.
At 1:01 I can't do that it I can give you money. HE doesn't even try to partake in the courtesy of politics. True military style
"A son of Pluto" didn't sound as sexy, I guess.
I think he means a son of the hells, it was still referred to as Hades by some romans.
I....AM A SON... OF HADES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gaius Ignus Acerbo is a cool name
What is it they say - as Caligula put it so eloquently in "I Claudius" - "Find a dog who will eat a dog".
funny how the long haired guy that stood up to fight ends up joining pullo in the fight against memio
Now that’s working off your frustration!!
How to control a room!
Vorenus went from being a senator, to being a mobster. So, basically...he had the same job.
That's the reason why the name Ceasar didn't die even today.