You can also close the beat detective window after separating and use "cmd + 0" to conform, and ctrl-option-+ or - to adjust the grid value. And if you encounter a triplet fill (which happens all the time in metal), use ctrl-option-command-+ to switch to triplets. Way faster.
ProTools can't do slip editing right. You have to split with an automatic crossfade, then you slip the contents of the item/clip to the grid, not the position of the clip. Only Reaper and Cubase can do that. The other thing that's slowing you down is listening to EACH edit as you go instead of waiting till the end or making significant progress.
By now you know where things should go, you adjust if things sound wrong at the end. I take the time to listen to podcasts or music I like and resist the urge to listen to edits I already know are correct. Takes some time to get in the zone. You spend less time fixing artifacts by choosing where to cut and where the transient goes yourself.
Sounds good. I never had any luck editing drums that way, just seemed like a long tedious chore with no real rewards. The thing I found most rewarding was manually leveling hits. I found having the drummer play a little bit slower 10bpm or so to get a tighter groove and then speed it up in the DAW can work. You can't have to big of a speed change as it will become noticable and destroy the natural decay time of the instrument.
yeah, if I have a sloppy drummer I'll sometimes track a little slower to give myself more editing room. However I usually stick to 5bpm max for the same reason, to keep the decay natural.
@@hardcoremusicstudio I'm usually my own sloppy drummer/producer. My biggest issue is fills, they seem the hardest to get right and edit, hihat or ride decay at the beginning of the fill and tom decay at the end. I usually just slide the tempo on certain fills it can add a bit of realism sometimes. I think there should be a quick way to dynamic process close mic hits into their own midi sample/hits. To keep all the natural drum hits and modify the speed without effecting the overall tone.
Jordan, is this your approach for guitar as well? Align the transients to line up with drums to create a tight mix either by using beat detective or manually? I assume manually since beat detective is not going to catch transients for guitar as easily?
No offense, but man, this is child's play and even I would use Beat Detective for these kind of drums due to how simple they are due to the low percentage of the algo messing it up. Slip editing is superior in heavier music because you have 1,000 kick hits and toms in various note lengths you need to deal with and so on. By the time you've readjusted the parameters or your grid settings and not to mention that the algo didn't happen to miss drum hits, you use the same amount of time.
Scott, I came across this video because I've been struggling on slip editing berserkir for about a month-- I saw this video and instantly thought about how childish these drums are considering I've been at it for so long learning how to edit berserkir. Chernobyl is right, try this on a extreme metal song 🤣🤣
Elastic Audio will affect the actual quality of the file itself, whereas Beat Detective doesn't process the file at all. I've tried both and still prefer BD
I started out "slip editing". What a nightmare. I thought my job would give me carpal tunnel... Doing concrete work... Not editing drums! Just imagine cutting that much tape!
No offense, but that method of manual editing is pretty slow and inefficient, you should have it set up so a crossfade is automatically generated, and instead of just "moving" the cut items, you should move the media within the item, so the items themselves don't move, but the audio inside them does. This is done with a custom action in Reaper. Setting up Alt+click to split on the mouse and alt+drag to move the audio within the item is the quickest way to do it because one run through it and there's no checking or troubleshooting to do, but I'm not sure if the same can be done in ProTools. I know there's a Beat detective clone in Reaper last I heard, but I've never actually tried it.
any tips on that man? i tried editing with flex time on 'slicing mode' but constantly get lots of artifacts from the cymbals. i use the closed mics and my Q track but to no avail
Group ur drums and click the edit and the editing phase button in the group. That way when u change one line they all change. Also line up all ur mic's before you set them as a group.
HI Jordan, what are your thoughts on tuning drums to the song? I hear of people that tune kick and snare to root notes and toms in the songs key, do you ever do this?
It's really not, it's just a matter of being diligent. I generally edit drums with a mix of these ways, and I'll get a flawless edit with all of the groove I want in about 30 minutes. And I don't consider that long
You can also close the beat detective window after separating and use "cmd + 0" to conform, and ctrl-option-+ or - to adjust the grid value. And if you encounter a triplet fill (which happens all the time in metal), use ctrl-option-command-+ to switch to triplets. Way faster.
wow, I never knew about the shortcut to change to triplets. this was always a frustration for me. thank you!
Sweet. Thanks. I never knew about the triplet snap.
ProTools can't do slip editing right. You have to split with an automatic crossfade, then you slip the contents of the item/clip to the grid, not the position of the clip. Only Reaper and Cubase can do that.
The other thing that's slowing you down is listening to EACH edit as you go instead of waiting till the end or making significant progress.
Can you point me to a Reaper drum quantizing/editing tutorial? I would be forever grateful.
sounds confusing!
I like to listen as I go and just check for artifacts at the end.
By now you know where things should go, you adjust if things sound wrong at the end. I take the time to listen to podcasts or music I like and resist the urge to listen to edits I already know are correct. Takes some time to get in the zone.
You spend less time fixing artifacts by choosing where to cut and where the transient goes yourself.
Yeah that's what I said above, basically.
You can in Pro Tools adjust Waveform within the clip/region without actually having to split the clip and use fades
Sounds good.
I never had any luck editing drums that way, just seemed like a long tedious chore with no real rewards. The thing I found most rewarding was manually leveling hits. I found having the drummer play a little bit slower 10bpm or so to get a tighter groove and then speed it up in the DAW can work. You can't have to big of a speed change as it will become noticable and destroy the natural decay time of the instrument.
yeah, if I have a sloppy drummer I'll sometimes track a little slower to give myself more editing room. However I usually stick to 5bpm max for the same reason, to keep the decay natural.
@@hardcoremusicstudio I'm usually my own sloppy drummer/producer. My biggest issue is fills, they seem the hardest to get right and edit, hihat or ride decay at the beginning of the fill and tom decay at the end. I usually just slide the tempo on certain fills it can add a bit of realism sometimes. I think there should be a quick way to dynamic process close mic hits into their own midi sample/hits. To keep all the natural drum hits and modify the speed without effecting the overall tone.
solid info on all your tutorials! good stuff :)
Can i commision you to edit drums for my deathcore band?
do you do this after a drum session or after the whole track is recorded?
Jordan, is this your approach for guitar as well? Align the transients to line up with drums to create a tight mix either by using beat detective or manually? I assume manually since beat detective is not going to catch transients for guitar as easily?
Excellent video!
Thanks, man!
No offense, but man, this is child's play and even I would use Beat Detective for these kind of drums due to how simple they are due to the low percentage of the algo messing it up. Slip editing is superior in heavier music because you have 1,000 kick hits and toms in various note lengths you need to deal with and so on. By the time you've readjusted the parameters or your grid settings and not to mention that the algo didn't happen to miss drum hits, you use the same amount of time.
LOL this comment
Scott, I came across this video because I've been struggling on slip editing berserkir for about a month--
I saw this video and instantly thought about how childish these drums are considering I've been at it for so long learning how to edit berserkir.
Chernobyl is right, try this on a extreme metal song 🤣🤣
Hey Jordan, any reason why you're using Beat Detective over Elastic Audio?
Elastic Audio will affect the actual quality of the file itself, whereas Beat Detective doesn't process the file at all. I've tried both and still prefer BD
Great video
I started out "slip editing". What a nightmare. I thought my job would give me carpal tunnel... Doing concrete work... Not editing drums! Just imagine cutting that much tape!
Hey, has anyone found a good alternative plugin like Beat Detective for PC? Cheers!
No offense, but that method of manual editing is pretty slow and inefficient, you should have it set up so a crossfade is automatically generated, and instead of just "moving" the cut items, you should move the media within the item, so the items themselves don't move, but the audio inside them does. This is done with a custom action in Reaper. Setting up Alt+click to split on the mouse and alt+drag to move the audio within the item is the quickest way to do it because one run through it and there's no checking or troubleshooting to do, but I'm not sure if the same can be done in ProTools. I know there's a Beat detective clone in Reaper last I heard, but I've never actually tried it.
Nice
what kind of reverb do you use for drums?
Using flex time thing on logic is easy to do manually.
any tips on that man? i tried editing with flex time on 'slicing mode' but constantly get lots of artifacts from the cymbals. i use the closed mics and my Q track but to no avail
Group ur drums and click the edit and the editing phase button in the group. That way when u change one line they all change. Also line up all ur mic's before you set them as a group.
you mean align the transients of snare and kick with the overheads and then group and flex away?
no, don't do that!
also, compare time stretching with cutting regions like i do in this video. You sacrifice some audio quality in time stretching.
@@hardcoremusicstudio agree
HI Jordan, what are your thoughts on tuning drums to the song? I hear of people that tune kick and snare to root notes and toms in the songs key, do you ever do this?
nope!
Thanks for your reply!
it's so tedious. I guess it's just practice that really counts... it's so easy to mess up the transients and groove of your drummer.
It's really not, it's just a matter of being diligent. I generally edit drums with a mix of these ways, and I'll get a flawless edit with all of the groove I want in about 30 minutes. And I don't consider that long