@Chase Williams I have just read the Hola camp report minutes. To say ‘he was one of the few MPs to speak out against the brutal treatment of Kenyans by British forces’ is a bit crass. It was Labour in opposition who were speaking out. What Powell said was along the lines of we should refuse all responsibilities and point finger firmly at Kenyan Gov and administration. “We cannot, we dare not, in Africa of all places, fall below our highest standards in the acceptance of responsibility”
Nails it! It was Benn who switched me onto Euroscepticism around 20 years ago. European Democracy cost 60 million lives. Are we going to let it just blow away??
@The Red-Eyed Baron A little hard to protect something which doesn't actually exist. Democracy is properly the most misused word of the english language currently.
@@kizzagt The actual fight to save Europe from Hitler cost sixty million lives. Britain, its empire, and the US gave Western Europe- and other parts of the world- their freedom, protecting them from Bolshevik death by bureaucracy.
@@Peace_and_love_24 No thank you. Embery and Blue Labour are Vichy-lite. Rather have a movement that doesn't sell out newer progressive ideals in favour of older socialism alone.
@@madgavin7568 I don't think its a dying breed, but I definitely agree that the mainstream left has abandoned to a sense the importance of a sense of patriotism. There is a difference in being proud of the achievements of one's nation rather than a more hostile nationalism, although too often nationalism is hijacked for hostile means. The right has always historically appropriated and rebranded ideas from the left, so I think that the left needs to embrace a new progressive kind of patriotism. One that takes pride in taking care of all the citizens who make up the nation, not as a tool of authority and war. Nationalism is not much use when you aren't tackling the large amount of people who are homeless or relying on food banks like the current government.
@@HC100_ I think you're mistaking nationalism for ultranationalism. Nationalism is a great thing as it unites the people in a nation to, as you say be proud of their own country, its achievements and to defend its status and existence. Ultranationalism is more extreme in that it takes it much further to the point where ultra nationalists believe in a 'greater' nation which results in territorial expansionism which can often does lead to war. Ultra nationalists also tend to take the view that their nation is unique and can do little to no wrong. That in my opinion is the real difference, one is a great thing and the other is a bad thing. I do however agree that the Left needs to be a lot more patriotic and embrace nationalism, supporting the existence of the nation state rather than believing in globalism and supporting institutions like the EU and the UN. They should also take a stand against China which is a dangerous totalitarian regime, instead of helping enrich them through disastrous trade deals.
There's a number of things I disagreed with Tony Benn on, but regardless I always respected him and was able to find common ground with him on many issues. Can't say I ever would've voted Labour, but I honestly wouldn't have minded if this guy had been our PM at some point. RIP Tony, one of the best MPs we ever had.
If you agreed with him on some things and would have been happy to see him as PM maybe you're not as Tory as you thought, might be time to have a rethink.
You do realize that the creators of the EU are rotschild & the bolshevik right? bolshevik caused millions of deaths before Soviet Union and rotschild financed the rebellion of Lower Canaada/USrael... these are the same people Adolf was fighting against.. we both lost ww2 to the xionist bankers...
If you don't believe the EU was built on subterfuge read the words of Jean Monet- the social called father of the EU project. "Europes nations must be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening, this can be achieved by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly, lead to federation". From EEC to EC to EU- the proof is in the pudding. Nobody in the EU parliament has been voted in, do you not believe that our British system, a system used throughout the free world, gives the individual vastly more agency in decisions and who makes them?
What you would call a true EU sceptic, opposed joining the eec in 73', supported leave in 79', opposed joining the Euro. These men saw the fallacy from the beginning before anyone else
This man's opinion and his TV debate with Roy Jenkins helped me to oppose our joining and that opinion remained unchanged to the present day. These speeches are available on RUclips and his views are remarkable for their accuracy and foresight.
The EU is many things, but it’s certainly not lacking in democracy, in fact I genuinely can’t think of a more democratic institution. Every EU law that’s passed has to be voted forward by not one, but two bodies. Both must agree, otherwise the law is not passed. Both those bodies are democratically elected by the people, by entirely separate processes and elections. Not only that, but both bodies are headed up by someone voted in by as many as five separate votes, all of which must agree. The layers of democracy are exhaustive. It’s truly astonishing how anyone could ever describe them as undemocratic.
@@RobManser77 but the only body that can propose a law is the commission and it is not elected. The who,e thing is set up to give the impression of democracy without actually being democratic
@@matthewhalsall5743 No, that was a lie invented in 2016 to get you to vote for Brexit. The Parliament (fully elected) can propose legislation, see Article 225 of the TFEU and the link below. Furthermore, we need to be clear that whilst the formal draft is drawn up by the Commission (like any civil service would do), this whole process is done alongside the elected Council and the Parliament. So in effect, the actual initiative lies across all three bodies. See the link below. Crucially, the power to pass laws lies only with Council and Parliament, who are separately elected by the people. Only when they both agree can a law be passed. Lastly, it's worth saying that even when that law is passed, nations can simply opt out if they want to, which is why the UK uses the pound, miles and mph in law, serve pints in pubs etc. In fact it's illegal to serve draft beer in litres in the UK. hum.port.ac.uk/europeanstudieshub/learning/module-2-understanding-eu-policy-making/the-right-of-initiative-does-the-commission-have-the-monopoly-of-initiation/
@@RobManser77 All i can see is the use of the expression "the council can request" nowhere does it say "can require". also clearly individuals cannot propose legislation in response to eg a member of the publics concerns
@@matthewhalsall5743 Sure, they do that via the Parliament. Each district has an MEP. As I said, it’s a modern system designed to be democratic. To call it undemocratic is ridiculous.
If more Labour politicians were like Tony Benn instead of the the European Union loving career politician's they are now lumbered with, I would gladly start voting Labour again.
A sensible well thought out real left wing reason to leave the EU. Benn had first-hand experience of the EU when he was in government. I voted Leave on his reasoning.
After he finishes talking, we are regaled with the sound of a hundred or more purportedly intelligent people at the Oxford Union trying their hardest to pretend that they haven’t heard what he’s just said.
A man of enormous integrity and principles, something that we don’t see in our elected representatives today. I completely agree with him about Europe but probably disagree with many other things. That of course is no longer OK. Today we don’t have left and right we have left and wrong. No room for disagreement.
No matter what institution of power that rules us. Whether centalised power be at Westminster or Brussels. Its up to the people to get involved and demand democracy.
@@MarkHopewell , maybe more than two letters to explain what you mean. By the way, I know that BS stands for bullshit, just not sure what you're referring to there.
Like JC didn't know. This fucked up country of ours will never have a truly left wing government again, I fear. Working class Tories? Why don't you go out and clap for the destruction of true socialism's greatest ever achievement - Clem Atlee's Welfare State.
This video of Benn from 2013 has aged like fine wine, brilliantly. As he eloquently says, correctly, the EU is Anti Democratic and also seeks to creep more and more powers year on year. I voted Brexit along with 52% and finally we accomplished it.
2.mins is all he needed to make a very clear and cohesive viewpoint. 2 and a half years now since the Bexite vote to leave and our current lot of politicians have done nothing.
It's remarkable that both Tony Benn and Enoch Powell shared the same views on the so called EU. They both said Britain will eventually cease to be a sovereign state and become a federal province of an undemocratic European state. Our parliamentary democracy, our laws taken over. How correct they were... You can check on RUclips. They both campaigned together in the original referendum. Absolutely remarkable.
We miss Tony Benn , I wish to God we had a politician of his morales, ethics and intelligence. Today we have no one near his stature he’s a giant among the giants of politician in the the UK . Sorely sorely missed 😢😢😢
The right and the left both have Eurosceptic ideas, but their reasons why they oppose the EU are very different. The right see the EU as an eroding force that chips away at things like national strength, traditions, and a fictionalised racial/cultural identity. The left (correctly) sees the EU as an organisation that allows the power of European neoliberal capital to grow, which in turn is generally bad for both working class people in the EU, and worse for those living in the colonised world. Benn’s analysis was spot on and he’s one of the only parliamentary figures I admire
I always liked Tony Benn, but I think he was wrong about the EU. It is interesting that he suggested that the EU is run by neoliberal bankers and we should leave because of it. The UKIP position was the the EU was run by loony socialists and we should therefore leave it. They cannot both be right. I don't follow his argument on democracy. In the UK you have the choice of two parties and whatever it is they offer. You have no other choice. You have no choice to chose a list of policy positions which are not advocated by one of the two parties. Democracy is always compromise. I would think that all inhabitants of Europe, by and large, want the same things. Stability, peace, opportunity, free schooling, healthcare, pensions. These are things they demand from their politicians. It would be surprising if the appointed EU commisioners (who incidentilly propose, but not decide policy, the EU commission is equivalent to the UK civil service, not HoC) would want something different.
This is the single main argument against the EU. The simple fact is that we don't have a say in Europe, and that is frightening. I will be voting to leave, whether it means the UK becomes richer or it nosedives into a recession is of no consideration to me. I'm glad economic arguments were cast aside when deciding whether or not to continue fighting the Germans in WW2!
Leaving the EU will defang the extreme right and left. Have you not noticed the rise in extremism across the continent because of the EU? The migrant crisis especially has made people desperate for a change in leadership to someone who will actually take action.
Agree. I want our sovereignty back! Lets keep our own house in order without interference. I've looked at both cases but in the end i can not get over that fact, the eu is not a democracy. This has led me to learn more about Tony Benn and the more vids i see of him, the more I like him. RIP Tony Benn and hopefully June 23rd will be our Independence day.
HRHooChicken It is mainly the right wing that are wanting this EU division that is why they're focusing on immigration and "the migrant crisis". The extremism is caused by US led Neo con war mongering in the ME, you can't bomb countries, eg Iraq, and then not expect blowback. Stop bombing people and help them rebuild instead that way they'll have a future and want to stay in their native countries..
"these barbarians" just those two words says exactly where your mind is at and proves that Brexit mainly appeals to racists, bigots, and xenophobes. Thanks for the affirmation. I rest my case.
Have seen a few videos now of this man,that have completely changed my views about him,it's amazing how our media can corrupt how we think of somebody,he actually talked a lot of sense,he and Enoch would have made a formidable team together,and maybe we wouldn't be in the utter mess we are now,especially on immigration! And all those wasted years in the corrupt eu could have been avoided
This great generation of WW2 politicians have all gone. Unfortunately we are left with university graduates with worrying ideology and no real life experience to back it up.
The hypocrisy of hindsight. Even Tories are applauding Tony Benn - those same people who said he was LEFT WING and bonkers. At least he was consistent.
The irony of Margaret Thatcher backed by the right wing media campaigning strongly for remain and Tony Benn for leave in 1975. Benn asked her some 15 years later if she regretted remaining in the EU and her response... "we were tricked, tricked!" During the campaign the right wing media persecuted and labelled Benn as the "most dangerous man in Britain", when he was the one standing for our sovereignty and democracy.
Also, how serious of an impact does the fact that the EC is unelected really make? The EC hardly does more than make recommendations to EU states and half the time those recommendations are ignored anyway; a lot of the problems blame on the EU are really due to too little oversight form the EU, it's usually member states that interfere with other member states; if anything the EC should have much more power... although in that scenario it should definitely be more accountable;
I didn't vote for our 100% tory cabinet ministers to come up with all the ideas of the government, so how does this "unelected commission of the EU" argument work? I still vote for representative MEPs like I do MPs, and just like how my local MP has no position in cabinet, my MEP hasn't got much individual power there either
I can see where Corbyn got his eurosceptic ideology from. Benn was right on many things but not on Europe. He failed to see that the world was no longer a collection of nation states. It had become a collection of large trading blocs. If you chose to live outside those blocs, you would suffer economically and hence socially and politically as is happening with the UK now .
what a pity that Enoch Powell has passed away. We need people who put country first, political career second. (he asked people to vote Labour when Britain first got into EU and Harold Wilson promised a referendum.)
"In Europe the positions are appointed, not elected." That's not true. The UK, while in the EU had a say and elected MEP. But that's fine, now the UK is out of the EU and can make its own laws without a say from other European countries. It's gonna decide its own future through its elected representatives in the house of the Lords. 🤗
Yes, we used to elect MEPs, but MEPs can’t propose, amend or repeal EU law. All of that is done by the European Commission… Funnily enough, European Commissioners aren’t elected, they’re appointed. So Tony Benn was correct in his statement
Don McGahn was a subsequent speaker. Oddly - he didn't demand it be behind closed doors, Washington, USA. His Oxford Union appearance. My work here is done.
Whenever somebody on the political left asks why I voted to leave the EU (as a Socialist myself) I often respond with "I would rather hold to the politics of Tony Benn than Tony Blair"
Perhaps some people had noble intention. A great deal however just wanted to see fewer foreign people in the country. Regardless of peoples motivation it has been a total calamity.
He was right about this and about most things.
I used to write letters to both Enoch and Tony when I was a kid - I still have their very polite and intelligent responses.
Can you share them?
@Smally Bigs indeed,I like both
Enoch Powell was a vehement racist to boot.
@@johnlocke1977 He was a prophet.
@Chase Williams I have just read the Hola camp report minutes. To say ‘he was one of the few MPs to speak out against the brutal treatment of Kenyans by British forces’ is a bit crass.
It was Labour in opposition who were speaking out.
What Powell said was along the lines of we should refuse all responsibilities and point finger firmly at Kenyan Gov and administration.
“We cannot, we dare not, in Africa of all places, fall below our highest standards in the acceptance of responsibility”
'They're building an empire and I don't want to be a part of it.'
Nails it! It was Benn who switched me onto Euroscepticism around 20 years ago.
European Democracy cost 60 million lives. Are we going to let it just blow away??
European democracy didn't cost 60 million lives. It was european collectivism that caused all those deaths.
@The Red-Eyed Baron A little hard to protect something which doesn't actually exist. Democracy is properly the most misused word of the english language currently.
@@kizzagt The actual fight to save Europe from Hitler cost sixty million lives. Britain, its empire, and the US gave Western Europe- and other parts of the world- their freedom, protecting them from Bolshevik death by bureaucracy.
He's right.
RIP Mr Benn
here's a shout out to all Left Wing Eurosceptics!
Lol
@@kapitankapital6580 Paul Embery for Labour leader
@Emanuel Camdyn what a lowlife.
Represent!
@@Peace_and_love_24 No thank you. Embery and Blue Labour are Vichy-lite. Rather have a movement that doesn't sell out newer progressive ideals in favour of older socialism alone.
This video is basically why I'm for leaving
tony benn .. a true bloody legend ..the best m.p There ever was
Abso-fucking-lutely!
British institution
Not bloody
Agreed the only politician I would ever think of voting for simply because he says what he believes and takes no bullshit
A man with the courage of his convictions. Not many in politics. Most are either self serving, self righteous or just plain bent crooks.
the good lefties. patriotic and genuine.
I agree
They're a dying breed though sadly.
@@madgavin7568 I agree. It's a shame we don't have those anymore these days.
@@madgavin7568 I don't think its a dying breed, but I definitely agree that the mainstream left has abandoned to a sense the importance of a sense of patriotism. There is a difference in being proud of the achievements of one's nation rather than a more hostile nationalism, although too often nationalism is hijacked for hostile means. The right has always historically appropriated and rebranded ideas from the left, so I think that the left needs to embrace a new progressive kind of patriotism. One that takes pride in taking care of all the citizens who make up the nation, not as a tool of authority and war. Nationalism is not much use when you aren't tackling the large amount of people who are homeless or relying on food banks like the current government.
@@HC100_ I think you're mistaking nationalism for ultranationalism. Nationalism is a great thing as it unites the people in a nation to, as you say be proud of their own country, its achievements and to defend its status and existence. Ultranationalism is more extreme in that it takes it much further to the point where ultra nationalists believe in a 'greater' nation which results in territorial expansionism which can often does lead to war. Ultra nationalists also tend to take the view that their nation is unique and can do little to no wrong. That in my opinion is the real difference, one is a great thing and the other is a bad thing.
I do however agree that the Left needs to be a lot more patriotic and embrace nationalism, supporting the existence of the nation state rather than believing in globalism and supporting institutions like the EU and the UN. They should also take a stand against China which is a dangerous totalitarian regime, instead of helping enrich them through disastrous trade deals.
What a crystal clear thinker this man is. I really like and appreciate the obvious respect that he has from quite young people in the room too.
If only we had more mp’s like him who actually used the power of thought
There's a number of things I disagreed with Tony Benn on, but regardless I always respected him and was able to find common ground with him on many issues. Can't say I ever would've voted Labour, but I honestly wouldn't have minded if this guy had been our PM at some point.
RIP Tony, one of the best MPs we ever had.
If you agreed with him on some things and would have been happy to see him as PM maybe you're not as Tory as you thought, might be time to have a rethink.
The Genius Tony Benn - he was totally correct on this.
Best PM we never had. Lovely man.
Amen to that. It breaks my heart to see how weak the left are now without left wing legends like Tony Benn.
He was so right on most things.
So sad. What a great man with a great and simple plan. What a legacy ❤️❤️❤️
Because of Tony I’m proudly Labour, proudly socialist and proudly BREXIT
I support remaining in the EU, but this probably one of the most eloquent and well-stated reasons to leave I've heard since the campaign began.
Why are you still in favor of remaining?
You do realize that the creators of the EU are rotschild & the bolshevik right? bolshevik caused millions of deaths before Soviet Union and rotschild financed the rebellion of Lower Canaada/USrael... these are the same people Adolf was fighting against.. we both lost ww2 to the xionist bankers...
@@RodavMetal92 because he needs cheap cleaners
@@themanwhotsoldtheworld1388 are you actually defending hitler?
If you don't believe the EU was built on subterfuge read the words of Jean Monet- the social called father of the EU project.
"Europes nations must be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening, this can be achieved by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly, lead to federation".
From EEC to EC to EU- the proof is in the pudding.
Nobody in the EU parliament has been voted in, do you not believe that our British system, a system used throughout the free world, gives the individual vastly more agency in decisions and who makes them?
What you would call a true EU sceptic, opposed joining the eec in 73', supported leave in 79', opposed joining the Euro. These men saw the fallacy from the beginning before anyone else
This man's opinion and his TV debate with Roy Jenkins helped me to oppose our joining and that opinion remained unchanged to the present day. These speeches are available on RUclips and his views are remarkable for their accuracy and foresight.
Tony Benns veiws are from a pure heart and morality and not made from flexible careerist reasons.
I could listen to this man all day. What a great politician.
Well stated by Tony Benn - best advocate for leaving the EU - a lack of democracy and questionable ambitions.
The EU is many things, but it’s certainly not lacking in democracy, in fact I genuinely can’t think of a more democratic institution. Every EU law that’s passed has to be voted forward by not one, but two bodies. Both must agree, otherwise the law is not passed. Both those bodies are democratically elected by the people, by entirely separate processes and elections. Not only that, but both bodies are headed up by someone voted in by as many as five separate votes, all of which must agree. The layers of democracy are exhaustive. It’s truly astonishing how anyone could ever describe them as undemocratic.
@@RobManser77 but the only body that can propose a law is the commission and it is not elected. The who,e thing is set up to give the impression of democracy without actually being democratic
@@matthewhalsall5743 No, that was a lie invented in 2016 to get you to vote for Brexit. The Parliament (fully elected) can propose legislation, see Article 225 of the TFEU and the link below. Furthermore, we need to be clear that whilst the formal draft is drawn up by the Commission (like any civil service would do), this whole process is done alongside the elected Council and the Parliament. So in effect, the actual initiative lies across all three bodies. See the link below.
Crucially, the power to pass laws lies only with Council and Parliament, who are separately elected by the people. Only when they both agree can a law be passed. Lastly, it's worth saying that even when that law is passed, nations can simply opt out if they want to, which is why the UK uses the pound, miles and mph in law, serve pints in pubs etc. In fact it's illegal to serve draft beer in litres in the UK.
hum.port.ac.uk/europeanstudieshub/learning/module-2-understanding-eu-policy-making/the-right-of-initiative-does-the-commission-have-the-monopoly-of-initiation/
@@RobManser77 All i can see is the use of the expression "the council can request" nowhere does it say "can require". also clearly individuals cannot propose legislation in response to eg a member of the publics concerns
@@matthewhalsall5743 Sure, they do that via the Parliament. Each district has an MEP. As I said, it’s a modern system designed to be democratic. To call it undemocratic is ridiculous.
If more Labour politicians were like Tony Benn instead of the the European Union loving career politician's they are now lumbered with, I would gladly start voting Labour again.
Blair sent labour straight down the toilet to be honest.
He died 1 week 1 month 1 year after this filming on the 7 Feb 2013 he died 14 March 2014.
Bless Him
A sensible well thought out real left wing reason to leave the EU. Benn had first-hand experience of the EU when he was in government. I voted Leave on his reasoning.
After he finishes talking, we are regaled with the sound of a hundred or more purportedly intelligent people at the Oxford Union trying their hardest to pretend that they haven’t heard what he’s just said.
A man of enormous integrity and principles, something that we don’t see in our elected representatives today.
I completely agree with him about Europe but probably disagree with many other things. That of course is no longer OK. Today we don’t have left and right we have left and wrong. No room for disagreement.
What a true legend
No matter what institution of power that rules us. Whether centalised power be at Westminster or Brussels. Its up to the people to get involved and demand democracy.
His son isn't a patch on his father
His son is a Blairite
Bless. RIP integrity!! 🇬🇧🙏❤
Respect Tony.
The best politician this country has ever had.
I'm a conservative (small 'c', i.e. not the Tories or UKIP etc.) and Tony Benn was the only socialist whom I know of that I liked and respected.
@@MarkHopewell , really detailed reply, bravo. 👏
@@MarkHopewell , maybe more than two letters to explain what you mean. By the way, I know that BS stands for bullshit, just not sure what you're referring to there.
God bless him-I love him-this should be posted to Jeremy Corbyn
Like JC didn't know. This fucked up country of ours will never have a truly left wing government again, I fear. Working class Tories? Why don't you go out and clap for the destruction of true socialism's greatest ever achievement - Clem Atlee's Welfare State.
Chris Archer
Yeah, thank goodness.
I'm on the right but this guy was great
Well said, by a man of principals.
I was fan of Tony Benn but agree wholeheartedly with his views on the European Union.
Here here.. its that simple folks
Here in 2024 and yes this man is right. EU Laws, EU courts stopping our Gov from deportations.
Never thought I'd agree with Anthony Wedgwood Benn.
Whether you disagreed with his politics, he was a man of great principle and was well worth listening to.
A man of conviction and principles. A real MP. The utter and complete opposite to Pinnochio Johnson, Rees Mogg and the sitting Tory eunuchs.
This guy was right
Tony Benn is sorely missed
@@MarkHopewell why what?
@@MarkHopewell great. Thanks
This video of Benn from 2013 has aged like fine wine, brilliantly. As he eloquently says, correctly, the EU is Anti Democratic and also seeks to creep more and more powers year on year. I voted Brexit along with 52% and finally we accomplished it.
Brilliant speaker. Seemingly complex issue simply and clearly put.
2.mins is all he needed to make a very clear and cohesive viewpoint.
2 and a half years now since the Bexite vote to leave and our current lot of politicians have done nothing.
I'm not a political person but I can listen to Mr Tony Benn
A man a genius ahead of his time measured in light years.
wonderful man ;-) R I P
What a man absolute saint great thinker and man who this country owes a lot to
God bless him!
It's remarkable that both Tony Benn and Enoch Powell shared the same views on the so called EU. They both said Britain will eventually cease to be a sovereign state and become a federal province of an undemocratic European state. Our parliamentary democracy, our laws taken over. How correct they were...
You can check on RUclips. They both campaigned together in the original referendum.
Absolutely remarkable.
R.I.P
To give clarity, when we fought in WW2, we fought against Hitler's Germany and not against the wider Europe, of course.
We miss Tony Benn , I wish to God we had a politician of his morales, ethics and intelligence. Today we have no one near his stature he’s a giant among the giants of politician in the the UK . Sorely sorely missed 😢😢😢
No we don't. Talk for yourself
@@KrlKngMrtssntake your own advice.
The right and the left both have Eurosceptic ideas, but their reasons why they oppose the EU are very different. The right see the EU as an eroding force that chips away at things like national strength, traditions, and a fictionalised racial/cultural identity. The left (correctly) sees the EU as an organisation that allows the power of European neoliberal capital to grow, which in turn is generally bad for both working class people in the EU, and worse for those living in the colonised world. Benn’s analysis was spot on and he’s one of the only parliamentary figures I admire
My word, labour's 2019 Brexit strategy was suchhhh a bad idea
The person responsible for that decision is now the leader!
What strategy? There wasn’t one.
The late Peter Shores 1975 speech was absolutely brilliant
Such a simple truth, and one that Remainers still don't understand.
I understand now...
Probably the only topic that I agreed with him on.
I always liked Tony Benn, but I think he was wrong about the EU. It is interesting that he suggested that the EU is run by neoliberal bankers and we should leave because of it. The UKIP position was the the EU was run by loony socialists and we should therefore leave it. They cannot both be right. I don't follow his argument on democracy. In the UK you have the choice of two parties and whatever it is they offer. You have no other choice. You have no choice to chose a list of policy positions which are not advocated by one of the two parties. Democracy is always compromise. I would think that all inhabitants of Europe, by and large, want the same things. Stability, peace, opportunity, free schooling, healthcare, pensions. These are things they demand from their politicians. It would be surprising if the appointed EU commisioners (who incidentilly propose, but not decide policy, the EU commission is equivalent to the UK civil service, not HoC) would want something different.
This is the single main argument against the EU. The simple fact is that we don't have a say in Europe, and that is frightening. I will be voting to leave, whether it means the UK becomes richer or it nosedives into a recession is of no consideration to me.
I'm glad economic arguments were cast aside when deciding whether or not to continue fighting the Germans in WW2!
What about the emboldening of the worst of right wing xenophobia, is that worthy of consideration?
Leaving the EU will defang the extreme right and left. Have you not noticed the rise in extremism across the continent because of the EU? The migrant crisis especially has made people desperate for a change in leadership to someone who will actually take action.
Agree. I want our sovereignty back! Lets keep our own house in order without interference. I've looked at both cases but in the end i can not get over that fact, the eu is not a democracy.
This has led me to learn more about Tony Benn and the more vids i see of him, the more I like him. RIP Tony Benn and hopefully June 23rd will be our Independence day.
HRHooChicken It is mainly the right wing that are wanting this EU division that is why they're focusing on immigration and "the migrant crisis". The extremism is caused by US led Neo con war mongering in the ME, you can't bomb countries, eg Iraq, and then not expect blowback. Stop bombing people and help them rebuild instead that way they'll have a future and want to stay in their native countries..
"these barbarians" just those two words says exactly where your mind is at and proves that Brexit mainly appeals to racists, bigots, and xenophobes. Thanks for the affirmation. I rest my case.
God rest his soul
Hero
Tonny was Right
Well said tone! , a rare grass roots campaigner ,
How right he is .
Have seen a few videos now of this man,that have completely changed my views about him,it's amazing how our media can corrupt how we think of somebody,he actually talked a lot of sense,he and Enoch would have made a formidable team together,and maybe we wouldn't be in the utter mess we are now,especially on immigration! And all those wasted years in the corrupt eu could have been avoided
This great generation of WW2 politicians have all gone. Unfortunately we are left with university graduates with worrying ideology and no real life experience to back it up.
The hypocrisy of hindsight. Even Tories are applauding Tony Benn - those same people who said he was LEFT WING and bonkers. At least he was consistent.
Tony Benn had principle and convictions, that's why he is applauded, These neo-liberals posing as left wing are a disgrace.
The irony of Margaret Thatcher backed by the right wing media campaigning strongly for remain and Tony Benn for leave in 1975. Benn asked her some 15 years later if she regretted remaining in the EU and her response... "we were tricked, tricked!" During the campaign the right wing media persecuted and labelled Benn as the "most dangerous man in Britain", when he was the one standing for our sovereignty and democracy.
Great guy, proper labour, the current party should learn their roots
spot on
Also, how serious of an impact does the fact that the EC is unelected really make?
The EC hardly does more than make recommendations to EU states and half the time those recommendations are ignored anyway; a lot of the problems blame on the EU are really due to too little oversight form the EU, it's usually member states that interfere with other member states; if anything the EC should have much more power... although in that scenario it should definitely be more accountable;
True words spoken
I didn't vote for our 100% tory cabinet ministers to come up with all the ideas of the government, so how does this "unelected commission of the EU" argument work? I still vote for representative MEPs like I do MPs, and just like how my local MP has no position in cabinet, my MEP hasn't got much individual power there either
i completly agree with toni ben.m.p.!! time to, LEAVE THIS SCLOROTIC EUROPEAN UNION.?
LEGEND
AN INSPIRATIONAL HUMAN BEING 👏❤
May Allah grant him Jannah ameen 🙏🏻
Great great man
Damn shame you can only save one video on your featured video for everyone to see, cause this would be one of them
I can see where Corbyn got his eurosceptic ideology from. Benn was right on many things but not on Europe. He failed to see that the world was no longer a collection of nation states. It had become a collection of large trading blocs. If you chose to live outside those blocs, you would suffer economically and hence socially and politically as is happening with the UK now .
what a pity that Enoch Powell has passed away. We need people who put country first, political career second. (he asked people to vote Labour when Britain first got into EU and Harold Wilson promised a referendum.)
Good points about the non-democratic nature of powerful EU positions.
"In Europe the positions are appointed, not elected."
That's not true. The UK, while in the EU had a say and elected MEP.
But that's fine, now the UK is out of the EU and can make its own laws without a say from other European countries.
It's gonna decide its own future through its elected representatives in the house of the Lords. 🤗
Yes, we used to elect MEPs, but MEPs can’t propose, amend or repeal EU law. All of that is done by the European Commission… Funnily enough, European Commissioners aren’t elected, they’re appointed. So Tony Benn was correct in his statement
Oh, and the House of Lords can’t stop legislation from being enacted by the elected House of Commons. It can delay it but only up to a year
God rest your soul, Tony.
Don McGahn was a subsequent speaker. Oddly - he didn't demand it be behind closed doors, Washington, USA. His Oxford Union appearance.
My work here is done.
Perfect.
voting leave eu
Whenever somebody on the political left asks why I voted to leave the EU (as a Socialist myself) I often respond with
"I would rather hold to the politics of Tony Benn than Tony Blair"
My thoughts exactly, which is why Brexit needed to happen.
Perhaps some people had noble intention. A great deal however just wanted to see fewer foreign people in the country. Regardless of peoples motivation it has been a total calamity.
When he died a big part of labour did
This was the main reason to leave ….European partnerships are a great idea ….but power corrupts ….and Europe became corrupt.
Yes but keeping the Tories in power and having a shitty future here in UK was well worth the ramblings of a Tory secret agent and Putin's puppet.
Correct!
Talks sense.