Hi Mark, I purchased this machine a bit over a year ago after watching a number of reviews and comparison videos (including many of yours!). This full review video goes into more detail and I 100% agree with you. I have zero regrets about buying this machine and love using it every day. Cheers, Andrew
Hi Andrew, Thanks for watching and for the feedback. We do our best to include as much info as possible in the videos! As is the case ECM products in general the Technika stands out from the rest in quality workmanship. Marc
Thanks Mark, great review. I have been using this machine for about 3-6 milk drinks daily for about a year now. It's never skipped a beat, and I've never regretted a cent I spent on it. Its easily handled up to 10 back to back milk drinks for families and friends. Only problems/gripes are: the 2 hole steam tip is a bit weak (the 4 hole is much better), it doesn't come with the parts needed to plumb the drip tray, and the single spout portafilter would be better off as a bottomless one.
Hi t, Thanks for your kind comment, sharing your experience and thoughts. Happy to hear you have no regrets! As you have found multiple back to back drinks are no problem on the Technika V. Sounds like you went to a four hole steam tip? As mentioned in the video the stock 2 hole tip is what I call balanced meaning it can steam continuously while maintaining boiler pressure. Go to a tip with more or larger holes and you'll get more initial steaming power but faster drop in boiler pressure and longer pressure recovery times. Steam tip selection is a personal preference. I know those who are newer to manual steaming often prefer a little less steam power as it gives them more time to froth while those with more experience/skill can handle more steam. I was a little surprised the drip tray is not pre-drilled and the machine does not come with a collection cup. The drip tray does have the dimple for drilling and frame rails under the tray are pre-drilled for collection cup mounting. I 100% agree with preference for the kit coming with bottomless over single spout. That's something we are pushing manufacturers to do. Marc
Bought this Machine a few months ago and it's absolutely amazing ! Happy that I got this one over the Rocket Chronometro R. The finishes are beautiful !
Hi Mark, watched sooo many of your and Todd’s videos. It’s between ecm tech v and Profitec 500. Since we alternate between homes in 4 week intervals concern of jamming of rotary pump. Some folks indicate this may happen with rotary if go without being used due to evaporation. We won’t plumb initially but could do depending on use. Plumbing ability isn’t a deal breaker. Also worry that if plumb machine and gone for 4 weeks or so. Like ecm for nicer build. Also rotary more expensive to replace than vibe.
Hi SB, ECM is a nicer build quality - beautiful machine! Not sure where you're coming across rotary pump jamming issues. I've been working with both vibration and rotary pump machines for more than a decade and never had that issue. Very unlikely you'd ever have to replace a rotary pump in a home use machine. They have higher reliability than vibration pumps. Marc
Marc, superb job as always. You guys continually up your game and are really embracing a comprehensive, digital strategy and really owning the coffee/espresso machine space. Well done! Customer for almost 20 years and am ready my next next machine. I'm torn between the ECM Technika V Profi PID and the SS S
Hi Scott, Thanks for your patronage and your comment - we do our best and have a great team of passionate coffee pros! Decisions are tough! Technika V is a fine machine. I'd offer an opinion but not sure what the "SS" machine is you're considering. Marc
Very informative! I just want to thank you for always bringing out such informative video's. Not only informative, but also fun to watch. James Hoffman, and this channel got me into the world of espresso. So once again thank you
Hi Marc. Great review again. The information you give are really useful to make an informed choice, especially when you hesitate between two close brands (like Rocket and ECM in my case). Thanks a lot for that. And thus, I get a closer look to ECM. Could you help me to see the difference between the Technika V Profi PID and the Mechanika Smart HX ? At first sight, they look identical...
Hello.What is the minimum pressure for the water supply? The water supply that I'm planing to plumb it in will be a kinetico K-5 water filter that is supplying my refrigerator. Do I need need a dedicated water line for the coffee machine?
Hi cm, Thanks for the question. Specified pressure is fairly low. Should be under 1.5 bar equal to 22psi. Here's this from the machine's user manual: "Make sure that the fixed water connection of your machine is connected to a potable water supply having an operating pressure ranging between 0 and 1.5 bars. We recommend to use a pressure regulator and a shut-off valve in case the operating pressure exceeds 1.5 bars or frequently fluctuates." Here's a link to the Technika V user manual for more info: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/4404388430099/ECM_Technika_V_Profi_PID_User_Manual.pdf Hope that helps! Marc
Hi, Marc. First of all, thank you for your detailed reviews; Whole Latte Love is the one site I always come back to for all-things espresso. I am torn between not two, but four espresso machine options. Could you offer some of your valuable insight? The machines are: the Profitec Pro 500, the Profitec Pro 600 (although I don’t really need the double boiler, since I make two cappuccinos a day and I never pull a espresso and steam at the same time, but I don’t know if there is another advantage to having a DB); the ECM Technica (as with the Profitec 500, I would love to have a steam boiler gauge though and round knobs, but I also hear it has killer reviews); or the Rocket Mozzafiato (again another question rises: Rotatory or vibration. I am aware the former makes less noise than the latter, but although I have soft water in my area I can’t install a BWT filter system in my kitchen due to space limitations. So, if I connect it to the main water supply without any filer, would the rotary pump still be worth it? (aside from being more quieter and eliminating the need to refill the tank, of course). Thank you in advance and please do keep posting those great reviews!
Hi j, You are welcome for the videos and thanks for the kind comment! I'd take the dual boilers out of the mix - kinda sound like you have. To be clear you can brew and steam simultaneously on any of the the machines on your list should you want to. Advantage of dual boilers machines are individual control of brew and steam boiler temps, plumbability and smooth rotary pumps. Unless you love the look of the Rocket I'd take it off the list. If going rotary HX up close to the exterior and under the hood the Techinka is a finer machine. If you don't need to plumb then the Pro 500 is the way to go. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for the prompt reply. Yeah, I've just realized it was kind of obvious the dual boilers were out of the equation. You're also right, I was considering the Mozzafiato for the looks. I know the ECM is a finer machine under the hood and it will probably be the one that I go with but my main concern are those joysticks instead of the knobs. A question of preference, I suppose.
Nice review Marc.. Just bought this machine and I am very happy ! If you don't mind, can you show us how to open the side & back of the case ? I just thinking if I can wrap it with different color. Thank you
Hi q, Thanks for the comment and question. There are 2 screws underneath the machine on each panel. Before you remove those there are 4 screws on the top of the machine, 2 exposed toward the front and 2 underneath the reservoir lid. Take those out then loosen the screw underneath. Inside the machine are a couple of screws holding the panels to the frame. Fairly easy. Marc
I don’t get it - How can you forgo the cooling flush? Even with a pid, after a while you’ll still have overheated water in the HX, which you do not want to go through your coffee. How does the machine get rid of it? Please explain.
Hi Ye, Thanks for the question. With PID control boiler is held at a very constant temp. Much more stable than HX machines using a pressurestat to control boiler temps. The PID stability combined with proper engineering of the E61 thermosiphon loop produces accurate and predictable brew temps. The E61 thermopsiphon dumps heat to the E61 group which acts as a heat sink and reduces temps in the HX section of the boiler. For this to work well the portafilter should be kept in the group when not in use. Not only is that SOP with espresso machines but the mass of the PF adds to the heat sink. Marc
Hi Marc, Your videos are really informative and helpful. I am deciding to either buy the profitec 500 or the ecm technika. Is there a huge difference in the extraction quality and taste of the espresso between this machines?
Hi Rakesh, Both of the machines you are considering use HX boilers and have PID temp control. Beyond aesthetics, the big difference is pump type. The Pro 500 uses a vibration pump fed by water reservoir and the Technika uses a rotary pump fed by reservoir or can be plumbed direct to waterline. For espresso quality and taste, no huge difference. Rotary pumps are quieter, come up to pressure faster and can flow brew water at a slightly higher rate than vibration pumps. There may be a slight benefit to a rotary pump if always using a darker roasts. Marc
How long until the boiler pressure rises again during steaming? There is a gap in the video just around 9:01, where the needle is both at .75 bar and 1 bar (approx). How long was that gap? - I seem to be blowing steam 'forever', but the steam pressure remains at .75 (at the factory temperature setting of 120ºC)
Hi AR, Thanks for the question. I believe my PID was set to higher temp than factory preset which allowed boiler pressure to rise after initial drop when steaming. Even at .75 bar continuous you should have plenty of power for steaming milk. Many competing machines will drop to .5 bar or below when steam is left on continuously. Boiler should recover to full pressure well before it's possible to have more milk prepped in a pitcher for another round of steaming. Marc
Do you have a link for the BWT filter and pressure gauge? and can the pressure regulator be used with other filters such as 3M and how long do the filters last before replacement?
Hi E, Here's link to filter and pressure gauge: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package-w-besthead-flex Filter capacity depends on the hardness of water being treated. For relatively soft water with total hardness of 4 German degrees (72ppm total hardness) the filter is good for 1,875 liters. At 13 degrees/232ppm capacity is 520 liters. For very hard water at 21 degrees/375ppm capacity is 290 liters. Marc
Hi 2969, Total height with the reservoir lid open is 19.5"/49.35CM. Of course if you plumb the machine in you will not need to access the water reservoir on a regular basis! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Marc! I already ordered this beauty - assumed that total height would be under 50 cm. Pfiuuu, your answer was a relief :D Keep on making these great and informative videos! Best regards from hot and sunny Helsinki, Finland
Hi u, You are welcome and thanks for the question. Yes it is a no-burn wand. That and more details here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-technika-v-profi-pid#product-specs Marc
Hi Marc, thanks for your great video. I have just purchased the Technika v in NZ. The manual with it recommended 124 degree C . It says if set lower, there will not be enough pressure to steam milk? I see yours is set to 120 C, should i go back to that which is the factory setting? When I lift the handle to pull a shot there is an initial extraction at 1-2 seconds into my cup before the pump kicks in and extraction is continous from 5-6 seconds. Have you come across this before. My barista sister has run a number of shots through it and gets the same occurence. I'm wondering whether when I first set it up i didn't run enough water through the grouphead once the boiler had filled and maybe there is some air in there? If this may be causing it is there a way to get rid of this? Any other ideas? Many thanks for any guidance Daniel
Hi Daniel, You are welcome for the video! Yes, I'm set at 120C/248F. I picked my boiler temperature based on my desired brew temp as referenced in the manual at ~6 minutes in the video. At that setting the machine is definitely making steam as it's well above boiling point of 100C/212F and there's plenty of steaming power. I don't have a manual handy for the machine, but must have missed any mention of not enough steaming power below 120C. Keep in mind changing your boiler temp in an HX boiler machine will change your brew temp as well. At 124C boiler temp setting you'll be brewing at 96.2C/205F which is right at the upper limit of espresso brewing temps. You will have more steaming power at the higher temp. If running that hot you'll want to do a cooling flush from the group to reduce the brew temp right before pulling a shot. I doubt there is air trapped in the group. Your initial extraction at 1-2 seconds is likely from overheated water causing excess pressure in brew water section of the boiler. Especially if running at 124C. Lifting the lever releases pressure in the boiler and causes flash boiling. That produces a burst of steam with a bit of pressure behind it onto the coffee. You can fix by doing a cooling flush from the group right before the extraction. Without the PF in place lift the lever and let water flow until the flow becomes smooth. Should only take a few seconds for flow to even out with less bubbles and steam. Then pull your shot. Your other option is to run the boiler cooler. At 120C you will not need the cooling flush unless the machine has been on and idle for an extended period. At 120C your brew temp will be right in the middle of the brewing range of 90.5 - 96C. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Chad! Thanks for the question. If sitting on and unused for hours I would do a cooling flush. But depends on ambient temps. If running in a cool environment maybe not much needed. Benefit of dual boiler is independent control of boiler temperatures. Can run the steam boiler much hotter in a dual boiler for more steam pressure resulting in better frothing performance. The ECM Synchronika, Profitec Pro 700 and Profitec Pro 600 dual boiler machines all run at about 2 bar max pressure in the steam boiler. Much higher than the Technika. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison including measurements of the Technika and the DB machines listed above: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MjIyMzc0MzUzMzExMCwxNTQ1OTkwODY0OTU1LDY3ODg4NTg2NzUyNTQsNDI5NDMwOTM0NzM4Mg Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Purchased from WLL today. Mary-Ann and Mark (in sales) are excellent. I have called a few times over the last couple years, always helpful. Watched your videos on many products, many times. I wanted a Synchronika, but I could only fit the Pro 700 or Technika height. In the end, I sacrificed the marginally more stable brew temps and the 2x steam power of the 700 for the ECM touch points and to generally look its expense. I am 75% confident in my decision. I recommend Portland location (pls excuse the rampant homelessness/litter/graffiti), so I can be more confident next time. 🤓 Thanks for your response.
Hi Marc The coffee filter baskets only take 7gr coffee single / 14 gram double , in a lot of other machines for example the rocket which is a standard 18 gram of coffee Is this an issue with getting enough coffee out ? Cheers
Hi Paul, Thanks for the comment. The ECM stock double basket has the capacity for ~18g. Not sure where you're getting 14g unless you're stating traditional dose levels in Italy. Outside Italian espresso bars most are dosing 17-19g for doubles. If you need more capacity aftermarket precision filters baskets are available in a range of sizes up to 22g: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/portafilters-and-filter-baskets Marc
Not needing to do a cooling flush is great, but I'm still not quite sure why you dont need one in this machine if you do need one in another PID HX machine with E61. I definitely needed to do cooling flushes in my PID E61 HX machine, what about their design made that unnecessary with this machine? Thanks :)
Hi Ron, Thanks for the comment and question. Variables like your boiler temp setting, ambient temp and idle time may change the need for a cooling flush. If you run this machine for a brew temp of ~199F typically do not need a flush unless machine has been on and idle for an extended period. A major factor is design of the thermosiphon system flow restriction. With the thermosiphon flow rate properly controlled the group bleeds off enough heat so brew water is at proper temp without a flush.
Hi FM, Thanks for the question. Either machine can do drinks for 5-6 people. Advantages of the Profi PID: Rotary pump, plumbable to water line and nicer finish quality and details. Pro 600 is vibration pump, non-plumbable but has best in class steaming power. Faster at milk frothing if you have the skills to make use of the power. If plumbing machine to waterline is a possibility I'd go with the Profi as I hate filling reservoirs and like in line water filtration to eliminate need to descale. If plumbing is not an option I'd go with the Pro 600. Boiler temps are independently controllable so you can change steam pressure/temp without affecting brew temp. Hope that helps! Marc
Can't decide between this ECM Technika V or the Rocket Giotto/Mozzafiato R. From a few reviews I have seen the Rockets steam a little faster but the ECM's have a few nicer touches. Both look great, why is this so hard? lol.
Hi Michael, Tough decisions! If you are going to plumb either just know the Rocket machines cannot do line pressure pre-infusion like ECM's plumbed machines. I have not done steaming tests comparing the Technika V to the Rocket machines but they should be fairly close. If you want a real bump in steaming performance have a look at the dual boiler ECM Synchronika which can run at about 2 bar in the steam boiler while the others run at ~1.4 max pressure. Very similar machine to the Technika with the joystick lever valves and you can set the steam pressure/temp to whatever you like without the brew temp changing. When you change temperature to adjust steam pressure in machines with heat exchange boilers you are also changing the brew temperature. Marc
Hey mark I just bought the ECMTechnike V profi espresso machine with the BWT bestmax with the pressure gauge and I see you setting the pressure gauge on 2 bar but the ECM uses 9 bar for the boiler how does it get from 2 bar inlet to 9 bar in the boiler thanks 9/20/2023
Hey MEGA, congrats on the new machine! And, you're doing it right with the Bestmax. 2 bar pressure on the line into the machine provides sufficient water flow rate. ECM actually recommends 1.5 bar in the manual. I understand how 1.5 - 2 bar getting to 9 is a little confusing, but it's all about the flow rate. The pump in the machine increases the pressure. The flow rate into the machine, even at 1.5 bar is more than sufficient to provide a flow rate at the group of greater than 11 grams per second which is the typical flow rate of rotary pump machines. Hope that helps! Marc
That's a beautiful machine. And a great review too - thanks. Here in NZ, it's priced within a couple of hundred dollars of the Profitec Pro 600 which makes for an interesting choice: HX, rotary, plumbable or dual boiler / vibe pump / tank only! Which would you go for?
Hi AT, Thank you for the kind comment and question. I'd likely go with the Technika. I hate filling reservoirs and prefer a rotary pump machines. Technika has more detail in the finish quality. IMO only reason you might consider the Pro 600 is if you're willing to give up plumbable rotary for higher steam power. Pro 600 has best in class with ~2 bar. Marc
Hello, is this machine a home use machine or a profesional use machine? I’m looking for a budget friendly profesional expresso machine for a coffee shop project
Hello Marc. that test you did with the towel on the E61 group head on the Technika, if you do that test on the Synchronika, Pro 700 or R58 would you have the same result? Regarding the influence of the outside temperature on the group head, since it is an HX and the ones I mention are Dual Boiler.
Hi FM, Thanks for the question. I suspect one would have similar results on the Pro 700 and R58 but I have not tested. Like HX mchines, dual boilers run the brew boiler hotter than brew temp delivered. The difference is less than in HX machine. Marc
Would you say this machine is pretty identical mechanically to the profitec pro 500 pid, other than pump type? Struggling with brew temps on my new machine and am finding a lot of differing info on PID temp settings and recommendations. Initially you guys recommended the 248 for 200 degree brew temp, then on another video you mentioned targeting a temp about 4 degrees higher than what’s recommended. Clive has testing correlating 258 degrees with 200 degree brew water. Very difficult as a consumer without a reliable baseline.
Hi Manderson, From your comment it's not clear if you are using a Pro 500 or Technika but assuming a Pro 500. From Profitec here are their recommended boiler temp settings to get specific brew temps: Excuse the decimals as temps are converted from Celsius 240.8 = 193.8 242.6 = 194.7 244.4 = 195.6 246.2 = 198.1 248 = 200.1 249.8 = 201 251.6 = 202.6 253.4 = 203.9 255.2 = 205.2 Keep in mind that ambient temps and other variables can affect actual brew temp. Things like the machine being on and idle for long periods and leaving the PF in place in the group (you should) when idle will change brew temps. I'm guessing if you set the PID to 258 you'd likely get some flash boiling out of the group if the machine is fully warmed up and idle for a bit. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc! Thanks for the reply. I recently purchased the Technika from you guys, I was just referring to the PP 500 as it seems like information is easier to come by. I am noticing some “gurgling” after item at the group at anything over 250, with it lasting longer the higher I go. I guess I was just wondering if there was any updated guidance on PID temp’s based on testing, and if I could go off of recommendations for the 500 due to similarities in design.
"On competing machines you're likely to see unfinished edges or spot welds, you won't see that on the ECM machines", there's two spot welds on the return of the drip tray in plain sight on the video (3:04) but great review all the same, thank's 👍
Hi Harvey, Thanks for the comment. Yes there are spot welds near the top edge of the tray. They are far more finished than in other machines. I see plenty with raw spot welds low in the corners of drip trays of other machines. Marc
Hi Mark. I just received this machine and it is beyond beautiful! It took me about two months and lots of your videos to decide on ECM over Rocket. I love the ease of toggles over turn knobs. By the way, your videos are excellent. One question, what time are you looking for when pulling a double shot?
Hi gary, Happy to help and thanks for taking a moment to let me know I did and the kind comment in regards to the videos. When making espresso timing is generally the same for singles, doubles, triples. Keep in mind timing is the most basic method of determining grind size. It's as far as many will go. But, if you want to go next try brew ratios - I have a bunch of videos! Marc
Hi Marc! Comparing this machine with and the profitec pro 500 is it worth paying more for this ECM Profi? I do not plan to connect the machine to the plumbing at this time but maybe in a few years. does the pro 500 have the same performance?
Hi Francisco, Thanks for the question. The Pro 500 has similar performance and uses essentially the same boiler. Here's a link to a side by side spec comaprison of the machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk5MzY1MDIzNSwyMjIzNzQzNTMzMTEw Major differences between the machines: Technika uses rotary pump, has lever valves, higher mounted gauges, angled portafilter, extra finishing details and is plumbable. Some debate over differences between vibration pump and rotary pump extractions. Some prefer higher flow rate of rotary pumps while others think the slightly slower initial pressure rise of vibration pumps can be beneficial. I don't have any data as judgements on that very subjective. "Worth paying more" is a matter of personal preference. I hate filling reservoirs so plumbing is important to me. I prefer sound of rotary pump to vibration pump. I can rationalize the higher price given probable length of ownership. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi CM, Thanks for the question. The Technika V does not come with a drip tray drain. The drip tray is not drilled but does have a dimple in the tray where it would need to be drilled. I don't have a pdf of the Technika parts diagram. But, I do have one for the ECM Synchronika: wiki.wholelattelove.com/images/3/3a/Synchronika_Parts_Diagram.pdf Technica parts are identical. Parts needed for a complete drain install (minus the hose) are shown in drawing 1/table 1. They are in position 7, 8, 25, 26 and 27. Part numbers are in the pdf. FYI - The frame of the Technika is pre-drilled for mounting of the drainage pan (27) which sits under the drip tray. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage This information is so valuable that it should be included in the product description on your website! Thus far reps are telling me only the Rocket R machines can be plumb drained, but clearly they are misinformed. I am now leaning toward purchasing the Technika V. Would you happen to know where one could order the parts you refer to with a view to plumbing the drain? My web searches thus far have been inconclusive. Thank you so much!
Thanks for the amazing reviews and videos in general guys! I am so confused as to whether to get this, the Bezzera Mitica TOP PID or the Rocket Cincrono Evoluzione R
Hi neil, You are welcome and thanks for your kind comment. All 3 machines are very good so I understand the confusion! IMO the ECM Technika V stands out in overall quality and detail. I prefer it's angled PF, extra touch with side angle of E61 group, extended functions available through a well integrated PID and gauges up high for easy visibility. Marc
Whole Latte Love guys! I bought this one! You’re right I think it the best of the bunch, that and my wife decided she preferred the look, so then it was done! Haha getting used to it and have a breville pro grinder but feel I’m going to need a sette 270wi or one of the eureka ones!
Thank you for this outstanding review! The Profi Pid V or the Synchronika will be my next coffee machine. Question to you Marc: the Synchronika will have a longer heating up time, correct? I guess more then 25 minutes? I think the +300€ (in Germany) will be worth it. What is your opinion? Is there a real reason to don’t upgrade to a dual boiler? A comparison between both and the pro and cons would be amazing. 😊 you’re doing an amazing job!
Hi Marco, You are welcome and thank you for the comment and question. Heat up time on the Synchronika will be longer by about 10 minutes. I like about 35 minutes on large dual boiler like the Synchronika. You can turn off the steam boiler on the Synchronika and get faster heat up if you don't need steam or hot water. The main differences between the machines: HX vs. dual boiler, Synchronika is easiest machine to open up - less than a minute to have all the panels off, Synchronika comes ready to add a drain line, Synchronika has best in class steaming power with the service boiler able to run ~2 bar. Max pressure in the Technika is ~1.1 bar. Both machines can do line pressure pre-infusion. In US Synchronika is available with flow control of E61 group pre-installed. Hope that helps! Marc
Whole Latte Love: thank you, Marc! Does that mean Flow Control is not supported/available for the Technika V Profi PID? I also think 1,1 bar should be more then enough to steam good milk. I’m not sure if someone really needs 2bar? Of course it is great :) 👍🏻
Hi Bill, Thanks for the question. We are not selling with the flow control installed. But if purchased from us we can sell flow control upgrades to customers who have purchased ECM and Profitec machines. Do check with our customer support if you'd like to do that. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Awesome. Thanks Marc. Love your videos. I like the rest of your subscribers am an espresso nut. I have a super automatic now but am itching to get a semi automatic once this one goes on the fritz per my wife. Doing a ton of research for that day and only want to hopefully buy once. I am hoping to purchase from Wholelattelove. Have an amazing day! Bill
Hello Marc, terrific videos! I’m currently researching my first machine and am bouncing around between the Bezzera BZ13 DE, Bezzera Magica PID, ECM Synchronika w/ flow control and this unit. Can you also install flow control on the Technika?
Hi OM, Thanks for the comment. The Synchronika with flow control is the best of the bunch if you can swing it. While the flow control can be installed and work on the Technika we do not offer it that way. Marc
Great review Mark and thanks - is there anything here that’s better than the Profitec 500PID or is this more about styling of the machines ? They both look similar and I know that ECM own profitec so curious to know which machine would you buy ?
Hi TJ, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and questions. ECM has more detail and higher level finish quality. Some other things it has the Pro 500 does not: Rotary pump, plumb to waterline, visible PID controller w/shot timer, lever operated valves, angled portafilters, real tamper included, ECO mode, backflush reminder, gauges up high. If given the choice, I'd go with the ECM Technika V. While I love the Pro 500, I hate filling reservoirs, I appreciate angled PFs and I do not mind visible PID displays. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc - this looks to be an updated version from the profitec with the shot timer etc , I’d like to see and touch both but right now that’s not so easy to do. I don’t think I’d regret buying either machine ! Thanks again
you guys make crazy detailled reviews - thx for that Edit: so it is possible to steam and pull a shot at the same time?! What would be more appropriate or better for the brew pressure: pull shot an steam or vice versa? i'm considering buying a synchronika or this one (we pull 4 milk drinks per day and then only espresso). Thanks in advance
Hi m, Thanks for the kind comment and question. We do our best to be thorough! I can't stand inaccurate and glossy reviews whose sole purpose is affiliate links. We aim to educate! Both the Technika V and Synchronika can brew and steam at the same time. No effect on brew pressure when steaming. Big difference between the machines is boiler type. Dual boiler in the Synchronika and heat-exchange boiler in the Technika V. In dual boiler machine one can control steam pressure (the in boiler temp) for frothing without without effecting brew temps. The Synchronika has best in class steaming power - up to about 2 bar of pressure in the boiler. You need to have your frothing technique down to take advantage of all that pressure. But you can turn down the steam temp in the Synchronika if needed while learning. Marc
Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment! As long as no delays at ports, then we should have them on / around June 4th.. due to Memorial day I hope there is no delays. Marc
Hi Chen, Thanks for your patronage! The Eureka Silenzio is capable of serving the Technika. If you have not watched already here's a video featuring the full lineup of espresso focused Eureka Mignon grinders including the Silenzio: ruclips.net/video/wfhaD9OPqd8/видео.html The Silenzio and some of the other Mignon grinders come in a variety of colors if that's important to you. The Silenzio use a 50mm burr. Some of the other Mignon grinders in the video step up to a 55mm burr. Bigger burrs generally produce a better grind quality and grind faster. You might also consider the Ceado E6P. More info and videos on that grinder here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e6p-electronic-dosing-grinder-v2 The Ceado E6P features 64mm burrs and a beautiful fluffy grind distribution. While the Eureka grinds are built very well, Ceado grinders up the quality a bit with higher quality machining. Hope that helps and congrats on your new machine! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for taking the time to reply. I think the Eureka design will fit in with the kitchen better. The Eureka Mignon XL was released not long ago with the bigger burr. Any idea when you guys will start carrying that ?
Hi Marc Beautiful looking machine! It's one I'm at looking at but I'm concerned about the steam pressure. Having looked through reports from people who use the Technika there are lots of questions about weak steam pressure. Even just comparing videos of say the Technika and Bezzera's machines (which I'm also looking at), the Technika just doesn't look like it performs nearly as well. What is your opinion? Thank you David
Hi David, Thanks for the comment and question. She is a beauty and the brew temp accuracy is very impressive. The Technika V comes with a 2 hole steam tip which I consider balanced meaning you can turn the steam on and after a short initial drop in boiler pressure it will climb back up and the pressure will hold indefinetly. What a user wants in steam power is a personal preference. I find those newer to frothing prefer less power as they'll have more time to work the milk while users with more experience/skill prefer more. Then there's the mindset that more of anything is always better. For those desiring more vigorous steam switching out to a 4 hole tip is the way to go. You will steam much faster. Of course boiler pressure drops quicker but still plenty to get the job done. It's a conservation of energy kind of thing... Up the number of holes (or size of holes) in the tip and you'll get to finished temp faster using the same energy stored in the boiler. Just gotta have the skill to handle the speed. Marc
Hey Marc, thank you for the great video! I want to ask if ECM provide the machine in other colors like white? If not, is there a safe way to paint the machine?
Painting polished stainless is not easy, as you would first have to destroy the polish you have just paid for. Paint will not adhere to the shiny surface. Maybe check out people who have wrapped their machines with automotive vinyl wrap; there is some info online on this if you search.
Hi Marc! excellent review, one question. between the Profitec Pro 600 and the Technika Profi PID which would be better for the price? what I see that in the pro 600 you sacrifice the rotary pump, direct water connection and the aesthetics of the Technika for stability in temperature and steam power (however it is a machine with excellent finishes) and in the Technika you sacrifice the stability of a dual boiler and steam power for beauty and a rotary pump. I want to know if I'm right
Hi FM, Thanks for the kind comment and question. You are right although I find temperature stability of brew water similar between the machines! Pro 600 does have best in class steaming power - if you want to make use of that you need the frothing skills to do so. Big steam power means frothing mistakes happen fast and there's little time to correct. Of course on the Pro 600 you can turn down service boiler temp/pressure to match your skill. On the Technika you'll have decent steam power and time to work the milk. If you want more power down the road you can switch out to a steam tip with larger or more holes for faster steaming. Marc
Hi Marc from Athens Greece. I am a new buyer of this machine and i want to plumb it direct to my house water supply. According to ECM manual the pressure should be 0-1.5 bar. I saw your video and i think the gauge was above 2 bars. What is your oppinion? 1,5 bar is enough for preinfusion?? Thanks in advance
Hi GA, Thanks for the question. 1.5 bar is sufficient for pre-infusion. That said, I do run my pressure regulator at 2-3 bar. Manufacturers tend to be a bit conservative. The machine is open to line pressure at all times so I do recommend a shut-off valve if you will be away. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the response. So you think the 2 bar pressure will not damage the machine. You recomend to shut off the valve every day when i go out? Or only if i will leave home for a long time e.g for weekend or holidays??
Hi Marc, ever since switching over to a Technika V a few weeks ago (from a Sunbeam EM7000), I have now lost the ability to steam milk! I'm steaming around 5oz in a 12oz pitcher; I never had any problems making smooth silky microfoam with the Sunbeam, but now with the ECM all I seem to create is large coarse bubbles.. I've tried putting the steam wand straight down, along the side, creating a whirlpool, various other positions; however am not having any success. Would you have any tips for me? Thanks!
Hi 0, It's all about tip position relative to the surface of the milk when you start steaming and when to make a move a little lower. Here's the best video on frothing with some graphics and multi-camera angles which demonstrate the technique: ruclips.net/video/4PSCsv7kcKA/видео.html Marc
Hi MC, Of the 3 machines the ECM has the best overall build quality IMO. Steaming performance is similar for these machines. As they are HX the boilers tend to operate at lower pressures than dual boiler machines. If you have excellent frothing skills you could be wanting more pressure. On the other hand less pressure gives you more time to work the milk. If you want more vigorous steam from an HX machine you can switch out to a steam tip with larger or more holes. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you very much, may I ask what’s the steaming pressure for EMC technika V? I know R58 around 1.4 bar, and EMC synchronika is around 2 bar.
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, I’m looking between Technika V and synchronika. But I’ve heard about ECM synchronika steam is strong but wet and very hard to get nice foam, could you please recommend one machine have best steam performance?Thanks😄
Hi Marc, I've had this machine for about five months. It delivers greats shots, however I now have a very stange noise occurring when the machine is building pressure for the shot. It's almost like something is vibrating as the pressure builds up. I have sent it back to my supplier, but it still makes the noise. This doesn't happen when just running water or using a blind portafilter for cleaning. Any ideas?
Hi simon, Thanks for the question. Odd that you only get the sound when pulling a shot and not when there's a blind basket installed. Most vibration noises come from internal pipe knocking on a case panel or something similar. Common fix is taking machine panels off to identify noise source and bending a component like pipe etc to stop the vibration. Marc
Hey Marc; I have a three year old ECM Technika IV Profi. (direct plumbed) It is used all day, every day, with not a single problem (that wasn't operator error). It's a fabulous machine with quality that holds up over the years. I would emphasize the real beauty of an HX machine that it gives you fresh, flash heated brew water instead of hot water that has been sitting around in the boiler. Mine has a pressure stat. which holds boiler pressure quite steady but as mentioned; factors like ambient temps, shot frequency, steaming , etc. affect brew temps so finer adjustment would be nice to have. I have retrofitted an E61 machine with PID before and wonder, in your opinion, how practical it would be to add a PID to my Technika IV?
Hi Michael, Thanks for sharing your experience with your Technika IV. Good point on the fresh water in HX machine! I honestly do not know how practical installing a PID retrofit into a Pstat machine would be. It's not something I recommend as it can be very dangerous. Boilers can explode, injuries could happen and of course manufacturers will not support. That said, I know there is a community of machine modder/hackers out there who enjoy tinkering, etc. At the very least you'd need a Scace to asses the brew temps after adding a PID. Machine was designed knowing the boiler temp is going to swing a bunch under Pstat control. If you've retrofitted other E61s you know the in boiler temp is quite different than what you get at the group so you've got to figure out things like PID offsets and flow restrictors in the thermosiphon loop. Practical... perhaps not. Interesting, fun and challenging for someone with the right skills and knowledge maybe. Also know it could be dangerous! Marc
Hi Marc, since this is a HX machine I can descale it myself if I ever have to can't I? It will be about three years before I can plum it. I know you have to get double boilers professionally descaled and I wouldn't have a clue where to find a technician for that in Raleigh NC (I've even googled it for research as to which machine boiler type would be best to get) Also coming from a Breville Barista Express, how much better is the steaming power? (Don't laugh at my machine it was awesome for learning espresso on, but I'm going to upgrade now) Also I'm very tempted by the Pro600 and if there's no consumer advantage to having a HX machine I will have a very tough choice. I make around 2-4 espressos a day. Oh one more question. For prosumer level machines do you recommend backflushing with water on a daily basis? I know to backflush with powder/tablet every 100 shots or so. Thanks
Hi Simone, Thanks for the questions! Know I would never laugh at anyone's machine!!! Yes you can descale an HX machine yourself. We have this video showing you how to do that: ruclips.net/video/yEGfyJkWSqU/видео.html One thing I highly recommend is using water that'll prevent scale in the first place. You want some minerals in the water to support good flavor, prevent over-extraction and protect your equipment. Do no use mineral free water like distilled or zero TDS reverse osmosis water. BWT has excellent water treatment options which use patented ion-exchange technology to replace most of the scale causing calcium with magnesium. Used as directed their filtering options prevent scale in espresso machines. Their Bestsave in-reservoir pad filters are easy to use relatively inexpensive and perfect for someone doing 2-4 shots a day: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-s-anti-scale-filter The BWT Penguin Pitcher uses the same technology, filters faster and makes great tasting drinking water as well: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-penguin-2-7-l-water-pitcher Steaming power on prosumer level semi-auto machines is much better than what you get on a product like the Barista Express which uses a thermoblock boiler to make steam. It'll be night and day! The Pro 600 is a good choice for your use level. It'll heat up a bit faster than the Technika and with dual boilers you'll have tighter control of brew temps and can adjust steaming pressure without affecting brew temp. It also has even more initial steaming power than the Technika running at close to 2 bar if desired. That 2 bar is as high as it gets in prosumer level machines. Just be aware the Pro 600 is not plumbable and uses a vibration pump. Backflushing with water daily and using a product like Cafiza every week or two is good at your use level. Over doing backflushing with a cleaning product may lead to squeaking of internal group components as it keeps things too clean - kinda want a lite coating of coffee oils on internal components to lubricate and reduce friction. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Marc, excellent video and the quality of ECM is amazing! If I want to order the Mechanika V Slim, can I customize it with wood finishes too? or at least the portafilter?
Hi Francisco, Thanks for the comment on the video and I agree on the ECM quality! We hope to have upgrade kits available in the future. Personally I'd wait for ECM PF but this bottomless Bezzera PF will fit ECM E61 groups and is available now: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/portafilters-and-filter-baskets/products/bezzera-bottomless-portafilter-for-matrix-and-duo-mn Marc
Hi mk, Thanks for the question. Flow control will work on this machine. Problem is demand for the device has outpaced supply due to popularity and pandemic related production limitations. Hopefully supply will improve! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc, do you guys sell those machines which used for demonstration? I changed my mind and instead of technica I am looking for a syncronica
You are welcome! Either the ECM Classika PID with flow control (high-end): www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control Or the ECM Casa V (mid-range): www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-casav-semi-automatic-espresso-machine Hope that helps! Marc
Hi N, Thanks for the comment. I'd love to narrate audio books. I'm currently listening to Capsized. It's the true story of 4 guys who spent 119 days drifting in the South Pacific on an overturned trimaran and survived. Keep thinking I could do it better than the guy I'm listening to. Marc
Hi PB, Thanks for the comment and question. I was using one of my favorite classic Italian style bean blends Maromas Orphea: www.wholelattelove.com/products/maromas-orphea-whole-bean-espresso It's one of our top sellers and best reviewed coffees in that variety! Marc
Hi Sam, If big brother is the Synchronika then yes you can! Technika uses a a heat exchange boiler so turning up boiler temp for more steam pressure also increases the brew temperature. Synchronika has separate boilers for steam and brew so turning up steam boiler temp has no affect on brew temps. Max steam pressure on the ECM Synchronika is ~2 bar and that's bets in class! Marc
Thanks for this amazing review. Do you know how many grams espresso fit into the basket for two espresso? ECM claims 14 grams which seems to be a bit low as maximum.
Hi Ralph, You are welcome! In my experience, ECM stock double baskets have a capacity of 16-18g. Capacity depends on coffee used. Lighter roasts tend to be denser. Marc
Hi BF, Thanks for the comment. Who said PID means nothing in HX boilers? I've Scaced a bunch of PID and non-PID HX machines from various manufacturers and it makes a huge difference in brew temp consistency. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Well you know the argument that without accurate brewhead temp with something like Eric's thermometer you're shooting in the dark temperature surfing even with a PID, but this added convective thermosyphon is a game changer. Are there any other single boiler HX's you're aware of with that same feature?
Mark, thanks for another wonderful review. I am limited to a tank installation, so my question is about pre-infusion. From what I understand pre-infustion is basically a dribble with a tank setup in the ECM Technika, so very little is done. Is pre-infusion so important that I should look at a vibratory pump that gives some pre-infusion through the longer build-up of pressure. My alternative here is the Profitec 600.
Hi Edward, You are welcome and thank you for the kind comment and excellent question. Yes, if running from the reservoir of the Technika pre-infusion is a dribble with no real pressure behind it. I regard it as pre-wetting rather than pre-infusion. It may help to reduce channeling and have a slight increase in the depth of extraction but it is not at all comparable to true pre-infusion with some pressure behind it. A very common and productive use of long low flow/pressure pre-infusion is to tame the excessive brightness one typically gets from fresh from roast specialty coffees. If using high-end, single origin, lighter roast coffees it makes a huge difference. If doing more classic Italian style blends then true pre-infusion doesn't buy you much. If you want true flexibility and are considering the Pro 600 get it with flow control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-600-dual-boiler-espresso-machine-with-flow-control With flow control on the 600 you can run the machine normally or choose to do those long low flow pre-infusions or other flow profiles that can help improve classic bean blends. Hope that helps! Marc
Hello Marc, i want to open a small coffee shop and wondering if the Ecm Technika V or Profitec Pro 700 could pull more back to back shots in a row. Is there another Machine in this price range that could pull more shots with good quality, rotary pump, water tank?
Hi TND, Neither machine is commercially rated. That said, The Pro 700 would do much better as it's a dual boiler machine so steaming has no impact on brew temps. But with high volume repeated use brew temps might rise a bit as the group head warms. Marc
Great video Marc, still struggling to pick a domestic machine for my home. Thank you so much for confusing me again😂😂. Kind regards from Scotland, Johnny
Hi Benz, Thanks for the question. I'm partial to ECM for overall quality and detail. That said, many like the more in your face branding of Rocket machines. Depends on what is more important to you. Marc
Hey pep, Happy to inform ECM/Profitec did have a manufacturing facility near Milan in Italy where they produced many of their products when I visited in 2018. Here's my full video shot within that facility - enjoy! ruclips.net/video/K0RI5rdz4Ww/видео.html Marc
Hey rT, Blank PID is an indication the machine there is not water in the reservoir. Check that the float in the bottom corner of the reservoir is in place and operating properly. Sometimes they get jammed. Here's a link to a video showing you what to check. Video is on a different machine but uses the same reservoir: ruclips.net/video/xcze59LUg9E/видео.html Marc
Hi Mark, I purchased this machine a bit over a year ago after watching a number of reviews and comparison videos (including many of yours!). This full review video goes into more detail and I 100% agree with you. I have zero regrets about buying this machine and love using it every day. Cheers, Andrew
Hi Andrew, Thanks for watching and for the feedback. We do our best to include as much info as possible in the videos! As is the case ECM products in general the Technika stands out from the rest in quality workmanship.
Marc
Thanks Mark, great review. I have been using this machine for about 3-6 milk drinks daily for about a year now. It's never skipped a beat, and I've never regretted a cent I spent on it. Its easily handled up to 10 back to back milk drinks for families and friends. Only problems/gripes are: the 2 hole steam tip is a bit weak (the 4 hole is much better), it doesn't come with the parts needed to plumb the drip tray, and the single spout portafilter would be better off as a bottomless one.
@Buysome Bitcoin yes.
Hi t, Thanks for your kind comment, sharing your experience and thoughts. Happy to hear you have no regrets! As you have found multiple back to back drinks are no problem on the Technika V. Sounds like you went to a four hole steam tip? As mentioned in the video the stock 2 hole tip is what I call balanced meaning it can steam continuously while maintaining boiler pressure. Go to a tip with more or larger holes and you'll get more initial steaming power but faster drop in boiler pressure and longer pressure recovery times. Steam tip selection is a personal preference. I know those who are newer to manual steaming often prefer a little less steam power as it gives them more time to froth while those with more experience/skill can handle more steam. I was a little surprised the drip tray is not pre-drilled and the machine does not come with a collection cup. The drip tray does have the dimple for drilling and frame rails under the tray are pre-drilled for collection cup mounting. I 100% agree with preference for the kit coming with bottomless over single spout. That's something we are pushing manufacturers to do.
Marc
Bought this Machine a few months ago and it's absolutely amazing ! Happy that I got this one over the Rocket Chronometro R.
The finishes are beautiful !
Hi KC, Thanks for sharing your experience with the Technika V. She is a beauty for sure!
Marc
Hi Mark, watched sooo many of your and Todd’s videos. It’s between ecm tech v and Profitec 500. Since we alternate between homes in 4 week intervals concern of jamming of rotary pump. Some folks indicate this may happen with rotary if go without being used due to evaporation. We won’t plumb initially but could do depending on use. Plumbing ability isn’t a deal breaker. Also worry that if plumb machine and gone for 4 weeks or so. Like ecm for nicer build. Also rotary more expensive to replace than vibe.
Hi SB, ECM is a nicer build quality - beautiful machine! Not sure where you're coming across rotary pump jamming issues. I've been working with both vibration and rotary pump machines for more than a decade and never had that issue. Very unlikely you'd ever have to replace a rotary pump in a home use machine. They have higher reliability than vibration pumps.
Marc
Hey Marc, great review...Funny, I'm watching this & no mention of how quiet the rotory pump is. Fantastic machine.
Hey M, Thanks for the comment gotta love the smooth barely there sound of a rotary pump!
Marc
Marc, superb job as always. You guys continually up your game and are really embracing a comprehensive, digital strategy and really owning the coffee/espresso machine space. Well done!
Customer for almost 20 years and am ready my next next machine. I'm torn between the ECM Technika V Profi PID and the SS
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Hi Scott, Thanks for your patronage and your comment - we do our best and have a great team of passionate coffee pros! Decisions are tough! Technika V is a fine machine. I'd offer an opinion but not sure what the "SS" machine is you're considering.
Marc
Great review from Marc, as always. Superb technical content combined with professionalism and style.
Hi Chris, Thanks for the kind comment!
Marc
Very informative! I just want to thank you for always bringing out such informative video's. Not only informative, but also fun to watch. James Hoffman, and this channel got me into the world of espresso. So once again thank you
Hi Nigel, You arer welcome and thank you for the comments!
Marc
Hi Marc. Great review again. The information you give are really useful to make an informed choice, especially when you hesitate between two close brands (like Rocket and ECM in my case). Thanks a lot for that. And thus, I get a closer look to ECM. Could you help me to see the difference between the Technika V Profi PID and the Mechanika Smart HX ? At first sight, they look identical...
Hey marc, Sure, here's my video on the ECM Mechanika Max - the smart HX: ruclips.net/video/UfEysGSVEd8/видео.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hello.What is the minimum pressure for the water supply? The water supply that I'm planing to plumb it in will be a kinetico K-5 water filter that is supplying my refrigerator. Do I need need a dedicated water line for the coffee machine?
Hi cm, Thanks for the question. Specified pressure is fairly low. Should be under 1.5 bar equal to 22psi.
Here's this from the machine's user manual:
"Make sure that the fixed water connection of your machine is connected to a potable water
supply having an operating pressure ranging between 0 and 1.5 bars. We recommend to use
a pressure regulator and a shut-off valve in case the operating pressure exceeds 1.5 bars or
frequently fluctuates."
Here's a link to the Technika V user manual for more info: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/4404388430099/ECM_Technika_V_Profi_PID_User_Manual.pdf
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you.
Hi, Marc. First of all, thank you for your detailed reviews; Whole Latte Love is the one site I always come back to for all-things espresso.
I am torn between not two, but four espresso machine options. Could you offer some of your valuable insight? The machines are: the Profitec Pro 500, the Profitec Pro 600 (although I don’t really need the double boiler, since I make two cappuccinos a day and I never pull a espresso and steam at the same time, but I don’t know if there is another advantage to having a DB); the ECM Technica (as with the Profitec 500, I would love to have a steam boiler gauge though and round knobs, but I also hear it has killer reviews); or the Rocket Mozzafiato (again another question rises: Rotatory or vibration. I am aware the former makes less noise than the latter, but although I have soft water in my area I can’t install a BWT filter system in my kitchen due to space limitations. So, if I connect it to the main water supply without any filer, would the rotary pump still be worth it? (aside from being more quieter and eliminating the need to refill the tank, of course). Thank you in advance and please do keep posting those great reviews!
Hi j, You are welcome for the videos and thanks for the kind comment! I'd take the dual boilers out of the mix - kinda sound like you have. To be clear you can brew and steam simultaneously on any of the the machines on your list should you want to. Advantage of dual boilers machines are individual control of brew and steam boiler temps, plumbability and smooth rotary pumps. Unless you love the look of the Rocket I'd take it off the list. If going rotary HX up close to the exterior and under the hood the Techinka is a finer machine. If you don't need to plumb then the Pro 500 is the way to go. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for the prompt reply. Yeah, I've just realized it was kind of obvious the dual boilers were out of the equation. You're also right, I was considering the Mozzafiato for the looks. I know the ECM is a finer machine under the hood and it will probably be the one that I go with but my main concern are those joysticks instead of the knobs. A question of preference, I suppose.
Nice review Marc.. Just bought this machine and I am very happy ! If you don't mind, can you show us how to open the side & back of the case ? I just thinking if I can wrap it with different color. Thank you
Hi q, Thanks for the comment and question. There are 2 screws underneath the machine on each panel. Before you remove those there are 4 screws on the top of the machine, 2 exposed toward the front and 2 underneath the reservoir lid. Take those out then loosen the screw underneath. Inside the machine are a couple of screws holding the panels to the frame. Fairly easy.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you very much!
I don’t get it - How can you forgo the cooling flush? Even with a pid, after a while you’ll still have overheated water in the HX, which you do not want to go through your coffee. How does the machine get rid of it? Please explain.
Hi Ye, Thanks for the question. With PID control boiler is held at a very constant temp. Much more stable than HX machines using a pressurestat to control boiler temps. The PID stability combined with proper engineering of the E61 thermosiphon loop produces accurate and predictable brew temps. The E61 thermopsiphon dumps heat to the E61 group which acts as a heat sink and reduces temps in the HX section of the boiler. For this to work well the portafilter should be kept in the group when not in use. Not only is that SOP with espresso machines but the mass of the PF adds to the heat sink.
Marc
Whole Latte Love Thanks!
Hi Marc,
Your videos are really informative and helpful.
I am deciding to either buy the profitec 500 or the ecm technika.
Is there a huge difference in the extraction quality and taste of the espresso between this machines?
Hi Rakesh, Both of the machines you are considering use HX boilers and have PID temp control. Beyond aesthetics, the big difference is pump type. The Pro 500 uses a vibration pump fed by water reservoir and the Technika uses a rotary pump fed by reservoir or can be plumbed direct to waterline. For espresso quality and taste, no huge difference. Rotary pumps are quieter, come up to pressure faster and can flow brew water at a slightly higher rate than vibration pumps. There may be a slight benefit to a rotary pump if always using a darker roasts.
Marc
How long until the boiler pressure rises again during steaming? There is a gap in the video just around 9:01, where the needle is both at .75 bar and 1 bar (approx). How long was that gap? - I seem to be blowing steam 'forever', but the steam pressure remains at .75 (at the factory temperature setting of 120ºC)
Hi AR, Thanks for the question. I believe my PID was set to higher temp than factory preset which allowed boiler pressure to rise after initial drop when steaming. Even at .75 bar continuous you should have plenty of power for steaming milk. Many competing machines will drop to .5 bar or below when steam is left on continuously. Boiler should recover to full pressure well before it's possible to have more milk prepped in a pitcher for another round of steaming.
Marc
The PID displays the temperature of the boiler. How do I calculate the temperature of the group head from that?
Hey Dark, A PID setting of 255F/124C results in a brew temp of 201F/94C
Do you have a link for the BWT filter and pressure gauge? and can the pressure regulator be used with other filters such as 3M and how long do the filters last before replacement?
Hi E, Here's link to filter and pressure gauge: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestmax-premium-filter-package-w-besthead-flex
Filter capacity depends on the hardness of water being treated. For relatively soft water with total hardness of 4 German degrees (72ppm total hardness) the filter is good for 1,875 liters. At 13 degrees/232ppm capacity is 520 liters. For very hard water at 21 degrees/375ppm capacity is 290 liters.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Yeah I have seen a 3M filter that is good for over 2000ltrs
@@Elfin4 What does it filter? Does it reduce hardness?
Hi! How much is the total height when water tank lid is open? We have to place the machine under a cabinet, and it might be a problem... Thanks!
Hi 2969, Total height with the reservoir lid open is 19.5"/49.35CM. Of course if you plumb the machine in you will not need to access the water reservoir on a regular basis!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Marc! I already ordered this beauty - assumed that total height would be under 50 cm. Pfiuuu, your answer was a relief :D Keep on making these great and informative videos! Best regards from hot and sunny Helsinki, Finland
Hey Guys. Thanks for the review! I’m just curious if the steam wand on this machine is a non burn one? Thanks a lot 😊
Hi u, You are welcome and thanks for the question. Yes it is a no-burn wand. That and more details here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-technika-v-profi-pid#product-specs
Marc
Hi Marc, thanks for your great video. I have just purchased the Technika v in NZ. The manual with it recommended 124 degree C . It says if set lower, there will not be enough pressure to steam milk? I see yours is set to 120 C, should i go back to that which is the factory setting?
When I lift the handle to pull a shot there is an initial extraction at 1-2 seconds into my cup before the pump kicks in and extraction is continous from 5-6 seconds. Have you come across this before. My barista sister has run a number of shots through it and gets the same occurence. I'm wondering whether when I first set it up i didn't run enough water through the grouphead once the boiler had filled and maybe there is some air in there? If this may be causing it is there a way to get rid of this? Any other ideas?
Many thanks for any guidance
Daniel
Hi Daniel, You are welcome for the video! Yes, I'm set at 120C/248F. I picked my boiler temperature based on my desired brew temp as referenced in the manual at ~6 minutes in the video. At that setting the machine is definitely making steam as it's well above boiling point of 100C/212F and there's plenty of steaming power. I don't have a manual handy for the machine, but must have missed any mention of not enough steaming power below 120C. Keep in mind changing your boiler temp in an HX boiler machine will change your brew temp as well. At 124C boiler temp setting you'll be brewing at 96.2C/205F which is right at the upper limit of espresso brewing temps. You will have more steaming power at the higher temp. If running that hot you'll want to do a cooling flush from the group to reduce the brew temp right before pulling a shot.
I doubt there is air trapped in the group. Your initial extraction at 1-2 seconds is likely from overheated water causing excess pressure in brew water section of the boiler. Especially if running at 124C. Lifting the lever releases pressure in the boiler and causes flash boiling. That produces a burst of steam with a bit of pressure behind it onto the coffee. You can fix by doing a cooling flush from the group right before the extraction. Without the PF in place lift the lever and let water flow until the flow becomes smooth. Should only take a few seconds for flow to even out with less bubbles and steam. Then pull your shot.
Your other option is to run the boiler cooler. At 120C you will not need the cooling flush unless the machine has been on and idle for an extended period. At 120C your brew temp will be right in the middle of the brewing range of 90.5 - 96C.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Marc thanks so much for your detailed response, much appreciated. Will reset to 120 c for my morning brew tomorrow!!
Hi, WLL! Q: No cooling flush, even after hours between uses? So then, any meaningful benefit for dual boiler? Want ECM, but only Technika will fit.
Hi Chad! Thanks for the question. If sitting on and unused for hours I would do a cooling flush. But depends on ambient temps. If running in a cool environment maybe not much needed. Benefit of dual boiler is independent control of boiler temperatures. Can run the steam boiler much hotter in a dual boiler for more steam pressure resulting in better frothing performance. The ECM Synchronika, Profitec Pro 700 and Profitec Pro 600 dual boiler machines all run at about 2 bar max pressure in the steam boiler. Much higher than the Technika. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison including measurements of the Technika and the DB machines listed above: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MjIyMzc0MzUzMzExMCwxNTQ1OTkwODY0OTU1LDY3ODg4NTg2NzUyNTQsNDI5NDMwOTM0NzM4Mg
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Purchased from WLL today. Mary-Ann and Mark (in sales) are excellent. I have called a few times over the last couple years, always helpful. Watched your videos on many products, many times. I wanted a Synchronika, but I could only fit the Pro 700 or Technika height. In the end, I sacrificed the marginally more stable brew temps and the 2x steam power of the 700 for the ECM touch points and to generally look its expense. I am 75% confident in my decision. I recommend Portland location (pls excuse the rampant homelessness/litter/graffiti), so I can be more confident next time. 🤓 Thanks for your response.
Hi Marc
The coffee filter baskets only take 7gr coffee single / 14 gram double , in a lot of other machines for example the rocket which is a standard 18 gram of coffee
Is this an issue with getting enough coffee out ?
Cheers
Hi Paul, Thanks for the comment. The ECM stock double basket has the capacity for ~18g. Not sure where you're getting 14g unless you're stating traditional dose levels in Italy. Outside Italian espresso bars most are dosing 17-19g for doubles. If you need more capacity aftermarket precision filters baskets are available in a range of sizes up to 22g: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/portafilters-and-filter-baskets
Marc
Not needing to do a cooling flush is great, but I'm still not quite sure why you dont need one in this machine if you do need one in another PID HX machine with E61. I definitely needed to do cooling flushes in my PID E61 HX machine, what about their design made that unnecessary with this machine? Thanks :)
Hi Ron, Thanks for the comment and question. Variables like your boiler temp setting, ambient temp and idle time may change the need for a cooling flush. If you run this machine for a brew temp of ~199F typically do not need a flush unless machine has been on and idle for an extended period. A major factor is design of the thermosiphon system flow restriction. With the thermosiphon flow rate properly controlled the group bleeds off enough heat so brew water is at proper temp without a flush.
@@Wholelattelovepage I had not considered different manufacturers setting their thermosiphoning at different rates, makes sense.
Hello Marc. Between the Profitec Pro 600 and the ECM Profi PID which one would you choose and why? for example to make drinks for 5 or 6 people.
Hi FM, Thanks for the question. Either machine can do drinks for 5-6 people. Advantages of the Profi PID: Rotary pump, plumbable to water line and nicer finish quality and details. Pro 600 is vibration pump, non-plumbable but has best in class steaming power. Faster at milk frothing if you have the skills to make use of the power. If plumbing machine to waterline is a possibility I'd go with the Profi as I hate filling reservoirs and like in line water filtration to eliminate need to descale. If plumbing is not an option I'd go with the Pro 600. Boiler temps are independently controllable so you can change steam pressure/temp without affecting brew temp.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Can't decide between this ECM Technika V or the Rocket Giotto/Mozzafiato R. From a few reviews I have seen the Rockets steam a little faster but the ECM's have a few nicer touches. Both look great, why is this so hard? lol.
Hi Michael, Tough decisions! If you are going to plumb either just know the Rocket machines cannot do line pressure pre-infusion like ECM's plumbed machines. I have not done steaming tests comparing the Technika V to the Rocket machines but they should be fairly close. If you want a real bump in steaming performance have a look at the dual boiler ECM Synchronika which can run at about 2 bar in the steam boiler while the others run at ~1.4 max pressure. Very similar machine to the Technika with the joystick lever valves and you can set the steam pressure/temp to whatever you like without the brew temp changing. When you change temperature to adjust steam pressure in machines with heat exchange boilers you are also changing the brew temperature.
Marc
Hey mark I just bought the ECMTechnike V profi espresso machine with the BWT bestmax with the pressure gauge and I see you setting the pressure gauge on 2 bar but the ECM uses 9 bar for the boiler how does it get from 2 bar inlet to 9 bar in the boiler thanks 9/20/2023
Hey MEGA, congrats on the new machine! And, you're doing it right with the Bestmax. 2 bar pressure on the line into the machine provides sufficient water flow rate. ECM actually recommends 1.5 bar in the manual. I understand how 1.5 - 2 bar getting to 9 is a little confusing, but it's all about the flow rate. The pump in the machine increases the pressure. The flow rate into the machine, even at 1.5 bar is more than sufficient to provide a flow rate at the group of greater than 11 grams per second which is the typical flow rate of rotary pump machines.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Thank you for your quick reply and the clarification. I have one more question about my E37SD seasoning I will send it in an hour
Does this machine also display degrees Celcius?
Hi C, yes display can be switched between C and F.
Marc
That's a beautiful machine. And a great review too - thanks. Here in NZ, it's priced within a couple of hundred dollars of the Profitec Pro 600 which makes for an interesting choice: HX, rotary, plumbable or dual boiler / vibe pump / tank only! Which would you go for?
Hi AT, Thank you for the kind comment and question. I'd likely go with the Technika. I hate filling reservoirs and prefer a rotary pump machines. Technika has more detail in the finish quality. IMO only reason you might consider the Pro 600 is if you're willing to give up plumbable rotary for higher steam power. Pro 600 has best in class with ~2 bar.
Marc
Hello, is this machine a home use machine or a profesional use machine?
I’m looking for a budget friendly profesional expresso machine for a coffee shop project
Hi ee, Machine is designed for home use.
Hello Marc. that test you did with the towel on the E61 group head on the Technika, if you do that test on the Synchronika, Pro 700 or R58 would you have the same result? Regarding the influence of the outside temperature on the group head, since it is an HX and the ones I mention are Dual Boiler.
Hi FM, Thanks for the question. I suspect one would have similar results on the Pro 700 and R58 but I have not tested. Like HX mchines, dual boilers run the brew boiler hotter than brew temp delivered. The difference is less than in HX machine.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Well, in a DB would the temperature difference be less? would decrease a little less?
Excellent detailed review Marc!.. Almost identical to my synchronika..Love the Roll's Royce finish with these machines.."it's coffee perfection"..
J Luforge HI, thanks for the comment. Yes very similar aside from boilers, steam pressure and ease of opening the Synchronika!
Marc
Would you say this machine is pretty identical mechanically to the profitec pro 500 pid, other than pump type? Struggling with brew temps on my new machine and am finding a lot of differing info on PID temp settings and recommendations. Initially you guys recommended the 248 for 200 degree brew temp, then on another video you mentioned targeting a temp about 4 degrees higher than what’s recommended. Clive has testing correlating 258 degrees with 200 degree brew water. Very difficult as a consumer without a reliable baseline.
Hi Manderson, From your comment it's not clear if you are using a Pro 500 or Technika but assuming a Pro 500. From Profitec here are their recommended boiler temp settings to get specific brew temps:
Excuse the decimals as temps are converted from Celsius
240.8 = 193.8
242.6 = 194.7
244.4 = 195.6
246.2 = 198.1
248 = 200.1
249.8 = 201
251.6 = 202.6
253.4 = 203.9
255.2 = 205.2
Keep in mind that ambient temps and other variables can affect actual brew temp. Things like the machine being on and idle for long periods and leaving the PF in place in the group (you should) when idle will change brew temps. I'm guessing if you set the PID to 258 you'd likely get some flash boiling out of the group if the machine is fully warmed up and idle for a bit.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc! Thanks for the reply. I recently purchased the Technika from you guys, I was just referring to the PP 500 as it seems like information is easier to come by. I am noticing some “gurgling” after item at the group at anything over 250, with it lasting longer the higher I go. I guess I was just wondering if there was any updated guidance on PID temp’s based on testing, and if I could go off of recommendations for the 500 due to similarities in design.
"On competing machines you're likely to see unfinished edges or spot welds, you won't see that on the ECM machines", there's two spot welds on the return of the drip tray in plain sight on the video (3:04) but great review all the same, thank's 👍
Hi Harvey, Thanks for the comment. Yes there are spot welds near the top edge of the tray. They are far more finished than in other machines. I see plenty with raw spot welds low in the corners of drip trays of other machines.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage just got mine absolutely 99.9% perfect a beautiful machine all round
@@jimmyhorgan1905 Thanks for feedback!
Marc
Hi Mark. I just received this machine and it is beyond beautiful! It took me about two months and lots of your videos to decide on ECM over Rocket. I love the ease of toggles over turn knobs. By the way, your videos are excellent. One question, what time are you looking for when pulling a double shot?
Hi gary, Happy to help and thanks for taking a moment to let me know I did and the kind comment in regards to the videos. When making espresso timing is generally the same for singles, doubles, triples. Keep in mind timing is the most basic method of determining grind size. It's as far as many will go. But, if you want to go next try brew ratios - I have a bunch of videos!
Marc
Good day. Great video as usual. Can this machine be upgraded with the pressure control valve on the E61?
Hi AK, Yes it could use ECM's flow control device. At this time due to supply/demand we do not have individual flow control upgrades available.
Marc
Hi Marc! Comparing this machine with and the profitec pro 500 is it worth paying more for this ECM Profi? I do not plan to connect the machine to the plumbing at this time but maybe in a few years. does the pro 500 have the same performance?
Hi Francisco, Thanks for the question. The Pro 500 has similar performance and uses essentially the same boiler. Here's a link to a side by side spec comaprison of the machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk5MzY1MDIzNSwyMjIzNzQzNTMzMTEw
Major differences between the machines: Technika uses rotary pump, has lever valves, higher mounted gauges, angled portafilter, extra finishing details and is plumbable. Some debate over differences between vibration pump and rotary pump extractions. Some prefer higher flow rate of rotary pumps while others think the slightly slower initial pressure rise of vibration pumps can be beneficial. I don't have any data as judgements on that very subjective.
"Worth paying more" is a matter of personal preference. I hate filling reservoirs so plumbing is important to me. I prefer sound of rotary pump to vibration pump. I can rationalize the higher price given probable length of ownership.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hello Marc, Does this model come with a drip tray drain? If not, what is the optional drip tray part number mentioned in the manual?
Hi CM, Thanks for the question. The Technika V does not come with a drip tray drain. The drip tray is not drilled but does have a dimple in the tray where it would need to be drilled. I don't have a pdf of the Technika parts diagram. But, I do have one for the ECM Synchronika: wiki.wholelattelove.com/images/3/3a/Synchronika_Parts_Diagram.pdf Technica parts are identical.
Parts needed for a complete drain install (minus the hose) are shown in drawing 1/table 1. They are in position 7, 8, 25, 26 and 27. Part numbers are in the pdf. FYI - The frame of the Technika is pre-drilled for mounting of the drainage pan (27) which sits under the drip tray.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage This information is so valuable that it should be included in the product description on your website! Thus far reps are telling me only the Rocket R machines can be plumb drained, but clearly they are misinformed. I am now leaning toward purchasing the Technika V. Would you happen to know where one could order the parts you refer to with a view to plumbing the drain? My web searches thus far have been inconclusive. Thank you so much!
Thanks for the amazing reviews and videos in general guys! I am so confused as to whether to get this, the Bezzera Mitica TOP PID or the Rocket Cincrono Evoluzione R
Hi neil, You are welcome and thanks for your kind comment. All 3 machines are very good so I understand the confusion! IMO the ECM Technika V stands out in overall quality and detail. I prefer it's angled PF, extra touch with side angle of E61 group, extended functions available through a well integrated PID and gauges up high for easy visibility.
Marc
Whole Latte Love guys! I bought this one! You’re right I think it the best of the bunch, that and my wife decided she preferred the look, so then it was done! Haha getting used to it and have a breville pro grinder but feel I’m going to need a sette 270wi or one of the eureka ones!
Same! I don’t know which one I should get, like Rocket Chronometro R’s design, but maybe Mitica and ECM has better quality.
Beautiful espresso machine, superbly done video, fun and informative, thank you
Hi OB, You are welcome and thank you for taking a moment to leave your comment!
Marc
Thank you for this outstanding review! The Profi Pid V or the Synchronika will be my next coffee machine. Question to you Marc: the Synchronika will have a longer heating up time, correct? I guess more then 25 minutes?
I think the +300€ (in Germany) will be worth it. What is your opinion? Is there a real reason to don’t upgrade to a dual boiler? A comparison between both and the pro and cons would be amazing. 😊 you’re doing an amazing job!
Hi Marco, You are welcome and thank you for the comment and question. Heat up time on the Synchronika will be longer by about 10 minutes. I like about 35 minutes on large dual boiler like the Synchronika. You can turn off the steam boiler on the Synchronika and get faster heat up if you don't need steam or hot water. The main differences between the machines: HX vs. dual boiler, Synchronika is easiest machine to open up - less than a minute to have all the panels off, Synchronika comes ready to add a drain line, Synchronika has best in class steaming power with the service boiler able to run ~2 bar. Max pressure in the Technika is ~1.1 bar. Both machines can do line pressure pre-infusion. In US Synchronika is available with flow control of E61 group pre-installed. Hope that helps!
Marc
Whole Latte Love: thank you, Marc! Does that mean Flow Control is not supported/available for the Technika V Profi PID? I also think 1,1 bar should be more then enough to steam good milk. I’m not sure if someone really needs 2bar? Of course it is great :) 👍🏻
@@Marco-mn9sg Flow Control is available as an after-market part, I installed mine in my Technika V some weeks ago and it works flawlessly
nalyeone thank you very much 😊 glad to hear!
nalyeone are you still happy with your machine or would you upgrade to Synchronika?
Was wondering if you're going add this model with Flow Control?
Hi Bill, Thanks for the question. We are not selling with the flow control installed. But if purchased from us we can sell flow control upgrades to customers who have purchased ECM and Profitec machines. Do check with our customer support if you'd like to do that.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Awesome. Thanks Marc. Love your videos. I like the rest of your subscribers am an espresso nut. I have a super automatic now but am itching to get a semi automatic once this one goes on the fritz per my wife. Doing a ton of research for that day and only want to hopefully buy once. I am hoping to purchase from Wholelattelove. Have an amazing day! Bill
Thanks for this stellar review!
Hi Sierra, Glad you liked it and thanks for the comment!
Hello Marc, terrific videos! I’m currently researching my first machine and am bouncing around between the Bezzera BZ13 DE, Bezzera Magica PID, ECM Synchronika w/ flow control and this unit. Can you also install flow control on the Technika?
Hi OM, Thanks for the comment. The Synchronika with flow control is the best of the bunch if you can swing it. While the flow control can be installed and work on the Technika we do not offer it that way.
Marc
Great review Mark and thanks - is there anything here that’s better than the Profitec 500PID or is this more about styling of the machines ? They both look similar and I know that ECM own profitec so curious to know which machine would you buy ?
Hi TJ, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and questions. ECM has more detail and higher level finish quality. Some other things it has the Pro 500 does not: Rotary pump, plumb to waterline, visible PID controller w/shot timer, lever operated valves, angled portafilters, real tamper included, ECO mode, backflush reminder, gauges up high.
If given the choice, I'd go with the ECM Technika V. While I love the Pro 500, I hate filling reservoirs, I appreciate angled PFs and I do not mind visible PID displays. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc - this looks to be an updated version from the profitec with the shot timer etc , I’d like to see and touch both but right now that’s not so easy to do. I don’t think I’d regret buying either machine ! Thanks again
you guys make crazy detailled reviews - thx for that
Edit: so it is possible to steam and pull a shot at the same time?! What would be more appropriate or better for the brew pressure: pull shot an steam or vice versa? i'm considering buying a synchronika or this one (we pull 4 milk drinks per day and then only espresso). Thanks in advance
Hi m, Thanks for the kind comment and question. We do our best to be thorough! I can't stand inaccurate and glossy reviews whose sole purpose is affiliate links. We aim to educate!
Both the Technika V and Synchronika can brew and steam at the same time. No effect on brew pressure when steaming. Big difference between the machines is boiler type. Dual boiler in the Synchronika and heat-exchange boiler in the Technika V. In dual boiler machine one can control steam pressure (the in boiler temp) for frothing without without effecting brew temps. The Synchronika has best in class steaming power - up to about 2 bar of pressure in the boiler. You need to have your frothing technique down to take advantage of all that pressure. But you can turn down the steam temp in the Synchronika if needed while learning.
Marc
Great video! Will this unit becoming available again soon?
Hi Michael, Thanks for the comment! As long as no delays at ports, then we should have them on / around June 4th.. due to Memorial day I hope there is no delays.
Marc
Hi Marc, just placed an order for this machine from WLL. what are some good grinder pairing options ? Will eureka silenzio be a good paring ?
Hi Chen, Thanks for your patronage! The Eureka Silenzio is capable of serving the Technika. If you have not watched already here's a video featuring the full lineup of espresso focused Eureka Mignon grinders including the Silenzio: ruclips.net/video/wfhaD9OPqd8/видео.html The Silenzio and some of the other Mignon grinders come in a variety of colors if that's important to you. The Silenzio use a 50mm burr. Some of the other Mignon grinders in the video step up to a 55mm burr. Bigger burrs generally produce a better grind quality and grind faster. You might also consider the Ceado E6P. More info and videos on that grinder here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e6p-electronic-dosing-grinder-v2
The Ceado E6P features 64mm burrs and a beautiful fluffy grind distribution. While the Eureka grinds are built very well, Ceado grinders up the quality a bit with higher quality machining. Hope that helps and congrats on your new machine!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for taking the time to reply. I think the Eureka design will fit in with the kitchen better. The Eureka Mignon XL was released not long ago with the bigger burr. Any idea when you guys will start carrying that ?
Hi Marc
Beautiful looking machine! It's one I'm at looking at but I'm concerned about the steam pressure. Having looked through reports from people who use the Technika there are lots of questions about weak steam pressure.
Even just comparing videos of say the Technika and Bezzera's machines (which I'm also looking at), the Technika just doesn't look like it performs nearly as well. What is your opinion? Thank you
David
Hi David, Thanks for the comment and question. She is a beauty and the brew temp accuracy is very impressive. The Technika V comes with a 2 hole steam tip which I consider balanced meaning you can turn the steam on and after a short initial drop in boiler pressure it will climb back up and the pressure will hold indefinetly. What a user wants in steam power is a personal preference. I find those newer to frothing prefer less power as they'll have more time to work the milk while users with more experience/skill prefer more. Then there's the mindset that more of anything is always better. For those desiring more vigorous steam switching out to a 4 hole tip is the way to go. You will steam much faster. Of course boiler pressure drops quicker but still plenty to get the job done. It's a conservation of energy kind of thing... Up the number of holes (or size of holes) in the tip and you'll get to finished temp faster using the same energy stored in the boiler. Just gotta have the skill to handle the speed.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Many thanks for the response.
Hey Marc, thank you for the great video! I want to ask if ECM provide the machine in other colors like white? If not, is there a safe way to paint the machine?
Painting polished stainless is not easy, as you would first have to destroy the polish you have just paid for. Paint will not adhere to the shiny surface. Maybe check out people who have wrapped their machines with automotive vinyl wrap; there is some info online on this if you search.
Hi MA, You are welcome. No other colors I'm aware of. :(
Marc
Yes!
Hi Marc! excellent review, one question. between the Profitec Pro 600 and the Technika Profi PID which would be better for the price? what I see that in the pro 600 you sacrifice the rotary pump, direct water connection and the aesthetics of the Technika for stability in temperature and steam power (however it is a machine with excellent finishes) and in the Technika you sacrifice the stability of a dual boiler and steam power for beauty and a rotary pump. I want to know if I'm right
Hi FM, Thanks for the kind comment and question. You are right although I find temperature stability of brew water similar between the machines! Pro 600 does have best in class steaming power - if you want to make use of that you need the frothing skills to do so. Big steam power means frothing mistakes happen fast and there's little time to correct. Of course on the Pro 600 you can turn down service boiler temp/pressure to match your skill. On the Technika you'll have decent steam power and time to work the milk. If you want more power down the road you can switch out to a steam tip with larger or more holes for faster steaming.
Marc
Hi Marc from Athens Greece. I am a new buyer of this machine and i want to plumb it direct to my house water supply. According to ECM manual the pressure should be 0-1.5 bar. I saw your video and i think the gauge was above 2 bars. What is your oppinion? 1,5 bar is enough for preinfusion?? Thanks in advance
Hi GA, Thanks for the question. 1.5 bar is sufficient for pre-infusion. That said, I do run my pressure regulator at 2-3 bar. Manufacturers tend to be a bit conservative. The machine is open to line pressure at all times so I do recommend a shut-off valve if you will be away.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the response. So you think the 2 bar pressure will not damage the machine. You recomend to shut off the valve every day when i go out? Or only if i will leave home for a long time e.g for weekend or holidays??
Hi Marc, ever since switching over to a Technika V a few weeks ago (from a Sunbeam EM7000), I have now lost the ability to steam milk!
I'm steaming around 5oz in a 12oz pitcher; I never had any problems making smooth silky microfoam with the Sunbeam, but now with the ECM all I seem to create is large coarse bubbles.. I've tried putting the steam wand straight down, along the side, creating a whirlpool, various other positions; however am not having any success. Would you have any tips for me? Thanks!
Hi 0, It's all about tip position relative to the surface of the milk when you start steaming and when to make a move a little lower. Here's the best video on frothing with some graphics and multi-camera angles which demonstrate the technique: ruclips.net/video/4PSCsv7kcKA/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc, I'll continue practicing!
Awesome review, thanks so much!
Hi MR, You are welcome and thanks a whole latte for the comment!
Hi，I’m the latte art lover, between Rocket Cronometro R, EMC Technika V and Bezzera Mitica, which one do you recommend? Thanks
Hi MC, Of the 3 machines the ECM has the best overall build quality IMO. Steaming performance is similar for these machines. As they are HX the boilers tend to operate at lower pressures than dual boiler machines. If you have excellent frothing skills you could be wanting more pressure. On the other hand less pressure gives you more time to work the milk. If you want more vigorous steam from an HX machine you can switch out to a steam tip with larger or more holes.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you very much, may I ask what’s the steaming pressure for EMC technika V? I know R58 around 1.4 bar, and EMC synchronika is around 2 bar.
@@MC-tl2mt you’re welcome! Pressure in Technika depends on temp setting. Around 1.1 at middle brew temp setting
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, I’m looking between Technika V and synchronika. But I’ve heard about ECM synchronika steam is strong but wet and very hard to get nice foam, could you please recommend one machine have best steam performance?Thanks😄
@@MC-tl2mt not sure who told you that, Synchronika is about the best steamer available in its class.
Marc
Hi Marc, I've had this machine for about five months. It delivers greats shots, however I now have a very stange noise occurring when the machine is building pressure for the shot. It's almost like something is vibrating as the pressure builds up. I have sent it back to my supplier, but it still makes the noise. This doesn't happen when just running water or using a blind portafilter for cleaning. Any ideas?
Hi simon, Thanks for the question. Odd that you only get the sound when pulling a shot and not when there's a blind basket installed. Most vibration noises come from internal pipe knocking on a case panel or something similar. Common fix is taking machine panels off to identify noise source and bending a component like pipe etc to stop the vibration.
Marc
Hey Marc; I have a three year old ECM Technika IV Profi. (direct plumbed) It is used all day, every day, with not a single problem (that wasn't operator error). It's a fabulous machine with quality that holds up over the years. I would emphasize the real beauty of an HX machine that it gives you fresh, flash heated brew water instead of hot water that has been sitting around in the boiler. Mine has a pressure stat. which holds boiler pressure quite steady but as mentioned; factors like ambient temps, shot frequency, steaming , etc. affect brew temps so finer adjustment would be nice to have. I have retrofitted an E61 machine with PID before and wonder, in your opinion, how practical it would be to add a PID to my Technika IV?
Hi Michael, Thanks for sharing your experience with your Technika IV. Good point on the fresh water in HX machine! I honestly do not know how practical installing a PID retrofit into a Pstat machine would be. It's not something I recommend as it can be very dangerous. Boilers can explode, injuries could happen and of course manufacturers will not support. That said, I know there is a community of machine modder/hackers out there who enjoy tinkering, etc. At the very least you'd need a Scace to asses the brew temps after adding a PID. Machine was designed knowing the boiler temp is going to swing a bunch under Pstat control. If you've retrofitted other E61s you know the in boiler temp is quite different than what you get at the group so you've got to figure out things like PID offsets and flow restrictors in the thermosiphon loop. Practical... perhaps not. Interesting, fun and challenging for someone with the right skills and knowledge maybe. Also know it could be dangerous!
Marc
Hi Marc, since this is a HX machine I can descale it myself if I ever have to can't I? It will be about three years before I can plum it. I know you have to get double boilers professionally descaled and I wouldn't have a clue where to find a technician for that in Raleigh NC (I've even googled it for research as to which machine boiler type would be best to get)
Also coming from a Breville Barista Express, how much better is the steaming power? (Don't laugh at my machine it was awesome for learning espresso on, but I'm going to upgrade now)
Also I'm very tempted by the Pro600 and if there's no consumer advantage to having a HX machine I will have a very tough choice.
I make around 2-4 espressos a day. Oh one more question. For prosumer level machines do you recommend backflushing with water on a daily basis? I know to backflush with powder/tablet every 100 shots or so.
Thanks
Hi Simone, Thanks for the questions! Know I would never laugh at anyone's machine!!!
Yes you can descale an HX machine yourself. We have this video showing you how to do that: ruclips.net/video/yEGfyJkWSqU/видео.html One thing I highly recommend is using water that'll prevent scale in the first place. You want some minerals in the water to support good flavor, prevent over-extraction and protect your equipment. Do no use mineral free water like distilled or zero TDS reverse osmosis water. BWT has excellent water treatment options which use patented ion-exchange technology to replace most of the scale causing calcium with magnesium. Used as directed their filtering options prevent scale in espresso machines. Their Bestsave in-reservoir pad filters are easy to use relatively inexpensive and perfect for someone doing 2-4 shots a day: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-s-anti-scale-filter
The BWT Penguin Pitcher uses the same technology, filters faster and makes great tasting drinking water as well: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-penguin-2-7-l-water-pitcher
Steaming power on prosumer level semi-auto machines is much better than what you get on a product like the Barista Express which uses a thermoblock boiler to make steam. It'll be night and day!
The Pro 600 is a good choice for your use level. It'll heat up a bit faster than the Technika and with dual boilers you'll have tighter control of brew temps and can adjust steaming pressure without affecting brew temp. It also has even more initial steaming power than the Technika running at close to 2 bar if desired. That 2 bar is as high as it gets in prosumer level machines. Just be aware the Pro 600 is not plumbable and uses a vibration pump.
Backflushing with water daily and using a product like Cafiza every week or two is good at your use level. Over doing backflushing with a cleaning product may lead to squeaking of internal group components as it keeps things too clean - kinda want a lite coating of coffee oils on internal components to lubricate and reduce friction.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Are you going to offer the olive wood accessories kit as a separate purchase?
Hi b, We hope to have them available in the future. Current supply is very limited.
Marc
Does the steam wand have no burn feature?
Hi DL, Thanks for the question. Yes it does!
Marc
Hi Marc, excellent video and the quality of ECM is amazing! If I want to order the Mechanika V Slim, can I customize it with wood finishes too? or at least the portafilter?
Hi Francisco, Thanks for the comment on the video and I agree on the ECM quality! We hope to have upgrade kits available in the future. Personally I'd wait for ECM PF but this bottomless Bezzera PF will fit ECM E61 groups and is available now: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/portafilters-and-filter-baskets/products/bezzera-bottomless-portafilter-for-matrix-and-duo-mn
Marc
Anyone have experience adding a PID or some other mods to the Technika IV Profi?
Great vid as always. Love this machine - I want it SO much and that grinder. And Marc to come and personally install it :)
Hi Rob, Thanks for the comment. Personal installation can be arranged for a (not so) small additional fee :)
Marc
Hi Marc, how can I have this machine with flow control? In Australia I couldn't find
Hi mk, Thanks for the question. Flow control will work on this machine. Problem is demand for the device has outpaced supply due to popularity and pandemic related production limitations. Hopefully supply will improve!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage
Thanks Marc, do you guys sell those machines which used for demonstration?
I changed my mind and instead of technica I am looking for a syncronica
This would be good if it had the ability to connect the drip tray to the permanent drain waste.
Hi guys, thank you for the videos, which Ecm machine would you recommend for a guy who only makes espresso,(I'm not a cappuccino fun😁)
You are welcome! Either the ECM Classika PID with flow control (high-end): www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control
Or the ECM Casa V (mid-range): www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-casav-semi-automatic-espresso-machine
Hope that helps!
Marc
Thank you so much 👍
Synchronica is better or this one is better?
Hey New, Synchroinika! It's dual boiler and rotary pump.
Marc
Great video as usual. Beautiful machine!.
On another note... Marc should narrate Jack Reacher audio books... =)
Hi N, Thanks for the comment. I'd love to narrate audio books. I'm currently listening to Capsized. It's the true story of 4 guys who spent 119 days drifting in the South Pacific on an overturned trimaran and survived. Keep thinking I could do it better than the guy I'm listening to.
Marc
Great video. What coffee beans do you use?
Hi PB, Thanks for the comment and question. I was using one of my favorite classic Italian style bean blends Maromas Orphea: www.wholelattelove.com/products/maromas-orphea-whole-bean-espresso
It's one of our top sellers and best reviewed coffees in that variety!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thx Mark. I will have a look. Do you supply European market?
@@MrBlacksford Sorry, we do not :(
USA/Canada only at the moment.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I see. Thanks anyway. Keep up good work.
Can I say the steam pressure is a bit lower than its big brother?
Hi Sam, If big brother is the Synchronika then yes you can! Technika uses a a heat exchange boiler so turning up boiler temp for more steam pressure also increases the brew temperature. Synchronika has separate boilers for steam and brew so turning up steam boiler temp has no affect on brew temps. Max steam pressure on the ECM Synchronika is ~2 bar and that's bets in class!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc.
Thanks for this amazing review. Do you know how many grams espresso fit into the basket for two espresso? ECM claims 14 grams which seems to be a bit low as maximum.
Hi Ralph, You are welcome! In my experience, ECM stock double baskets have a capacity of 16-18g. Capacity depends on coffee used. Lighter roasts tend to be denser.
Marc
Very interesting. So much for "PID means nothing on an HX" with these added innovations.
Hi BF, Thanks for the comment. Who said PID means nothing in HX boilers? I've Scaced a bunch of PID and non-PID HX machines from various manufacturers and it makes a huge difference in brew temp consistency.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Well you know the argument that without accurate brewhead temp with something like Eric's thermometer you're shooting in the dark temperature surfing even with a PID, but this added convective thermosyphon is a game changer. Are there any other single boiler HX's you're aware of with that same feature?
Mark, thanks for another wonderful review. I am limited to a tank installation, so my question is about pre-infusion. From what I understand pre-infustion is basically a dribble with a tank setup in the ECM Technika, so very little is done. Is pre-infusion so important that I should look at a vibratory pump that gives some pre-infusion through the longer build-up of pressure. My alternative here is the Profitec 600.
Hi Edward, You are welcome and thank you for the kind comment and excellent question. Yes, if running from the reservoir of the Technika pre-infusion is a dribble with no real pressure behind it. I regard it as pre-wetting rather than pre-infusion. It may help to reduce channeling and have a slight increase in the depth of extraction but it is not at all comparable to true pre-infusion with some pressure behind it. A very common and productive use of long low flow/pressure pre-infusion is to tame the excessive brightness one typically gets from fresh from roast specialty coffees. If using high-end, single origin, lighter roast coffees it makes a huge difference. If doing more classic Italian style blends then true pre-infusion doesn't buy you much.
If you want true flexibility and are considering the Pro 600 get it with flow control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-600-dual-boiler-espresso-machine-with-flow-control
With flow control on the 600 you can run the machine normally or choose to do those long low flow pre-infusions or other flow profiles that can help improve classic bean blends. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hello Marc, i want to open a small coffee shop and wondering if the Ecm Technika V or Profitec Pro 700 could pull more back to back shots in a row. Is there another Machine in this price range that could pull more shots with good quality, rotary pump, water tank?
Hi TND, Neither machine is commercially rated. That said, The Pro 700 would do much better as it's a dual boiler machine so steaming has no impact on brew temps. But with high volume repeated use brew temps might rise a bit as the group head warms.
Marc
Marc should narrate trailers for coffee movies.
“In a world where coffee has become commoditized, one man has not had his morning espresso yet... “ 😉
Lol, That or maybe narrate star shows at planetariums? The announcer tracks for those fascinated me as a kid!
Marc
hahahahaha!
Great video Marc, still struggling to pick a domestic machine for my home.
Thank you so much for confusing me again😂😂.
Kind regards from Scotland,
Johnny
Hi Johnny, I'm sorry! Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Merci belle video
Hi AA, Thanks!
Marc
Sorry my question was about flow control on E61
Roger
This is the machine I am getting
Hi Mark, Good choice! Basically the HX version of the ECM Synchronika. It's a wonderful machine - enjoy it!
Marc
Mark👏👍👌👌
Hi Ahmet, Thanks!
Marc
ECM or rocket?
Hi Benz, Thanks for the question. I'm partial to ECM for overall quality and detail. That said, many like the more in your face branding of Rocket machines. Depends on what is more important to you.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank u so much.
Really strange you went to the factory in Milan. Since this machine is made in Germany. So what else shouldnt i believe in this video?
Hey pep, Happy to inform ECM/Profitec did have a manufacturing facility near Milan in Italy where they produced many of their products when I visited in 2018. Here's my full video shot within that facility - enjoy! ruclips.net/video/K0RI5rdz4Ww/видео.html
Marc
is good tanks
Glad you like it!
Marc
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Hi Sandy, You are fast!
Marc
Hi Marc. 🤩 the right timing is very important! In my experience 27 seconds is best ☕️ Thanks for your awesome videos 👍👍👍
Help me my ecm pid blank 🥲
Hey rT, Blank PID is an indication the machine there is not water in the reservoir. Check that the float in the bottom corner of the reservoir is in place and operating properly. Sometimes they get jammed. Here's a link to a video showing you what to check. Video is on a different machine but uses the same reservoir: ruclips.net/video/xcze59LUg9E/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks 🥰