Fake "Controversy" - Helldivers 2 Players Are Full of It
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
- Helldivers 2 controversy, and the absolute lack of integrity from its toxic players.
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Update; It seems Sony backed down a little faster, and easier, than I predicted. This video will remain of course, as everything I said within is still true At least now though the people I was using as examples might stop throwing tantrums over misinformation - maybe they'll even stop listening to the people who willfully spread lies. LOL! as if. Source; twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929
I'm sure SONY's unusual Helldivers2 backdown has nothing to do with desperately wanting to avoid bad press & fan-tantrums around the next BIG Playstation PC port coming in 10 days
nothing.
OH Ghost Of Tsushima is the first game with the new built-in PSN overlay you say?
Odd!
This PR disaster is of their own making - plain and simple. Not sure if they are planning to return to sale HD2 on Steam for all the countries that currently can't buy it - but I wouldn't put it past them to go for big bucks again.
We've made our voices heard. I was one of those who loves the game but I stopped playing not only for solidarity for the people who were locked out but to tell Sony to shove off. I will say after listening to your whole video, I can tell you it HAS felt more barren since the announcement of this update vs post update. I will secede that the negative reviews didn't necessarily star with that Friday news, there was a patch on Monday that gimped some builds (my own included) as well as tanked performance and made crashes worse so people had been down voting nearly the whole week prior. It was good that the devs cleared up the issue by telling players to DB the game to give them leverage, the CM who was (admittedly) shitty owned what he said, and barring just Sony not being a shit company and forcing this in the first place I feel this is close to the best outcome we could've gotten given the shit storm that has been the HD2 account linking.
EDIT: I am coming back simply to put that for the situation to feel TRULY right is for those people who have been locked out to be reinstated if they haven't been. I don't personally have a friend in any of these countries but that's the only piece I think is missing in this.)
Hilarious to think (from my perspective) all Sony REALLY needed to do was say "hey, this isn't required for PC players, but OH LOOK OVER HERE AT THE SHINY ITEM YOU GET FOR LINKING! If you'd LIKE IT, do the thing. Otherwise keep having fun". I will agree with you on most every video you've had dragging Sony through the mud as in 98% of cases they absolutely are anti-consumer and deserve all the flack they get. Speaking of, "great" to see them in talks to buy Paramount....because that's what they need...more monopoly power. Anyway small rant at the end with me being highly facetious, hope you're well Blunty
Actually Ghost of Tsushima developers just came out and stated that a PSN account won't be required.
@@tidywire423 "Actually Ghost of Tsushima developers just came out and stated that a PSN account won't be required."
"aCtUaLlY" it was NEVER a ~requirement~ for GOT, as I detailed extensively here; ruclips.net/video/RRE-rLH6PzA/видео.html - literally NOTHING HAS CHANGED about that.
What I want to know is, why was this game ever listed in countries that don't have PSN in the first place if this requirement was always there? Is that Sony's fault or Valve's fault?
I have heard that Valve is giving refunds to people in countries without PSN regardless of playtime (you have to apply twice, because the first time you get automatically rejected by a bot and the second time you get a human review), so that's good at least.
As for the player numbers, I guess we'll see for sure what existing players do. Sounds like they get another month to play before they have to sign in. If it doesn't drop on June 4th when everyone has to sign in or stop playing, then yeah, add them to the clown pile next to the "boycott Modern Warfare 2" Steam group all playing Modern Warfare 2.
Mainly because this is the first live-service title from Sony themselves. PSN has only ever been offered in a handful of markets, so often people in unsupported markets would be told by Sony support they should set their account in the nearest supported market (Philippines is one case of an unsupported market where people would say they were in Japan). However countries like the UK make setting an account up harder and Ukraine's current conflict makes even setting up an account in that region near impossible. So, this is causing issues for a number of players once this goes into affect on June 4th. Mind you, June 4th should stand out as that's when Destiny 2's Final Shape launches.
I agree. The game should have never been available in other countries, when sony knew this was going to happen. I also think Steam knew this would happen as well. Valve isn't stupid
I think my main issue with this thing is that the game got sold to people outside of the PSN coverage, and that’s an outage area covering most of two continents. Doesn’t feel fair, really.
Not a single CIS country has a PSN store. Why did they sell the game in the CIS Steam region? Why did they or Steam stop the sales in most countries yesterday?
Just creating an account in a different region worked wonders for the folks in the region. Most opted for Russia - remember there is different localisation availability too. Since the invasion, you can't buy games, extend PS+, get f2p games, or even really install next-gen updates. An account's PSN region is permanent.
You may argue I shouldn't have bought, but I'm sure not getting burnt a second time here.
No, you’re right. They shouldn’t have allowed you to buy it if they weren’t going to provide long term support for you to play. It’s practically fraud.
@@drrisen-9442it's not fraud though because steam is refunding sales for players in those regions, so please explain where there is fraud
@@shanematthews1985 Steam is refunding not Sony and if Sony decide they don't to partake in that refund steam takes the hit.
I just commented on your video, and to show just how volatile this situation is, all our "crying" as you called it has pushed Sony into reversing the updates! Goes to show it IS worth it to speak out
I never said don't speak out I never even IMPLIED it... In fact I STRONGLY ENCOURAGED speaking out in protest... please watch the videos you comment on, so much easier than IMAGINING the content, it'll make your comments much less embarrassing for you.
@@BluntyTV people when they ask or state X, Y & Z when it's addressed in the video they didn't manage to watch before commenting and clicking off:
they have reverted the decision 10 minutes ago so account linking is no longer a thing
You also skimmed over and didnt address how it was listed as optional directly on sonys site and just recently and silently changed to required.
That is not true. Here is a link to the developer's own CEO, the top dude... the big boss... AND the creative director of Helldivers 2, explaining that FULLY HALF A YEAR before release it was already set in stone that PSN would indeed be MANDATORY twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1787076609188483254
Okay... I'm all for someone digging deeper and exposing misinformation, which is a big enemy of everyone these days. You have my sincere respect for that, and for pulling against the bandwagon. However.
Saying Delldivers 2 players are stupid shitbrains with no integrity throwing a tantrum is a bit much. You did make some good points such as proving that steam did notify us of this requirement beforehand, but you also just dodged some things.
Sony does, by today's standards, have abysmal security with handling data. It's certainly not the worst- but it is bad, and it has a bad track record. Telling people that you "see right through" them because they dare have other types of accounts is just dumb - there are legitimate security concerns, and they have a right to be worried about linking their account.
On another subject - Sony has changed for the worse since your example that you have given for being able to make accounts in different countries. But regardless of that. It's not that people think that Sony is actually going to seek out and ban your account if you make it for a different country- it's the simple fact that they could legally terminate it anytime they wanted, even if they don't care too much to do so. It's like playing the game with a gun to their account. No, Sony isn't actively looking to pull the trigger. And they more than likely won't. But that still makes a lot of people uncomfortable betting their account on that possibility- on top of adding another hoop to jump through just to play the game. It's not difficult, but it is an inconvenience, and it adds a level of uncertainty for some.
As far as quitting the game versus leaving bad reviews- I am willing to bet that the player base will tank some once the requirement for current players starts rolling out. Could be wrong. But I also think they'll want to enjoy the game as much as they can before the requirement sends everything into chaos.
Yes, some people (including me) were unobservant and missed the notification for the account requirement upon purchase. Yes, some people are taking it too far. And again, my genuine applause and respect for fighting disinformation. But this video also takes it too far, even if it's in the opposite direction. There are reasons for players to be upset; don't insult the entire player base for expressing their discontent. A lot of us are just sad that this wonderful and diverse community is getting torn apart, by corporation and players alike.
That all being said - Hope this finds you well and you're having a good day.
"it's the simple fact that they could legally terminate it anytime they wanted, even if they don't care too much to do so." You should READ the TOS agreements you accept... basically ALL OF THEM can do this.
very nearly ALL such agreements have clauses saying they can change shit anytime they like, AND they can refuse service any time they like, - even without explanation at all.
Sony are not doing anything outside of what the standard has been for DECADES of online TOS agreements.
Your ignorance of this fact is not evidence of sony being ESPECIALLY "evil".
Ahahaha. Six hours after all this goes down, Sony tweets that they're backing down on the account link requirement. Let's fucking go
Sounds like your trying to ride the fence. The game is not going to die. But this is gonna hurt. The pain is gonna come from losing players, negative reviews, loss of free advertising and incoming players refusing to install the PSN trojan.
As I very very clearly demonstrated player numbers weer already crashing. (please watch the video THEN comment about what i said, not what you IMAGINED I said... for example, never once did I claim the game was 'going to die')
"ride the fence"? You new here? You know, not everything is console war/binary. Having a nuanced take that considers a variety of perspectives is what a good industry commentator does (like Blunty).
Update PlayStation has rescinded the policy to require a PSN account link. So the gamers win and it's over now.
Yeah, no, we're not. Sony went into their website and changed To make it look like it Always said some games would require PlayStation network, when in reality, it Said it would be optional. So they lied out of their teeth and then there's the fact that Sony. has More holes inside of its cybersecurity than a Las Vegas strip club so pc players don't want sony anywhere near their personal info. I already know You are going to compare it to what other companies do which is stupid as hell because no other gaming company put this feature in the game after months of the game is released. Then there's The fact that sony knowingly sold people( In countries that you're no longer allowed to have PlayStation network) this game wth the intent of screwing them over later. Plus your PlayStation Vida story doesn't mean a God damn thing because it happened years ago and Sony has changed since then been for the worst.
Dude there is VIDEO EVIDENCE from release that shows what teh STEAM store was presenting, and the REQUIREMENT notice is right there, just as I showed here. Same of the login-screen asking for a PSN login (with a QR code)., ALL THERE DAY ONE.
My biggest concern was with the fact that they sold the game in all those countries that didn't have access to PSN. If it was always a requirement then they shouldn't have been selling the game there.
and now they are upset because Ghost of Tushima are now not going to be sold in those countries and sony won't back down because of this.
you got what you wanted, and you lost.
Personally I just despise having to log in through multiple launchers and external log ins to play games. Its already annoying with ubisoft and ea games and I reeeeeally don’t want yet another stupid fucking login to pop in for a game I wanna play. Its just annoying and I refuse to encourage that shit in addition to everything else. GRANTED you definitely spoke in a much more well informed manner about certain things AND especially where you mention that it allows them to react to reports and issue bans easier thought Im more than sure there are other ways to get the same results.
All in all DESPITE EVERYTHING YOU MENTIONED it shouldn’t be necessary and there definitely are work arounds to get the goods out of what they “intended” which lets be honest, in the corporate side it DEFINITELY does help inflate corpo numbers they like to see go up.
But you don’t have to always log in… you link the psn account to steam ONCE, and it just transparently works from then on. I linked my PSN to steam over two years ago for Spider-man, and I’ve never had to touch it since. That's the POINT of ~LINKING~ them; To AVOID doubling up on log-ins.
@@BluntyTV cool then if it's not insisting on having me log in over and over. but dude honestly I just really hate creating accounts. I understand for some it's not a big deal but some people just don't want to go through with it. I also just recently heard that sony tends to require more information such as an address to create a psn, and that's one extra step that I don't think any game company, as far as I know, has ever required.
Understand the "Industry" isn't about good games - hasn't been for a long time.
This is similar to the downtalk on Elden Ring. The media and industry heads WANT this to fail. It sets a high mark other publishers don't want their devs to have to meet. They want to keep selling C- content forever. Outliers raise the bar and change expectations.
So the game had a huge drop - no surprise. There was major marketing and word of mouth effecting a bubble that was going to pop no matter what.
And yet it's still at about 50k players a day. Anyone realize that most games fall into the 1-2k count by now? Instead of that 50k?
Don't believe the down-hype. Those of us who've gamed for at least 10+ years should have observed this industry fixing before and become wise to it.
I agree the COD/Casual playerbase craps on the game like they do all games because they have no attention span and don't do well with games like this or DRG, GTFO, etc. Most *hate* teamwork, etc.
Let them die off - they always do.
This whole situation does not affect me, or most people really, but it is still a very bad PR move and it legitimately hurts a decent segment of the player base. Does the game deserve to die for this? No. But it’s hard to separate a great game from the greedy publisher Sony.
4:11 yeah it happened before with Minecraft and Fall Guys
I disagree with the idea of 'they're not even going to enforce the tos, just make a psn in another region' they at any point can rightfully remove your ability to play a game you paid for, which in some of these countries relative $60aud is a huge deal.
That's power given to not only Sony but also the 80yo's in charge of the countries where psn already isn't available for whatever the reason.
However, this whole shitshow was blown up by people finding random reasons to hate the reintegration of PSN via misinformation, oh well it doesn't matter anymore anyway
Luv ya blunty, never stop speaking your mind ❤
Im on playstation so it didnt impact me but the only thing they really had to stand on was the limitation to make a psn account, otherwise its no different to majority of games these days.
Also originally i thought it was on the ps store certain regions couldnt do not creating accounts also.
the thing that gets me is the main helldivers subreddit is all this whining isn't kept to a single megathread, so if you want to genuinely discuss the game, it's near impossible. also, if you even mention this, you'll get your post removed or comment downvoted to hell. out of everyone i know that plays on PC and plays helldivers, they SAW that a psn account would eventually be mandatory and went and made one
I don't mind making a account lol
Brave title and image. I don’t have a horse in this race and have my own foreign NiN (NintendoID or whatever it’s called) on my Switch right now lol
(Yes I watched the video I am not interested in the game though)
Yup, Had a Japanese Nintendo account on my switch since launch too, ZERO ISSUES, still works perfectly.
Also not a Sony game fan alot games they have as exclusives just aren't my cup a tea I like only a few of there games and helldivers 2 is one of the few at that otherwise I'll never but a playstation I'm a xbox switch quest 2 pc type a guy lol 😆
Completely agree. Blown out of proportion entirely imo
I hope they ban your foreign accounts for going against TOS 😂😂😂😅
It's been 12 years, 4 months so far. My Japanese & USA PSN accounts are still fine. Always has been. Get a clue kid.
Nearing a decade for my JPN NID one too.
A very good one, Blunty
Wow people do like to complain. they spend time to complain but not to create account and get over it
Unpopular opinion, that I mostly agree with.
Arrowhead head boss guy shrugging it off on launch, letting Steam sell it to countries that can't make PSN accounts, and their whole community mod team being total idiots aside, this situation blew up so much mainly because people didn't know what they were agreeing to.
These same people will have many many problems in life when they find out about all the other random BS they mindless agree and sign up to.
Arrowhead doesn't sell the game, the publisher (sony) is the one that sells the game
Yeah it's funny how they seem to ignore that the steam store has stated that a PSN account was required since December, people really need to read what they are buying
And you're right, most people who whine do not walk away, I stopped giving square enix money and I've now walked away from league of legends due to recent decisions, I know I am one man and I don't make a difference alone, but every little helps
The same outcry happened with Dexit and Pokémon, SWSH was still one of the highest grossing games
LOL, I'd forgotten they called it "dexit". 🤣 funny little twerps.
it's a bit of a rubbish complaint TBH, i'm a big MMO guy and i've bought a bunch through Steam, they all either open launchers and have their own log-ins or give the option to 'link accounts' which allows you to skip the third party login and just use your Steam. This is also the case for Ubisoft games, EA games, etc, etc. Very standard. Also, crazy how people just forgot VPN's exist when every second RUclips vid has ads for them, lol.
U earned my sub
Wow first video I saw on this that spoke to “new” players. Glad I watched. Not that I am bothered nor affected by this. But glad all aspects were brought to light here. Why ruin a good story with the facts. Hahaha
Yeah, well, I'm not shocked... an HONEST look at the TRUTH and details of this doesn't help people who are using it under the agenda of creating fear, uncertainty and doubt to fire up morons into a hateflurry.
You want Gamers to have integrity? Haha! Hahahaha! AHAHAHAHAHAHA-
edit here: sony backed up on their word lol now gamers are gonna think they did something