Small detour on why to play expert maps on slowmode (preferebly the entire time but noone does that): the speedup mechanic causes the game to skip frames to keep up and make it easier to Deal with the calculations going on behind the screen. These skipped frames basicly cause you to Lose damage which in return causes you to Lose rounds that are consistent, but consistently close so the small amount of damage loss pushes it over the edge and loses the run. edit: important rounds to play on slow for almost All true expert maps: 15, 55, 63, 75, 76, 78, and all the rounds from 90 to 100 except 97. most important rounds are the ddt rounds due to their speed
I don’t notice an effect like this at all. I can do the sanctuary early dart sniper early game and muddy r21 airburst early in fast forward and it works just the same as slowing it down. I think people think this because when they slow down they are less likely to make a dumb mistake and or think they have more control because of what’s going on.
@@Chom_Chom it is a very common thing for people doing guides. Unescaped stated it multiple Times and stated, that He lost rounds more on fast forward than on not fast forward when He tested his strats, even when He didnt have to place stuff and i heard different people talk about the same thing on different independent occasions. there is often even a call to not play specific rounds on fast forward in guides. i also noticed it myself but that could be due to Bias.
just a very niche tip for some expert maps like this one: when microing a tower such as a sniper, if for instance the balloons are on the right side of the map and covered by the snipers menu, you can instead start by clicking a tower on the right side which will open the menu on the left side, then you click the sniper and its menu wont block the path you want to see.
You can click towers that would be hidden by the menu if you have godlike speed to click the one on the opposite side while the menu is opening. Or just do it on mobile and get it super easily
Another thing about the randomness. When you use snipers in challenge editor and you restart a round, the snipers will all fire their first shot at the veeery beginning of the round (or as soon as a bloon spawns). Whereas during a black border run, the sniper will have to wait for the remaining of its reload time before the next shot fires. Makes a noticeable difference in some situations.
I know the black border series has brung in many, many views. I will say however, I appreciate you figuring things out "on the fly" more than any other metric. My favorite video was chutes cause, yes, you failed a bunch... But it showed your thought process and problem solving to accomplish the goal. Instead of knowing how to do it before hand
that is one of my favorite parts about the BB series as well. These harder maps tho, if I didn't practice ahead of time I risk sitting there for several hours or possibly never even beating it.
For that exact reason I wrote a bot that will place monkeys at the coordinates I give it and upgrade them the way I want, I don't want to redo the same work because of rng.
Quick tip, when using maim moab you almost always want to use the middle path, since the shrapnel also stuns moabs, so it ends up stalling them more than the bottom crosspath
tab and ctrl tab cycle between the targetting options. tab goes +1 ctrl tab -1 so you can micro snipers faster for example. the hotkeys for monkeys are ordered Q W E R T Y are just basic monkeys etc and they are all in just the order they are listed. helps u remember also just testing the keys sometimes helps to remember them also
lol I had that as my hotkeys before I changed the tap from x to tab because I wanted to change them for a faster upgrades so now I have them ctrl tab and shift tab
It`s so cool that you leave unsuccessful rounds in the final video so we can actually see how important the placement is. Thank you, love your vids, especially the BB series and earlier chimps strats :) (Edit) Oh yeah, and no Geraldo this time, oof. idk why, every strat on such maps with him feels like a cheating :)
Glad you liked it! I was going for more of a entertaining video then a straight tutorial on how to beat it. This beginning strat was all Chom Chom's so if there is an easier Geraldo strat, I know nothing of it lol
Any map that winning comes down to pixel perfect placement, precise ability timing, placing towers within 1-2 seconds (accurately)... ...AND then it all comes down to dumb luck anyway? Its cool that some people love that kinda Dark Souls type nonsense, but I just have no interest in seeing my blood pressure triple.
@@Dabloon *sigh* ...yeah. I know exactly what you mean. I'm up to about 90% of the total badges on solo. It feels so close, but knowing what I do about what's ahead, I've probably only done like 50% of the total run attempts it will take to "71" them all. 😞
It's the pixel perfect placements or micro this tower on first for the first 20 bloons, then set to strong or else you just lose that do it for me. I've been trying the exact same opening 4/5 towers you do with similar results just randomly failing.
Damn, I still cant beat Dark Castle CHIMPS on my own :( Beat every other mode on it but the CHIMPS early game just screws me. And thats not even a true expert map?
Was gonna try and attempt this after watching, but I started raging myself just watching you lose because you messed up a pixel placement (i need to get this checked out) so I'm going to pass for now, but props to you for actually doing it!!
@@Dabloon i feel its less 'skill' and more beat your head into the wall till you break it or it breaks you... like you said, its insanity in all but name
i had the same problems when i tried chimps on sanctuary, personal strategy didn't work, dead end at round 98, after hours and hours i tried a tutorial, and lost at round 99, never tried again. Pixel perfect tower or dead on random rounds...
I play this game to enjoy myself. Getting stressed out over the placement of a damn fictional video game character, and if I fail, that implies I am not a man, defeats the purpose.
ngl complaining about expert maps being "too hard" when they're expert maps for a reason is annoying asf. if there weren't any maps that were difficult for some of the best players in the game that would be so underwhelming.
In my opinion, there is a difference between something being difficult based on skill and difficult being based on randomness. If you were to be playing an expert chess player for example, their movements would not be random but with these expert maps you can lose because the druid placed a vine in the wrong spot or the alch didn't buff your tower at the right time which you do not have control over.
@@Dabloon that’s a pretty fair point. the alc buff is definitely not something you can do anything about. i’d probably argue the druid point a little bit but fair enough. my point mostly just comes from that if something isn’t working, it’s usually because you haven’t found a better way. maybe NK didn’t make these maps hard in the right way but there still has to be a level of difficulty that even extremely experienced players such as yourself struggle with.
I've commented this before but I find it hilarious how obsessed you are with people that say "early" Legit I've gone back a YEAR of Dabloon videos and I will still see your ass commenting "nobody cares" @@Bentheman24
nah man he’s got a point. how do you get to the point of having a difficult map that if something is a few pixels off then you just lose. that’s a bit ridiculous don’t you think? and boomer stopped being an insult and funny like 3-4 years ago lol
i love your videos but I often find myself leaving early because you make a mistake and you just complain and complain and complain about it . just move on from it don't dwell on it for the next 15 minutes.
Small detour on why to play expert maps on slowmode (preferebly the entire time but noone does that): the speedup mechanic causes the game to skip frames to keep up and make it easier to Deal with the calculations going on behind the screen. These skipped frames basicly cause you to Lose damage which in return causes you to Lose rounds that are consistent, but consistently close so the small amount of damage loss pushes it over the edge and loses the run.
edit: important rounds to play on slow for almost All true expert maps: 15, 55, 63, 75, 76, 78, and all the rounds from 90 to 100 except 97. most important rounds are the ddt rounds due to their speed
BALLER
I don’t notice an effect like this at all. I can do the sanctuary early dart sniper early game and muddy r21 airburst early in fast forward and it works just the same as slowing it down. I think people think this because when they slow down they are less likely to make a dumb mistake and or think they have more control because of what’s going on.
@@Chom_Chom it is a very common thing for people doing guides. Unescaped stated it multiple Times and stated, that He lost rounds more on fast forward than on not fast forward when He tested his strats, even when He didnt have to place stuff and i heard different people talk about the same thing on different independent occasions. there is often even a call to not play specific rounds on fast forward in guides. i also noticed it myself but that could be due to Bias.
@Chom_Chom, you're too good 😅
I thought I was kidding myslef when I thought I did more damage on normal speed
just a very niche tip for some expert maps like this one: when microing a tower such as a sniper, if for instance the balloons are on the right side of the map and covered by the snipers menu, you can instead start by clicking a tower on the right side which will open the menu on the left side, then you click the sniper and its menu wont block the path you want to see.
holy shit THANK YOU
What if the menu is blocking ur sniper so u cant reclick it? 😢
@@potatopobobot4231 hit boxes to click on towers is extremely large so this usually won’t be a problem unless it’s on the very edge of the screen
the placement for my bottom sniper on this map didn't allow me to see the other side unfortunately. normally that works 100 tho!
You can click towers that would be hidden by the menu if you have godlike speed to click the one on the opposite side while the menu is opening. Or just do it on mobile and get it super easily
when you find out dark castle isnt a real expert map and you spent forever blackbordering it
Dark Castle is easier than like half the advanced maps but I feel you ppl don't sweat games
I feel that! I was so stoked when I beat it back in the day just for everyone to tell me I was still not "expert" haha
I can’t even beat muddy puddles in easy, amazing job on being able to beat it in chimps
No no no, muddy puddles is intermediate! do a true expert map plz!
Another thing about the randomness. When you use snipers in challenge editor and you restart a round, the snipers will all fire their first shot at the veeery beginning of the round (or as soon as a bloon spawns). Whereas during a black border run, the sniper will have to wait for the remaining of its reload time before the next shot fires. Makes a noticeable difference in some situations.
I know the black border series has brung in many, many views. I will say however, I appreciate you figuring things out "on the fly" more than any other metric. My favorite video was chutes cause, yes, you failed a bunch... But it showed your thought process and problem solving to accomplish the goal. Instead of knowing how to do it before hand
that is one of my favorite parts about the BB series as well. These harder maps tho, if I didn't practice ahead of time I risk sitting there for several hours or possibly never even beating it.
For that exact reason I wrote a bot that will place monkeys at the coordinates I give it and upgrade them the way I want, I don't want to redo the same work because of rng.
Quick tip, when using maim moab you almost always want to use the middle path, since the shrapnel also stuns moabs, so it ends up stalling them more than the bottom crosspath
Sanctuary was so hard for me to get the black Border muddy puddles was easy
tab and ctrl tab cycle between the targetting options. tab goes +1 ctrl tab -1 so you can micro snipers faster for example. the hotkeys for monkeys are ordered Q W E R T Y are just basic monkeys etc and they are all in just the order they are listed. helps u remember also just testing the keys sometimes helps to remember them also
lol I had that as my hotkeys before I changed the tap from x to tab because I wanted to change them for a faster upgrades so now I have them ctrl tab and shift tab
Good to know theres at least ONE bloons player who also hates micro. You're not alone dabloon!
It still got you over the edge this run but 2-3-0 spike factory is way better for bads than the 3-2-0, the 3-2-0 is better for cerams
bro that one camo pink at 14:54
I didn't even see that. I would have died.
I bet you can't beat this challenge Zmoukhy
"Glacial Trail is easy"
wut.
It`s so cool that you leave unsuccessful rounds in the final video so we can actually see how important the placement is. Thank you, love your vids, especially the BB series and earlier chimps strats :)
(Edit) Oh yeah, and no Geraldo this time, oof. idk why, every strat on such maps with him feels like a cheating :)
Glad you liked it! I was going for more of a entertaining video then a straight tutorial on how to beat it.
This beginning strat was all Chom Chom's so if there is an easier Geraldo strat, I know nothing of it lol
@@Dabloon I remember ISAB used a Geraldo strat a bit ago, but I don’t remember how easy it was
Any map that winning comes down to pixel perfect placement, precise ability timing, placing towers within 1-2 seconds (accurately)...
...AND then it all comes down to dumb luck anyway?
Its cool that some people love that kinda Dark Souls type nonsense, but I just have no interest in seeing my blood pressure triple.
Haha I feel the same way, but a part of me HAS to finish the game at some point lol
@@Dabloon *sigh* ...yeah. I know exactly what you mean. I'm up to about 90% of the total badges on solo. It feels so close, but knowing what I do about what's ahead, I've probably only done like 50% of the total run attempts it will take to "71" them all. 😞
I would rather use plasma acceletator here and no alchemists
too much work to use that tower tho
@@Dabloon Not for me. I will try to do anything i can to avoid using alchemist in Chimps
I also played Muddy Puddles on Chimps, but after like 15 trys and a late game lose I gave up. But when you can do it I will try it also.
you can do it!
Congrats on being more persistent than I'll ever be!
It took me one week to black boarder Quad, expert maps are one of a kind.
I told you, one day you would complete Muddy Puddles CHIMPS, congratz :D - Monika
LOL with the help of someone else tho. but I will still take it! thank you
Now do bloody puddles😈
It's the pixel perfect placements or micro this tower on first for the first 20 bloons, then set to strong or else you just lose that do it for me. I've been trying the exact same opening 4/5 towers you do with similar results just randomly failing.
it is random, well maybe not random but impossibly pixel perfect lol
You should ask chomp chomp to email you a bloody puddles black border
When will u do ur next black border?
Infernal is coming out soon!
Omg, u really responded, I am a big fan, keep the amazing content going 🙏
I actually beat workshop with my own strategy a few days ago. It took me 3 hours at most. I am actively trying to beat ouch chimps. I made it to 92!
awesome! what did you use?
@@Dabloon For workshop I used sauda, icicle impale, arcane spike and 2 spiked mines. For ouch I just did sub spam.
Damn, I still cant beat Dark Castle CHIMPS on my own :(
Beat every other mode on it but the CHIMPS early game just screws me. And thats not even a true expert map?
you will get it! dark castle can be real easy sometimes! try an avatar of wrath strat with a sub and dart start!
Was gonna try and attempt this after watching, but I started raging myself just watching you lose because you messed up a pixel placement (i need to get this checked out) so I'm going to pass for now, but props to you for actually doing it!!
I was no joke pretty mad during the making of this video. I thought I had it all down then when I hit record it all went out the window.
Watched your video's since 2020 to 2021. now back in 2024. 222k subs. You sir, have been working really really hard!
good luck!
CHOM CHOM THE 🐐
the fact that pixel perfect placements are required is why i will never bother with chimps 'real' expert maps... too much headache for nothing
They aren't pixel perfect but you have like 2 pixel by 2 pixel area, if you aren't bothered use a macro
which is too freaking exact for me to bother wasting my time on...
@@brayachdragonbane7529 challenge editor
I feel the same way, the randomness and ultra preciseness are not expert in the same way playing an expert player in BTD Battles would be.
@@Dabloon i feel its less 'skill' and more beat your head into the wall till you break it or it breaks you... like you said, its insanity in all but name
i had the same problems when i tried chimps on sanctuary, personal strategy didn't work, dead end at round 98, after hours and hours i tried a tutorial, and lost at round 99, never tried again. Pixel perfect tower or dead on random rounds...
I feel that pain....
This is why your my number 1 bloons channel and we have so much in common
Nice job!!
Quincey is to high and the sub is also. The subs range pretty much needs to cover the tracks range on the right bend.
Well done Chom Chom, err I mean Dabloon
IM SO PROUD
God another one of these videos. Oh it's by joel
Pouakai is better Blargh
The legend is here
who should tell him muddles hasnt been considered a true expert for like 3 years :(
Idk tho, i'm pretty bad lol
Workshop is also way too easy
absolute chad, not even reacting to 14:53
He prob didnt even notice
hahah didn't even see it. I would have freaked out
By the way, the pronunciation is poe-ah-kye.
Pou rhymes with low
Ā is a long "a"
Kai rhymes with sky.
Pouākai
If you can do it gold, cant you do it black?
the rng makes this game so unfun and actually bad
That is why I try to avoid these types of maps usually. bums me out
YOU HAVE 5,000 HOURS AND MISSING ACHIEVEMENTS? You need to get those man
they keep adding more and more each update! lol
Can you post the guide that chom chom gave you
Love your Vids
I play this game to enjoy myself. Getting stressed out over the placement of a damn fictional video game character, and if I fail, that implies I am not a man, defeats the purpose.
I have yelled at this game sooooo many times hahah
Because of the rng on the first 15 rounds I now do the whole chimps on ch editor and once I finish I just copy some 100% guaranteed strategy from yt😈
ngl complaining about expert maps being "too hard" when they're expert maps for a reason is annoying asf. if there weren't any maps that were difficult for some of the best players in the game that would be so underwhelming.
In my opinion, there is a difference between something being difficult based on skill and difficult being based on randomness. If you were to be playing an expert chess player for example, their movements would not be random but with these expert maps you can lose because the druid placed a vine in the wrong spot or the alch didn't buff your tower at the right time which you do not have control over.
@@Dabloon that’s a pretty fair point. the alc buff is definitely not something you can do anything about. i’d probably argue the druid point a little bit but fair enough. my point mostly just comes from that if something isn’t working, it’s usually because you haven’t found a better way. maybe NK didn’t make these maps hard in the right way but there still has to be a level of difficulty that even extremely experienced players such as yourself struggle with.
you used every inappropriate word 🤨
ALL of them!
being this early is all a work of god.
Nobody cares.
I've commented this before but I find it hilarious how obsessed you are with people that say "early" Legit I've gone back a YEAR of Dabloon videos and I will still see your ass commenting "nobody cares" @@Bentheman24
3:46 " Expert maps don't need to be that difficult " That's why it's called an expert map. You're making yourself sound like a boomer...
nah man he’s got a point. how do you get to the point of having a difficult map that if something is a few pixels off then you just lose. that’s a bit ridiculous don’t you think? and boomer stopped being an insult and funny like 3-4 years ago lol
Bro I only have one black border yet I have completed all expert maps on chimps.
Sure
i love your videos but I often find myself leaving early because you make a mistake and you just complain and complain and complain about it . just move on from it don't dwell on it for the next 15 minutes.
that's me lol
This guy is the worst player I have ever seen. Why didn't you use the druid ability?! This kind of people always makes me mad
lol can't use a druid ability on chimps