Roaring Skies Reprint just RUINED Pokemon's Credibility - 100% DESTROYED -
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Credibility : The quality of being convincing or believable. The ability to have integrity and believable statements. Disbursing components of the believability of a source or message.
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Roaring Skies reprint in a nutshell:
A nightmare for investors
A miracle for the players
FeraxGaming no sucks for players too. you realize the players that bought the cards for 20 bucks just saw the cards ev drop to nothing right? like you realize huge numbers of players own roaring skies and now when they go to resell the card they paid 20 bucks for will be worth 2.
you've screwed the players too they own the majority of the product
Don Ziolkowski I am trying to sell one of my decks rn, and this is devastating.
Agreed. Sure reprints are sweet. But once someone drops $50+ on a single card, then sees the value cut in half, they're gonna start second guessing on whether or not they ever want to spend that much money on cardboard again. Sometimes when some people get burned that hard they just quit the game.
Don Ziolkowski Sure, Shaymin may have had a huge price drop, and you may have made a bad investment. But you gotta look at the bigger picture here. What about the average person who is trying to build their very own standard deck? Shaymin is basically obligatory if you wish to succeed in most matchups in the current format, and the old card's price used to drive people off, and now more players are gonna come and join the game. What if you want to get more Shaymins? I myself was trying to get a playset of Shaymin EX so I could build Mega Gardevoir, Mega Rayquaza, and many other decks, hence why this is such good news to me.
this card game is also a very highly competitive card game and on that level of competition, you will be spending money on every single card to build the perfect decks. So it's common to spend more than a booster box to build a competitive deck just like any card game.
most people playing are not playing for competition there playing with their friends. the reason people are freaking out is not becuase of one card price is too high or that no one can make a competitive deck.
Pokemon does not give a fuck about you.
they did this because the demand of roring skys cantinued to grow to the point that pokemon would make money if they lifted the off print statues of the booster box.
They undermined you and the investors to make a quick dollar or two.
if they really cared about the player such as yourself they would have relesed a special tin for $30 with a promo shaymin and some boster packs. this way we all win but pokemon wouldent be making as much money because they would have to come up with a new box and packaging for this single item for there belovied players.
dont kid yourself man this is a move to make quick cash at the detrament of the investores.
they dident care about the player or investores when making this dicessions. they wanted free easy money.
so today be happy you can get a booster box that was out of print. but tomorrow you may find that no one is carrying Pokemon because there are no stable long-term investments for stores.
The market exists as a whole the primary market, the secondary market and the vintage collectors market. so if you ignore 2/3rds of that market then you're shooting yourself in the foot.
Who has a home phone in 2017? That's the real important question.
Derium's Pokemon well I mean he's got more than just a single home phone
Derium's Pokemon what do you think about this being reprinted. Do you think it's affects the creditability of Pokemon?
Derium's Pokemon pretty much everyone who had one 10 years ago, most likely with a Internet&TV bundle. There is some utility. You can give the number to people you don't need to talk to right away and filter people who call your cell.
this is probably his business phone? he isn't going to pay for a cell phone plan for his work
Derium's Pokemon Me
pokemon has always seemed to care for the player and not the secondary market.
winnkey sp format says lmao
that was an exception along with GG.
The market exists as a whole the primary market, the secondary market and the vintage collectors market. so if you ignore 2/3rds of that market then you're shooting yourself in the foot.
if they really cared about all the people who invest in Pokemon and their players they would have made a tin with Shaymin for $25.
but they wanted free quick money.
they don't need to invest in making a new card with new artwork and placing it in a tin. when they simply can lift the out of print status of their boxes for free and print them with no extra work needed.
the demand of roaring skies is huge and Pokemon got greedy and brought it back into the primary market totally screwing up their investors.
Short term gain usually ends up horribly for the players down the line who do enjoy playing and collecting.
Thats a good thing, finally a company that cares more about the players then greedy holders who love nothing more then to control the secondary market and artificially spike the price. My opinion to this situation, fuck the collectors and holders. Card games are about the players and the the gaming experience. Players for life
Ty Smith this isn't the first time they've reprinted a set, and a shaymin tin would also kill roaring skies
Rudy what happened to your "No Pants" policy.
Mrtfarrugia this was such big news that Rudy had to put pants on.
technically their pj's
I dig the jammies-- the first few minutes had my chest hurting from laughter =D
I had to make an exception in this video, since i wanted to look "casual" with the feet on the Urza's Legacy Boxes :-)
Alpha Investments Your tuxedo print boxers were in the laundry weren't they?:-P
rudy is wearing pants CREDIBILITY RUINED
I don't feel any remorse when I see tcg finance investors whine over cards getting reprinted.
RUDY IT'S TIME TO START LETTING YOUR PATREONS BUY POKEMON FROM YOU.
IT. IS. TIME.
Doktor Katuhstrofik how many comments are you going to leave with all caps?
Rabbit's Foot ALL OF THEM AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME BABY
Doktor Katuhstrofik loser
Doctor K,
Rudy has already had a limited Patreon buy on PkMn... I'd be disappointed if PkMn were the item of the Month.
If you truly like PkMn TCG, let me know your interest in old stuff. I'm not interested in new PkMn and hope Rudy doesn't make it the only item for a month.
All I am saying, is that Rudy is a businessman, and I've been watching his video views and comments. I'm sure he has seen them too. There is money for him (even if only marginally) to make if he offers 1 magic set per month + 1 pokemon set per month for his patrons to mix and match.
How long do you think it will last if he only offers the newest latest shit show sets MTG is releasing?
His backlog is impressive to say the least, and Rudy knows I love him (I hope), I've purchased boxes and shirts from him. However, he can really capitalize on two markets here and if he is who I think he is, he wants to really give to his people, and offer an alternative to taking the bus to hose town every time someone wants some good shit.
I'm shitfaced though. I don't know what I am saying right now. I hope this makes sense in the morning.
Thank god it's getting reprinted, having expensive cards in the meta is never a good thing because it creates some kind of paywall between players and that's not cool.
Remember Tropical Beach? That card was very expensive and very limited, but Shaymin? It shouldn't be that expensive since it's just an EX card from a regular set.
P0k3rm4s7 unless your a player who owned roaring skies, then your 500 dollar deck just dropped to 2 bucks. but yea great for the players
That's true, it sucks for the people that invested a ton of money in a deck, but that's how everything works, we know a card will drop in price one day, specially meta cards like Shaymin. Landorus EX Full Art was really expensive (Maybe 60-70$) during the Furious Fist era, now it's pretty much worthless.
P0k3rm4s7 no we don't, cards will retain value if you hold them and the supply drops off.
yes there will be an initial drop like a 63 corvette will be worth less in 67, but more in 97.
the real problem is they could have fixed this simply by doing a reprint of a few cards. the problem really was a few cards, by making a small 20 dollar tin with some key promo cards they could have kept both markets happy
P0k3rm4s7 no we don't, cards will retain value if you hold them and the supply drops off.
yes there will be an initial drop like a 63 corvette will be worth less in 67, but more in 97.
the real problem is they could have fixed this simply by doing a reprint of a few cards. the problem really was a few cards, by making a small 20 dollar tin with some key promo cards they could have kept both markets happy
I won't argue from a collectors perspective because I'm not a collector, as a player I know meta cards will drop in value when they get reprinted, the meta changes or they stop being legal in tournaments (Now we have expanded, which is great because it gives more value to more cards).
I can see why collectors and hoarders are mad, I totally respect that, but having the whole set reprinted is amazing for players, people will get more Rayquaza, Sky Field, Shaymin, etc.
Who do you think is more important for TCPi? The people that goes to the tournaments and buys new boxes and boosters and interacts with the official tournaments or the guys that buy 50 boxes and just keeps them in a closet just because "It might have more value in the future".
Like I said, I respect collectors, I just wanted to share a different perspective, sorry if I sound like an asshole at some point!
"Don't buy large amounts of sealed products"
"Yeah, I'm probably going to buy a couple hundred boxes of Roaring Skies."
Well, this is why people told you that Pokemon wasn't good for investments. They do not care about the secondary market. They care about the PLAYERS.
I'm sorry this comment aged so bad LOL
@@HyperNexusYT granted what happened during the 2021 season set releases was extremely unusual and unnatural for the pokémon card game. Sealed product does go up over time but the amount of gains that every product experienced is an unforeseeable event.
Mass investors that take away from the player base are the only ones that gonna be upset about this.
You know it's going to be a good video when Cocoa Puffs are involved.
low-tier cereal
tier-1 cereal
Should we invest in Cocoa Puffs now??
Torik Redguard I read you comment first and thought now way, he will not get the cocoa puffs. And then he did. Blew my mind lmfao
These are games. Games are not an investment. If you want to invest go buy stocks. The games producer will do things to make money. They don't make anything from the secondary market. If they can make money they will do it. It's business 101.
So, as with Magic to an extent, their choice is either help the players get cards and actually play the game or help people who put more money into it and sit on the product so that the actual players can't afford the game. Huh
EDIT: If you're going to come here and try to have a convseration, please do, but if you're going to say irrelevant drivel and spew insults to people with a different opinion than you, please stop looking both ways before you cross the street. And go for a walk.
DCAMM720 so the problem with this is that players actually want the secondary market too. if you opened a 90 dollar booster and the value of everything in it was 5 cents a card. you'd probably be not that happy.
also that's not a collectible card game, that's a basically you buy a box you get 4 copies of everything in it kind of thing.
players want to be able to sell the cards they don't want. they want also to be able to purchase individual cards and if Rudy for example had to sell individual cards for 5 cents a piece, he just wouldn't sell them. it wouldn't be worth sorting, listing, picking and shipping eaches at five cents a card. it'd be like trying to convince a toothpick factory to drop ship you a box of picks. if they had to sell by the box. they just wouldn't sell them.
if wotc or Pokémon etc lose the secondary market. if no one wants to hoard them, that means by definition the cards have no value, if they have no value then it's not a ccg.
if every card is worth a nickel then wizards might as well just take 80 bucks and sell you the whole set because the only way for wizards to justify selling you a box for 90 dollars is if it contains 90 dollars worth of value.
if the secondary market doesn't exist it's bad it means the product doesn't have value. if people don't hoard this product at all. that's bad.
wizards needs people to buy it to play but also to hold because that increases the value of cards. it let's them sell 1,000 boosters but since only 500 enter circulation the actual value of the cards in circulation remains high because not everything they printed entered the market.
it's like we sell debt to China and pay it back with dollars they sit on. the dollars we give then don't enter the market, making the dollar strong.
it's good for wotc bottom line selling boosters, increasing the value of each for msrp and for the players whose cards cost more but are worth more.
very well put and written far more nicely than I would have. some people are just childish retards that don't understand these basic concepts, but want everything for free.
They can help the players get access by releasing sought after cards in special sets/tins with alternate art etc. Reprinting actual old sets card for card is the problem here.
@Don Ziolkowski
The logic is overall solid in your argument and I'm pretty familiar with all that btw. There's just one thing wrong with it. I don't know a SINGLE person, who plays the game (be it mtg, pokémon, or whatever), and has that so called need for knowing their cards are worth money. My friends all want to pull Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, not because it's worth 25 dollars, but because they want to play with it, they want it in their decks. People only want to know their cards are worth money because they paid high amounts to get them in the first place. I, for instance like Force of Will and because the whole "fow is dying" buzz, cards are way cheaper to get nowadays. I don't care if the card I'm buying is worth pennys, because I'm going to PLAY with it, and if the card was at 100$ I wouldn't even have bought it in the first place. Btw, that's the central point here. Regular people, PLAYERS, people who just wanna have access to the cards and play and have fun with it, couldn't care less if the cards are not "worth" a lot, because that means they can get their hands on them in the first place. The only people who cares if a card is worth zillion dollars are people who have the means of obtaining them in a a much easier fashion them the regular people cracking like a single booster in a lgs on the weekend so they can make money on them. I told this in another Rudy video (I think it was the one about the Nissa vs Ob duel decks) and I will say it again here. If the game has to give in to the whole "hoarders/investors" community in order to be succesful and thrive, then it's the very concept of how they make business that is wrong. They shouldn't have to depend on hoarders to be succesful, they should have to depend on PLAYERS. It baffles me that people don't see the insanity in the fact that when a game like Force of Will, finally starts being accesible for anyone who wants to go and play the game with any card/deck they want because they're cheaper, it is considered a failure. It's completely INSANE. When people actually can play the game because cards are not artificially inflated, it's a sign that the game is "dying" and should be buried at once? That's a sign right there that the whole model with tcgs and ccgs are fucked up and should probably be revised.
ccgprime It's only a problem for investors and hoarders. not a problem for me. :)
You know what surprises me about this?
This just LEGITIMIZED WoTC and their 2nd print run of EMA. TPC just made a HUGE business mistake; they may have accidentally just saved MTG from its steady decline.
can you explain to me that 2nd print run and the legitimization of it? I'm interested in more Magic history.
TheOrian34 mtg just recently did this kind of with eternal masters set.
except according to rudy his info is they didn't really reprint wotc withheld first print run boxes to release later.
that's per rudy
I don't think Nintendo cares about the secondary market at all. They're making so much money it doesn't matter at all to them if they lose a very small percentage of their player base the invest in sealed product. Most of their customers are kids who want to just play the game.
If you think this is bad you should look at KoA's yugioh reprint policy. Investing in yugioh product is not possible.
DrK Nintendo isn't in charge of the card game. FYI
Jazzo44556 Really? I know they don't print and distribute the cards but they still own the rights to them according to Wikipedia. They probably make all of the major financial decisions.
Holding the Copyright and taking executive decisions are very different things.
Just remember Pokemon Go and how Nintendo's stock went through the roof for a second when this game exploded. Then investors realized that no, Nintendo is not directly responsible for Pokemon Go and they were getting all its income, not even the most part of it.
The secondary market is _the_ reason why they're reprinting XY-Roaring Skies and not sets *before* or *after* it. Yes, Pokémon is a game that consists mainly of casual collectors, but XY-Roaring Skies is incredibly expensive because of _competitively viable cards_, and in this situation, The Pokémon Company International (TPCi) had to either appeal to the competitive buyer, or the investor lol, which shows they have a knowledge of how the secondary market is doing and they had to make a decision. For the (small) player-base, the majority of them are pleased by the reprint of the set because before it, the game was "unreasonably" expensive to play. Rudy is upset that the company shot investors into the ground. Many TCGs do this, and for a while, believed Pokémon wasn't capable of doing such a feat, and is now upset that yet another card game reprints sets that indirectly shoots investors down.
And... the Pokémon franchise in general is operated mostly independently from Nintendo, although Nintendo does have some level of influence over the franchise. TCG-wise, the most Nintendo ever does is handle the distribution and maintain a sanctioning body in remote countries like Russia and Australia. If Nintendo handled the TCG, I don't think they'd know how the secondary market is doing to make this decision to reprint the set in the first place.
Two Rudy videos, two times the giggity
lol, rudy is salty. :) zero credibility lost, he just got burned.
someone didnt watch the video lol
IMO as long as it remains in the standard format, it should be in print, only when it rotates out should it leave print.
exactly
LOL LOve when speculators get taken to the tool shed. Pokemon is a kids game. Not for you to horde boxes. Good on Pokemon for thinking of their customers first.
The Floating Eye it's not really a kids game anymore like %90 of its players are 13+ I'd say about %40 are 13-18 and about %50 are 19+
The point still stands. Hoarders deserve this and it's fantastic.
This guy is acting like the companies owe him something because he chooses to manipulate the secondary market. Entitled greed and nothing more.
Lol not really To get a full set of perfect Pokemon cards in a series is so hard to do with the odds so slim it is technically Illegal to sell Pokemon in the UK as it goes against the UK's fair play and gambling laws. Did you know that Pokemon actually has over 13 grades of cards they print, they actually print cards with flaws in them to make the odds of getting 1 perfect condition common card in a case of 6 new sealed boxes is in the billions. To get a full set of perfect cards from 1 series is impossible as there is not enough time, money or cards in the world to actually do this. we are talking about Googleplex numbers here as the odds. Pokemon CCG is very much for adults and collectors. The Nintendo games are just to get kids hooked on the franchise and to start buying cards to make collectors of Adults. I have seen a person open a full sealed pallet of 1 series of Pokemon cards and still not get a full set of the whole series nor all of the rares, foils, reversals, gems, metallics and multi-part cards.
Love it. Stop hoarding boxes. Cards are meant to be played with
I love this decision, let players play the game they are the customers that matter. The dudes that buy this stuff just to put it in their closet and "make an investment" aren't the important customers.
meanwhile your lgs makes what, a $5-10 profit on boxes that are at that low of a price? with an average overhead being somewhere in the $10-30k radius? you realise you cannot play pokemon at walmart, right?
Investors are what ruins the longevity of card games. They did this specifically to screw them and get them away from their product. This is a good thing
HOLY SHIT WHAT IF WIZARDS IS STILL BEHIND POKEMON AFTER ALL THESE YEARS.
Regardless of it ruining ROS' value, We badly needed a Shaymin Reprint, Its unobtainable due to price to most players despite being in almost every deck.
What's up guys...scarce here and we've got a double upload today
MTGHeadQuarters I hope I still shit post as well as you when I am your age your beardness
Customer: "...Why are there Cocoa Puffs in my Pokemon box?"
Hearing about all the rumors about this reprint I quickly searched Rudy's page because I knew he'd have something to say about it... 'video posted 1 minute ago'... You did not dissapoint
thumbs up if you think that the Secondary market sucks and you don't care for it (hence, when you open your product it will have a value of 0).
The most ridiculous thing about this entire reprinting is that they're literally reprinting it because the players need ONE card from the set and Pokemon isn't just releasing that card as a reprint or a promo.
This is just greed monster at its finest.
It isn't a complete upside... while it would be nice and convenient to get Shaymin-EX as a standalone collector's box promo with the original set symbol on it (or not; it doesn't matter, but they can't really make a unique promo since it has no alt art), since Shaymin-EX is literally the reason why XY-Roaring Skies is expensive, it may actually make the set fall even harder and upset investors more, since in the current situation, people would continue to buy XY-Roaring Skies boxes, and in your situation, there wouldn't be a need to open any. The other cards in the set has been run down to oblivion from the number of boxes opened.
If TPCi wanted to cater to investors, they would have to ignore their player base's pleas to reprint Shaymin-EX and wait until it rotated from Standard. It would hurt their competitive buying market.
I think they may want it out of rotation on the next rotation so not adding it to a new set, & adding the card to a promo tin or pack would of tanked it's value even more pissing off collectors more
+Marcusjnmc I said that they could just print the original set number as a promo (ex: Gengar-EX Box), but it would still reduce the price and price of XY-Roaring Skies to oblivion so whatever.
3:05 Just.. that image of Rudy hunched over a desk eating Cocoa Puffs, staring at the camera completely dumb founded. It is now seared into my brain forever.
if they do this to non-standard print sets then you can really panic.
they didn't lie. they said it was out of print; they never said it will forever be out of print. things can go in and out of print multiple times. if you think a company saying "this IS out of print" means it will always be out of print, that's kind of your own fault. unless a company specifically says they will never, ever print said item again (being out of print does not mean that) there is always a chance it will come back.
I don't understand why Pokemon didn't just release a Shaymin tin or something. Shaymin is the main reason people want Roaring Skies. 50$ a pop is a little too steep for people like me. It would have saved investors a lot if they just did that.
I have an idea why they're reprinting Roaring Skies (or insert anything in here really). The companies don't want people turning current or recently released products into investments and hoarding them. The companies want people to play the card game. Players can't do that if there's not enough supply and investors/speculators are hoarding low supply items to make personal profits. That's not why these companies make these products. Thus, print the sets/products into oblivion.
I guess this is karma against investors over-hoarding an out of print set still in tournament play. If the player base can't get their hands on product at all because stores are all hoarding and speculating, there's gonna be a reprint even if they've gone out of print. There's only so far you push the market until the market pushes back. It's economics 101
People be smart about buying boxes. Dont buy em when theyre up in value... Just preorder the damn things like I do. Its way cheaper and youll never take a loss.
Get back to playing Drug Wars on that TI-83
But for real, this is some BS to collectors. Makes me second guess MTG at the same time. Fire up those printers from 1993! We're going to bank mad stacks off some Alpha!
Aren't you holding CharizardEX boxes with some Roaring Skies boosters?
Wow I remember that game, drug wars was the shit back in grade school
You made the right choice in investing in specialty product only.
Pokemon prints consumer demand. Pokemon is not Magic. Pokemon is not a bitch to #MTGfinance. And "finance" is not a part of Pokémon consumer demand. (Thank God!) Pokemon > Magic as far as player friendly.
Now these were good Rudy videos ! Lmfao this was genius !! This didn’t age well magic 30th wizards reprinted reserve list lol 😂
Urza's LEGacy as a leg rest! You're a goddamn genius Rudy.
LOL the Pokémon market and target audience is for Children. Literally! This was stated by Nintendo. They don't give a fuck if hoarders decide to value it. Remember the WOTC cards? They cared! So the PSA 1st edition cards are literally 100$-1000$ dollars. But Nintendo changed it. Parents do not want to spend 500$ a deck for little Jimmy to have fun. Go to Magic the gathering if you want to Invest. Nintendo doesn't care about the rants. They want kids to play. It's literally been this way forever. That's why they even print boxes with Keldeo reprint promos etc... they even release a full reprint deck so kids can buy it as promo.
LOL WHEN THE MEWTWO BOXES GET TRIGGERED
Pokemon is for playing. professorial hoarders hold zero merit in the eyes of the product manufacturers. you can't be a bottom dweller and then complain when they scrape the bottom clean of scum. Pokemon should have no concern for the secondary market, it doesn't affect their bottom line. does it?
they basically just reprinted the base set (again) and nobody lost their marbles.
Quite possibly the dumbest move since Eternal Masters was ‘reprinted.’ In order to have a stable primary market the secondary market MUST have consumer confidence which leads to stability. Notice I didn’t even use the word ‘investor.’ This was just plain stupid!
Since I play with cards and not colect them, I don´t have any problem with that.
Who's here in 2024 due to Rudy's video XD
people shouldn't be investing in card games to begin with
Great video. It doesn't show Pokémon is losing credibility. It is just showing that Pokémon prefers to get their product and their cards into the hands of their players. Since companies like WOTC (MTG) and Pokémon (Nintendo) make zero on singles sales and the secondary market why not reprint? If there is still demand, why not reprint to make more money and increase profits? These are collectible card games. You collect them, and play with them. If values of singles go up, great. If not, oh well. These games are meant to be played not hoarded, not invested in hoping for prices to rise. This just takes cards out of the players hands. Props to companies that do this. I think that companies are figuring out that if more money is to be had on a set, they should be the ones making that money.
i mean, its a trading card, you're supposed to play with it, not hoarde it, so i don't really think we can blame them for making that decision, Same goes FOR Eternal masters, something that's out of stock should be reprinted in order for players to get some cards, with prices being too damn high *Insert meme.jpeg here*, its less accessible for them, look at Vintage, yeah its fun, for the 4-5 players who can ACTUALLY F*CKING AFFORD IT,
anyway, that's my viewpoint, as someone who see TCG as a game and not a Financial investment, i understand that some people might agreee or disagree with my particular viewpoint, but that's one of the things separating us from mindless slaves, we all have opinions,
What this could also mean is that the Eternal Masters """""Reprint""""" is actually a reprint.
I feel sorry for the guy that bought the $250 box on January 3rd. Probably more for the seller if the buyer has remorse and tries to return it.
2022 and they're back to 400+ a box... like you always preach - stay the course and the wealth just moved to people taking the risk... i'm a learning timmy :) love you
It's good that Pokémon Company did this because at end of day TCGs are to be played and have fun with instead of being hoarded in hopes of making money. Pokémon TCG is no different in that sense. Of course best case would be finding solution that keeps both players and investors happy but finding that middle ground is not easy task. So that leads to one customer base being favorite over other. As much as single cards are needed on market what won't help that is people hoarding unopened booster boxes.
Players first.
This is essentially what happened to YuGiOh.
...and it was a good thing.
how? The mega packs? lol
Actually, I wish Wizards did this. Nintendo did a good job.
This video didn't age well. 5 years later and those boxes are worth a ton.
Hitting $600 end of 2023 on TCG player.
As an investment standpoint, this is crazy and I would be mad AF at Pokemon, like to the point of calling them and such....
But as a player, Shaymin-EX is a staple in 90+% of competitive decks with a $60+ for the regular art one is ridiculous. I would almost expect pokemon to make a Shaymin-EX tin or something, but this is a good choice too.
They absolutely can reprint whenever they want. Investing is a gamble. If a company sees the market getting greedy and making money off product they could be. Then they have all the right to make the profit themselves and help the player base. Wotc is just figuring it out that the hoarders and investors weren't making them the real money. The secondary market was hurting the player base and driving people away. The second wave of ema proved they were doing something to punish hoarders and help players. I hope to see more of this in the future.
yea I was pretty happy about this. I collect to just collect not for investments so this was a win!
people seem to forget that this channel is made to give you a perspective from investor/tcg store that holds product. You already know what this means for a regular player since you are one. He is just saying that from investor point of view this bad.
Sorry to hear some people hurt by this reprint, but rampant speculators exacerbate inflation & instability of markets. Alpha Investment's has a very strong bias in terms of how to perceive this event.
i think the reprint is terrific. it's a game, not an investment.
I miss these wilder Rudy videos, it is good to look back from time to time
I've asked a similar question on a previous video, but why should the company make their product more scarce to appease people who are hoarding it? If people cannot buy the cards to play the game then the came will not grow and the player base would eventually die down. Hoarding boxes and selling them for twice their worth could not possibly be healthy for the growth of any game, so why should Nintendo or Wizards care about such things?
Voxx Skies they actually are healthy for the game and essential for its growth. Point to collectible games with valueless pieces that succeed. None exist. 1 "investor" is worth more than like 1000-10000 players in the company's eyes. Why? How much they spend. If you promote fraud(which is frankly what both companies did as they officially said "out of print" then printed again) to make money then you have some messed up morals in my books. Value increase is necessary for any game of this nature to survive. Players don't like it but it's not all about them. The economic illiteracy in this comment section is flatly disappointing.
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"Players don't like it but it's not about them" Is not how a company should approach a game. It is not fraud to say "We are currently not printing this set" and then see that there is a demand from the player base and say "Ok, we'll print this set". And "Investors" don't equal 1000-10,000 players either, just because they buy large quantities of product, they are just stores that leach product from the market and create unnecessary scarcity that in turn creates a barrier to entry that continues to grow higher. If they were equal to 1000-10,000 players they would help spread the game, get new players started, and actively try to grow the game rather than turn it into mtg by hoarding and jacking prices on the staple cards of formats.
A secondary market is necessary, but it is just that, secondary. Complaining that the company printed more of a set so players can get cards that were too expensive previously is rediculous.
On the note of games with "valueless" cards, why don't you give an example of one that did have valueless cards? Surely it couldn't be that the games with valueless cards don't have other, bigger reasons why they failed, and that because of these reasons nobody wanted them thus leading to no value on the cards. Such as being a boring cash-in on a popular franchise, or being made by people who don't know how to make an interesting game, or even... That the game was attempting to slip into one of the niches already filled by a currently existing card game while making no attempts to distinguish itself or make meaningful improvements to the genre of cardgames. For example, hearthstone, a game where none of the cards you collect have value in any way has plenty of clones which have failed due to making no meaningful attempts to expand upon the genre.
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Printing additional sets to make up for scarcity created by collectors is not fraud when "Out of print" may just mean "We are not currently printing this set". The secondary market is necessary to spread the game but is secondary to the player base. Finally name one "valueless" card game that failed specifically because of the lack of a secondary market and not because the card game had major flaws that prevented a player base from being generated.
Voxx Skies One? Try dozens upon dozens that failed for that reason. They did not say "currently out of print" they said "out of print" as in every single one that will exist already does. Artificial scarcities are part of a market and healthy. They just show there is money to be made in it and thus have capital go into it. And yes Investors are worth more than players. Go get friends in the game. When your friend spends multi thousands on their products then they can be equal; until then not even close. Money is what WOTC wants not likes and shares. You cannot run a company on good publicity. As for helping players: they hurt players in the long run as this will hurt the game and when the game collapses everyone loses. It's funny how players hate one of the biggest and most important parts of their game that also sell them the singles they want to buy. And no one has an issue that WOTC wants money but if the middleman who aided you does he is a demon. Such inconsistencies.
Still better acting then SNL
Thats what happens when investors ruin games. 70$ for a card is stupid. Serves you right
RIP pokemon side investment rudy
Looking at the way Pokémon company and Nintendo has operated in the past, this isn't too surprising. They always want a player friendly environment in all of their games such that they don't have an entry requirement for players to join. Looking at the standard scene, you have shaymin that comprises somewhere between 30-70% of cost for most competitive decks, and Rayquaza is also a tier 1 deck that is seeing its price rise as well. Obviously this sucks for investors and collectors, but like others have mentioned, this isn't even the first time we've had a reprint of a set.
I never understand how players can only see the benefits they receive. The players never seem to realize they don't buy from the companies directly, they in large part buy from their local game stores, which are taking a hit from decisions like this. The local game stores clearly do not lose as much compared to investors, but probably can not afford to lose anywhere near the amount most investors can. I assume some people will bring up the fact receiving these new boxes will bring in revenue, but the investment of boxes at a premium price will still be lost. The money that people are capable of spending is finite, decisions like this lead not only to the deterioration of pokemon's credibility, but the businesses that choose to sell these cards, host events, and promote this game may choose not to continue.
get over it... a trading card game is supposed to be played not beeing piled up...
Isn't this reaction to the reprints for pokemon the same that created the reserved list in the first place? An out dated list that holds people out of formats and playing other formats like edh on even ground as people who have reserved list cards. idk Isee side for both arguements but reprints are needed for every card game to thrive. 350$ for a underground sea... heart breaks.
EVOLVING SKIES. Wondering if we'll see this happen to ES..... we shall see
I can feel for all sides of this argument. Pokemon as a company wants this game to thrive, and we see that. Players want to play too. I don't have a problem with investors who "flip" the product immediately. Just those who "sit on it" hoping that over time, they have something good. Rudy buys, sells and "flips" often. He's pissed and he should be. But those who "sit" and don't play, keeping it away from players PERIOD, kill the game. They don't play with the cards. If the people who "sit on it" were to play with the cards, maybe they can enjoy it more as a game. And understand that the TRUE VALUE is as a game to be ENJOYED AND PLAYED WITH.
Rudy enjoys it as a game, he picks stuff we want (usually) and sells it, so he helps DEDICATED players. But the "hoarders" gotta go. If I can't pick up a card, and I want to play...versus a guy who has 40 copies and doesn't play at all...who really helps the game? Me, because I want to play it. One player can get another and so on. Developing a community. Hoarders want to develop their wallets.
Which leaves me with begging for cards. You guys got any dead games for me? I want them for artwork and to play. Not profit, not proxies, not to sit on. I just want to enjoy that game that died. As long as its free. And I'm fine with begging. My cash is gone, and I go to a library to post online. Somebody help me out. PLEASE!
What would happen if there existed a business model where you could just order the cards you want to be printed? no boosters or collecting, just playing the game with the cards you want. The business model would work by releasing new cards to encourage people to order them to adapt to the new meta.
This could be good or bad, but so many shops, investors and companies are purchasing every reprint available so that the common buyer can't get their hands on them causing the price reduction to come to a hault at some point. I've already seen reductions to 200$(cdn) so if there is just this one reprint and all of them are already bought out, the price will probably still rise again due to good cards available in the packs and the availability of these cards still. Things will be good for new players and those wanting to build/finish collection if it's a constant reprint for a while. This is going to be interesting.
Shaymin is not going to suddenly tank below 30-40$. It is going to probably go down to around there and then when the set stops the reprint it will stabilize around where it is at.
I fucking love your humor dude, lost my shit at the cocoa puffs.
low key Rudy reacts to roaring skies like I reacted to Trump actually winning.
Pokemon did this before. A while back, Plasma Storm was the set that was overpriced and sold out everywhere because of the cards were in such high demand for tournaments. Then Pokemon printed another massive wave just like this.
I understand why people horde collectable card games, but as a player, it sucks that so much product it intentionally withheld from circulation, resulting in artificial scarcity.
I wish stores could realistically make money on selling product rather than hording it.
I personally couldn't care less about the value of singles. I wish I could have $5 dual lands and just play them. I just want to play these great cards in this great game. It is just cardboard and a lot of fun.
DONT INVEST IN PACKS OF ANY TCG. PERIOD.
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What kind of camera/audio setup are you using? Sounds amazing.
This is nothing special for pokemon, I am surprised you didn't expect this to happen with pokemon. Especially after your states feelings on YGO and FoW. MtG is the only product that has official company care about investors.
It's cute that you think the reserved list will never be re-assessed.
I am not sure why this showed up on my front page in 2023, but Roaring skies is doing great right now.
Anyone collecting Pokemon for financial gains was hosed from day 1. The creators of Pokemon announced decades ago that they will intentionally reprint anything that goes up in value too high. The announcement was made when they converted from a CCG to a TCG. STOP investing in Pokemon people.
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I love your vids. That being said...please no more "That's what she said" and Family guy jokes. You're videos are entertaning w/o them.
Rudy,
#1. Does this help the player base? Its in 'standard' for 6 more months... does this help the average Joe/Jane player? If so, its probably a decent corporate decision.
#2. Will it be like Base Set to Base Set 2 reprint where the difference is clear? This is the MTG approach with reprints like MM, EM, CDR, etc...
#3 What's the timeline for entering 'PoundTown" Can someone simply decline the bus ride and wait 2-5 years and then be 'OK" on their investment?
The first time Pokemon was sold from wizards to Nintendo they flooded the market with product and lost a lot of player base shortly after. This doesn't seem that usually considering Nintendo's entire business model is reprint/repackage on everything
They said its put of print, they didn't say it would never be printed again. Tcpi are a company, they stand to make a profit, same as imvestors, so its in their interest to do it
panic selling at $100 just seems silly, but the TCG is a massively growing scene right now receiving a LOT of investment in its tournament circuit & new players were getting priced out with possibly the single most useful card in the game being out of print for this entire rotation, the company were under a fair bit of pressure to reprint shaymin & this will directly affect tournament attendance positively.
Well, if worst comes to worst, you take all those Roaring Skies boxes and build a nice extension to your Planechase Anthology mansion. An outhouse maybe?
Rudy,
Pokemon does not have a history of treating reprints the way MTG does. Virtually all the demand for Roaring Skies is tied up in demand for Shaymin, and they could reprint that card at any time, in fact they could make it a tin promo. So anyone who was investing in Roaring Skies long term was making a huge mistake.
This reprint for the set changes little to nothing.
So as an avid pokemon player, I can say that Roating Skies probably needed to be reprinted. Pokemon has seen such exponential growth in its player base that there simply werent enough shaymin to go around, and besides 1 deck it is an absolute staple in every other standard deck.
With that said, I agree that this is definitely a game changer in terms of pokemon sealed product investments. While I think sets before B&W are absolutely fine to invest in, every print run from now on comes with an asterisk. However with all of that said, I dont think there is going to be another set that is out of print get another print run
Rudy, seriously, stop implying Force of Will is failing. It's getting better by every set.
I'm glad that the price is coming down. Pokemon is about the gameplay. The hoarders have been artificially hiking the price of Roaring Skies to serve themselves
They literally did it because of the hoarders, there are so many RoS boxes still out there but because they bought so many the public didn't have enough packs/cards, and now was forced to pay insane prices. Of course one can say they should not have taken it out of print then, investors can't take all the boxes if you keep printing. And on an obvious side note: investors have 0 impact on Pokémon as a company, Pokémon doesn't earn any money from the secondary market.
You are the filthy frank of mtg