USS Helena CL 50 - The Machine Gun Cruiser
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- Warship Guide - USS Helena CL-50
USS Helena, the 2nd member of the St. Louis class of light cruisers, is quite possibly the most famous cruiser to ever serve in the United States Navy. During night engagements in the waters off Guadalcanal, she blasted away at elements of the Imperial Japanese Navy with such ferociousness and pace that the American press dubbed her “The Machine Gun Cruiser”, as did the Japanese that lived to tell of her exploits. She helped to make the surface fleet relevant again in the new age of the aircraft carrier, and, while doing so, helped give the US Navy the victories it needed in a campaign that was still very much in doubt. She was tragically lost during the battle of Kula Gulf in July 1943.
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Thank you very much for this excellent video about the USS Helena. My shop teacher in Junior High served on the Helena. He was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked and was also on it the night it was sunk. I will always remember him telling about floating in the water awaiting rescue and watching ship mates being pulled under by sharks. He and others that served will always be my hero!
Thank you and God bless that man and his shipmates...I couldn't imagine going through any of that at what 18, 20, 21 or so. Just an incredible crew and a legendary ship. I'm just amazed at the stories I uncover or hear about these guys when I start digging more and researching, along with the stories my viewers tell. Everyday when I walk outside my house and see that flag flying I thank them and say a little prayer. And it's not just them, but all our servicemen from all the branches that have given so, so much so that I can sit here and enjoy my life.
Never understood how someone could call a soldier, who kills people, a hero. That is the worst nonsense I have ever heard.
@@CollateralcoffeeThe purpose of a soldier is to defend those who can‘t defend themselves (Which by the way, judging by your rethoric, includes you). In case of a conflict if it comes to violence, a soldier will do what it necessary to remove the threat, always with the purpose of preventing worse tragedies. Do not mistake soldiers for warriors or killers, unlike the latter, they have no desire for violence, bloodthirst has no place in a reputable military.
@@CollateralcoffeeOn the slight chance you aren't just trolling, I'll entertain your post. Most people who serve aren't there to fulfill some obscene lust for violence and death, they're signing up to put their lives on the line to protect the people and ideals of their home. To paraphrase an oft used saying, They risked their lives, and many gave their lives, so you could have the freedom to have and share the opinion you expressed in your post without legal repercussions. It should also be considered that there was a draft during WWII (not exclusive to that war, it's been used before and since) meaning that his shop teacher quite likely had no choice in his service other than choosing army of navy.
@@Random_Banshee Thank you so much for defending the honor of those who have defended our liberty.
My Father Walter "Woody" Ketchum served in the Solomons on Helena. "The Fightenest Ship." He and his shipmates were brave and well trained sailors. My Dad and other Helena survivors were aided by local natives who hid them ashore until they could be rescued. To say I am proud of my Fathers service aboard the Helena is a gross understatement.
I am proud of your dad too, and all of his shipmates!
Tell him Thank you
Tell your father thank you
I was able to find a copy of that book, "The Fightin'est Ship." I think it was on Amazon. Helena is my favorite Navy ship from World War II. Have you read "Sunk In Kula Gulf" by John Domalgaski? A must-read for all Helena fans. Since your father was one of the 165 survivors rescued from Vella Lavella island, did he talk much about the experience?
0:06 My father served aboard the Helena. He was the youngest Chief Machinist Mate in the navy. He never spoke about the war. He lent me his book “The Fightenist’ Ship in the Navy.’ When I returned the book to him I asked him where he wound up after she was sunk. He told me swam to one of the islands along with other survivors where they were cared for by the natives of that island. He told me that one of the natives had feet “this long” indicating the length of the feet with his hands. Daddy was assigned to the engine rooms. When the Helena was took hits in both engine rooms at different times, he was always in the opposite room. Had he not been, I wouldn’t be here. I have a picture of him in his dress blues. His chest was covered with campaign medals. I never knew any of the story in your video. Thank you for posting it. My son found it and sent it to me.
I hope your father is resting well in heaven with his friends as young as they were when they passed and I thank your family for what its men have given up for us.
If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading "Sunk In Kula Gulf" by John Domalgaski. The story of the USS Helena's sinking and the aftermath.
Exciting and informative episode!
My wife’s uncle, John Ewing, from Wheeling, Missouri, was on the USS Chicago, CA-29, when she was sunk in January of 1943 at the Battle of Rennell Island.
The US Navy needed every available seaman at that time. After a few days in the hospital, Seaman Ewing was assigned to the Helena. Within seven months, Seaman Ewing was sunk twice. Luckily, he survived the war.
The USS Helena & USS St.Louis, sister ships, fought with gallantry and courage throughout the war. My father was stationed on the St.Louis from 1939-1945. He said there was always a friendly rivalry between the two ships, but there was also deep respect between the crews.
My uncle ,Edward Uhlig, from San Antonio, was on the Helena during the Pearl Harbor attack. He died from burns he sustained during the attack.
His shipmates certainly avenged his death , and then some! She was a fine ship with an outstanding crew and did her duty and beyond.
God bless him. I thank him for his service and sacrifice, as well as your family.
What a real bad ass is. What a mean woman this USS Helena, and HER crew. From a member of the 101st Airborne Div. ..GO NAVY!!!!
As the son of a WWII Navy veteran I was glad to read your comment! In football season and in peace time I appreciate interservice rivalries. But in times like these I value even more interservice collaboration and mutual support. We have seen how inept and incompetent rivalry and corruption has made our potential adversaries in the CCCP and Putin's RuZZia. We will need the best from all our service men and women working together -- with the support of all America's citizens -- if we are called upon to defend our liberties and way of life again. May God bless you, and thank you for your service!
My Dad, George Yellak was Ships Company (original crew) when it was built at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, he was on the Helena for the Commissioning, Shakedown cruise to South America where he and some of his shipmates boarded the scuttled Graf Spee , the Pearl Harbor attack, every engagement, and its final battle in Kula Gulf where he was picked up in the water by the USS Nicholas! He was a Fire Controlman (rangefinder) FC/2.
Thanking him for his service is such an incredibly tiny tribute to these of the greatest generation.
Thank him for his service.
If possible. 👍🇺🇲
In the U.S. Navy commissioning crews are most commonly known as "Plank Owners." "Ship's company" is a more generic term used to describe crew that is permanently assigned to a vessel, sometimes referred to as the ship's "complement."
My brother Sam Powell was a steward on the Helena. During battle stations he told me he passed ammo.
My Uncles Charles and Ernest Kelley were stewards on Helena. They both survived both Pearl Harbor and Kula Gulf.
Unfortunately, they have both joined their shipmate in the sky.
They were good people. I celebrate their Heroism.
How nice of him to help serve up lead for the japanese =)
Around the year 2000, I found the after-action reports by Helena's captain and chief gunnery officer from Pearl Harbor on the web. I don't remember where I found them but they are worth hunting for and reading. Both noted the extreme competence of the crew, how damage control parties automatically did what was needed without orders and would request more duties from the nearest officer when they completed a task, while others formed human chains to pass ammo to the A.A. guns. There was a 5-inch crew on board Oglala. When that ship sank, the gun crew swam to Helena, climbed aboard, found an officer and requested duty. Both of the reporting officers said if they were to recommend decorations, they would have to name every single member of the crew whom they observed that day. This was all a credit to her captain and officers, who had thoroughly drilled the crew in damage control procedures, and to the crew who had absorbed and applied that training.
This is what makes a professional navy and crew.
The Navy…. Months and years of boredom. Then 15 minutes of terror
The Solomon’s campaign is amazing. Both the IJN and USN working very far from home at the end of very long logistical tails
AND other allied Navys, Australian, Brit and Dutch.
At 69 I remember as a kid my late brother had a nice model of the Helena but I didn't know much about this ship. Certainly not the nicest looking ship but has a great service record. Thanks for preserving her in history and her awesome brave crew. May God Bless America. NCSWIC.
The Brooklyn Navy Yard built some great ships.
Sailors under battle stress learn and become more capable in the chaos. These super men responded as though they were acostom to these horrors from the standing start of peacetime. Incredible greatest generation.
Thank you for your teachings on these wonderful ships & men. Any WWII history is not only enjoyable but essential. Thank you again. Bless our Vets 🇺🇸🇺🇸
All the "Brooklyn" and "Cleveland" class light cruisers had the 6" Mk.16 L/47 gun. Most "Cleveland" class cruisers could fire 135lbs APHEBCPC rounds, while the "Brooklyn" class used the 105lbs round. The 6" Mk.16 gun used a sliding breech block and brass cartridge cases instead of the screw breech and powder bags of earlier and the Mk.17 guns in the "Erie" class protected gunboats. This was the fastest firing light cruiser gun of WW2, able to sustain ten rounds a minute per gun for a limited time. The only problem was that the large number of projectiles were hard to spot so that corrections to the input data to the fire control computer (rangekeeper) could be made and without flameless powder, the cruiser looked like it was on fire, giving Japanese cruisers and destroyers armed with the Type 93 61cm oxygen-fueled torpedo, which at high-speed setting (50-51 knots) outranged the gun by around 5,000 yards.
Your good.
Good to get in real close, like the bar room brawl.
Incorrect
This sounds like something an AI would write.
@@nathanworthington4451Absolutely. You don't get a range bonus for setting your torpedos to high speed. OP is a GPT at best.
We need to thank her crew who proved the best American weapon was the fighting men.
Extraordinary narration. Thank you.
Thanks for the excellent USS Helena video.....
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Well done.
An unsung hero of the Pacific Theatre. God bless all those who served and/or died aboard the Helena. Rest in peace, brave souls.
The incomparable "Greatest Generation" defending Freedom and their nation.
My wife's grandfather Edwin Deuel served on the Helena, and was on it when it was sunk. We still have the US dollar bill and the Aussie five pound note that he had in his pockets as he floated in the water waiting to be rescued. Both are cover in oil.
I love how you explain everything in great detail!
Wow. The USS Helena was indeed one very badass Cruiser!! ❤
I did know about her being nicknamed, "the machinegun Cruiser" I love that nickname!
I enjoy watching your videos because every single one of them is informative and accurate!
You always do an excellent job!
So Thank you!! 😊
I appreciate very good and succinct videos. This was well done and not embarrassingly embellished.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Agreed. Liked and subbed because of that.
Just discovered your Channel, thank you for your excellent insightful Post ! Looking forward to more posts especially if any Australian content . A significant amount of Operations were conducted with American and Australian Destroyers with the welcome Light Cruiser occasionally . Thanks again and I will see what you have already Posted .
Well produced video! Inspiring story.
Thanks - your creativity is appreciated
My Uncle August, was in that Batttle battle called "Iron bottom bay" while on the USS Astoria, a Heavy crucer, which was sunk, and He survived to the end of the war, and retired
Brave ship, brave men!
LEST WE FORGET 🇦🇺 🇺🇸
I suggest there is something in the soil around Helena, Montana that nutures the local warrior spirit.
Post Civil War, its best beneficiaries were mostly Southern veterans of that terrible war seeking out a fresh start raising cattle & horses. Elmer Keith, a renowned handgun hunter, (creator of the 44 Remington Magnum)was firstly inspired by these expert sixgun, ex-rebel cavalrymen, regarding the American revolver. During the years of WW2, this area of Montana became the training grounds for the joint American-Canadian elite commando unit, First Special Service Force that distinguished itself in mountainous Italy.
So, its kind of fitting USS Helena was nicknamed The Machine Gun Cruiser!
Like Fox Company, 7th Marines holding the Toktong Pass at the Chosin Reservoir, these brave sailors on this magnificent ship probably changed the course of the war. I hope they found some solace in their loss & grief knowing this.
👍🏻🇺🇸✌️🏴🇬🇧 I remember making a kit model of her in the early 1960’s.
My mother's cousin Electrician Mate 2nd Class Richard Dobbins was killed aboard on December 7, 1941. His brother, Seaman 1st Class Albert Dobbins served aboard the destroyer USS Hammon and was mortally wounded while trying to rig a tow aboard the aircraft carrier USS Yorktown during the Battle of Midway.
The exploits of this brave ship deserves to be made into a movie!
I think I put together a Revelle model of her when I was a kid back in the 60s......
That was probably the Baltimore class heavy cruiser USS Helena released by Revell. There has not been any plastic kits of the light cruiser USS Helena nor of the Brooklyn class ships but several resin kits have been released.
One of the Japanese destroyers on Nov. 13 was captained by Tameichi Hara, who wrote in his book that he made a mistake by turning on his searchlight and getting raked by Helena and probably Juneau.
Gonna say, I have this ship in "World of Warship" and it's one of my favorite tier 7 Cruisers in the game.
Outstanding content, quality, production and presentation. I subscribed! Cheers.
I grew up in Helena, graduated from Helena HS (go Bengals!), but this is the first that I'm hearing about the USS Helena.
Sadly our public schools have failed generations of Americans when it comes to many basics in education such as history. I'm glad you were able to find this here, and glad I found it too!
Captivating. Really well done!
You should check out the story of HMAS Perth.
Great video! Love anything about the fighting ships of our Navy, in WW2!
Very good. Thank you.
My uncle Joe Dysken went done with the Helena
Great video. Thanks for sharing
Awesome, thank you!
Liked and subbed. Thank you , and job well done!
Good Video & History That Matters. Thank You.
Excellent.
Excellent Video and content!
how heroic, presented with such passion...
sarcasm...
Excellent 👍🏽
Great documentary 👏🏻
Great content
Great video thanks
Thank You For this video Awesome keep showing your video s
Great story. God bless her crew and all the allied ships that fought in the Solomons.
Good content, subscribed
My God father, Stanley Drozdal, served on the Helena. He never talked about it. Was injured ,but never wanted compensation. A humble hero .
Great narration made me subscribe thanks
A great ship, and a great story.
Excellent video!
What a great story.
Great video.
Thank you!
"WOW" great ship.
Very good video what a ship such a pity she went she should be here for all to see,,,
Those hero's should never b forgotten.
Admiral Ainsworth had just taken command of that task force and, incredibly had never heard anything about the type 93 torpedo and was not yet aware that when you see Japanese destroyers leaving the scene then a salvo of Long Lances were likely on the way. Ainsworth was in good company because nobody in the USN yet knew just what the Type 93 was capable of and were only about now beginning to realizing what the Mark 15 was, for the most part, not capable of. Kula Gulf just about spent the last of our operational cruisers in the Pacific with damaged ones from the Tassafaronga Ambush gone wrong still in dry-docks and New ones still on stateside shipyard ways.
The night before the Kula Gulf Battle, Japanese destroyers fired a 14 torpedo salvo at a narrow inlet that the destroyer USS Strong was passing through, from nine nautical miles out, and sunk her, setting the torpedo hit record which insofar as I'm aware, still stands. We were still blaming torpedo hits from destroyers out of our radar range on undetected submarines as we had since the Battle of the Java Sea.
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Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong but what the Japanese had at this time wasn't good functional radar on the surface vessels but radar detectors with about twice the range of our radar at that time. At least they didn't have many if any radar sets..They were still using colored smoke to mark their battleship gunnery at Leyte Gulf. Our own were primitive and vessels with a land backdrop were somewhat harder to distinguish for operators still learning it at that early date.. But we had guys like Admiral Willis Augustus Lee who embraced the new tech and overcame it's shortcomings to help make our advantage being in radar directed gunnery to theirs in functional torpedoes
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Those type 93 torpedoes, btw,were just as powerful if you could set them off in their launching tubes. They often became something to ditch in stealthy runs out of losing battle zones.
The Boise, the same class cruiser contributed as much as the Helena. They were both quite formidable.
USS Boise, CL-47 The one ship fleet.
I hope you don’t mind but the Helena and Saint Louis were improvements of the earlier Brooklyn class light cruisers. The Brooklyns had eight 5” 25 cal AA guns in single open mounts and the rear superstructure and mast were positioned further aft. As mentioned in the video, the Helena and her sister had eight 5” 38 cal AA guns in twin turrets. They were slightly different in shape with the later turrets used in battleships, cruisers and Sumner and Gearing destroyers. The aft superstructure and mast were moved forward to present less interference for AA firing arcs. Thank you.
What a warrior.
Fantastic. Thanks for the gun details?
As with many ships my grandfather was on the U.S.S Ticonderoga and went to Tulagi was well have you done a video on it?
When America had God's Blessing Covering & Strategy.
Honor & Integrity...
Is the portside view of the USS Helena (11:23 - 11:53) firing a broadside during a night engagement a painting or a photograph? If it's a painting, what's its title and are prints available?
It's a painting, as to the best of my knowledge no photos of the engagement exist. I have not been able to find where you can by a print of it though.
Ok thanks. Great painting though.@@TheValorVault
Great ship….great men
Go Navy!!!
Weight of fire, the answer to everything.
"Most famous" - Sandy cracks her knuckles
Some of CL-50’s came to the commissioning of the next Helena (SSN 725) in 1987.
My Uncle, Alexander Blake, was on the Helena during the Pearl Harbor attack.
Cruiser with a punch of a battleship.
Nowhere close to a battleship, 152mm guns on Helena vs 356mm guns or even bigger on battleships
Wow
Ferocity
Bravo Zulu, HELENA! ^v^
My Father Was a Maine on Guadalcanal ant Tarawa where he Contracted Malaria and it came back on Him and Killed Him while Hunting he fell to his Death on a New Deer Leash on the 15Dec63 in Grimes County, I was Marine in Vietnam '66 to '70 !! !
Helena was the first ship to down an enemy plane with the then secret 5" proximity shell. I believe it was 3 rounds and a VAL was shot down.
Although not literal in this particular instance, the US Iowa Class Battleships had up to around fifty .50 calibre machine guns, mounted on various points of the superstructure, to counter Japanese Kamikaze attacks.
Yeah. The difference between the US and UK use of Radar - was that the British had developed their techniques and trained their officers in using it - before the war but the US had not. There were 4 radar installations at Pearl Harbor - and they did detect the Japanese coming in - but the Americans were not trained in their use and had not had training in interception of radar targets by their aircraft. Basically - they could operate the equipment - but they didn't now how to use it as part of a larger system.
It wasn't any better with the Navy. They didn't know how to use it as part of a task force and utterly misused their radar early on. Once Officers who knew how to use their Radar began commanding task forces - the Japanese suffered for that.
Those automatic 6 in. guns, 12 to 15 to a ship, just slaughtered destroyers.
Halsey's reputation was based on his decision to go toe to toe with the Japanese. They shot each other to pieces - but - the US could replace their lasses and the Japanese could not.
*_BOTH_* sides lost 24 ships in the Guadalcanal Campaign and Iron Bottom Sound was the most apt nickname of any body of water.
The American decision to take the torpedoes off most of their cruisers - might have mattered more - but the Mark 14 torpedoes were initially so horrible this would not have made much difference.
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"The Japanese torpedo passed astern of HELENA and struck the destroyer O'BRIEN five miles away." That's some torpedo!
Admiral Scott missed the chance for the DD's to fire torpedo's.
Yes did not trust helenas reports of spotting the japanese before the others with older radars spotted them. Missed a huge opportunity to send the torps right where the japanese would be of he fired when asked. He fired to late and they all missed being fired after the ijn instead of ahead of them.
Our torps were crap at this point of the war anyway, and our forces not really trained to use them in night actions.
There is some confusion with the Saint Louis class light cruiser USS Helena CL-50 and the Baltimore class heavy cruiser USS Helena. CA-75. Revell released a model of CA-75. There are no plastic kits of the Saint Louis and Brooklyn class light cruisers in any scale. There are some resin kits. The differences between the Brooklyn and Saint Louis class light cruisers are different enough to make the Saint Louis and Helena their own class of light cruisers. Or listed as modified Brooklyns. Three differences stand out. Secondary AA. The Brooklyns has eight 5" 25 cal DP (dual purpose) guns in single open mounts. But the 25 cal guns were AA oriented but not as good for surface actions when compared with the older 5" 51 cal SP (single purpose) guns. The 25 cal guns were easier to handle with a good rate of fire, but the lower velocity affected range and the trajectory of the shell fell off at longer ranges. The 5" 38 cal was a compromise that maintained ease of handling while offering better muzzle velocity. The Saint Louis and her sister Helena mounted eight 5" 38 cal guns in twin turrets. The aft superstructure and mast on the Brooklyns were placed further aft compared with the Saint Louis and Helena, which moved them forward. This also cleared firing arcs for AA guns. The third difference was the arrangement of the engine rooms and boilers. The Brooklyns had the boilers concentrated together ahead of the engines. The Saint Louis class, like the USS Wasp introduced the unit system for survivability against damage. There were two engine rooms with two boiler rooms for each engine room (the boiler rooms further had a boiler operating station separating the two) A hit on one group could leave the other still operating.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn-class_cruiser
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_St._Louis_(CL-49)
Note wiki lists the two as part of the Brooklyn class bur Friedman in his book U.S. Cruisers lists the two as Saint Louis class light cruisers. Navsource lists the two as modified Brooklyns sometimes called Saint Louis class.
www.navsource.org/archives/04/049/04049.htm
The photo at 16:15 is insane. You've got guys covered in oil and other guys smoking cigarettes around them!
I was picturing a ship like a porcupine. 😂
Gilbert Hoover was thrown under the bus by Halsey. He didn't deserve to be relieved of command.
I wonder how many rounds they could fire through each gun before the barrels needed to be relined.
Nice AI voice. What app did you use ?
Hum must have been a gunners mate dream
Captain Hoover was unfairly blamed for the loss of the Juneau as he had no authority over the force aside for seeing it's safe withdrawal. The sinking of the Oglala was said to be due to fright! It was an old ship and the underwater blast ruptured her hull completely!
She was my dad's 2nd ship
just like the last two i seen on the Hellena...your going to have to step up your game ....us old folk like lots of old pictures the annamation not so much and we old people hate background music..but i think its a good presentation
I could be wrong but I think she was a Brooklyn class cruiser.
St Louis and Helena were they're own class. Were they somewhat similar to the Brooklyn's? Yes, they a similar hull and they same main battery but very different propulsion machinery that was arranged in a much different manner. They also had a dedicated secondary (5in/38's) that none of the Brooklyn's had until Savannah was updated to the St Louis design in late 1943 and the location of their aft deckhouse's is also different. The US Navy has also never referred to a group of warships as a "sub class", it's a term that was coined by historians to describe ships that are similar. But the Navy does not have that term in their vernacular and considered these 2 gals to be a separate class altogether due to the differences I mentioned.
Yes Helena and St Louis were Brooklyn class light cruisers, they weren't their own class despite any differences they had