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It’s hard for me to fully blame a celebrity for only talking about the show/movie they were in when it’s probably all people (interviewers, fans, casting agencies) ask about. Also if I was even an extra in a popular movie I wouldn’t stfu about it let alone a leading role.
When people dedicate 10 years of their life to something, they tend to talk about it a lot. For me the Tom Felton thing and the " I dated Taylor Swift for 6 months " are wildly WILDLY different.
Yeah not to mention Taylor Lautner wasn’t the one leaning into nostalgia to make money off his relationship with Taylor. Taylor was re-releasing her album Speak Now and so decided to bring Lautner back into the fold and ask him to be in a music video as an easter egg to the fans . She invited *him* to bank off nostalgia. Of course that led to people/Swifties/media asking him about their relationship and him answering, but dude’s was just living his best life before doing his own thing, he very much avoids the spotlight. Another thing she didn’t mention is that the woman Taylor that he married is a legit Swiftie who met Taylor Swift when she (his wife) was a kid, so is very on board with the whole Swiftie angle. Lautner is using the temporary Swiftie spotlight to bring attention to other projects (that he’s working on with his wife), but he’s definitely not banking on his relationship with Taylor Swift the way Felton on Ned’s Declassified cast are. Very weird to include him in this. Especially from someone who claims to be a Swiftie and should know all this.
On the complete opposite end, it's remarkable how Danielle Radcliffe was able to meme himself into becoming more iconic than his literal billion dollar character.
To be fair Harry as a character is quite boring, he doesn't has an interesting character so it's really not that hard to out do your character in the personality department
he's also on broadway and I'm so happy he made it big at some point and still found something he can enjoy so much instead of just staying stuck like many child actors do unintentionally
He really cash out as the star of one of the most bankable franchise and say, "Now I'm gonna act on all the weird sh*t I want". So happy he found peace.
Good point! There's people making bank from nostalgia right now and there's such a market for child stars oversharing. I don't judge Tom or Taylor or the Ned's Declassified actors for trying to make money based on the IP they worked on.
I also feel like people don't know how hard it actually is for an actor to be consistently booked and busy. It's hard enough to be cast in anything let alone a main cast of a hit show/movie. For many actors, they get one successful project once in their life and that's it. Especially for child actors like Tom who spent their entire childhood working and not having a normal life since they're like 9, I don't blame them for clinging onto the success if it means to get them by financially. Hell if I was part of one the biggest franchise in history I probably wouldn't shut up either.
@@jimmylu1352 I think about how last year Sydney Sweeney said that she didn't make enough from acting to feel financially stable enough to take 6 months off, and she's one of the most booked and busy people in the industry! So how bad must it be for people like those in the video who haven't had a hit project since childhood??
@@jimmylu1352 especially right now the industry is really mean. It’s not easy to be an actress unless you’re one of the same twenty ppl being cast in everything
The way emma watson and daniel radcliffe managed to just have harry potter and hermione in their resume and just do their own things unless its like an anniversary is actually super cool
@@theshire9173 Thats false. Rupert Grint is still acting as well. Last year he was in that knock at the Cabin movie, hes on this good horror show on Apple Tv plus and he was on a Netflix show the previous year. He does well at it too. I barely think about Ron Weasley when I see him anymore lol Its great how much these three have been able to build a life and career outside of the Harry Potter franchise. Thats not easy to do.
Same with Elijah Wood, Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart. All of them could have coasted on their leading roles in hugely successful franchises for decades, but they decided the see the fame and financial security those roles gave them as the ability to choose less mainstream, but more interesting or just plain weird projects.
I remember watching a video by the girl who played Padma Patil and so many comments were like “you were barely in it, this is so embarasssing,” except she spent 8 YEARS OF HER LIFE as a child/teen on that set. Her not being front and center of that many scenes doesn’t mean it wasn’t a huge part of her life growing up. It was like going to school. Idk it just felt very mean spirited to me.
@@MajorOctofuss "uncool"? sorry you sound like the kid bully at the local playground lol, being cringe is the far from the worst thing a person can do.
@@MajorOctofuss and what's considered cringe is arbitrary and often mean spirited anyway - it's only bad if you're doing something at your own or someone else's expense.
I feel like the opposite of this is more frequent: -Someone has one project become way more popular than all their other work, or makes their name playing a particular role -the public can only think of them as "the guy from ___" -No matter what other work they do or how hard they try, people will only call them the name of their one character, or associate them with their one hit song. The public might even lose sight of them as an individual and just assume they ARE that role. So if you aren't left too emotionally damaged from an early acting role, why not just embrace it? I think it's sweet how, for example, Mark Hamill has done plenty of other things after Star Wars, but he's willing to just roll with being Luke Skywalker when it makes fans happy.
I like this take. Although I think because we've come to expect celebs to want to distance themselves from their prior work that could be a reason why some people feel offput whenever they see the opposite.
@@eren9055poor poor Christian Bale, working at least since Empire of the Sun, being Batman in one (of not the most) of the most successful trilogies of this character and people only remember him for being a psycho as Patrick Bateman. As a little anecdote, I lately learnt about him that he really loves ghibli movies
It would be like having a friend in your 30s who only ever talks about when they were at school. School is a big part of our lives, I went for more than 10 years. But I have things happening now that I’m far more interested in. People get divorced after 20 years and don’t make it their whole personality that they got divorced or used to be married. It’s why I think the “peaked in high school” comparison makes the most sense. We don’t all spend our lives doting on our childhoods and teenage years because, well, we just have better things to do.
@@unruffledhomelandertbh I can see why. When you’re attached to a franchise that big, it can stall you or lead to typecast roles. Daniel Radcliffe honestly went the smartest route and went straight to doing indie films.
I mean they know her more than we do. This is not to say Alexa is wrong about the abuse she has experienced on set. But Alexa might have also done and said some things that was out of the box. We don't know ANY of these people personally.
@@venuslove-i1v So what? They don’t have to talk about her publicly and they definitely don’t have to title the episode that her mother hit Lindsay when that didn’t happen in either version of events. Like, leaving her mother out of it is the most basic level of human decency. Intense and crazy is a bit of a shit thing to say about a person who spends their time protesting and raising awareness for entertainment companies being complicit in child abuse and grooming.
Sometimes the internet acts like being cringe is the worst thing you can be in the world. Like who cares if these actors discuss pivotal work they did as a kid a lot? Just scroll away if it bothers you. I saw in another video on this topic the Ned’s Declassified guy say that he tried to move on with other work, but people always saw him as the character so he thought ‘hey, why not embrace that and look back?’ These actors were put into a predatory industry at a very young age and thrown into some level of fame that must be weird to deal with and (in some cases, maybe not for the actors in this video, but some) even had to deal with being exploited during their time there. If they want to take that experience as an adult and finally have fun with it, then I don’t see the issue. And I’ve also seen instances where a formerly famous person (one example was an actor from a show in the 90s working at Trader Joe’s and a 2000s rapper driving Lyft) gets videotaped doing a regular job and gets clowned for “falling off” or gets treated with pity for working. Like they can’t seem to win with people lol. Can some of it be cringe? Sure, but whatever it’s not like the cringe truly hurts anyone lol. Also, using unemployed as an insult is wack as hell lmao.
Unlike the cast of friends (RIP Matthew Perry), these former child stars don't get to capitalize on the shows they were most famous on through stream revenue. Heck, that was of the main issues of this year's SAG-AFTRA strikes. It's understandable for these actors to make their own profit through other alternatives like self authored books, podcasts and social media platforms. Especially with the current wave of 2000s nostalgia.
Commentary Channels hitting on the same topics coincidentally is an amazing phenomenon that needs to be discussed (preferably by multiple commentary channels coincidentally around the same time).
Good topic. My question is where’s the fine line between cringe-y nostalgia and endearing nostalgia? Because Elijah Wood is similar to Tom Felton in that he was in a huge franchise during his formative years and fondly reminisces of that time. But I feel he falls into the endearing nostalgic category rather than cringe-y. Is it because Frodo isn’t his only notable role and he isn’t begging for a reboot?
it probably has a lot to do with how people look back at both franchises. lotr (and tolkein by extension) are both viewed very fondly. whereas constantly nostagically referencing a franchise that is now sort of forever tainted by the creator’s antics is not going to go down well. maybe it would’ve been different if tolkein had a twitter
I think it’s just that Elijah doesn’t make it his whole personality. Of course if he’s asked about it, he’ll answer but he doesn’t hyper focused on only that, he’s fond of the role that made him big but he has moved forward, same thing with Daniel Radcliffe.
I mean in his defense Elijah Wood is still active in other projects, especially critically acclaimed ones. This is what makes a lot of actors “relevant” and not “has beens”
Nobody is talking about how Robert Pattinson not only isn't remembered anymore as Cedric Diggory in Harry Potter but has successfully left behind Edward Cullen
It’s not stealing and I’m sure Casey would agree lol. We’re commentary RUclipsrs, we cover the same stuff. I had this video done and ready on Sunday, but I had to wait until today to post it for sponsor reasons. We all work on our stuff in advance, if two videos happen to get posted close to each other it’s pure coincidence. I didn’t even see Casey’s video until people started commenting about it here.
honestly i don't blame them, that's the content that works on social media. and people don't realize how many rewatch podcasts are happening right now, like the amount is insane, you it's just a format that works, if you wanna make a bit of extra money, capitalize baby, like I'm all for it. and i hate the narrative of being jobless, just because you were an actor as a kid doesn't mean this is what you want to do. like taylor lautner moved away from public life for a while on purpose and he just happened to come back and do stuff with taylor, like he's not milking it, he's just having fun. people need to stop with the narrative that once you don't have the success that you once did you're worthless, like maybe not everyone wants to be an actor
I appreciate how you ended the video by stating that most folks wouldn’t be Zendaya in this situation. There’s too much main character energy in people sometimes.
In the Hispanic community this is even more problematic, because there's a lot of "canceled actors" doing this. Like Drake Bell. They know that the Spanish speakers will be less aware of their polemics, so they started targeting the community by learning Spanish or making lip sync of their dubbing.
Growing up as a child actor must be mad. They don't choose that life, they can't possibly know what it will entail. If the worst thing they do when they're older is hang on to that character and be cringy, then they're hella well-adjusted. It seems like all the child actors in Harry Potter grew up to be quite normal, and from what I've heard, the production team went to great lengths to ensure some normalcy in their life. Daniel Radcliffe is an interesting example cause he knows HP set him up for life. So now he's just doing whatever the hell he wants, which is all these small but probably really fun and uniwue productions. He isn't doing the serious action star or the heartthrob thing, like many child stars do when they grow up and are desperate to stay relevant. I think Tom Felton just really enjoyed making Harry Potter, it was a huge part of his life, and now is giving the fans what they want. I would guess that he also has more than enough money. It could truly be just a fun thing for him that some people are reading as desperate, nostalgia-brained etc And hey, even if he has some new project, 95% of people just care that he played Draco.
The Ned’s Pod clip in particular very much gave that idea that famous people become frozen at the age they became famous. The facial expressions alone just made for a cartoonishly immature conversation about what should be a normal topic of conversation between adults
I think the biggest reason people kind this all so bad is because we fear it may happen to us. What if we peaked when we were 11 years old? What if the best years of our life are already behind us and we’re barely into our 30s? It’s scary
Hate that I thought Noah was Coconut Head from Ned's for a sec, but love the thought of that guy going around like "yeah I was coconut head, you may have seen my performance"
Once upon a time (2009-2014, age 16-21) I had a blog. A blog which was very much famous where I live (Sweden). It was the most visited blog in my category and I couldn’t go outside without being recognised, I was invited to big events etc. I still talk about my blog to this day. I still talk about my experiences from that time. I can understand how it’s hard to get over something that impacted your life in such a way. I have to admit I miss those times and I’d do just about anything to get back, but I wouldn’t want to “get famous” again on a new platform. I don’t want to work with social media ever again. Loved this video!
I personally enjoyed the Ned's Declassified episodes and like they are so honest and open. After years of having to hold back so much while being a child actor and pretend to be pure to keep up appearances, what do people expect? To add, it's the fans that can't shut up about nostalgia.
I enjoyed it too because yes they're talking about our childhood but they're also adults. Until they brought up Alexa tried to subtlety disrespect her then won't apologize after they got called out. They don't look adults anymore(except daniel he did nothing wrong) but like high schoolers trying to impress the popular kids and it's really cringe now
@@theoutsiderjess1869 I didn't see it that way. Lindsay mentioned how Alexa was a really good friend and a sweet person. It was the black girl that found her to be crazy because Alexa said something she felt was disrespectful about Beyonce. They know Alexa personally and have their own experiences with her. We don't know ANY of these people personally. I do think the Neds crew should address it and apologize, but I also think there are two sides to every story. I do believe Alexa experienced a lot of bullying growing up, but it doesn't mean she didn't do or say things that may have been out of line herself. It's kind of eye-opening how even people who were not on the set of Zoey101 had their own experience with her that wasn't always positive. If Alexa were any other person, we would see a pattern. But because of Alexa's work, we are able to look past some of those things she may have done (and rightfully so because we don't know her personally either). Did she ever address that Beyonce comment she made?
I actually enjoy seeing actors talk about their experiences in the spotlight or in a multi million franchise. It gives a much more in depth perspective of fame and their branch of work, and it also kind of lifts the veil of misticism around fame itself, while casting a light on real issues we need to focus our attention on. It sucks that they are being shamed for being "cringey" when they are doing nothing wrong. I think wanting to separate yourself from a job you did for many years or that was very significant just so people don't judge you for "being stuck" is just as cringe worthy imo. Child actors that branch out are labeled as "problematic" and what not because they try everything to change the public's perception of them (like miley cyrus or daniel radcliff for example). Allowing them to openly talk about their experiences is healing for them and entertaining for the audience, it might not be everyone's cup of tea and that's okay. I truly enjoy the Ned's podcast, I grew up watching the show so now it feels lnice to see the actors moving through adulthood at the same time as me.
Also maybe we can be a bit more kind to former child and teen stars. They worked a lot throughout their childhood makes sense that at 30 they are now able to "retire" and enjoy life.
I hate how current celebrity discourse has equated "cringe" with "bad." Half the time someone gets mocked or disliked for doing something just kind of corny and then it sways public opinion against them. I'm sick of it because it makes my autistic ass even more terrified to say anything in public or risk being branded "cringe." (This does not apply to Tom Felton defending transphobia or Noah Schnapp being a zionist-both of those things are genuinely gross af.)
For what it’s worth, Tom didn’t defend transphobia. He just said he was uncomfortable commenting on what Rowling said because he felt like he owed a lot to her. Which is fair, honesty. The video used a Fox News headline… not exactly the best source.
@@qmandolin5020He didn’t support JKR or her opinions he simply refused to talk about it and that’s okay. He was only complimenting her ability to create a story that is famous all around the world and connect people through that. It’s not that same thing as agreeing with her politically. But then again you’re not allowed to compliment their ability in anyway because that means you’re this or that or you agree with that.
There is something to be said about how Gen Z is growing just increasingly more cruel on tiktok (and some parts of twitter), there are some people who'll spend all day just looking for somebody to pick on for their own clout, especially Millennials. I know it's always trendy to hate on the older gens, but Millennials are not the main force to be blamed for how the world is these days, and they are not Gen Z's parents either, so I don't know why teens are so obsessed with destroying them and everything they once enjoyed.
I also find it interesting that they ruthlessly criticize “Disney adults” or “Harry Potter millennials” for being cringy adults that are way too obsessed with children’s media and then go on to talk about how they collect monster high dolls cause it heals their inner child.
Oh, this happens so much it's insane. The *worst* example I can think of is Josh Peck and Drake Bell because they both acted like complete and utter cartoons - Josh turned into that television trope where fame goes to a main character's head and Drake morphed in real time to the "Disco Dan" archetype except for 2004, crashing his career down to Mexico.
the horror fanbase has like hundreds of these types of people & they’re beloved. people wait in line at cons just to meet that guy from texas chainsaw massacre 2.
It occurred to me that as much as people rag on actors for riding on the coattails on their big break, on the other hand actors who are perceived as moving on from a popular role 'too quickly' for other opportunities (e.g. Mischa Barton, Dan Stevens and more recently Regé-Jean Page to some extent) or those who refuse to return to a role to nostalgia bait 'for the fans' (e.g. Christopher Eccleston who for the record has alluded to very justifiable reasons for not returning to New Who) get called ungrateful, selfish and undeserving. Either way, you can't win.
The timing of this is extremely funny because I just watched "Exploring the World of “Jobless” Celebrities" by Casey Aonso a few hours ago which is also about Tom Felton and Taylor Lautner and the washed up actor trope
this wasn't meant accusatory in case it sounded like that haha I just think it's interesting that with the recent growth of podcasts etc multiple creators at the same time felt the need to address this topic so there definitely seemes to be a recent shift in attention that kicked it all off like you explain in the later part of the video
I listen to the Glee podcast And That's What You Missed hosted by Kevin McHale and Jenna Ushawitz and you could say they fall into this trope as well, but I find it rather enjoyable.
As someone who has children in the family, they're living in a time where the books are over and we have the movies. They can't live the excitement of waiting for these things. Tom is in a way keeping the vibe alive by supporting things like, new games, expansions on the parks and all. I do agree he's too much into it, but on a bright side is so cool to have this connection through him. Draco as a character became much more popular and beloved compared to yeas ago, specially because people started to like Slytherin and the other houses more, in the past it was like everyone wanted to be in the main character house, and its fine but... We didn't have much more to go with the other houses, and now they have so much more lore and information. Im just rambling at this point but its nice to reflect about it ❤
she wasn't a child star, however, an actress i can think of that's also another example of this calibre is jennifer grey (dirty dancing, ferris bueller's day off) i know there were/are reasons why her career didn't take off as much after she did dirty dancing (obviously the media turned on her after she became quite unrecognisable after her nosejob) though sometimes i think that the careers jennifer aniston (and meg ryan in the 90's) ended up having is what she could have been
@@theladyprincess not only did I first hear about him in Star Trek lower decks, but I also found out he was in Scream 5 and that his dad is Dennis Quaid.
i feel really bad for her, she had loads of people pressuring her to get a nosejob, including her mother (apparently both of her parents got nose jobs before starting to work in showbusiness, her dad is joel grey who played the master of ceremonies in cabaret). she was having trouble finding work after dirty dancing before the nose job so she got one to appeal to hollywood, which ended up not working out as she became unrecognisable. tbh it sounds like the main reason jennifer wasn’t getting any work was good old hollywood antisemitism unfortunately
@@mimigigihere i read bits from the memoir she released around a year ago and yeah she did talk about how her parents got their noses done too. i also think she implied or rather talked about how one of the reasons why she didn’t get much to do or intentionally didn’t wanna do more roles (?) after dirty dancing was because she had trauma over the car accident she was involved in when she was with matthew broderick
True, also it's hard to stay employed in Hollywood, even the actors that are good and did good movies or shows are acting in projects that people would consider cringe or straight up bad. Tom did a few projects but they were not anything that many people talk about, if being draco works for him, then go ahead
I fucks with Tom Felton heavy. Harry Potter was and is such a phenomenon so ride them wheels til they fall off. Nostalgia is so powerful and profitable, I don't blame anyone from the 90s to 00s cashing in. Being a millenial is so interesting and I honestly think we are all collectively bonded by truama 😂. So to have the people we loved as kids come back and speak on their experiences as adults, it's interesting and fun. The discourse (not your video per say) is such a clear example of how fickle people are and "you're damned if you do, damned if you don't."
A lot of times they are just talking about it because they are asked about it. I have never seen a Harry Potter movie but i think it's awesome that Tom has this connection with the fans. Why wouldn't he be proud of being in something so successful and that made such a mark in so many fans? Much better than those celebs that hate the thing they did in the past that made them famous, and hate the fans who got them where they are
I really don't understand Tom Felton be criticized for talking about a project that he participated for ten years. And calling someone 'unemployed' just because they didn't get others major projects... It's not all of them that would get it, but yeah, he participated in other movies. People nowadays are just so mean on the internet.
i honestly think i’d be doing the same thing if i were Tom Felton, especially if i played that role for 10+ years. i may dislike Tom’s morals but he played an iconic character like Draco SO well for so long, i’d take pride in that if i were in his shoes! Plus it’s not like it’s his fault that there’s always going to be a fierce demand for content tied to Draco/Slytherin. The Taylor Lautner thing really doesn’t seem like a big deal to me, i mean is he talking about Taylor S. that often? I’ve seen him talk about his wife plenty. I viewed their reunion as a positive thing. I was a big fan of both while they were dating so I’m glad they’re on good terms. The Ned’s podcast was too far for me though. I don’t like the combination of hearing graphic details about the actors on a show about children, yikes! I’m sure there are fans of the show who found it entertaining, but i feel like they could’ve at least pretended to be discreet and cut out some of the inapt details…
@@Daisy-nd7iwliterally nothing. People just freak out if they don’t agree with Their own political beliefs. Jk said nothing wrong, I agree with her and will be loud about that, oh no Tom agrees. I love how biology is now transphobia. It’s just a bunch of chronically online tik tok brain wackos saying this
I kind of think we are the problem because they are constantly asked about a movie they were in or character they played years ago regardless of what they do so why not lean into it
I honestly have to wonder if Tom's struggle to find a successful career outside of HP is BECAUSE of how much attention/adoration he continues to hold publicly. Not saying he should hate HP or deny his adoration for the series but, it's impossible to take him seriously as a result imo
Honestly, I kinda don’t blame Tom Felton. It’s a little cringe, but if all you have to do is keep stoking the fire you lit 15 years ago a little bit to remain a millionaire, that’s so easy. I WISH I had done something when I was like 15 that could get me paid for the rest of my life
As someone who loves the Ned Podcast and loved the show growing up.. I appreciate this viewpoint. Let people process their emotions and experiences! They’re doing better than me at life 😂😂😅
Daang that Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide BJ story caught me off guard, it's one of those stories that should only be shared by close friends and never to the public haha. Heck even Devon hesitated for a moment but LIndsey decided to share it anywhere. Maan NDSSG childhood ruined haha.
I agree with a lot of your points, but i feel like the pandemic & the current wave of celebs fighting to be seen as "real" on TikTok play a huge part in what influences this "Tom Felton variant". If the worst thing a celeb is doing is being cringe, let them off I say. (But leaening that Felton supports JK Rowling & what Noah Scnapps Zionism is sexy thing is WHOLE OTHER KETTLE OF FISH!! OMG, what is going on??)
He did not defend JK Rowling. He refused to comment on the controversy itself, and he does owe a lot to her. There is a lot more nuance to that situation than you may think. I actually feel less tired of Harry Potter than I do of smug commentary channels.
Sorry if i was a main character in a majorly popular movie franchise and I enjoyed it You bet your bottom dollar I’d talk about it!!! Thats a one in a million experience c’mon 😅
in the entertainment industry its so hard to actually have a hit. so many projects flop and a max of 2 people watch them. it might be a bit cringe but i dont mind it that much. success if very difficult. if anything i just block them if they annoy me
My relatives and friends still remember me for being a huge Harry Potter fan growing up. (I don't support JKR now.) I can't imagine actually acting as a main character in the franchise during my formative years of life and being expected to just forget it. If I starred in one of the most popular film franchises of the early 2000s and 2010s, I would be milking that for all it's worth.
I absolutely get what you are saying here. I kinda feel that same but also I feel like a large amount of new stuff is 💩 so the nostalgia is still good and we need to remember what it felt like to be sort of happy without excuse.
I think Neds declassified podcast is seen in a better light because the expectations were never high for them so when they popped up out of nowhere it was a nice surprise. But when something was the biggest franchise of all time and the actors just milk it for years it’s fatiguing.
I really thought you would mention that for a lot of actors nostalgia is how they keep making money long after the project is over. If they are lucky they are able to have a long and successful career but for many actors they have one huge hit and don’t continue afterwards. So many actors end up paying the bills with convention appearances.
I mean, we got Rupert Grint who was a MAIN character and didnt got much other jobs after the franchise was over, and you know what he did? He got home, he sat on the couch and thought "yeah i can live like this for now on" and its been ages and he's just retired. Emma Watson did the same! Tom Felton thing started cute but now its too cringy, he needs to chill.
I think the inclusion of taylor lautner with the 'actors known as one thing' is a bit of a stretch ...looking at him thru 'swiftie-coloured-glasses' yeah he's just an ex but he has had other projects , granted, not as successful. Plus i feel like these celebrities are self aware enough to know that thats what the general public wants from them to fit into their own narratives of who these celebs are
it's such NPC behaviour to parrot whatever is trending on woke socials without even doing the actual research - none of JK's actual statements have ever been transphobic, she comes across as someone who actually has a nuanced and empathic attitude towards the issue and isn't just a nodding dog
"We all love to think that we would be like Zendaya..." For sure! Unfortunately, there's a real life contrapart to that and I don't think it's entirely fair, Bella Thorne is actually quite good as an actor and a singer, it's just that she's been labeled as difficult and god knows what else just for being herself. Isn't her rebel phase a thing that we actually like Miley for? Why not Bella then?😅
Because Miley is more talented, was on the bigger show so she garnered a stable fan base which added on to her fame. Also, people only started praising Miley's rebel era recently, she was heavily scrutinized when it was actually happening lol.
As a Harry Potter fan I love how Tom Felton embraces the whole Potter franchise and comes across as the biggest fan of all. In a world that is falling apart at the seams why not escape for a while, dress up in robes, wave a wand around and pretend to be a wizard. It beats worrying about how to pay the mortgage!
What is the conspiracy here with Taylor Lautner? First off, he was in a film with another leading character ALSO named Taylor...and then he dated Taylor Swift, that ended..and now he's married to a Taylor? Crying.
While I understand labeling Tom Felton's focus on his role in HP as harmless, it's still promotion of work that JKR very much profits from, and that's where I have mixed feelings. I don't mean that to suggest he doesn't get to talk about the franchise that defined his adolescence, but even if there wasn't the context that he defended JKR's truly vile transphobia, his promotion of her work on his platform directly puts more money in her pocket. I think the criticism hasn't focused on that, instead responding to the "cringe" nature of what he posts, which I find to be a less productive conversation. To me, that's how he's different from someone like, say Taylor Lautner, who's seems to be mostly promoting his ability to do a backflip.
I agree that it's different, but in the economy in which we operate, such "compliments" (I'm referring to promotion) can create a direct association with profit. JKR is spending that money, publicly and proudly, on her anti-trans agenda, donating to anti-trans organizations. Further, when asked about JKR's transphobic views, he simply stated that he "couldn’t speak for what others have said or what she said" and that "she's always been lovely" (I wouldn't call her statements on twitter particularly lovely). I reference this as a defense because at the same time he's promoting JKR's work and helping her to make money, he refused to engage with the reality of her harmful actions, instead only complimenting her when directly asked about them. He wasn't complimenting her work; he was complimenting her, personally, and this was his response to being confronted with her open transphobia. @@MassaAqua
@@sarahstephens9005 Even if he spoke against it. Harry Potter is already bigger than what it is and continues to grow. That’s because HP is much bigger than JKR.
Lol so Jk shouldn’t make money off her work? Simply because you don’t agree with her? Come on now, I love Jk Rowling for speaking out without a care in the world and no fear, more people need to follow her lead. She’s not transphobic for understanding biology. Many people agree with her but won’t say it over fear, fear of being being called names that they are not, like what you’re doing right now. Calling everybody transphobic for not agreeing with you lessons the value and depth of the word. If being transphobic is simply just acknowledging biology then being transphobia means nothing. Stop calling someone all the phobics and lord knows what else for not having the same beliefs as you. You’re too grown to have this mindset. How do you live in the real world? People will disagree all the time, do you call them names that they are not right in front of them? Or are you just a keyboard warrior.? Just know Jk will forever be mega rich and have a legacy for decades to come. I hope you get the same treatment, I hope someone doesn’t agree with you and insults and attacks you over you just expressing your beliefs. Just know you can put fear and stop people from talking and control the weak ones with no backbone, but the ones who have a fight in them and don’t wish to be controlled will not be. Isn’t that embarrassing? Forcing someone to believe what you personally believe by putting fear into them? What kind of p*ssy sh!t is that? Use words accordingly. Oh no someone disagrees they must be all the phobics. You can’t erase our individuality as humans, you’ll d!e trying, have fun fighting a battle that you will never win though.
i was absolutely dreading when you mentioned the ned declassified podcast and then when you put the clip on i just muted it and ran here to hide geezus i still cant believe they spoke about that, aaaaaaggg but yeah interesting video 👍
I will say Haley Joel Osmont played it low key, with a mix with of his role in Kingdom Hearts took a lot of his time to voice and be attached to. Also just taking a break from being in a lot when he was a kid. He was nominated for a lot of awards for the sixth sense. I think he avoided that fatigue but still keeping the nostalgia. I just said a lot to many times.
Nancy Cartwright does this now too 😭 it's very sad to me because The Simpsons is my favorite show and she was probably the most famous voice actor in the early 90's.
I think this is very much related to the employment status of most of the celebrities. I very much remember seeing a short from the declassified kids basically asking for them to reboot the show. There is an incredible difference between talking about an amazing experience that you had as a child, making that your only thing. Toph from avatar the last Airbender is also threading that needle.
I dont think any of them deserve hate. Their childhoods were public and they've never had time to process growing up like you said. I completely understand Tom Felton. Harry Potter was a HUGE franchise and he grew up in the midst of the fame. Realistically, id probably react the same way if I was him...
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It’s hard for me to fully blame a celebrity for only talking about the show/movie they were in when it’s probably all people (interviewers, fans, casting agencies) ask about. Also if I was even an extra in a popular movie I wouldn’t stfu about it let alone a leading role.
Hollywood is so picky letting actors flourish. Nepotism is definitely not helping
Same sis same. I wouldn’t know how to act. I’d be like WHERE IS MY OSCAR
Plus, it does bring money, quite good money so milk it till you can
Um, I would? Unless you’re constantly hanging around fans all day (wich would also be weird) no one fucking cares.
@@MajorOctofuss I’d be so annoying if I was in one tv show. People don’t shut up about being in the hs plays
“Taylor Lautner is known for one other thing-“ the way I confidently said “SHARKBOY AND LAVAGIRL” 😭💀
😂😂😂😂😂 bestie besides Twilight and T Swift it is the only other thing😂😂😂😂
Why did I think that too?! 😅😂
I thought it was going to be Cuckoo! Best thing he did
Actually 😂 tho it’s so iconic
Legit, was about to say the same thing. My little sister played that movie out and she finds it so iconic. 🤣
When people dedicate 10 years of their life to something, they tend to talk about it a lot.
For me the Tom Felton thing and the " I dated Taylor Swift for 6 months " are wildly WILDLY different.
Wait until I tell you it was actually only 3 months....🙃
Yep this is a bad take
Tom Felton could be having an identity crisis considering he grew up playing that character. comparing it to taylor lautner is something else lmfao
@@hopenitrous with Taylor lautner the taylor swift thing in itself feels like a meme he is memeing about their past and that they're still friends
Yeah not to mention Taylor Lautner wasn’t the one leaning into nostalgia to make money off his relationship with Taylor. Taylor was re-releasing her album Speak Now and so decided to bring Lautner back into the fold and ask him to be in a music video as an easter egg to the fans . She invited *him* to bank off nostalgia. Of course that led to people/Swifties/media asking him about their relationship and him answering, but dude’s was just living his best life before doing his own thing, he very much avoids the spotlight. Another thing she didn’t mention is that the woman Taylor that he married is a legit Swiftie who met Taylor Swift when she (his wife) was a kid, so is very on board with the whole Swiftie angle.
Lautner is using the temporary Swiftie spotlight to bring attention to other projects (that he’s working on with his wife), but he’s definitely not banking on his relationship with Taylor Swift the way Felton on Ned’s Declassified cast are. Very weird to include him in this. Especially from someone who claims to be a Swiftie and should know all this.
On the complete opposite end, it's remarkable how Danielle Radcliffe was able to meme himself into becoming more iconic than his literal billion dollar character.
danielle radcliffe
@@eyesack2007 don’t tell jkr, she’ll lose it
To be fair Harry as a character is quite boring, he doesn't has an interesting character so it's really not that hard to out do your character in the personality department
he's also on broadway and I'm so happy he made it big at some point and still found something he can enjoy so much instead of just staying stuck like many child actors do unintentionally
He really cash out as the star of one of the most bankable franchise and say, "Now I'm gonna act on all the weird sh*t I want". So happy he found peace.
Jacob Elordi: gets shit for talking negatively about his previous work
Tom Felton: gets shit for talking positively about his previous work
So, solution: stfu and move on.
“Cringe and unemployed” was how I spent like 50% of the year lmao.
Literally 😂😂 me
NO FR
Same 😭
We (or the powers that be) create a market for nostalgia and then demonize the artists who want to capitalize on their former work
Good point! There's people making bank from nostalgia right now and there's such a market for child stars oversharing. I don't judge Tom or Taylor or the Ned's Declassified actors for trying to make money based on the IP they worked on.
I also feel like people don't know how hard it actually is for an actor to be consistently booked and busy. It's hard enough to be cast in anything let alone a main cast of a hit show/movie. For many actors, they get one successful project once in their life and that's it. Especially for child actors like Tom who spent their entire childhood working and not having a normal life since they're like 9, I don't blame them for clinging onto the success if it means to get them by financially. Hell if I was part of one the biggest franchise in history I probably wouldn't shut up either.
@@jimmylu1352 I think about how last year Sydney Sweeney said that she didn't make enough from acting to feel financially stable enough to take 6 months off, and she's one of the most booked and busy people in the industry! So how bad must it be for people like those in the video who haven't had a hit project since childhood??
Agreed. This whole video was weird.
@@jimmylu1352 especially right now the industry is really mean. It’s not easy to be an actress unless you’re one of the same twenty ppl being cast in everything
The way emma watson and daniel radcliffe managed to just have harry potter and hermione in their resume and just do their own things unless its like an anniversary is actually super cool
And Rupert Grint just living his life not acting. I can’t imagine hiring someone for a non-acting job and they have Ron Weasley on their resume
@@theshire9173but his one of latest tv show on apple tv "servant" is amazing
@@theshire9173 Thats false. Rupert Grint is still acting as well. Last year he was in that knock at the Cabin movie, hes on this good horror show on Apple Tv plus and he was on a Netflix show the previous year. He does well at it too. I barely think about Ron Weasley when I see him anymore lol Its great how much these three have been able to build a life and career outside of the Harry Potter franchise. Thats not easy to do.
Same with Elijah Wood, Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart. All of them could have coasted on their leading roles in hugely successful franchises for decades, but they decided the see the fame and financial security those roles gave them as the ability to choose less mainstream, but more interesting or just plain weird projects.
Emma hasn't done much of notice.
I remember watching a video by the girl who played Padma Patil and so many comments were like “you were barely in it, this is so embarasssing,” except she spent 8 YEARS OF HER LIFE as a child/teen on that set. Her not being front and center of that many scenes doesn’t mean it wasn’t a huge part of her life growing up. It was like going to school. Idk it just felt very mean spirited to me.
@@MajorOctofuss "uncool"? sorry you sound like the kid bully at the local playground lol, being cringe is the far from the worst thing a person can do.
@@MajorOctofuss and what's considered cringe is arbitrary and often mean spirited anyway - it's only bad if you're doing something at your own or someone else's expense.
@@MajorOctofuss okay? i know what 'imo' means, i'm just responding to yours.
@@MajorOctofuss”not a good thing” as if you’re passing moral judgment on someone for being cringe 😂 wow you sound like a loser
The fact that Launter married ANOTHER Taylor is insane to me😂
😂😂😂
ANOTHER Taylor, who took his last name and is also named Taylor Lautner now.
I hope they live their most Taylor lives. That big neon “TAYLOR” in one of their Instagram posts cracks me up every time I think about it 😂
Taylor left Taylor and is now married to Taylor.
I they ever have / want kids, they have the funnies opportunity to name it Taylor too 😂
I feel like the opposite of this is more frequent:
-Someone has one project become way more popular than all their other work, or makes their name playing a particular role
-the public can only think of them as "the guy from ___"
-No matter what other work they do or how hard they try, people will only call them the name of their one character, or associate them with their one hit song. The public might even lose sight of them as an individual and just assume they ARE that role.
So if you aren't left too emotionally damaged from an early acting role, why not just embrace it?
I think it's sweet how, for example, Mark Hamill has done plenty of other things after Star Wars, but he's willing to just roll with being Luke Skywalker when it makes fans happy.
I like this take. Although I think because we've come to expect celebs to want to distance themselves from their prior work that could be a reason why some people feel offput whenever they see the opposite.
this is what they said about christian bale as patrick bateman
@@eren9055poor poor Christian Bale, working at least since Empire of the Sun, being Batman in one (of not the most) of the most successful trilogies of this character and people only remember him for being a psycho as Patrick Bateman. As a little anecdote, I lately learnt about him that he really loves ghibli movies
@clarabp2613 everyone knows about batman dude. the point is they said it about him AS PATRICK BATEMAN THE CHARACTER THAT MADE HIM A HOUSEHOLD NAME.
@@eren9055 seriously? I'm sorry, I didn't know Patrick Bateman was his breakout role
Tom felton is the only nostalgia based Celebrity that is an actual fan of the franchise he is a part of he is the only one that comes off as genuine
I agree
You have to remember Tom along with the rest of the cast played these characters for over 10 years, it's such a big part of their lives.
It would be like having a friend in your 30s who only ever talks about when they were at school. School is a big part of our lives, I went for more than 10 years. But I have things happening now that I’m far more interested in. People get divorced after 20 years and don’t make it their whole personality that they got divorced or used to be married. It’s why I think the “peaked in high school” comparison makes the most sense. We don’t all spend our lives doting on our childhoods and teenage years because, well, we just have better things to do.
@@hollyro4665 Tom recently released an album. He's just using the nostalgia to stay relevant and promote his music, it's marketing. Not that serious.
I met Tom at NYCC around 10 years ago and he was so sweet! I hope things get better with his career.
what’s wrong with his career?
@@unruffledhomelandertbh I can see why. When you’re attached to a franchise that big, it can stall you or lead to typecast roles. Daniel Radcliffe honestly went the smartest route and went straight to doing indie films.
Sometimes it’s just cringe, sometimes they end up revealing genuinely awful takes like the Ned’s Declassified cast on Alexa Nikolas
I mean they know her more than we do. This is not to say Alexa is wrong about the abuse she has experienced on set. But Alexa might have also done and said some things that was out of the box. We don't know ANY of these people personally.
What did they say?
@@SnapeArgentocommenting because I’m also curious.
@@venuslove-i1v So what? They don’t have to talk about her publicly and they definitely don’t have to title the episode that her mother hit Lindsay when that didn’t happen in either version of events. Like, leaving her mother out of it is the most basic level of human decency.
Intense and crazy is a bit of a shit thing to say about a person who spends their time protesting and raising awareness for entertainment companies being complicit in child abuse and grooming.
@@SnapeArgento Alexa talks about it on her channel: ruclips.net/video/Qn1cKg6FzFI/видео.htmlsi=WU5OJT0O6yf1FvM3
Sometimes the internet acts like being cringe is the worst thing you can be in the world. Like who cares if these actors discuss pivotal work they did as a kid a lot? Just scroll away if it bothers you. I saw in another video on this topic the Ned’s Declassified guy say that he tried to move on with other work, but people always saw him as the character so he thought ‘hey, why not embrace that and look back?’
These actors were put into a predatory industry at a very young age and thrown into some level of fame that must be weird to deal with and (in some cases, maybe not for the actors in this video, but some) even had to deal with being exploited during their time there. If they want to take that experience as an adult and finally have fun with it, then I don’t see the issue.
And I’ve also seen instances where a formerly famous person (one example was an actor from a show in the 90s working at Trader Joe’s and a 2000s rapper driving Lyft) gets videotaped doing a regular job and gets clowned for “falling off” or gets treated with pity for working. Like they can’t seem to win with people lol. Can some of it be cringe? Sure, but whatever it’s not like the cringe truly hurts anyone lol. Also, using unemployed as an insult is wack as hell lmao.
Unlike the cast of friends (RIP Matthew Perry), these former child stars don't get to capitalize on the shows they were most famous on through stream revenue. Heck, that was of the main issues of this year's SAG-AFTRA strikes. It's understandable for these actors to make their own profit through other alternatives like self authored books, podcasts and social media platforms. Especially with the current wave of 2000s nostalgia.
Commentary Channels hitting on the same topics coincidentally is an amazing phenomenon that needs to be discussed (preferably by multiple commentary channels coincidentally around the same time).
Lmfao i just saw this after i commented about the same thing. Love seeing their different perspectives on it tho its so funny
Thank you for pointing out what just crossed my mind too. I regretted clicking into this video. 🤦🏻♀️
Good topic. My question is where’s the fine line between cringe-y nostalgia and endearing nostalgia? Because Elijah Wood is similar to Tom Felton in that he was in a huge franchise during his formative years and fondly reminisces of that time. But I feel he falls into the endearing nostalgic category rather than cringe-y. Is it because Frodo isn’t his only notable role and he isn’t begging for a reboot?
it probably has a lot to do with how people look back at both franchises. lotr (and tolkein by extension) are both viewed very fondly. whereas constantly nostagically referencing a franchise that is now sort of forever tainted by the creator’s antics is not going to go down well. maybe it would’ve been different if tolkein had a twitter
dude i love elijah with my life and always think of him and that time he said "cake" and was brutally murdered on that movie with the spy kids
I think it’s just that Elijah doesn’t make it his whole personality. Of course if he’s asked about it, he’ll answer but he doesn’t hyper focused on only that, he’s fond of the role that made him big but he has moved forward, same thing with Daniel Radcliffe.
Elijah Wood was a whole90s heart ❤️ throb male actor before LOTR as Frodo
I mean in his defense Elijah Wood is still active in other projects, especially critically acclaimed ones. This is what makes a lot of actors “relevant” and not “has beens”
Nobody is talking about how Robert Pattinson not only isn't remembered anymore as Cedric Diggory in Harry Potter but has successfully left behind Edward Cullen
First Casey Aonso and now Kayla. Love to see a topic from different angles
For real like I just finished watching Casey's video, and I was also happy to see Kayla talk about it as well
@@aishambengue3024 same lol
Is it not stealing though? Like someone should tell her
It’s not stealing and I’m sure Casey would agree lol. We’re commentary RUclipsrs, we cover the same stuff. I had this video done and ready on Sunday, but I had to wait until today to post it for sponsor reasons. We all work on our stuff in advance, if two videos happen to get posted close to each other it’s pure coincidence. I didn’t even see Casey’s video until people started commenting about it here.
@@Loverera2023 thats the dumbest thing I've heard today thank u for the chuckle lol
honestly i don't blame them, that's the content that works on social media. and people don't realize how many rewatch podcasts are happening right now, like the amount is insane, you it's just a format that works, if you wanna make a bit of extra money, capitalize baby, like I'm all for it.
and i hate the narrative of being jobless, just because you were an actor as a kid doesn't mean this is what you want to do. like taylor lautner moved away from public life for a while on purpose and he just happened to come back and do stuff with taylor, like he's not milking it, he's just having fun. people need to stop with the narrative that once you don't have the success that you once did you're worthless, like maybe not everyone wants to be an actor
Ok RIGHT!!!
I appreciate how you ended the video by stating that most folks wouldn’t be Zendaya in this situation. There’s too much main character energy in people sometimes.
Yep lol
In the Hispanic community this is even more problematic, because there's a lot of "canceled actors" doing this. Like Drake Bell.
They know that the Spanish speakers will be less aware of their polemics, so they started targeting the community by learning Spanish or making lip sync of their dubbing.
Growing up as a child actor must be mad. They don't choose that life, they can't possibly know what it will entail. If the worst thing they do when they're older is hang on to that character and be cringy, then they're hella well-adjusted. It seems like all the child actors in Harry Potter grew up to be quite normal, and from what I've heard, the production team went to great lengths to ensure some normalcy in their life. Daniel Radcliffe is an interesting example cause he knows HP set him up for life. So now he's just doing whatever the hell he wants, which is all these small but probably really fun and uniwue productions. He isn't doing the serious action star or the heartthrob thing, like many child stars do when they grow up and are desperate to stay relevant. I think Tom Felton just really enjoyed making Harry Potter, it was a huge part of his life, and now is giving the fans what they want. I would guess that he also has more than enough money. It could truly be just a fun thing for him that some people are reading as desperate, nostalgia-brained etc And hey, even if he has some new project, 95% of people just care that he played Draco.
This is what I said. The audience thinks of these people as their most famous character, so why not run with it?
The Ned’s Pod clip in particular very much gave that idea that famous people become frozen at the age they became famous. The facial expressions alone just made for a cartoonishly immature conversation about what should be a normal topic of conversation between adults
"The Taylor Swift ex pantheon" LMAO
I think the biggest reason people kind this all so bad is because we fear it may happen to us. What if we peaked when we were 11 years old? What if the best years of our life are already behind us and we’re barely into our 30s? It’s scary
Hate that I thought Noah was Coconut Head from Ned's for a sec, but love the thought of that guy going around like "yeah I was coconut head, you may have seen my performance"
They have him on as a guest on the podcast!! 😂
Once upon a time (2009-2014, age 16-21) I had a blog. A blog which was very much famous where I live (Sweden). It was the most visited blog in my category and I couldn’t go outside without being recognised, I was invited to big events etc. I still talk about my blog to this day. I still talk about my experiences from that time. I can understand how it’s hard to get over something that impacted your life in such a way. I have to admit I miss those times and I’d do just about anything to get back, but I wouldn’t want to “get famous” again on a new platform. I don’t want to work with social media ever again. Loved this video!
I personally enjoyed the Ned's Declassified episodes and like they are so honest and open. After years of having to hold back so much while being a child actor and pretend to be pure to keep up appearances, what do people expect? To add, it's the fans that can't shut up about nostalgia.
I enjoyed it too because yes they're talking about our childhood but they're also adults. Until they brought up Alexa tried to subtlety disrespect her then won't apologize after they got called out. They don't look adults anymore(except daniel he did nothing wrong) but like high schoolers trying to impress the popular kids and it's really cringe now
@@theoutsiderjess1869 I didn't see it that way. Lindsay mentioned how Alexa was a really good friend and a sweet person. It was the black girl that found her to be crazy because Alexa said something she felt was disrespectful about Beyonce. They know Alexa personally and have their own experiences with her. We don't know ANY of these people personally. I do think the Neds crew should address it and apologize, but I also think there are two sides to every story. I do believe Alexa experienced a lot of bullying growing up, but it doesn't mean she didn't do or say things that may have been out of line herself. It's kind of eye-opening how even people who were not on the set of Zoey101 had their own experience with her that wasn't always positive. If Alexa were any other person, we would see a pattern. But because of Alexa's work, we are able to look past some of those things she may have done (and rightfully so because we don't know her personally either).
Did she ever address that Beyonce comment she made?
Agreed
@@theoutsiderjess1869okay and? They are entitled to their opinion. Alexa said rude things to and about people and she has done wrong as well.
I actually enjoy seeing actors talk about their experiences in the spotlight or in a multi million franchise. It gives a much more in depth perspective of fame and their branch of work, and it also kind of lifts the veil of misticism around fame itself, while casting a light on real issues we need to focus our attention on. It sucks that they are being shamed for being "cringey" when they are doing nothing wrong. I think wanting to separate yourself from a job you did for many years or that was very significant just so people don't judge you for "being stuck" is just as cringe worthy imo. Child actors that branch out are labeled as "problematic" and what not because they try everything to change the public's perception of them (like miley cyrus or daniel radcliff for example). Allowing them to openly talk about their experiences is healing for them and entertaining for the audience, it might not be everyone's cup of tea and that's okay. I truly enjoy the Ned's podcast, I grew up watching the show so now it feels lnice to see the actors moving through adulthood at the same time as me.
Also maybe we can be a bit more kind to former child and teen stars. They worked a lot throughout their childhood makes sense that at 30 they are now able to "retire" and enjoy life.
I hate how current celebrity discourse has equated "cringe" with "bad." Half the time someone gets mocked or disliked for doing something just kind of corny and then it sways public opinion against them. I'm sick of it because it makes my autistic ass even more terrified to say anything in public or risk being branded "cringe." (This does not apply to Tom Felton defending transphobia or Noah Schnapp being a zionist-both of those things are genuinely gross af.)
Preach
"aUTisTic"
Lol lmao even
Every SINGLE time!!!
I mean 😳 you don't even have a personality.💀
For what it’s worth, Tom didn’t defend transphobia. He just said he was uncomfortable commenting on what Rowling said because he felt like he owed a lot to her. Which is fair, honesty.
The video used a Fox News headline… not exactly the best source.
@@qmandolin5020He didn’t support JKR or her opinions he simply refused to talk about it and that’s okay. He was only complimenting her ability to create a story that is famous all around the world and connect people through that. It’s not that same thing as agreeing with her politically. But then again you’re not allowed to compliment their ability in anyway because that means you’re this or that or you agree with that.
Naw youre an extremist. Tom felton did not support t***sphobia. You just lied.
Taylor Lautner was known for one other thing: Sharkboy. (Although most people didnt know his name until Twilight.)
YES
There is something to be said about how Gen Z is growing just increasingly more cruel on tiktok (and some parts of twitter), there are some people who'll spend all day just looking for somebody to pick on for their own clout, especially Millennials. I know it's always trendy to hate on the older gens, but Millennials are not the main force to be blamed for how the world is these days, and they are not Gen Z's parents either, so I don't know why teens are so obsessed with destroying them and everything they once enjoyed.
I also find it interesting that they ruthlessly criticize “Disney adults” or “Harry Potter millennials” for being cringy adults that are way too obsessed with children’s media and then go on to talk about how they collect monster high dolls cause it heals their inner child.
Oh, 100%.
I met tom at a convention and the staff would gush over how nice he is
Oh, this happens so much it's insane. The *worst* example I can think of is Josh Peck and Drake Bell because they both acted like complete and utter cartoons - Josh turned into that television trope where fame goes to a main character's head and Drake morphed in real time to the "Disco Dan" archetype except for 2004, crashing his career down to Mexico.
That Ned's Declassified podcast clip made me cringe from the depths of my soul.
The Tati meme is just playing on repeat in my brain "omg, time and place..." 😂
the horror fanbase has like hundreds of these types of people & they’re beloved. people wait in line at cons just to meet that guy from texas chainsaw massacre 2.
Girl, we gotta add Isaak Presley to this Tom Felton Variant list. The obsession with Stuck in the Middle and Jenna Ortega is scary.
I can’t believe shows from that era are allowed to have nostalgia attached.
It occurred to me that as much as people rag on actors for riding on the coattails on their big break, on the other hand actors who are perceived as moving on from a popular role 'too quickly' for other opportunities (e.g. Mischa Barton, Dan Stevens and more recently Regé-Jean Page to some extent) or those who refuse to return to a role to nostalgia bait 'for the fans' (e.g. Christopher Eccleston who for the record has alluded to very justifiable reasons for not returning to New Who) get called ungrateful, selfish and undeserving. Either way, you can't win.
The timing of this is extremely funny because I just watched "Exploring the World of “Jobless” Celebrities" by Casey Aonso a few hours ago which is also about Tom Felton and Taylor Lautner and the washed up actor trope
this wasn't meant accusatory in case it sounded like that haha I just think it's interesting that with the recent growth of podcasts etc multiple creators at the same time felt the need to address this topic so there definitely seemes to be a recent shift in attention that kicked it all off like you explain in the later part of the video
I listen to the Glee podcast And That's What You Missed hosted by Kevin McHale and Jenna Ushawitz and you could say they fall into this trope as well, but I find it rather enjoyable.
Jenna at least has two Tony awards (for producing)
@@francesmcginn5850 She does. And they seem to genuinely enjoy doing it.
just finished casey's video, i'm excited to have a double feature about this subject lol
As someone who has children in the family, they're living in a time where the books are over and we have the movies. They can't live the excitement of waiting for these things. Tom is in a way keeping the vibe alive by supporting things like, new games, expansions on the parks and all. I do agree he's too much into it, but on a bright side is so cool to have this connection through him. Draco as a character became much more popular and beloved compared to yeas ago, specially because people started to like Slytherin and the other houses more, in the past it was like everyone wanted to be in the main character house, and its fine but... We didn't have much more to go with the other houses, and now they have so much more lore and information. Im just rambling at this point but its nice to reflect about it ❤
she wasn't a child star, however, an actress i can think of that's also another example of this calibre is jennifer grey (dirty dancing, ferris bueller's day off) i know there were/are reasons why her career didn't take off as much after she did dirty dancing (obviously the media turned on her after she became quite unrecognisable after her nosejob) though sometimes i think that the careers jennifer aniston (and meg ryan in the 90's) ended up having is what she could have been
Unrelated but I just found out this year that Meg Ryan’s son is Jack Quaid
@@izzyc127 yeah he is! i remember he was in the first hunger games movie
@@theladyprincess not only did I first hear about him in Star Trek lower decks, but I also found out he was in Scream 5 and that his dad is Dennis Quaid.
i feel really bad for her, she had loads of people pressuring her to get a nosejob, including her mother (apparently both of her parents got nose jobs before starting to work in showbusiness, her dad is joel grey who played the master of ceremonies in cabaret). she was having trouble finding work after dirty dancing before the nose job so she got one to appeal to hollywood, which ended up not working out as she became unrecognisable. tbh it sounds like the main reason jennifer wasn’t getting any work was good old hollywood antisemitism unfortunately
@@mimigigihere i read bits from the memoir she released around a year ago and yeah she did talk about how her parents got their noses done too. i also think she implied or rather talked about how one of the reasons why she didn’t get much to do or intentionally didn’t wanna do more roles (?) after dirty dancing was because she had trauma over the car accident she was involved in when she was with matthew broderick
The Harry Potter films are nostalgic for so many, surely it’s nice for an actor to be excited about it still
Did you literally watch the video
Agreed. I think it's nice. Minus the other problematic stuff...
@@hermoniegranger4482 yes ofc
True, also it's hard to stay employed in Hollywood, even the actors that are good and did good movies or shows are acting in projects that people would consider cringe or straight up bad. Tom did a few projects but they were not anything that many people talk about, if being draco works for him, then go ahead
It is
Haha, I just watched another video about this topic today! Exited to hear your takes!
I fucks with Tom Felton heavy. Harry Potter was and is such a phenomenon so ride them wheels til they fall off. Nostalgia is so powerful and profitable, I don't blame anyone from the 90s to 00s cashing in. Being a millenial is so interesting and I honestly think we are all collectively bonded by truama 😂. So to have the people we loved as kids come back and speak on their experiences as adults, it's interesting and fun. The discourse (not your video per say) is such a clear example of how fickle people are and "you're damned if you do, damned if you don't."
This 100%!
Yep. People are just hyper-critical of celebrities in general, no matter what they do.
Ralph Maccaio is the best candidate for elevating it. He took the Karate Kid thing and took it beyond without over doing it.
For Ned's Declassified I didn't need to know that.
A lot of times they are just talking about it because they are asked about it. I have never seen a Harry Potter movie but i think it's awesome that Tom has this connection with the fans. Why wouldn't he be proud of being in something so successful and that made such a mark in so many fans? Much better than those celebs that hate the thing they did in the past that made them famous, and hate the fans who got them where they are
does the declassified podcast not have an editor? who decided to leave that in?
I can't believe you didn't mention the worst case of this, the entire Office cast except for steve carell and john k
That office podcast was a little cute at the beginning, but recapping all 9 seasons is something else.
I really don't understand Tom Felton be criticized for talking about a project that he participated for ten years. And calling someone 'unemployed' just because they didn't get others major projects... It's not all of them that would get it, but yeah, he participated in other movies. People nowadays are just so mean on the internet.
i honestly think i’d be doing the same thing if i were Tom Felton, especially if i played that role for 10+ years. i may dislike Tom’s morals but he played an iconic character like Draco SO well for so long, i’d take pride in that if i were in his shoes! Plus it’s not like it’s his fault that there’s always going to be a fierce demand for content tied to Draco/Slytherin.
The Taylor Lautner thing really doesn’t seem like a big deal to me, i mean is he talking about Taylor S. that often? I’ve seen him talk about his wife plenty. I viewed their reunion as a positive thing. I was a big fan of both while they were dating so I’m glad they’re on good terms.
The Ned’s podcast was too far for me though. I don’t like the combination of hearing graphic details about the actors on a show about children, yikes! I’m sure there are fans of the show who found it entertaining, but i feel like they could’ve at least pretended to be discreet and cut out some of the inapt details…
What's wrong with Felton's morals?
@@Daisy-nd7iwliterally nothing. People just freak out if they don’t agree with Their own political beliefs. Jk said nothing wrong, I agree with her and will be loud about that, oh no Tom agrees. I love how biology is now transphobia. It’s just a bunch of chronically online tik tok brain wackos saying this
The Potter Puppet Pals ending! Loved it!
I kind of think we are the problem because they are constantly asked about a movie they were in or character they played years ago regardless of what they do so why not lean into it
I honestly have to wonder if Tom's struggle to find a successful career outside of HP is BECAUSE of how much attention/adoration he continues to hold publicly. Not saying he should hate HP or deny his adoration for the series but, it's impossible to take him seriously as a result imo
Honestly, I kinda don’t blame Tom Felton. It’s a little cringe, but if all you have to do is keep stoking the fire you lit 15 years ago a little bit to remain a millionaire, that’s so easy. I WISH I had done something when I was like 15 that could get me paid for the rest of my life
As someone who loves the Ned Podcast and loved the show growing up.. I appreciate this viewpoint. Let people process their emotions and experiences! They’re doing better than me at life 😂😂😅
4:41 I'm sorry, but I'll always know him as Shark Boy.
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People who care too much about this is the epitomy of cronically-online
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Daang that Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide BJ story caught me off guard, it's one of those stories that should only be shared by close friends and never to the public haha. Heck even Devon hesitated for a moment but LIndsey decided to share it anywhere. Maan NDSSG childhood ruined haha.
I agree with a lot of your points, but i feel like the pandemic & the current wave of celebs fighting to be seen as "real" on TikTok play a huge part in what influences this "Tom Felton variant".
If the worst thing a celeb is doing is being cringe, let them off I say.
(But leaening that Felton supports JK Rowling & what Noah Scnapps Zionism is sexy thing is WHOLE OTHER KETTLE OF FISH!! OMG, what is going on??)
Smiling friends made an episode about this lol. Gwimbly immediately reminded me of Tom felton LOL
He did not defend JK Rowling. He refused to comment on the controversy itself, and he does owe a lot to her. There is a lot more nuance to that situation than you may think.
I actually feel less tired of Harry Potter than I do of smug commentary channels.
How the hell is Millie Bobby Brown married? She's 19!
Sorry if i was a main character in a majorly popular movie franchise and I enjoyed it
You bet your bottom dollar I’d talk about it!!! Thats a one in a million experience c’mon 😅
in the entertainment industry its so hard to actually have a hit. so many projects flop and a max of 2 people watch them. it might be a bit cringe but i dont mind it that much. success if very difficult. if anything i just block them if they annoy me
Ayo WTF happened to that Ned's Declassified podcast???
From day 1 it's been oversharing central, I'm kinda obsessed 😂
My relatives and friends still remember me for being a huge Harry Potter fan growing up. (I don't support JKR now.) I can't imagine actually acting as a main character in the franchise during my formative years of life and being expected to just forget it. If I starred in one of the most popular film franchises of the early 2000s and 2010s, I would be milking that for all it's worth.
I absolutely get what you are saying here. I kinda feel that same but also I feel like a large amount of new stuff is 💩 so the nostalgia is still good and we need to remember what it felt like to be sort of happy without excuse.
I think Neds declassified podcast is seen in a better light because the expectations were never high for them so when they popped up out of nowhere it was a nice surprise. But when something was the biggest franchise of all time and the actors just milk it for years it’s fatiguing.
I really thought you would mention that for a lot of actors nostalgia is how they keep making money long after the project is over. If they are lucky they are able to have a long and successful career but for many actors they have one huge hit and don’t continue afterwards. So many actors end up paying the bills with convention appearances.
I for one love the over sharing on the ned's podcast, I'm so here for all that tea 🤣🤣
You always manage do video essays on topics that I find myself thinking about at 3:00 am. So I thank you for that
Oh my God the Potter puppet pals. I just got older.
good take. that clip from the ned's declassified podcast was so shocking lol thank you for showing it so I didn't have to google.
I mean, we got Rupert Grint who was a MAIN character and didnt got much other jobs after the franchise was over, and you know what he did? He got home, he sat on the couch and thought "yeah i can live like this for now on" and its been ages and he's just retired. Emma Watson did the same! Tom Felton thing started cute but now its too cringy, he needs to chill.
Rupert acts a lot, he's in an Apple TV + series by M. Night
I think the inclusion of taylor lautner with the 'actors known as one thing' is a bit of a stretch ...looking at him thru 'swiftie-coloured-glasses' yeah he's just an ex but he has had other projects , granted, not as successful. Plus i feel like these celebrities are self aware enough to know that thats what the general public wants from them to fit into their own narratives of who these celebs are
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it's such NPC behaviour to parrot whatever is trending on woke socials without even doing the actual research - none of JK's actual statements have ever been transphobic, she comes across as someone who actually has a nuanced and empathic attitude towards the issue and isn't just a nodding dog
she literally self identifies as a transphobe lol
"We all love to think that we would be like Zendaya..." For sure! Unfortunately, there's a real life contrapart to that and I don't think it's entirely fair, Bella Thorne is actually quite good as an actor and a singer, it's just that she's been labeled as difficult and god knows what else just for being herself. Isn't her rebel phase a thing that we actually like Miley for? Why not Bella then?😅
Because Miley is more talented, was on the bigger show so she garnered a stable fan base which added on to her fame. Also, people only started praising Miley's rebel era recently, she was heavily scrutinized when it was actually happening lol.
As a Harry Potter fan I love how Tom Felton embraces the whole Potter franchise and comes across as the biggest fan of all. In a world that is falling apart at the seams why not escape for a while, dress up in robes, wave a wand around and pretend to be a wizard. It beats worrying about how to pay the mortgage!
i will say that if you want a deep dive into the origins and stuff of millennial potterheads, Kurtis Conner’s newest video is rlly good
What is the conspiracy here with Taylor Lautner? First off, he was in a film with another leading character ALSO named Taylor...and then he dated Taylor Swift, that ended..and now he's married to a Taylor? Crying.
The actress who plays Lavagirl's name is also Taylor
@@thequeenofslays Yess that's the leading actress! I've never seen so many Taylor's in my life 😭
@@Rain_boot YES IT'S TAYLOR NATION😭
I knew Taylor Swift and Taylor Lautner dated; I just never realized that Taylor dated Taylor and married a Taylor.
hey if i could do a backflip i would show it off all the time too
All the actors of the brothers from malcom in the middle fit in here too
...that weird moment when you actually FORGOT Taylor Lautner dated Taylor Swift...
Oh no I would 100% be a Tom Felton in that scenario. 100%
While I understand labeling Tom Felton's focus on his role in HP as harmless, it's still promotion of work that JKR very much profits from, and that's where I have mixed feelings. I don't mean that to suggest he doesn't get to talk about the franchise that defined his adolescence, but even if there wasn't the context that he defended JKR's truly vile transphobia, his promotion of her work on his platform directly puts more money in her pocket. I think the criticism hasn't focused on that, instead responding to the "cringe" nature of what he posts, which I find to be a less productive conversation. To me, that's how he's different from someone like, say Taylor Lautner, who's seems to be mostly promoting his ability to do a backflip.
Complimenting someone’s ability to create a work that is known to many is not the same as defending their views politically
I agree that it's different, but in the economy in which we operate, such "compliments" (I'm referring to promotion) can create a direct association with profit. JKR is spending that money, publicly and proudly, on her anti-trans agenda, donating to anti-trans organizations. Further, when asked about JKR's transphobic views, he simply stated that he "couldn’t speak for what others have said or what she said" and that "she's always been lovely" (I wouldn't call her statements on twitter particularly lovely). I reference this as a defense because at the same time he's promoting JKR's work and helping her to make money, he refused to engage with the reality of her harmful actions, instead only complimenting her when directly asked about them. He wasn't complimenting her work; he was complimenting her, personally, and this was his response to being confronted with her open transphobia. @@MassaAqua
@@sarahstephens9005 Even if he spoke against it. Harry Potter is already bigger than what it is and continues to grow. That’s because HP is much bigger than JKR.
Ok! That's fine, it doesn't change what I said above because it's still JKR's intellectual property.@@MassaAqua
Lol so Jk shouldn’t make money off her work? Simply because you don’t agree with her? Come on now, I love Jk Rowling for speaking out without a care in the world and no fear, more people need to follow her lead. She’s not transphobic for understanding biology. Many people agree with her but won’t say it over fear, fear of being being called names that they are not, like what you’re doing right now. Calling everybody transphobic for not agreeing with you lessons the value and depth of the word. If being transphobic is simply just acknowledging biology then being transphobia means nothing. Stop calling someone all the phobics and lord knows what else for not having the same beliefs as you. You’re too grown to have this mindset. How do you live in the real world? People will disagree all the time, do you call them names that they are not right in front of them? Or are you just a keyboard warrior.? Just know Jk will forever be mega rich and have a legacy for decades to come. I hope you get the same treatment, I hope someone doesn’t agree with you and insults and attacks you over you just expressing your beliefs. Just know you can put fear and stop people from talking and control the weak ones with no backbone, but the ones who have a fight in them and don’t wish to be controlled will not be. Isn’t that embarrassing? Forcing someone to believe what you personally believe by putting fear into them? What kind of p*ssy sh!t is that? Use words accordingly. Oh no someone disagrees they must be all the phobics. You can’t erase our individuality as humans, you’ll d!e trying, have fun fighting a battle that you will never win though.
In the real world, people still love Harry Potter and don't care about JK Rowling's opinions
i was absolutely dreading when you mentioned the ned declassified podcast and then when you put the clip on i just muted it and ran here to hide geezus i still cant believe they spoke about that, aaaaaaggg but yeah interesting video 👍
I will say Haley Joel Osmont played it low key, with a mix with of his role in Kingdom Hearts took a lot of his time to voice and be attached to. Also just taking a break from being in a lot when he was a kid. He was nominated for a lot of awards for the sixth sense. I think he avoided that fatigue but still keeping the nostalgia. I just said a lot to many times.
Nancy Cartwright does this now too 😭 it's very sad to me because The Simpsons is my favorite show and she was probably the most famous voice actor in the early 90's.
How though she voices such other characters from different shows that are quite popular as well ?
I think this is very much related to the employment status of most of the celebrities. I very much remember seeing a short from the declassified kids basically asking for them to reboot the show. There is an incredible difference between talking about an amazing experience that you had as a child, making that your only thing. Toph from avatar the last Airbender is also threading that needle.
I dont think any of them deserve hate. Their childhoods were public and they've never had time to process growing up like you said.
I completely understand Tom Felton. Harry Potter was a HUGE franchise and he grew up in the midst of the fame. Realistically, id probably react the same way if I was him...