The Pat Venditte rule still bothers me to this day. Any pitcher who can do what they can do should absolutely have the advantage. It's an incredibly rare ability. And yet, they allow switch hitters to have the advantage. Hell, I'd argue switch pitchers should be able to pitch with either arm in the same at bat as long as they perform a standard wind up.
@@photobobomb It's still a huge advantage against players who aren't switch hitters and they had to rule in someone's favor there. I don't blame them for ruling the more conservative of the only two choices
Shohei Ohtani was responsible for two rule changes 1) the definition of a two-way player on a roster 2) the Ohtani rule which they created for the 2021 All-star game and put into effect in 2022 where he is allowed to start as a pitcher and DH and stay in as a DH after he exits as a pitcher. These are two pretty big rule changes but they only affect one player. They basically made the second rule bc of Ohtani's star power
2:58 “he wrote an article for the player’s tribune about the 5 toughest pitchers he’s ever faced. It’s titled ‘the 5 toughest pictures I’ve ever faced’ “ 😂😂😂 bruh 😂😂
It was allowed because technically his rear foot never left the ground, with the toe dragging like it did, and because the rear foot of most pitchers will slide forwards at least a little bit during their delivery (either during the step or after they plant their lead foot and start rotating). Because his toe never left the ground it was technically not a step, per the rules.
@@Pretzulkj oh i get that, but it was such an unnatural movement that i think it couldve been restricted immediately. Like they did with some of Nestor Cortez's funky timing deliveries.
Moreoever it’s clear that it was against the spirit of the rules and that the action was not actually that difficult. People weren’t doing it because it was clearly, patently, and obviously a balk. It was a balk when I was in little league before Capps was born. It was a balk in every league every pitcher pitched in until Capps did it in the MLB. Everyone else who pitched had been told and had that called as a balk for a hundred years.
@@michaelmcmeel914 Not quite... Everyones foot leaves the rubber before they release. Its just not supposed to by the rule. The actual way it is played and the way its called is "the trailing foot cannot leave the rubber before the lead foot hits the ground". You get to take a step you don't get to take a leap.
He was also allowed to use an under-sized bat to help generate more bat speed. Other players were using the same "body armor" before the rule change yet they had to stop using it while Bonds was allowed to keep his. His bat was shorther, looked more like one of his many kids little league bats. The Commissioner back then did everything he could to get Bonds the record.
This was a fun video to watch. Talking about the Earl Weaver rule would be an interesting segment. By having a resting pitcher be selected as the DH, he could pinch hit their DH to who he felt was best. Also, while not entirely due to him, Joe Maddon's popularizing the shift did cause massive rule changes years later.
I read about the Earl Weaver rule while researching and I kinda regret not doing a segment on that because it is interesting. Truly decades ahead of his time as a manager.
"Quirk in their game" seems to be a euphemism for "hey look at what I'm getting away with". I normally associate a quirk with something that's largely unintentional / accidental ---- Nobody will convince me that there wasn't intent to gain a competitive advantage with this quirk.
I didn’t know a pitcher could be amphibious lol ambidextrous maybe but amphibious is interesting lol love the channel dude couldn’t resist the joke lol
@AndThatsBaseball I've also been active in the comments explaining why you called Venditte amphibious Great video, good jokes, great voice. Keep it up.
Mike Hargrove was the first baseball player to be named "The Human Rain Delay". There were pitcher way before this guy who stalled and stalled taking walks around the mound after each pitch so this clock crap wasn't put in play for this 1 pitcher. The league got tired of BOTH Pitcher and Hitters antics. Steve Trachsel was also called THRD in his time.
I've always thought it was a little silly that Ks/9 was the measure of how good a strike out pitcher a pitcher is when Ks per Batter would make more sense. If you think about it Ks/9 punishes a pitcher for getting outs via ways other than a strike out while rewarding pitchers who give up more hits and walks with more opportunities to strike outs batters per game bc they face more batters.
I'm a lifelong cricket lover, and baseball is new to me, but, by way of example of one player changing rules...few years ago, the Laws of Cricket were adjusted such that if the bowler dislodged the bails during their delivery action, that made it a No Ball, as opposed to a dead ball. It has been known ever since as the Steven Finn rule - because other teams got pissed about Mr Finn doing it all the time....
Switch pitcher should get the advantage. It's crazy that a batter can change boxes mid at bat, but a pitcher can't change what hand they use. Makes zero sense. Batter gets set, then the pitch happens. That's the rule, why reverse it just to punish once in a generation talent?
@AndThatsBaseball The Pine tar incident: In 1975, Thurman Munson, a Yankees player, was called out for having too much pine tar on his bat, In 1983, MLB enforced a rule against pine tar after the Pine Tar Incident.
It’s from Nightmare in Dreamland and titled “vs dedede” The soundtracks for all videos are listed in the description if you want to check out the other music I use
For that first guy, Capps, how can anyone possibly think that is or should be legal? What's next have pitchers do a huge leap 8 feet from the rubber before throwing? Or hell get some to do a big flip first to gain momentum before releasing the ball closer to homeplate. Just a few inches closer to the plate for a batter is night and day in their reaction abilities.
Pat Venditte is a lost opportunity. When he showed up in the Yankees' minors, I imagined scenarios where if here were to tire, he can switch to the other arm. Or, if he's out for something like Tommy John surgery, he can switch over to a single arm while the injured arm is healing.
I hate what they did to Pedro Baez.That was his style. His style of pitching was to mentally get the edge and destroy the pace of the batting team. he was genius and also created at lot of EXTRA TIME FOR WARMING pitches on the team and for everyone to regain their breath. He was one of the greatest team players pitcher.
It’s one of those rules that’s a lose lose situation. I also credit some of it to the unwritten rules of baseball that have been dismantled over the last decade. That could also be something to really think about.
I hated watching Báez because he was absolutely atrocious during the postseason. During the regular season, he had flashes of brilliance, sometimes being outright elite. But during the postseason, he was responsible for the Dodgers coughing up runs in the late innings. I remember him being tagged for losses during the Mattingly and early Roberts years. When he pitched against the Rays during the 2020 World Series, I wasn’t surprised when he blew the lead. In fact, I predicted it.
Barry's elbow guard, and his plate crowding would have never happened in the 80s. He used a short bat, crowded plate, with body armor to protect him from hbp. Nolan Ryan would have knocked him back into the dugout. I think barry is the best hitter ever by a big margin, with Ted Williams 2nd. But barry especially benefited greatly.
You (and the article you show) are wrong about Harris and Mullane and "amphibious" pitchers. Rather famously, Bert Campaneris pitched from both sides in the game in which he played all nine positions.
Can you do a video about the Twins player from I think 2004 or 2003 who played the first 13 games of the season and he got a hit in each of those games accumulating a 13 game hit streak and then he got called down to the minors and never played in an MLB game ever again
I don't think Carter Capps would've been able to throw that much even if MLB didn't ban his delivery because he would've got injured from his wild delivery. Still, I wish I was able to see how he would perform if he played a full season.
Not gonna lie pitch clock to me is unnecessary due to the fact baseball is both unpredictable and timeless. It could be long or short. Everyone has a different timing approach.
@@-Warcrime- it's probably a joke. As someone with an interest in these guys amphibious gets used just about as often as ambidextrous when people talk about them
Yeah, they got this wrong. Batter needs to get in the box first. This should not be on the pitcher. I mean, does it even matter? Well, yeah. Apparently. If we are talking about rules, yeah, batter needs to get in the box first. I hope they change this.
Baez was so awful to watch, dude would take 4 minutes to walk a guy on four straight balls. There's a reason he hasn't been in the league since the pitch clock addition.
Thats when baseball was at its best say what you will about roids but everyone watched every game to see if mcguire or bonds was going to hit one into a different area code and the race to the single season hr record
LMAO ... there were 4 Dodgers on that - TOP TEN SLOWEST PITCHER'S LIST. they really know how to hit the margins HARD! my favorite team btw, but I can see y y'all hate them. I would!
I mean, come on, it SHOULD be illegal to break contact with the rubber when throwing a pitch. A batter is confined into the batter's box and cannot move forward to gain an advantage so why should a pitcher be able to jump forward to gain a competitive advantage?
That's one of the ugliest pitches I've ever seen.. You may get away with something like that for a season or two, but the rules will catch up, and then you've wasted all that time and have to completely change your mechanics.. I guess a player could do something like this for a year or two to get a big payday
They could have let Connor Capps take 3 steps toward the plate and the GOAT “Barry bonds” would have still fed the sharks! And that’s on everything I love…should be the biggest controversy in baseball, bonds not getting into the hall!
im so disappointed in everyone except the dodgers, they the ones who spend.... what is anyone else doing... hate the dodgers but cant blame them. i want to tho, but what is anyone else doing? nothing!!! a crime
Some collector must have one of these bond guatds full of sweat and stuff what are the odds it could be tested with modern equipment? They all seem to start at the same time...maybe the pads were soaked in gear or something that couldn't be traced and could be easily destroyed with like Gatorade? Man I wish I worked in the wacky CIA Operation room
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The Pat Venditte rule still bothers me to this day. Any pitcher who can do what they can do should absolutely have the advantage. It's an incredibly rare ability. And yet, they allow switch hitters to have the advantage. Hell, I'd argue switch pitchers should be able to pitch with either arm in the same at bat as long as they perform a standard wind up.
I was thinking about this as I made the video, and I agree with you. It would be cool to have one specific guy who could outmaneuver switch hitters.
@@photobobomb It's still a huge advantage against players who aren't switch hitters and they had to rule in someone's favor there. I don't blame them for ruling the more conservative of the only two choices
@@photobobomb Baseball already has enough pacing issues as is. Don't need PA taking forever every time a switch hitter wants to swap.
The reason they made the rule is so if a switch hitter and pitcher went against each other they would be stuck switching forever
@mgasolprodz33 I get that, I'd argue forever that the batter should be the one to declare which side he intends to bat on.
"Nobody on Earth could stop Bob Gibson. So they moved the Earth entirely. And that didn't work either." - Jon Bois
That’s why he’s the GOAT (Jon and Bob both)
That amphibious headline strikes again 😂
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@@Jaziem 🐸
@7:08 BRO did you really say "Amphibious"... I love it 💀
@@sweeny1772 tuhrrible
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Shohei Ohtani was responsible for two rule changes 1) the definition of a two-way player on a roster 2) the Ohtani rule which they created for the 2021 All-star game and put into effect in 2022 where he is allowed to start as a pitcher and DH and stay in as a DH after he exits as a pitcher. These are two pretty big rule changes but they only affect one player. They basically made the second rule bc of Ohtani's star power
Thank you for that. I’ve been wondering how that works
It is a reference to a typo in a newspaper article.
2:58 “he wrote an article for the player’s tribune about the 5 toughest pitchers he’s ever faced. It’s titled ‘the 5 toughest pictures I’ve ever faced’ “ 😂😂😂 bruh 😂😂
This was an extremely informative video. I will now be rooting for another switch handed pitcher to make the bigs so goodluck to that dude.
Jurrangelo please save the MLB brand please
Your dedication is really shining through brother! The improvement in both your visuals and vocal delivery is impressive. Keep up the great work! 📈
Thanks, appreciate that!
Always wondered how Capps delivery was ever allowed. It's pretty obvious how unfair it was.
It was allowed because technically his rear foot never left the ground, with the toe dragging like it did, and because the rear foot of most pitchers will slide forwards at least a little bit during their delivery (either during the step or after they plant their lead foot and start rotating).
Because his toe never left the ground it was technically not a step, per the rules.
@@Pretzulkj oh i get that, but it was such an unnatural movement that i think it couldve been restricted immediately. Like they did with some of Nestor Cortez's funky timing deliveries.
Moreoever it’s clear that it was against the spirit of the rules and that the action was not actually that difficult. People weren’t doing it because it was clearly, patently, and obviously a balk. It was a balk when I was in little league before Capps was born. It was a balk in every league every pitcher pitched in until Capps did it in the MLB. Everyone else who pitched had been told and had that called as a balk for a hundred years.
@@dalemoses2443 That’s exactly what I dropped into the comments to say. If your foot leaves the rubber before release, that’s a balk.
@@michaelmcmeel914 Not quite... Everyones foot leaves the rubber before they release. Its just not supposed to by the rule. The actual way it is played and the way its called is "the trailing foot cannot leave the rubber before the lead foot hits the ground". You get to take a step you don't get to take a leap.
Bonds’ armor size increase corresponded with the size of his head increase.
He was also allowed to use an under-sized bat to help generate more bat speed. Other players were using the same "body armor" before the rule change yet they had to stop using it while Bonds was allowed to keep his. His bat was shorther, looked more like one of his many kids little league bats. The Commissioner back then did everything he could to get Bonds the record.
7:08 i think you mean ambidextrous 😂
I think you're mistaken
Naw brother it’s amphibious.
@@preston6213 it’s bait for comment engagement, and we bit
@@preston6213 it's a meme because a newspaper headline called him amphibious instead of ambidextrous. lol
This was a fun video to watch. Talking about the Earl Weaver rule would be an interesting segment. By having a resting pitcher be selected as the DH, he could pinch hit their DH to who he felt was best. Also, while not entirely due to him, Joe Maddon's popularizing the shift did cause massive rule changes years later.
I read about the Earl Weaver rule while researching and I kinda regret not doing a segment on that because it is interesting. Truly decades ahead of his time as a manager.
@@AndThatsBaseball Certainly
Awesome video anyways!
"Quirk in their game" seems to be a euphemism for "hey look at what I'm getting away with". I normally associate a quirk with something that's largely unintentional / accidental ---- Nobody will convince me that there wasn't intent to gain a competitive advantage with this quirk.
Bob Gibson was an animal on the mound. I was fortunate to meet him on several occasions when I lived in Omaha earlier in life.
Love the GTA themes playing in the background lol
I didn’t know a pitcher could be amphibious lol ambidextrous maybe but amphibious is interesting lol love the channel dude couldn’t resist the joke lol
"What a time to be alive, I imagine" got me to subscribe
I’m glad someone liked this joke as much as I did
@AndThatsBaseball I've also been active in the comments explaining why you called Venditte amphibious
Great video, good jokes, great voice. Keep it up.
Mike Hargrove was the first baseball player to be named "The Human Rain Delay". There were pitcher way before this guy who stalled and stalled taking walks around the mound after each pitch so this clock crap wasn't put in play for this 1 pitcher. The league got tired of BOTH Pitcher and Hitters antics. Steve Trachsel was also called THRD in his time.
It's wild that possibly the greatest pitching season ever had fewer than a strikeout per inning.
Was a ton of innings tbf
I've always thought it was a little silly that Ks/9 was the measure of how good a strike out pitcher a pitcher is when Ks per Batter would make more sense. If you think about it Ks/9 punishes a pitcher for getting outs via ways other than a strike out while rewarding pitchers who give up more hits and walks with more opportunities to strike outs batters per game bc they face more batters.
This is why I prefer K% to K/9
7:08 Yogi Berra said it, if he hits right and left, he is amphibious !!! 🤣😂😆😅😄⚾
I'm a lifelong cricket lover, and baseball is new to me, but, by way of example of one player changing rules...few years ago, the Laws of Cricket were adjusted such that if the bowler dislodged the bails during their delivery action, that made it a No Ball, as opposed to a dead ball. It has been known ever since as the Steven Finn rule - because other teams got pissed about Mr Finn doing it all the time....
The Chase Utley rule and the Buster Posey rule both come to mind
Switch pitcher should get the advantage. It's crazy that a batter can change boxes mid at bat, but a pitcher can't change what hand they use. Makes zero sense.
Batter gets set, then the pitch happens. That's the rule, why reverse it just to punish once in a generation talent?
Thought this video was going to be about the Ohtani rule. You know where he can DH When he’s pulled from the game as a pitcher.
That Capps thing was 100% BS. I dont know how they let him get away with it for one pitch. It is flat out cheating.
oh man that's hilarious. sees 4 pitches, all balls, spits on all of them. "oh man, that was some of the nastiest stuff i've ever seen!"
You left out Hack Wilson, from 1934 to this day they still wet the field in front of home-plate so you can't get as many RBI's doing the hack swing.
@AndThatsBaseball The Pine tar incident: In 1975, Thurman Munson, a Yankees player, was called out for having too much pine tar on his bat, In 1983, MLB enforced a rule against pine tar after the Pine Tar Incident.
18:55 where do I find this slowed down version of the DreamLand theme??
It’s from Nightmare in Dreamland and titled “vs dedede”
The soundtracks for all videos are listed in the description if you want to check out the other music I use
For that first guy, Capps, how can anyone possibly think that is or should be legal? What's next have pitchers do a huge leap 8 feet from the rubber before throwing? Or hell get some to do a big flip first to gain momentum before releasing the ball closer to homeplate. Just a few inches closer to the plate for a batter is night and day in their reaction abilities.
Bob Gibson played for the Harlem Globetrotters before signing with the St. Louis Cardinals.
Pedro Baez invented the pitch clock ⌚!
I might be the only baseball fan who enjoys watching slow working pitchers
Pat Venditte is a lost opportunity. When he showed up in the Yankees' minors, I imagined scenarios where if here were to tire, he can switch to the other arm. Or, if he's out for something like Tommy John surgery, he can switch over to a single arm while the injured arm is healing.
I hate what they did to Pedro Baez.That was his style. His style of pitching was to mentally get the edge and destroy the pace of the batting team. he was genius and also created at lot of EXTRA TIME FOR WARMING pitches on the team and for everyone to regain their breath.
He was one of the greatest team players pitcher.
They should have the switch pitcher and the switch hitter declare to the ump secretly and then whatever matchup ensues is as "fair" as it gets
Mike Hargrove was the original 'Human Rain Delay'...
The chase uttley slide rule is particularly heinous. Other people were aggressively sliding but that dude was a real piece of work.
It’s one of those rules that’s a lose lose situation. I also credit some of it to the unwritten rules of baseball that have been dismantled over the last decade. That could also be something to really think about.
Jordan Walden was also a jumper but he was out of the league after 2015.
The switch pitcher should get the nod based off of degree of difficulty alone
This is obviously traveling.
I guess this is somewhat similar to a crow hop in fast pitch softball.
I hated watching Báez because he was absolutely atrocious during the postseason. During the regular season, he had flashes of brilliance, sometimes being outright elite. But during the postseason, he was responsible for the Dodgers coughing up runs in the late innings. I remember him being tagged for losses during the Mattingly and early Roberts years. When he pitched against the Rays during the 2020 World Series, I wasn’t surprised when he blew the lead. In fact, I predicted it.
Barry's elbow guard, and his plate crowding would have never happened in the 80s. He used a short bat, crowded plate, with body armor to protect him from hbp. Nolan Ryan would have knocked him back into the dugout. I think barry is the best hitter ever by a big margin, with Ted Williams 2nd. But barry especially benefited greatly.
Gibson was arguably the most dominant pitcher ever
Randy Johnson with that slide would be throwing what looked like 140 for a batter.
Lol dude said what a time to be alive about the 90s, like it was the 1800s
3:18 - Who is the "Him" referenced with Sonny Gray, and what did he do?
Larry Rothschild
And that was baseball
Had a kid (18) that did that against us in ALB about 20 yrs ago…..I bitched about it to no avail….they allowed it.
I mean, if they were to allow that insane step, what would be then stopping him from taking extra single foot steps all the way to home plate?
If the Mariners make Jurrangelo Cijntje drop an arm I'm going to be so mad
Mo Vaughn wore a hockey elbow pad
You (and the article you show) are wrong about Harris and Mullane and "amphibious" pitchers. Rather famously, Bert Campaneris pitched from both sides in the game in which he played all nine positions.
Nobody is going to mention the "Slide" by Chase Utley?!!!!
Can you do a video about the Twins player from I think 2004 or 2003 who played the first 13 games of the season and he got a hit in each of those games accumulating a 13 game hit streak and then he got called down to the minors and never played in an MLB game ever again
Amphibious pitcher! That made me laugh! I guess Macho Man Randy Savage was an Amphibious catcher than.
I don't think Carter Capps would've been able to throw that much even if MLB didn't ban his delivery because he would've got injured from his wild delivery. Still, I wish I was able to see how he would perform if he played a full season.
I get the hop step out of my stretch so
Not gonna lie pitch clock to me is unnecessary due to the fact baseball is both unpredictable and timeless. It could be long or short. Everyone has a different timing approach.
7:08 I can't tell if this is a joke or a flub
It's a joke, a reference to someone else making it deliberately
@@ryanbranch1430 What's the reference? Just in general? That's not a very good joke without referencing something specific.
There was a newspaper headline that said "amphibious pitcher makes debut" back in 2015
@@-Warcrime- it's probably a joke. As someone with an interest in these guys amphibious gets used just about as often as ambidextrous when people talk about them
Yeah, they got this wrong. Batter needs to get in the box first. This should not be on the pitcher.
I mean, does it even matter? Well, yeah. Apparently.
If we are talking about rules, yeah, batter needs to get in the box first. I hope they change this.
Baez was so awful to watch, dude would take 4 minutes to walk a guy on four straight balls. There's a reason he hasn't been in the league since the pitch clock addition.
Truly unwatchable
Thats when baseball was at its best say what you will about roids but everyone watched every game to see if mcguire or bonds was going to hit one into a different area code and the race to the single season hr record
LMAO ... there were 4 Dodgers on that - TOP TEN SLOWEST PITCHER'S LIST. they really know how to hit the margins HARD! my favorite team btw, but I can see y y'all hate them. I would!
Is that a durham bulls shirt?
Yup, it's a Bulls short sleeve hoodie, love it
@AndThatsBaseball pretty dope. are you in durham? That's my local team
I feel like bonds was a bit uh bigger in later years so they had more to hit lol
50 pounds of mass
7:05 - "amphibious"?
The adverb form of unorthodox is unorthodoxly.
I mean, come on, it SHOULD be illegal to break contact with the rubber when throwing a pitch. A batter is confined into the batter's box and cannot move forward to gain an advantage so why should a pitcher be able to jump forward to gain a competitive advantage?
7:08 amphibian pitcher lolol i think u mean ambidextrous lolol
AMPHIBIOUS
Buster Posey rule?
7:09 Amphibious? Uhh
Joel Peralta was a SLOW worker so was Dennis Martinez
That's one of the ugliest pitches I've ever seen.. You may get away with something like that for a season or two, but the rules will catch up, and then you've wasted all that time and have to completely change your mechanics.. I guess a player could do something like this for a year or two to get a big payday
Was he playing baseball or magic, though? Because those are different games with different rules.
Accomplice liability. It's how to get away with murder, if you're into that kind of thing.
'68 Tigers still beat Gibson!!!😅
Caps was definitely illegal. This isn't softball. It should be illegal in softball too though.
Bulls shirt = sub
They could have let Connor Capps take 3 steps toward the plate and the GOAT “Barry bonds” would have still fed the sharks! And that’s on everything I love…should be the biggest controversy in baseball, bonds not getting into the hall!
Looks like a crow hop and should not be allowed.
Carter Capps crow hopped his way out of the league. Other than one partial year, he was garbage.
im so disappointed in everyone except the dodgers, they the ones who spend.... what is anyone else doing... hate the dodgers but cant blame them. i want to tho, but what is anyone else doing? nothing!!! a crime
But Trevor Bauer is still blackballed lol
you said "amphibious" when I think you meant "ambidextrous"...
damn
It’s a cheap, scumbag move…
Some collector must have one of these bond guatds full of sweat and stuff what are the odds it could be tested with modern equipment? They all seem to start at the same time...maybe the pads were soaked in gear or something that couldn't be traced and could be easily destroyed with like Gatorade? Man I wish I worked in the wacky CIA Operation room
Why do you talk like AI?
The pitcher was just trying to prolong his career. Can't fault him for that
Carter Capps just cheated until they finally made a rule. How did they let that go for so long?