He called CP3 a hall of famer before anything. But he mainly brought into question why CP3's short comings aren't slandered or scrutinized like other superstar players. I don't see that as such a huge deal.
@Joseph Olarewaju not the same these two are just trying to make it that way pat bev said he’s not never going to speak on a man when he’s trying to get his money that’s why he said max harden out. But Chris got his money and have been stinking it up in the playoffs for years with great teams . Harden has only had one bad year and has had lesser talent on his teams besides last season which he got hurt and this season
@@lamadesurvivor5216 Broussard is great. I don’t know how you see that at all. He is more credible than any basketball analyst on Fox. Rob is the one lacking credibility
Pat Beverly lost no credibility. It is good Beverly tells the truth from players perspective. Sports media has a chance to come back if they involve player truths and not trying to form their own narrative.
@@wilsutton9907 Ok so you are objective? Listen it directly from the players. If he dont like CP3 he said it honestly and gave his reasons. TF you are talking about objective ?
I think his credibility was lost because he talking out with his emotions instead of his thinking. Remember last year when the sun's beat the clippers and pat shoved cp3.
It's not that I don't agree, I just think it's ridiculous to say that Bev loses credibility bc he's biased. Reporters and broadcasters on mainstream media are some of the most biased individuals, yet we tune in bc they are entertaining. Bias is not something that is exclusive to NBA players. Rob Parker been hating on Lebron James for over a decade, but I guess that's just "objective" right?
Thank you. The take industry is built in with so many biases. All these reporters and journos are sharing their personal views mostly especially the popular ones. I think Broussard might be the only dude without bias against some star or player. all the rest are just like Pat Bev
So Westbrook could talk trash about Patrick's main calling card which is defense and ruin his reputation not based on facts, but Patrick can't clown CP3 for blowing another lead? He's stating fact
I agree with the guys here, players are often very biased when it comes to appraising their peers but here's my issue... SO IS THE MEDIA (both for or against certain athletes). Rob on Brady, Nick Wright/Colin Cowherd/Shannon Sharpe on LeBron, Skip Bayless on Baker Mayfield/Brady/LeBron. I could go on forever with the biases of media personalities with specific athletes. I agree with the sentiment but the sentiment is rather hypocritical
These fake analysts are butt hurt when players have started speaking with honesty. Their endgame is near. It's understandable that they don't like it. 😂
@@TavaraTheLaughingLion lmao love this ratard type of comment. Draymond speaks in platitudes, no breaking down of anything. Hesitant to critique other players because other players don’t know how to be objective, on top of all that - draymond is a mouth breather and sounds like he has marbles in his mouth. Bill simmons, who started the whole blogging and podcast thing never played pro ball and is an order of magnitude more interesting, funny and intelligent. Draymond wondered aloud who he is - well draymond, he is the guy that created a little something called 30 for 30,so players like him can get on their knees and blo me.
I feel Pat Bev says what he truly feels. We all know hes biased. But also, Paul gets a lot of love of the media. The slander that a normal All time great wud get doesnt apply to him as much. Hes getting slander now but his legacy has been cemented in most people's eyes. He can only go up. But if u lose 5 times after having a 2-0 series lead, it shud be diminshed to some extent as it wud apply to every other person.
He fell out of top 5 pg all time for me and i was a hornets cp guy. Magic, steph, Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson, and Stockton now. He could maybe beat out Oscar and Stockton with his offensive bag but that top three is untouchable now for me. Nash would be right there too.
He didn't say he wasn't an all-time great. He said CP3 was a HOF & that he liked his game. Chris love your takes, but did you listen to Pat Bev? Be fair
Exactly lmao he literally said he changed the game. He specifically said HIS PROBLEM IS THAT CP DOESNT GET SLANDER AS MUCH AS HE GETS PRAISE. THATS FAIR
those giving praise one liners before the disrespect is not valid, people do that attempting to mask the bias but it never works. he’s a hot take guy we already have too many of those
You can be critical of players play but patrick beverly went to far. Some media do the same thing. They get personal and bias on players they don't like
Pat Bev is 100% right.. The media never bad mouth him.. Rob Parker rip Brady for his own post on IG. Skip badmouth Westbrook, and Lebron, and call them all types of names.
@@antoinejenkins2096 y’all see what you want to see lol. Everybody and their mom ripped CP3 last year and this year. SAS said they choked and that him and DBook need to be viewed differently. Chris said he couldn’t believe it and that they needed to prove themselves before he can buy into the hype. JJ ripped them, Rob never thought they’d win and called them frauds. Skip and Shannon ripped Chris Paul. Nick Wright? All of these people came out and pointed at Paul choking. So when I see y’all run around on here saying “no slander, he never gets any heat, he gets blown out and nobody says anything” when literally everybody IS calling him out after the blow out I know your basing this off of anecdotal nonsense or just choosing to hear what you wanna hear. People called him out bro
Pat bev was simply asking why the media are so biased with CP3. Why the media always protects him when he falls short but you destroy other players such as curry, Ben Simmons, harden etc
I don't always agree with Chris and Rob, but I'll take their opinion and analysis over Pat Bev any day of the week. Pat DESTROYED his credibility by saying Harden deserves a supermax contract. gtfo.
Chris and Rob don’t analyze anything. This is what you people do not understand. They debate topics. Most of their topics have nothing to do with the game of basketball just stories in basketball. There is a difference.
Pat Bev actually plays in the NBA lol but Ya ur right… I can’t argue the point about Bev saying Harden deserves a Max contract. That made 0 sense at all and he clearly showed the true secret ‘code’ is for players to never say another player doesn’t deserve his money 💰
Well Pat Bev isn't an analyst. He's just a guest so his personal opinion should be expected. He has his own nuanced analysis that shouldn’t be discredited.
Bro, if all he's going to do is just be a dumb-down version of Stephen A. Smith and every other so-called basketball analyst who bashes players and try to create sound bites to get their names out there and not be objective and actually talk about what goes on in a game. I have no use for them in that setting.
Chris Paul is 37 y/o…Beverly sounds dumb ripping a 37 y/o who is asked to do way too much. He didn’t have this same energy when talking about Devin Booker’s trash performance.
,I get tired of this and im not even a CP3 fan, who criticizes Jason Kidd, or Gary Payton? Neither has a chip, and he has better stats than both, I would post it but they're deleting it. Go to 'Land of Basketball', Cp3 vs either and peep the stats. If you don't simply eat whatever Bev is feeding you, come back with facts saying he's less than them, or ANYONE saying they're trash and explain. No excuses J Kidd played with Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson, Kerry Kittles, and Kenyon Martin, Glove played with Kemp and other stars. Kidd lost back to back finals. Were they trash, expound ill wait, and I have more PGs that had great careers with zero chips.
CP3 is not a 37yo with a veteran minimum contract. He CHOSE to sign that 120 million contract, now people finding excuses that he's too old? Was he too old when he accepted that money? I'm sorry but this kind of contract comes with responsibilities in both success or failure
I don’t think a worse player talking about a better player matters. Most of the sports talk show people couldn’t even play college sports, let alone being professionals.
Beverly flamed CP3 then said they blew a 3-1 lead because they ain’t have fans and he missed his Kids in the Bubble 😂. They both go out sad every year 😅
But you touched on the most important part early on in the video. The ratings and engagement were high and to be honest...that's all that matters to any network especially ESPN.
He loses no credibility. He said the truth and it’s hurting ESPN’s little political feelings. He said he gets calls cause he’s the president of the players association, fact. He said y’all don’t cut other players slack for downfalls, so why not him too? Fact. ESPN is so far left in their political views now and can say whatever they want. But when it is said back to them. They can’t handle it. Smh
Cp3 should have been critized for overactiing to a 10 year old fan tapping his Mom's shoulder , and calling the twitter lynch mob to react to the statement " put hands ".
I wonder if they would be saying this if Pat Bev decided to go on the Odd Couple and say all of this. Considering the views and attention it would get, I highly doubt it!
@@qbangamerr5871 calls out skip? Hardly. He laughs at his crazy remarks and entertains his stupidity. He hasn’t legitimately called him out since the ESPN days
I have no problem with what Pat Bev said. He has a right to voice his opinion and people have rights to criticize his opinion, that's the way it works. Also why is the media always in players pockets when it comes to their contracts like it's their money
Please，Harden and CP3 were 2 different cases in Bev's discussion. In Harden, Bev was talking about the money; in CP3, Bev was talking about BB performance. He just wanted player to earn as much money as possible. That is why he said D Green should be super Max even though Green wasn't.
It’s not like he doesn’t have a point. The way everyone treats CP vs how they treat Westbrook for example is night and day. They both haven’t gotten it done but over the course of their careers the media coverage has been vastly different. Pat Bev just used the wrong players for his example
Wrong example to use with Russell Westbrook like he hasn't been the same since KD left yea he put up the numbers but, he only been outta the 1st round once since KD left
He's not supposed to count that man's money, saying he doesn't deserve the money could potentially cut his money, they are in the same Money market, that would be counter productive. Set the bar high.
The 6ers don't give a damn what Pat Beverly think or any other outside players opinion, about their team. Any one with anytype of vision can see the decline in Hardens play.
Let's be real now, Patrick Beverley is not really a player that teams focus on in free agency. He's an MLE guy at best, Vet min at worst. I don't think teams are going to be choosing between him or Chris.
@@TheHauntedKiwi I don’t think you understand what the original comment was alluding to. From an average players perspective you want the best players to get the most money because a rising tide lifts all boats. It just increases what a role player can get down the line in future CBA’s. Yes Pat Bev is in the MLE range but the higher the salaries on average the higher the MLE will be.
Patrick, Beverly got his little 15 minutes of fame on television. Good for him. Now he can go back to being a below average player with a mouth. Chris Paul is a Hall of famer in waiting. If he felt that Chris Paul was a dirty player then he should have went in on that instead of talking all of this nonsense that he said he made it personal And that's where the problem lies.
Yes he made it way too personal. He has some major issues with Chris Paul and it’s getting weird. I still remember how he pushed Chris Paul and made him fall. Pat Beverly is way too emotional… like he did all that whining when they beat the clippers… like dude stop and just play!!!
I appreciate the professionalism and experience you both bring in the sports journalism arena. The trend of giving a public platform for past and current sports stars for biased commentary is growing out of control. Continue keeping to your journalistic roots. Keep the personal rants to Twitter and Instagram
That’s why ESPN brought him back. I mean it was just perfect timing. But I think the players are mad at him for calling CP3 a cone. But yeah CP3 doesn’t get a lot of heat for a Point god
@@LurnWell that’s minimal heat. It’s just a factual statement. The most heat he’s gotten in 3 years was, “well I wouldn’t pay an ageing point guard under 6’0 200M dollars. That’s it? For harden or Russell it would’ve been “these guys are garbage now! They don’t have what it takes and never did!”
I also need to be fair too, I think you both did a great job presenting this issue especially the "you never played" idiotic statement. Keep up the great work!! This was a good, worthwhile discussion!
@@antoinejenkins2096 He still has lebron at 2nd all time, unlike some former players who don't even have lebron in their top 10. The media is biased but lets not act like players aren't just as biased
he's fresh and opinionated, excellent, he's right they shouldve benched Paul he sucked, Bev said it I didnt hear anyone else say it and he's totally right, his opinion about Hardens contract wont impact the outcome of Hardens deal, Lebron's true value is 75 mil/yr but union deal doesnt allow him to have it Giannis should make 100 mil a year
@@jg3gc yea he ‘claims’ he has Lebron at number 2 on his list but dogs him EVERY CHANCE he gets and talks about him like he’s number ten thousand on his list
I'm not saying Beverly is wrong, but I'd have my head on a swivel come next year on court. Players are tight in the league and when one is dissed, their friends will have CP3 back.
Patrick Beverly never really had credibility like that. ESPN invited him all week just to be a hater. He’s projecting. And I don’t even like Chris Paul lol.
So I guess EVERYONE forgot the game when Chris Paul TORCHED Pat Bev so bad that Pat Bev pushed Chris in the back just because he was GETTING BUCKETS on Pat Bev on his way to the finals..... THATS where the slander comes from
I love it when athletes take the mic and become analysts, but Patrick Beverley (so far) has been atrocious. No personality, no nuance to his opinions, insecure... For example, he was asked who he would rather guard, Steph or Luka. His response was, "It doesn't matter, I'm going to find a way to be successful against either one." That's a great response in a post-game interview. It's a terrible response if you're an analyst. You gotta be aware enough to answer the question that's not being asked. The question within the question was more than who he would rather guard, it was a prompt for him to compare two very different players and what makes each of them special. Anyway, he dropped the ball on multiple occasions. He's got a long way to go, IMO.
Love the show gents but didn’t do your homework on this one. Pat Bev was being specific on the series not Cp3 whole career. A lot of emotions went into this take. He was spot on about how cp3 performs in late playoff runs.
Two dudes who never played varsity high school ball talking about a nba player losing all credibility on his first day ... ☠️ im just glad stephen a is still putting my boy pbev out there to keep these media dudes accountable
That last bit of knowledge. When was the last time you went to journalism school? I always take the time to understand someone's work before I criticize how they work.
1st, when did Beverly ever have credibility? 2nd, Rob Parker acts like he’s a media star but he’s just along for the ride. Take Broussard off this show and literally no one would watch it. They always put a very good analyst who is likable with a bum. Stephen A had to carry Bayless, Sharpe Carries Bayless now, and Broussard, who has real credibility & sports knowledge, is carrying Parker who doesn’t. CB’s on every show. Why u think Rob’s never invited? 🤔😂
Players can bring some interesting takes but Imo they're better as guest roles. Too many players use the crutch of "I played I know more" without actually articulating the point they're attempting to make
i agree with a lot of what you guys said, but dont pretend like regular media people who arent athletes are always unbiased. People like Skip are almost always biased
The point is he wasn't trying to critique CP3, he was streight-up humiliating the man. Although i think "overly personal" would be preferable to "biased".
If you’ve ever given Pat Beverly credit , you were a fool to begin with. Watch dude play and listen to him talk you can tell the engines running but nobody is driving,
Guarantee you if Chris Paul calls ESPN he gets Pat's job tomorrow. Chris Paul choked but Pat Bev is in a long line of "role player analysts that don't have long careers." Bruce Bowen, Ryan Hollins, Eric Snow. Even better players like Chris Webber. Lots of nonstar analysts come and go. Brady Quinn was an analyst until Tony Romo wanted his job.
@@naswiipp Please. You want this now, but I guarantee you as you get older and the target demo gets younger, they're going to want to put guys out there people actually know from game highlights. Most analysts that last are like Chuck or Shaq, Kenny Smith is an outlier. Greg Anthony had like 8 years before they moved on, same with Bill Walton. Its a brutal cycle to keep up with the age of the desirable (advertising wise) viewer.
I like ACTIVE NBA players sharing their insights, it’s raw it’s real. Pat Bev expressed or exposed the real thoughts of many nba players re CP3. A cone. Analysts and journalists are concocting narratives and protecting sources and relationships, so all their arguments are measured to an extent. Pat Bev came direct, with passion. JJ Reddick became an analytics guy, and shares very limited player perspective. Pat Bev is a better version of Barkley and Shaq giving their opinions. Pat’s loyalty to Harden is real.
It’s entertaining. I loved it. It’s obvious he don’t like CP. he just think people need to criticize CP like they do everyone else. It sounds like y’all jealous. We all know y’all been in the game for a long time
Exactly and they are not always objective either. They are talking about trying to preserve journalism. This segment just made me think they are not comfortable with players in their space especially if rating go up. Pat Bev has been the best thing that's happened to ESPN this week. Folks get tired of listening to the same sports story daily.
@@NSoutherland_WellnessMD Yeah they see those guys are taking jobs they feel they should have. What’s happening is these guys are retiring from their sports then going back to school and getting a journalism degree and taking their jobs. Vince, Jaden. Marcus Wiley to Name a few. These athletes are not dumb anymore
He called CP3 a hall of famer before anything. But he mainly brought into question why CP3's short comings aren't slandered or scrutinized like other superstar players. I don't see that as such a huge deal.
Agreed
For me I feel it was more egregious him singing James harden praises
The truth hurts
@Joseph Olarewaju bingo…goes to show you how biased Pat is. When someone is as biased as Pat the. He loses credibility. That’s just he way it is.
@Joseph Olarewaju not the same these two are just trying to make it that way pat bev said he’s not never going to speak on a man when he’s trying to get his money that’s why he said max harden out. But Chris got his money and have been stinking it up in the playoffs for years with great teams . Harden has only had one bad year and has had lesser talent on his teams besides last season which he got hurt and this season
Rob Parker talking about lack pf credibility is hilarious
Chris Broussard too 😮💨
@@lamadesurvivor5216 Broussard is great. I don’t know how you see that at all. He is more credible than any basketball analyst on Fox. Rob is the one lacking credibility
I almost fell out of my chair when I heard Rob talking about objectivity
@@thinglizzy2718 no he isn't, Broussard is a flip flopper and tries to put his comments under “people are saying“ tag
@@bigman7570 not rlly if he’s wrong he’s wrong just like he said about Phoenix and nets ?
Pat Beverly lost no credibility. It is good Beverly tells the truth from players perspective. Sports media has a chance to come back if they involve player truths and not trying to form their own narrative.
Facts
but PAT Bev isn't objective stop it!!
@@wilsutton9907 Ok so you are objective? Listen it directly from the players. If he dont like CP3 he said it honestly and gave his reasons. TF you are talking about objective ?
I think his credibility was lost because he talking out with his emotions instead of his thinking. Remember last year when the sun's beat the clippers and pat shoved cp3.
Pat can't speak for other players
lmao so it's ok for Rob Parker to hate on Tom Brady and Skip to hate on Lebron but Pat Bev can't have his feelings? stop it
Rob has really strong views on former players being analysts, but he doesn’t even begin to meet his own standards for others.
It's not that I don't agree, I just think it's ridiculous to say that Bev loses credibility bc he's biased. Reporters and broadcasters on mainstream media are some of the most biased individuals, yet we tune in bc they are entertaining. Bias is not something that is exclusive to NBA players. Rob Parker been hating on Lebron James for over a decade, but I guess that's just "objective" right?
Thank you. The take industry is built in with so many biases. All these reporters and journos are sharing their personal views mostly especially the popular ones. I think Broussard might be the only dude without bias against some star or player. all the rest are just like Pat Bev
Rob Parker and Chris Broussard are extremely biased so their shouldn’t dare open their damn mouths to speak on tjis
So Westbrook could talk trash about Patrick's main calling card which is defense and ruin his reputation not based on facts, but Patrick can't clown CP3 for blowing another lead? He's stating fact
Agree, they are protecting their sources. Now we know who is the biggest snitch on the lead.
Nobody gets slandered like Westbrook stop it
@@lordbeerus6182 yes other players do. You know that
@@lordbeerus6182 not slander he brings it to himself
@@robertrios1732 def slander
I agree with the guys here, players are often very biased when it comes to appraising their peers but here's my issue... SO IS THE MEDIA (both for or against certain athletes). Rob on Brady, Nick Wright/Colin Cowherd/Shannon Sharpe on LeBron, Skip Bayless on Baker Mayfield/Brady/LeBron. I could go on forever with the biases of media personalities with specific athletes. I agree with the sentiment but the sentiment is rather hypocritical
Exactly this dudes have no face to play that card
Great answer
You got down on this post in it’s entirety X 1000% …… Thank you for the F A C T S !!!
Everybody calm down, y r y’all taking Beverly so seriously??????? It’s Beverly 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Exactly 💯 the back pusher 🤣
@@decepticonxtreme6893 defending notoriously dirty chris paul?
Slow news day 😂
Great point.
Beverly takes himself seriously.. 🤔
Rob Parker unbiased? Now that's a joke!
A complete joke!
Lol
@@zackarykasprzak3073 Right, Pat Bev's take on CP3 the the same as Rob Parker's take on TB12 & "Stat Padfford"
yah but he's 6'4
😅😅Yes he is but Pat Bev is still playing and he's way more bias than Rob.
I love Dreymond Green’s podcast. So I’m all for current players input on the game.
It's better than listening to ppl that never played the game professionally, I'll tell you that
It’s really good
@@TavaraTheLaughingLion facts
These fake analysts are butt hurt when players have started speaking with honesty. Their endgame is near. It's understandable that they don't like it. 😂
@@TavaraTheLaughingLion lmao love this ratard type of comment. Draymond speaks in platitudes, no breaking down of anything. Hesitant to critique other players because other players don’t know how to be objective, on top of all that - draymond is a mouth breather and sounds like he has marbles in his mouth. Bill simmons, who started the whole blogging and podcast thing never played pro ball and is an order of magnitude more interesting, funny and intelligent. Draymond wondered aloud who he is - well draymond, he is the guy that created a little something called 30 for 30,so players like him can get on their knees and blo me.
Actually he didnt lose anything he gained a ton of fans lol People are mad he spoke the truth
Preach!! Chris & Rob need to go..
Pat's takes were legit but they were so coated with animosity and bitterness that no one wants to take him seriously
His harden take wasnt…
Truth except the harden take
Now all of a sudden people love pat bev give me a break
I feel Pat Bev says what he truly feels. We all know hes biased. But also, Paul gets a lot of love of the media. The slander that a normal All time great wud get doesnt apply to him as much. Hes getting slander now but his legacy has been cemented in most people's eyes. He can only go up. But if u lose 5 times after having a 2-0 series lead, it shud be diminshed to some extent as it wud apply to every other person.
Bro what about james harden.
Na man Harden doesnt deserve that at all. We all know his takes are biased. I guess they just called him in for entertainment.
@Caveman he already said he's biased tho we know this , but he was ,making a point about the media in general being biased
@Caveman Exactly facts king
He fell out of top 5 pg all time for me and i was a hornets cp guy. Magic, steph, Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson, and Stockton now. He could maybe beat out Oscar and Stockton with his offensive bag but that top three is untouchable now for me. Nash would be right there too.
He didn't say he wasn't an all-time great. He said CP3 was a HOF & that he liked his game. Chris love your takes, but did you listen to Pat Bev? Be fair
Exactly lmao he literally said he changed the game. He specifically said HIS PROBLEM IS THAT CP DOESNT GET SLANDER AS MUCH AS HE GETS PRAISE. THATS FAIR
I think today Pat Bev gave more context whereas yesterday it seemed to be nothing but personal.
He called the player with the *fourth most steals of all time* in the nba a cone.
I stopped listening after that
Pat bev doesn’t like Cp3 and was taking shots at him. Name another player that went on tv and trash talked another current player. Pat bev is a weirdo
those giving praise one liners before the disrespect is not valid, people do that attempting to mask the bias but it never works. he’s a hot take guy we already have too many of those
You can be critical of players play but patrick beverly went to far. Some media do the same thing. They get personal and bias on players they don't like
Chong ? Is that you? This is bong qui. We danced at the river.
As a rockets fan I love pat bev. That dude is ride or die with his boys. I respect that.
Except when you turn into a media personality especially as a player you have to keep it real and unbiased
Rob Parker isn’t Biased?? Lmao that’s hilarious
I think the subtle difference for me personally is that it isn’t personal for rob. He’s just wrong
Pat Bev is 100% right.. The media never bad mouth him.. Rob Parker rip Brady for his own post on IG. Skip badmouth Westbrook, and Lebron, and call them all types of names.
Cp3 has gotten so much slander throughout his career lmao you people listening to pat bev are idiots
I can’t stand CP3 as a person Arrogant and dirty. As a player, he’s incredible but a choker on the highest moments. Choke God.
@@gugy68 🤡
They bad mouth westbrook everyday cp3 got blown out by 40 and still no bad mouthing
@@antoinejenkins2096 y’all see what you want to see lol. Everybody and their mom ripped CP3 last year and this year. SAS said they choked and that him and DBook need to be viewed differently. Chris said he couldn’t believe it and that they needed to prove themselves before he can buy into the hype. JJ ripped them, Rob never thought they’d win and called them frauds. Skip and Shannon ripped Chris Paul. Nick Wright? All of these people came out and pointed at Paul choking. So when I see y’all run around on here saying “no slander, he never gets any heat, he gets blown out and nobody says anything” when literally everybody IS calling him out after the blow out I know your basing this off of anecdotal nonsense or just choosing to hear what you wanna hear. People called him out bro
Did Beverly ever have credibility? Truly must be one of those slow sports reporting months to resort to featuring Beverly's take.
Exactly!!
Pat bev was simply asking why the media are so biased with CP3. Why the media always protects him when he falls short but you destroy other players such as curry, Ben Simmons, harden etc
Beverly and his opinions entertained me a lot
“Best in the world! Best in the world!” 😳 bruh was hilarious and the look he had on his face 🤣
I don't always agree with Chris and Rob, but I'll take their opinion and analysis over Pat Bev any day of the week. Pat DESTROYED his credibility by saying Harden deserves a supermax contract. gtfo.
u believe in monkey pictures with different colors should be valuable
Chris and Rob don’t analyze anything. This is what you people do not understand. They debate topics. Most of their topics have nothing to do with the game of basketball just stories in basketball. There is a difference.
@@seen3804 lol 😂
Pat Bev actually plays in the NBA lol but Ya ur right… I can’t argue the point about Bev saying Harden deserves a Max contract. That made 0 sense at all and he clearly showed the true secret ‘code’ is for players to never say another player doesn’t deserve his money 💰
Well Pat Bev isn't an analyst. He's just a guest so his personal opinion should be expected. He has his own nuanced analysis that
shouldn’t be discredited.
Well said! It's Pat after all, in full throttle!
Yea but that was clearly an audition
Bro, if all he's going to do is just be a dumb-down version of Stephen A. Smith and every other so-called basketball analyst who bashes players and try to create sound bites to get their names out there and not be objective and actually talk about what goes on in a game. I have no use for them in that setting.
He had some valid points but didn't articulate them very well. He isn't a professional anylist so let's not condemn him that much.
what did he say that was "inarticulate"? it is not rocket-science out there.
@@tellall23 “can’t guard nobody”, I don’t believe is grammatically correct
Maybe if you judge his choice of words then ok but he didn't say anything y'all haven't said about LBJ in his 19th year.
Pat Bev is doing what others won’t, call out “superstars” who are never super when it matters.
🤡
Chris Paul is not a superstar!??
Culture Hub nigga he called out Chris Paul , he’s a superstar lol 🤦🏻♂️
@@culturehub2628 Can you read nigga? He's the superstar that's never super when it matters. Stay locked in lil fella.
Chris Paul is 37 y/o…Beverly sounds dumb ripping a 37 y/o who is asked to do way too much. He didn’t have this same energy when talking about Devin Booker’s trash performance.
.. cp3 gets no criticism when he fails and he fall short all the time.
,I get tired of this and im not even a CP3 fan, who criticizes Jason Kidd, or Gary Payton? Neither has a chip, and he has better stats than both, I would post it but they're deleting it. Go to 'Land of Basketball', Cp3 vs either and peep the stats. If you don't simply eat whatever Bev is feeding you, come back with facts saying he's less than them, or ANYONE saying they're trash and explain. No excuses J Kidd played with Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson, Kerry Kittles, and Kenyon Martin, Glove played with Kemp and other stars. Kidd lost back to back finals. Were they trash, expound ill wait, and I have more PGs that had great careers with zero chips.
@@ceasj23 GP got one with the Heat but I still get you point
@@ceasj23 Payton did get a championship with the Miami Heat remember
@@ceasj23 Jason Kidd got a chip with the Mavericks. They beat the Heat. 2011
CP3 is not a 37yo with a veteran minimum contract. He CHOSE to sign that 120 million contract, now people finding excuses that he's too old?
Was he too old when he accepted that money?
I'm sorry but this kind of contract comes with responsibilities in both success or failure
I don’t think a worse player talking about a better player matters. Most of the sports talk show people couldn’t even play college sports, let alone being professionals.
Beverly flamed CP3 then said they blew a 3-1 lead because they ain’t have fans and he missed his Kids in the Bubble 😂. They both go out sad every year 😅
I mean if u only get to see ur kids in the summer n the bubble was in the summer I get that. U can't replace kids over basketball
Pat said this with CP3 goes way back to when they were young.
But you touched on the most important part early on in the video. The ratings and engagement were high and to be honest...that's all that matters to any network especially ESPN.
He loses no credibility. He said the truth and it’s hurting ESPN’s little political feelings. He said he gets calls cause he’s the president of the players association, fact. He said y’all don’t cut other players slack for downfalls, so why not him too? Fact.
ESPN is so far left in their political views now and can say whatever they want. But when it is said back to them. They can’t handle it. Smh
Noooooo, Rob is never biased(Brady) winnk wink! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*cough, cough* Lebron
Cp3 should have been critized for overactiing to a 10 year old fan tapping his Mom's shoulder , and calling the twitter lynch mob to react to the statement " put hands ".
Just because you let people touch your mom others may not
Phoenix brought this on themselves
I don't care what y'all say. Pat Bev was awesome on all those platforms. That's why they brought him back! I loved it!!!!
I wonder if they would be saying this if Pat Bev decided to go on the Odd Couple and say all of this. Considering the views and attention it would get, I highly doubt it!
Bev sucks
They would bro, they would challenge him on the show
Chris calls out skip, a lifetime analyst on his own undisputed multiple times and he won't call out bev on his own show? Hard to believe
@@qbangamerr5871 calls out skip? Hardly. He laughs at his crazy remarks and entertains his stupidity. He hasn’t legitimately called him out since the ESPN days
current player would never say another doesn't deserve money, max or not
I agree with you 200%, it's one thing to hate on Chris Paul game, but these guys know as a current player you never talk about another man's 💰
@@marksylvain2839 should have asked bev whether cp3 deserves his max money after losing game 7, he would still suck it up and say absolutely
@@elai3147 that's the vibe I got from him also
I like what Pat Bev has to say , he has the right to have his opinion on a basketball take. He also plays hard and knows his role
I have no problem with what Pat Bev said. He has a right to voice his opinion and people have rights to criticize his opinion, that's the way it works. Also why is the media always in players pockets when it comes to their contracts like it's their money
Please，Harden and CP3 were 2 different cases in Bev's discussion. In Harden, Bev was talking about the money; in CP3, Bev was talking about BB performance. He just wanted player to earn as much money as possible. That is why he said D Green should be super Max even though Green wasn't.
Watch everybody gonna steal that cone reference that's a good one
They were questioning whether or not Tom Brady had the IT factor on TV, Pat Bev has the IT factor on TV
It’s not like he doesn’t have a point. The way everyone treats CP vs how they treat Westbrook for example is night and day. They both haven’t gotten it done but over the course of their careers the media coverage has been vastly different. Pat Bev just used the wrong players for his example
Wrong example to use with Russell Westbrook like he hasn't been the same since KD left yea he put up the numbers but, he only been outta the 1st round once since KD left
Patrick Beverley like what Martin said he's a little comedian 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Of course he’s going to be personal because he still in the NBA🤷🏾♂️🤔
He's not supposed to count that man's money, saying he doesn't deserve the money could potentially cut his money, they are in the same Money market, that would be counter productive. Set the bar high.
The 6ers don't give a damn what Pat Beverly think or any other outside players opinion, about their team. Any one with anytype of vision can see the decline in Hardens play.
Let's be real now, Patrick Beverley is not really a player that teams focus on in free agency. He's an MLE guy at best, Vet min at worst. I don't think teams are going to be choosing between him or Chris.
@@TheHauntedKiwi I don’t think you understand what the original comment was alluding to. From an average players perspective you want the best players to get the most money because a rising tide lifts all boats. It just increases what a role player can get down the line in future CBA’s. Yes Pat Bev is in the MLE range but the higher the salaries on average the higher the MLE will be.
Patrick, Beverly got his little 15 minutes of fame on television. Good for him. Now he can go back to being a below average player with a mouth. Chris Paul is a Hall of famer in waiting. If he felt that Chris Paul was a dirty player then he should have went in on that instead of talking all of this nonsense that he said he made it personal And that's where the problem lies.
But chris paul is washed and cant win this is facts and nnone wants to say it
Yes he made it way too personal. He has some major issues with Chris Paul and it’s getting weird. I still remember how he pushed Chris Paul and made him fall. Pat Beverly is way too emotional… like he did all that whining when they beat the clippers… like dude stop and just play!!!
I appreciate the professionalism and experience you both bring in the sports journalism arena. The trend of giving a public platform for past and current sports stars for biased commentary is growing out of control. Continue keeping to your journalistic roots. Keep the personal rants to Twitter and Instagram
He ain't lie about cp3 not getting enough slander for his playoff runs
I too wanna say you guys do a phenomenal job. And I love the show!
I detect alot of jealousy from these two because they see pat bev and jj would be the Perfect odd couple !
That’s why ESPN brought him back. I mean it was just perfect timing. But I think the players are mad at him for calling CP3 a cone. But yeah CP3 doesn’t get a lot of heat for a Point god
Cp3 was trashhhhhhhhhhhhhh and noone wants to call him out
ESPN was trying to get them ratings and they nailed it yo
He does get heat. They knock him and say he's getting too old every year. 🙄
@@LurnWell that’s minimal heat. It’s just a factual statement. The most heat he’s gotten in 3 years was, “well I wouldn’t pay an ageing point guard under 6’0 200M dollars. That’s it? For harden or Russell it would’ve been “these guys are garbage now! They don’t have what it takes and never did!”
@@LurnWell what heat? Doc is the one getting flamed for blowing up that 3-1 lead with that lob city team.
I also need to be fair too, I think you both did a great job presenting this issue especially the "you never played" idiotic statement. Keep up the great work!! This was a good, worthwhile discussion!
They are biased parker hates lebron
@@antoinejenkins2096 He still has lebron at 2nd all time, unlike some former players who don't even have lebron in their top 10. The media is biased but lets not act like players aren't just as biased
he's fresh and opinionated, excellent, he's right they shouldve benched Paul he sucked, Bev said it I didnt hear anyone else say it and he's totally right, his opinion about Hardens contract wont impact the outcome of Hardens deal, Lebron's true value is 75 mil/yr but union deal doesnt allow him to have it Giannis should make 100 mil a year
You never played is a fact
@@jg3gc yea he ‘claims’ he has Lebron at number 2 on his list but dogs him EVERY CHANCE he gets and talks about him like he’s number ten thousand on his list
Pat Bev lost his credibility not on his CP3 take, but his defense for Harden’s super max.
the writers and reporters are never ever ever biased in their opinions. 🤣🤣😳😳🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Right! Love it when they throw around that word: “Objectivity”….Come on now. That sh*t died a long time ago 😂
I'm not saying Beverly is wrong, but I'd have my head on a swivel come next year on court. Players are tight in the league and when one is dissed, their friends will have CP3 back.
Patrick Beverly never really had credibility like that. ESPN invited him all week just to be a hater. He’s projecting. And I don’t even like Chris Paul lol.
Fr.
Chris Paul is a front runner ….
@@kingroyalty9621 And Pat Bev got schooled last year in the playoffs by CP3 got his feelings hurt, now he's on ESPN lashing out. 😂
So I guess EVERYONE forgot the game when Chris Paul TORCHED Pat Bev so bad that Pat Bev pushed Chris in the back just because he was GETTING BUCKETS on Pat Bev on his way to the finals..... THATS where the slander comes from
@Tonio5100 tell me what Pat lied about ?????
Your talking about games in the past. He’s talking about his last series.
I love it when athletes take the mic and become analysts, but Patrick Beverley (so far) has been atrocious. No personality, no nuance to his opinions, insecure... For example, he was asked who he would rather guard, Steph or Luka. His response was, "It doesn't matter, I'm going to find a way to be successful against either one." That's a great response in a post-game interview. It's a terrible response if you're an analyst. You gotta be aware enough to answer the question that's not being asked. The question within the question was more than who he would rather guard, it was a prompt for him to compare two very different players and what makes each of them special. Anyway, he dropped the ball on multiple occasions. He's got a long way to go, IMO.
I got a huge point to make for harden. How come Chris Paul sign super max. He never average 22-10-8. Paul George don’t neither
I would take either of them over Harden right now
@@itsjob595 Chris Paul never in his career average 22-10-8
Nah...NBA players dont talk publicly about each other like that..I guarantee you his peers in the NBA didnt like it one bit
Love the show gents but didn’t do your homework on this one. Pat Bev was being specific on the series not Cp3 whole career. A lot of emotions went into this take. He was spot on about how cp3 performs in late playoff runs.
Na. He talked about the failings across his entire career.
You totally wrong , shut up
Two dudes who never played varsity high school ball talking about a nba player losing all credibility on his first day ... ☠️ im just glad stephen a is still putting my boy pbev out there to keep these media dudes accountable
I like Pate and Draymond on tv or podcast because they actually plays the game.
Rob you were spot on with your take. Even the Charles Barkley point. Couldn't of said it any better
Exactly
Good old ConeP3 lol 😂
That last bit of knowledge. When was the last time you went to journalism school? I always take the time to understand someone's work before I criticize how they work.
Bring out the toothpick and the sweet tea with the refrigerator ice it’s about to go down!!
1st, when did Beverly ever have credibility?
2nd, Rob Parker acts like he’s a media star but he’s just along for the ride. Take Broussard off this show and literally no one would watch it. They always put a very good analyst who is likable with a bum.
Stephen A had to carry Bayless, Sharpe Carries Bayless now, and Broussard, who has real credibility & sports knowledge, is carrying Parker who doesn’t. CB’s on every show. Why u think Rob’s never invited? 🤔😂
Beverly vs Paul is one thing: Disdain for one another as competitors. Same with Rondo and Paul or Jordan vs Detroit.
I think former players be lying on TV. And some of them don't even watched the games. LOL Right Shaq... LMAO
Yeah CB hit it right on the head. Beverly is just a loudmouth who can’t intelligently back up his absurd takes.
Been watching the NBA since the 70’s. Never have seen the WOW factor with Paul. He’s been an excellent journeyman player and a #2 in the lineup.
Rob said it better than I could have. We love Charles Barkley for his honesty.
The Charles Barkley argument was good by Rob parker
Will the media give an objective look? Hell no.
Chris Broussard was flossing 🤣 during the show
Skip and shannon are also not objective...
Players can bring some interesting takes but Imo they're better as guest roles. Too many players use the crutch of "I played I know more" without actually articulating the point they're attempting to make
i agree with a lot of what you guys said, but dont pretend like regular media people who arent athletes are always unbiased. People like Skip are almost always biased
Skip doesn’t even try to hide it. It’s part of his clown act
The point is he wasn't trying to critique CP3, he was streight-up humiliating the man. Although i think "overly personal" would be preferable to "biased".
the tv ratings with pat bev are great because viewers think most in sports talk tv hold back on their opinions and feelings
It's not too late for Fox Sports to get in on the Patrick Beverly action.
Rob parker lost his credibility a decade ago. He is the one that knows this the best.
If you’ve ever given Pat Beverly credit , you were a fool to begin with.
Watch dude play and listen to him talk you can tell the engines running but nobody is driving,
After he said harden should get a max deal I haven’t clicked on anything with him on it.
Guys who never played trying to discredit actual nba players is absolutely ridiculous!!
Pat Bev just guaranteed himself a job after his career is over
Guarantee you if Chris Paul calls ESPN he gets Pat's job tomorrow.
Chris Paul choked but Pat Bev is in a long line of "role player analysts that don't have long careers."
Bruce Bowen, Ryan Hollins, Eric Snow. Even better players like Chris Webber. Lots of nonstar analysts come and go.
Brady Quinn was an analyst until Tony Romo wanted his job.
That 🤡 would be the a dumber skip bayless
@@TheHauntedKiwi nobody wants to listen to Chris Paul. Pat Bev gives that real.
@@naswiipp Please. You want this now, but I guarantee you as you get older and the target demo gets younger, they're going to want to put guys out there people actually know from game highlights.
Most analysts that last are like Chuck or Shaq, Kenny Smith is an outlier. Greg Anthony had like 8 years before they moved on, same with Bill Walton. Its a brutal cycle to keep up with the age of the desirable (advertising wise) viewer.
Pat needs to stay away from the mike until he’s retired
Meanwhile he’s claiming Harden deserves a super max.. that boy a clown and clearly tryna suck up his way to another contract in Philly
I think Chris forgot he was on camera 4 a while 😂🤣
NO WAY, NO HOW!
Shout out to Pat Bev!!
Lol you dudes just posted a vid calling paul a playoff loser but are upset someone called him a playoff loser?
I like ACTIVE NBA players sharing their insights, it’s raw it’s real. Pat Bev expressed or exposed the real thoughts of many nba players re CP3. A cone. Analysts and journalists are concocting narratives and protecting sources and relationships, so all their arguments are measured to an extent. Pat Bev came direct, with passion. JJ Reddick became an analytics guy, and shares very limited player perspective. Pat Bev is a better version of Barkley and Shaq giving their opinions. Pat’s loyalty to Harden is real.
REmember hollins? that dude was spitting non sense
Drill sergeant to beverly, "what is your major malfunction numnuts...didn't mommy & daddy show you enough attention when you were a child"..😁😁😁
Pat Bev looked like he would be in a alley walking around saying "I got these cheeseburgers."
id rather listen pat over redick, jj avoids upsetting anyone so he can interview them in his podcast
JJ Reddick is a smart dude..not a big dummy like you! Never bite the hand that feeds you!
It’s entertaining. I loved it. It’s obvious he don’t like CP. he just think people need to criticize CP like they do everyone else. It sounds like y’all jealous. We all know y’all been in the game for a long time
Exactly and they are not always objective either. They are talking about trying to preserve journalism. This segment just made me think they are not comfortable with players in their space especially if rating go up. Pat Bev has been the best thing that's happened to ESPN this week. Folks get tired of listening to the same sports story daily.
@@NSoutherland_WellnessMD Yeah they see those guys are taking jobs they feel they should have. What’s happening is these guys are retiring from their sports then going back to school and getting a journalism degree and taking their jobs. Vince, Jaden. Marcus Wiley to Name a few. These athletes are not dumb anymore