Watchtower created the monster named gossip and now it's turned on them. Did they not encourage their members to snitch on one another? Is it not a Watchtower sin if a member is silent when sees so called bad habits or 'immorality' occurring?
Cross-checking information from various sources will always be more accurate than cross-checking information from a single source. Thank you Lloyd and thank you Internet.
I was a JW for 25 years and all the congregations I was in were full of judgemental gossiping people,mostly gossiping about other brothers and sisters!
Unending gossip and judgement are at the forefront of JW life. Without it, there'd be no way for members to run to the elders with all the mandatory snitching on their friends.
I think its control of the Witnesses not being close to each other. I say that because the Witnesses aren't good at being close true friends with each other. Everyone is friendly but there's always a cold distance amoung the group. Everyone stays to themselves unless its related to a group situation. I guess its hard to explain unless you live it and then leave it and step back and reflect.
Yes exactly. Even as a kid I picked up on the weird vibe inside the hall and would leave as soon as the meeting ended and sit in my parents car until they left. I could see though the fake smiles and friendliness at a early age.
Well I am skipping weekend field service just when we are starting up. I fear the consequences and what people will say. I am trying to fade away. Granted I am not feeling well and have not been for over week.
My heart goes out to you. Your hesitation may be due to the underlying fear of the unknown. One thing you may not have experienced yet is unconditional friendship. Not to say you will find good friends immediately, but at least you have the freedom to choose your associates! If you’re as backwards as I was about this process, just go slowly, in general people have good intentions & most ‘worldly’ people do like us! ☺️
Sorry you haven't been feeling well. Be concerned more with you and your life, and continue to do some research, to figure out for sure where you stand, get all your questions answered. You cannot always live in fear of what others may think, because you can't live your life for other people and their opinions. I can understand the fear involved though, there's fear of the unknown, and the indoctrination fear from within this organization. I remember years ago doing research at the library, thinking im going to be in trouble, is lighting going to stike me, is another witness here somewhere and going to report on me. I'm so glad I'm out, did my research, I have not a one iota of a thought, that this is a high control, group, which keeps their members controlled by fear and by being shunned. I'm so glad I got out before I got married and I had kids, I couldn't imagine putting them through what I had to deal with growing up. Anyway I hope you find what you are looking for.
That’s the point ! You’re so afraid of these control freaks that you can’t take time to rest and feel better! You just know you’re going to get emotionally abused when you get back . Just tell them you were sick! Just that one sentence and don’t explain any further. If they mention that video about that person with cancer dragging themselves to meetings or service . Just shrug and don’t say anything then tell them you want to go to the bathroom or you forgot something. Then leave! You don’t have to explain yourself! Be a little rude if you have to.
@@FyourCult Easier said than done. I know I am going to have Elders at my door if I keep doing what I am doing, and they are nice and caring people. It sucks how the GB has made things.
Time and time again I read or hear about people who attempt to “make the truth their own” and every single time it backfires and causes them to leave. The teachings of the Jehovah’s witnesses fall apart upon the slightest examination. I was able to determine that for myself at the tender age of 16
@@footstepsthroughhistory it was indeed. A dirge of a number in 3/4 time I believe. It was also (and possibly still is) a mantra of theirs. It may be from scripture, I can’t remember.
Reminds me of when I made an Instagram post while pimo of one of my gothic outfits and a lot of my cousins sent it back and forth to each other then I got calls from one of them saying my post had everyone in “a tizzy” and also when someone from the congregation I was in found my tiktok and sent it to the elders lucky for me I was just about to tell them I was done with the organization and I made that my official exit
Just wanted to say your song on your channel is AWESOME! And the faint thunder in the background makes it sound surreal, too. You should dedinitely do more recordings! 😃 If you do, I hope you find success. You deserve it. More people need to hear that wonderful voice! Peace!😎☮️🌈
@@annalisevh02 You are most welcome! 😀 Btw, I usually check out people's channels before commenting. Just so you don't think I was stalking or something. 😉 Just know I was pleasantly surprised to find something genuinely wonderful for a change. 😊 I hope you continue to pursue/make more music. It would be a shame if more people didn't hear your work. 😞 Take care and good luck to you! 😎🤘☮️❤️🌈
I'm glad you called it a soap opera because that's what it is, not a legitimate Bible drama simply entertainment to fill a time slot. some good ole British Days of our lives...
When I was in, a sister that was visiting, who had a grudge against me, went to my elders and told them a lie about me. Instead of asking me about it, or asking her for proof, the elders went around to all my friends in the congregation and asked if they had seen me doing what she said. She didn't need to spread the rumor the elders did it for her.
All the brouhaha about a JW gal simply promoting her little business on social media really highlights the meddling, judgmental nature of JW culture as fostered by the Watchtower leadership & hierarchy. Petty nitpicking, scrutinizing, trifling, tattling, judgmental criticism, jealousy and conditional love are all standard behavior characteristics of JW culture ! ! I know and have experienced it 1st hand.
So true. And apparently it’s gotten so bad that the GB needed to address it by spending time and money on creating a dramatization. Of course, this gossip issue is totally self-inflicted due to what you described above.
I have watched so many videos that tonight I even dreamt about Lloyd and his family. In my dream I met them all on a bus vacation in Scandinavia, when our buses stopped at the same restaurant (the place had simple food but a beautiful green outside area with tables and a playground) for a meal break. Lloyd and his wife and kids seemed very happy and delighted about their Scandinavia tour. In the dream we had a short and pleasant conversation about some cult that had been on the news (and I felt I sounded like an atheist, even though I am agnostic), and then I decided I'd give them some privacy and went back to my own friend's table where an old friend whom I haven't seen in years suddenly showed up wanted to make an interview with me for his magazine about how my young self would have viewed my presend self and my present life (I felt the topic was ment as a subtle criticism and tried to get away). Sorry, this is so off topic! 😅
Now that we are out my exjw friend goes “let’s gossip!” Lol makes me laugh so hard. Every single person “gossips”. It’s part of life. It’s just a way to control of wt. psh!
In the JW community, as for hearing both sides of the story, well what about a Witness who stays overnight at the home of someone of the opposite sex that they are related to, or if they're staying overnight in the home of someone who is known to be gay? If a Jehovah's Witness does either of those things, the Elders of their congregation will automatically assume that you were having sex with them, basically, and then you'll be asked to appear before a Judicial Committee comprised of three congregation Elders. You can be disfellowshipped and shunned for that. In JW culture, you're guilty until you can prove your innocence.
OMG years ago my car broke down at night outside a JWs house that were related to me in marriage,this JW was a female single sister and had her grown up daughters at home also,I was going to sleep in my car until I could fix it the next day but went in and asked if I could possibly sleep on the floor? I was not in the religion but used to be, the sister phoned an elder to see if it was OK to stay he said NO! So I was made to sleep in this sisters garden under the moon with a blanket because I was not a JW and could of slept with the mother how crazy are these people to judge me that day as this was the last thing on my mind! So many elders have power over the congregation its unreal but that power sometimes seems to be unbalanced!
Hopefully one of those Bethelite Elders will declassify that database for everyone to have access to, along with the other databases buried from the public.
😂🤣😂Botta Bing Botta Boom!!! 😂🤣😂 The minute I heard those two idiots discuss that verse, I instantly saw your point! The entire system collapses on itself. From the "kangaroo kourts" to the 8 snake heads, the Stone hit the feet and the entire "golden image" fell crashing. 😇😇😇😇
@@cherylseebreth328 I was in a hurry so I left out a few choice words like grotesque, disgusting, pathetic “golden” WTBS image 😂 And…also Job 5:13… cause we can thump the Bible too!! God indeed has a subtle and Profund sense of HUMOR!
surely they are rejecting the bread and wine passing from hand to hand without eating the bread and drinking the wine which is the body and blood of Christ and being a divine command!
One of the 10 commandments states: Do not say a false witness against your neighbor... ( Including family members and cong.members) A lie is a lie ... nobody should spread a lie. But when it comes to speak the truth Don't feel afraid to speak .... And he said: Lesson both sides of the story... Very true... Is that the way when they. Say tor CSA to be quiet??? Is speaking the truth ,the same of spreading a lie??? Crist open his mouth when he needed to criticize the faresies. But He was in silence when Pilatos question him. The point is: speaking the truth when is necessary is Importante to defend justica. Spreading lies is punishment by the law of God ... shouldn't happen.
They refuse to hear from apostates and anyone that questions them because they will dismiss it as "satan's thoughts going into your mind to stray you from the path". It's pathetic.
Hi Lloyd, I like how you analyze the words. Regardless of you being exJW , when help with boxes is requested, it is with clear intention of stopping the conversation. Also, "I am going to have X to do Y" ... well, where that beautiful approach with reflection allowing the person to make the conclusion, by his own, is gone? Thank you for sharing your thoughts, which I think are an invitation to think and not an imposition to accept.
i left 2 months ago blocking all my contacts even my dad. 10 years i lost. thats what i saw gossip everywhere theyd say not all congregations are like that funny iv never been to a congregation that was good. i ended up with basically ptsd trauma from the religion especially leaving was the worst treatment, shunned and im only classed as inactive too. so judgemental. funny how they say non witnesses dont care or have your best interest and cant be your friend yet i have great friends who are non witnesses. yet as soon as you leave jws shun you.
I really hope your friend sees this and your previous video Lloyd because there’s some kind of deep and silent sadness in his eyes, voice and energy. Something that goes beyond the character is portraiting.
He seems overly stressed and guilt ridden to have to act that part out. Good job Lloyd, and I know some of these subjects pull on emotional strings. Keep up the good work.
The cringe factor of this JW soap opera is off the scale. I want to chuck up in a bucket after watching that old creepy guy spout such cr@p. Great video Lloyd, thanks Gray
I remember when just being on social media was a problem😂 there was one circuit assembly where we were told to basically delete our Facebook account. So a lot of young witnesses in my circuit did............. and started Instagram accounts lol
I was sent here by another exJW here from my RUclips channel. I am in South Africa and am South African. I was born in a family of JW, became one by baptism at 19. I married a JW, little did I know that I was marrying a psychopath that drugged the whole family and raped both me and our biological first born. This continued for years. The elders wanted a second witness to the matter yet expressed disappointment of me going to the police. This surfaced in 2012.
Left in 2017 after 18 years my Lord and savior Christ Jesus opened my eyes to this cult no more false doctrine and dates no more harassment no more blood sacrifices anymore thank God iam free from this false organization
Emotional enmeshment is expected and encouraged in the name of "protecting each other." It's all thinly-veiled hunger for drama and indicative of overall poor mental health plaguing members of this organization. They're all seriously bored and have no boundaries.
Babysitting, babysitting babysitting. Do you call these grownups? Do not have anything else to do? I remember when they told me I have to brake up with my business partner that he was not a JW. 37 years out of the organization. I feel so good. Now I have real friends.
On this ridiculous "don't ask questions outside the church" stance they take, I do note witnesses in general appear oblivious to the contradiction of talking about others as much as possible about their religion but not being willing to listen to others' thoughts on it. People who spend much of their free time talking about religion will tell you they don't have time for it when you bring it up. Does anyone else wish they could just shake some sense into these people?
I was a pioneer for 5 years bethel for 2 yeaes, lets be honest here, the only sin your not allowed to talk about is child sex abuse. Because that costs the borg money. Everything else is what the entire congregation lives for.
When I went to church and someone was "What do you think of X?" Be it a person, doctrinal or political thing my stock answer was "I don't know and I don't care."
This is why l finally left. The gossipers never talk to the actually person if they have any queries they prefer to spread it to the sisters who are so loose tongued in the gossip pool. Then let it run as fact by the time it has grown arms and legs running as fast as a centipede. But they never speak to the accused in the first instance. 😡😡
I was raised as a JW, but had the courage to leave as an adult. As an educated adult, seeing dramatizations such as these, makes me contemplate how we ever accepted such manipulation. Beyond any doubt, not only is the Society’s dramatization so disconnected from reality, it also proves how deeply routed this psychological manipulation and control was forced onto all of us. From a strictly objective point of view, this just is not reality. The content is nothing more than a fictional fairytale. But unfortunately it is not a fairytale, so many kind, caring and loving human beings (including my own family) are so brainwashed, it would be easier to win the lottery than imagine they would escape the indoctrination and manipulation on their own. Truly a sad and hopeless state of affairs, but remember, everyone is discouraged to think for themselves.
I have a strange question... There is a famous youtuber named Jaime French who does comedy sketch videos (she used to do make up tutorials) and she has said on many occasions she's a devout JW. I know she sings at the conventions as she talks about it. How can a JW be devout and doing things like ... oh, you know, spending hours every week staring at themselves online, making online content about themselves etc. and not be torn to ribbons by their elders for being vain?
I noticed when I was looking at the JW library for the first time the other day there is a period in the mid eighties where there is nothing on their site at all for any publication. Does anyone know why?
“Months of research were spent on this one subject of “Chronology” and it resulted in the longest article in the Aid publication. Much of the time was spent endeavoring to find proof, some backing in history, for the 607 B.C.E. date so crucial to our calculations for 1914. We found absolutely nothing in support of 607 B.C.E as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem. Everything pointed to a period twenty years shorter than our published chronology claimed. Though I found this disquieting, I wanted to believe that our chronology was right in spite of all the contrary evidence. Thus, in preparing the material for the Aid book, much of the time/space was spent in trying to weaken the credibility of the archeological and historical evidence that would make erroneous our 607 B.C. E. date thus giving a different starting point for our calculations and therefore an ending date different from 1914.” - Crisis of Conscious PG. 29- Ray Franz - Former Governing Body Member.
A couple thoughts about that bit at the end... the JW are pretty clear on their stance about who is "head of household", to be sure. But there's a step beyond even that: the guy is not willing to speak to Miz Hayley himself, wanting his wife to do it instead. Is that because they're both women? Not quite sure where they're trying to go with this.
I thought he was getting his gun out at the car boot. Quite frankly nothing going to change. They keep forgetting the script every scenario. Repetition for emphasis check the study article. A dude used as the gossiper wow treading carefully.
Lloyd your the best thing that came out of 1979, besides Discovery by ELO, Breakfast in America by Supertramp and Back to the Egg by Wings. Lloyd little did Watchtower know in 1879 that 100 years later a tower demolisher would be born unto us. Justin porter ex jw
@@LloydEvans I was a 18 yr old agnostic in 1979 and they were my 3 favourite albums. I,m now a 61 yr old born again atheist, apostate with a beautiful 50 yr old pimi jw wife Nicole who I drive to and from field service groups and meetings who still loves me very much except for my new beliefs and channel , she's asked me not to mention her in my channel, so I don't . I try to be a better person everyday, so when her jw friends ask about me in morbid curiosity she can tell the single sisters,, find yourself a apostate they make the best husbands. You do inspire me Lloyd along with Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchsons , keep up your good work. Justin porter ex jw
I don't think JW's will ever stop the gossip and finger pointing. To be fair it's not a JW's only issue. But I remember so much gossip, bad gossip, and even a degree of competition among many brothers. Most elders' wives don't keep good secrets either. But I think it's in human nature for people to gossip, and point fingers at others. something you must unlearn! JMHO...
Hearing only one side of the story: Watchtower saying that Jerusalem fell in 606 bc. The OTHER side of the story is ... using WT's own literature PROVES that Jerusalem fell in 586/587 BC (which makes 1914 bunk, and the organization man-made) 539 bc - Babylon falls to Persia; Awake 6/12/12 p 12 556 bc - Nabonidus reigned 17 years until Babylon fell; Aid to Bible Understanding, p 409 556/557 bc - Labashi-Marduk reigned less than one year; succeeded by Nabondius, Aid to Bible Understanding, p 1196 560/561 bc - Neriglissar reigned four years, succeeded by Labashi-Marduk, Aid to Bible Understanding, p 178 562/563 bc - Evil Merodach reigned 2 years, succeeded by Neriglissar, Aid to Bible Understanding, p 178 605/606 bc - Nebuchadnezzar reigned 43 years, succeeded by Evil Merodach, Insight on the Scriptures, pg 480 586/587 bc - Jerusalem fell in the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar; 2 Kings 25:8-9
Once, when they wern't gossiping in the 80's, Jehovah's Witness Technicians developed an electronic system enabling them to translate and print Bible literature in over 370 (R) 370 different languages, quickly and efficiently. So, time zones permitting, the same subjects could be studied by thousands, the same day, using the latest literature. With so many languages now in print, many smaller countries and even various multi-dialect tribes could be approached and offered the good news of the New System, just round the next bend. Also fullfilling the Lord Jesus's ORDER, to "Make disciples of people of all the Nations, baptising them in the NAME, of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". So far, the JW's are the only ones obeying that order. Most other religeons don't even allow Jehovah's name to be mentioned, let alone tell that he would pick a people FOR his name. (Acts 15v14-17). Most Bibles don't even have his name in them, using the excuse that it too Holy for mere mortals to use. Sadly, some of the mis-handling of CSA cases, and one or two other queries of late haven't done his name or the Organization any favors, but as the Prophecy states, when the time is up, he starts the retribution with his own house first.! 1 Peter 4v17. "Goodnite Vienna" time for those guilty.,!
@@misterauctor7353 it certainly is sir, both YARWEH and JEHOVAH are perfectly acceptable.!In fact if you Google Joel P Kramer, the Bible Archeologist, he has a vid showing the Ancient Egyptian symbols for the letters sygnifying Yahweh, which I understand the Jewish people prefer to use. (Which is not often)........And omitted from most Bible translations.!
Without gossip how would the elders get all their info!!!!🤷♂
They have to have reason to disfellowship you know
Watchtower created the monster named gossip and now it's turned on them. Did they not encourage their members to snitch on one another? Is it not a Watchtower sin if a member is silent when sees so called bad habits or 'immorality' occurring?
Spot on
Cross-checking information from various sources will always be more accurate than cross-checking information from a single source. Thank you Lloyd and thank you Internet.
I was a JW for 25 years and all the congregations I was in were full of judgemental gossiping people,mostly gossiping about other brothers and sisters!
Unending gossip and judgement are at the forefront of JW life. Without it, there'd be no way for members to run to the elders with all the mandatory snitching on their friends.
For any sectarian movement, to think for oneself is already to disobey.
I think its control of the Witnesses not being close to each other. I say that because the Witnesses aren't good at being close true friends with each other. Everyone is friendly but there's always a cold distance amoung the group. Everyone stays to themselves unless its related to a group situation. I guess its hard to explain unless you live it and then leave it and step back and reflect.
Yes exactly. Even as a kid I picked up on the weird vibe inside the hall and would leave as soon as the meeting ended and sit in my parents car until they left. I could see though the fake smiles and friendliness at a early age.
I know what you mean. Every body has their cliques of people they like to talk to.
0:58 _"Listen, I don't want to pull you away"_ , but can I just make up an excuse to pull you away for a minute?
About as subtle as if he'd just frog marched Robin out of the KH.
Being involved with social media seems very worldly.
Well I am skipping weekend field service just when we are starting up. I fear the consequences and what people will say. I am trying to fade away. Granted I am not feeling well and have not been for over week.
My heart goes out to you. Your hesitation may be due to the underlying fear of the unknown.
One thing you may not have experienced yet is unconditional friendship. Not to say you will find good friends immediately, but at least you have the freedom to choose your associates!
If you’re as backwards as I was about this process, just go slowly, in general people have good intentions & most ‘worldly’ people do like us! ☺️
Sorry you haven't been feeling well. Be concerned more with you and your life, and continue to do some research, to figure out for sure where you stand, get all your questions answered. You cannot always live in fear of what others may think, because you can't live your life for other people and their opinions. I can understand the fear involved though, there's fear of the unknown, and the indoctrination fear from within this organization. I remember years ago doing research at the library, thinking im going to be in trouble, is lighting going to stike me, is another witness here somewhere and going to report on me. I'm so glad I'm out, did my research, I have not a one iota of a thought, that this is a high control, group, which keeps their members controlled by fear and by being shunned. I'm so glad I got out before I got married and I had kids, I couldn't imagine putting them through what I had to deal with growing up. Anyway I hope you find what you are looking for.
That’s the point ! You’re so afraid of these control freaks that you can’t take time to rest and feel better! You just know you’re going to get emotionally abused when you get back . Just tell them you were sick! Just that one sentence and don’t explain any further. If they mention that video about that person with cancer dragging themselves to meetings or service . Just shrug and don’t say anything then tell them you want to go to the bathroom or you forgot something. Then leave! You don’t have to explain yourself! Be a little rude if you have to.
Get out don't look back
@@FyourCult Easier said than done. I know I am going to have Elders at my door if I keep doing what I am doing, and they are nice and caring people. It sucks how the GB has made things.
Just listen to both sides of the story, then disfellowship, doesn't matter whether you're guilty or innocent and the punishment is good for you
Time and time again I read or hear about people who attempt to “make the truth their own” and every single time it backfires and causes them to leave. The teachings of the Jehovah’s witnesses fall apart upon the slightest examination. I was able to determine that for myself at the tender age of 16
Yep, the second you engage your own objective look at the org it's over.
i tried that and left. i realised it was a miserable strict life. where your constantly scared of being told your doing something wrong.
"Make the Truth Your Own." Wasn't that a song in the old songbook? I swear I hear it in my head as I type this. ((shudders))
@@footstepsthroughhistory it was indeed. A dirge of a number in 3/4 time I believe. It was also (and possibly still is) a mantra of theirs. It may be from scripture, I can’t remember.
@@footstepsthroughhistory yes and the new song book
Reminds me of when I made an Instagram post while pimo of one of my gothic outfits and a lot of my cousins sent it back and forth to each other then I got calls from one of them saying my post had everyone in “a tizzy” and also when someone from the congregation I was in found my tiktok and sent it to the elders lucky for me I was just about to tell them I was done with the organization and I made that my official exit
Just wanted to say your song on your channel is AWESOME! And the faint thunder in the background makes it sound surreal, too. You should dedinitely do more recordings! 😃 If you do, I hope you find success. You deserve it. More people need to hear that wonderful voice! Peace!😎☮️🌈
@@CybershamanX omgggg thank you sm you’re so sweet 😭
@@annalisevh02 You are most welcome! 😀 Btw, I usually check out people's channels before commenting. Just so you don't think I was stalking or something. 😉 Just know I was pleasantly surprised to find something genuinely wonderful for a change. 😊 I hope you continue to pursue/make more music. It would be a shame if more people didn't hear your work. 😞 Take care and good luck to you! 😎🤘☮️❤️🌈
Nothing but love for my Gothic and Emo JW's. Yall kept beauty in free thought and style..
I'm glad you called it a soap opera because that's what it is, not a legitimate Bible drama simply entertainment to fill a time slot. some good ole British Days of our lives...
Nothing wins the cringe award like good old JWs.
When I was in, a sister that was visiting, who had a grudge against me, went to my elders and told them a lie about me. Instead of asking me about it, or asking her for proof, the elders went around to all my friends in the congregation and asked if they had seen me doing what she said. She didn't need to spread the rumor the elders did it for her.
Never have I wanted to view a jewellery business video as much as I do this one! I mean, how scandalous can it BE??!
All the brouhaha about a JW gal simply promoting her little business on social media really highlights the meddling, judgmental nature of JW culture as fostered by the Watchtower leadership & hierarchy.
Petty nitpicking, scrutinizing, trifling, tattling, judgmental criticism, jealousy and conditional love are all standard behavior characteristics of JW culture ! !
I know and have experienced it 1st hand.
So true. And apparently it’s gotten so bad that the GB needed to address it by spending time and money on creating a dramatization. Of course, this gossip issue is totally self-inflicted due to what you described above.
I have watched so many videos that tonight I even dreamt about Lloyd and his family. In my dream I met them all on a bus vacation in Scandinavia, when our buses stopped at the same restaurant (the place had simple food but a beautiful green outside area with tables and a playground) for a meal break. Lloyd and his wife and kids seemed very happy and delighted about their Scandinavia tour. In the dream we had a short and pleasant conversation about some cult that had been on the news (and I felt I sounded like an atheist, even though I am agnostic), and then I decided I'd give them some privacy and went back to my own friend's table where an old friend whom I haven't seen in years suddenly showed up wanted to make an interview with me for his magazine about how my young self would have viewed my presend self and my present life (I felt the topic was ment as a subtle criticism and tried to get away).
Sorry, this is so off topic! 😅
If it weren’t for harmful gossip i couldn’t recall 90% of every conversation I’ve been had at the Kingdom Hall
Not that I ever gave a toss - it just keeps coming over like wave after wave
Is the Governing Body, answerable to the flocks concerns. Maybe like, Rolex watches and expensive bottles of Scotch issues etc?
Because they take no critism they are slow learners in life..
Wow the melodrama is thick AF over nothing.
Now that we are out my exjw friend goes “let’s gossip!” Lol makes me laugh so hard. Every single person “gossips”. It’s part of life. It’s just a way to control of wt. psh!
Great points made 👌
How many examples?
"Cross-examining" for e.g 607 BCE as a factually false date isn't allowed apparently!
I still have the impression that Allister in the parking will pull out a gun on Robin . 😂
In the JW community, as for hearing both sides of the story, well what about a Witness who stays overnight at the home of someone of the opposite sex that they are related to, or if they're staying overnight in the home of someone who is known to be gay? If a Jehovah's Witness does either of those things, the Elders of their congregation will automatically assume that you were having sex with them, basically, and then you'll be asked to appear before a Judicial Committee comprised of three congregation Elders. You can be disfellowshipped and shunned for that. In JW culture, you're guilty until you can prove your innocence.
OMG years ago my car broke down at night outside a JWs house that were related to me in marriage,this JW was a female single sister and had her grown up daughters at home also,I was going to sleep in my car until I could fix it the next day but went in and asked if I could possibly sleep on the floor? I was not in the religion but used to be, the sister phoned an elder to see if it was OK to stay he said NO! So I was made to sleep in this sisters garden under the moon with a blanket because I was not a JW and could of slept with the mother how crazy are these people to judge me that day as this was the last thing on my mind! So many elders have power over the congregation its unreal but that power sometimes seems to be unbalanced!
So even if they related they'll think they were having sex just because they're opposite gender? Damn😂
Lloyd you are back in full streght! All details grasped, reason first, thank u!
Thank you Lloyd for the good you are doing. I hope you reach a lot of people who need your help.
Hopefully one of those Bethelite Elders will declassify that database for everyone to have access to, along with the other databases buried from the public.
That's what we need. Glasnost from a Watchtower version of Gorbachev.
😂🤣😂Botta Bing Botta Boom!!! 😂🤣😂 The minute I heard those two idiots discuss that verse, I instantly saw your point! The entire system collapses on itself. From the "kangaroo kourts" to the 8 snake heads, the Stone hit the feet and the entire "golden image" fell crashing. 😇😇😇😇
Right on!
@@cherylseebreth328 I was in a hurry so I left out a few choice words like grotesque, disgusting, pathetic “golden” WTBS image 😂 And…also Job 5:13… cause we can thump the Bible too!! God indeed has a subtle and Profund sense of HUMOR!
@@gbnomore3918 🤣🤣 Lovely choice words.
@@cherylseebreth328 Just can’t stop running with it lol
Cheryl Seebreth snitching is supposed to be for good because they love you so much that you should be disciplined really hard
So bad actors 😂 looks like they're reading. And what was the problem about? They're boring even when arguing.
Holy hell! It's 5AM here - do you never sleep?
surely they are rejecting the bread and wine passing from hand to hand without eating the bread and drinking the wine which is the body and blood of Christ and being a divine command!
What happened to Judge not least you be Judged?
One of the 10 commandments states:
Do not say a false witness against your neighbor... ( Including family members and cong.members)
A lie is a lie ... nobody should spread a lie.
But when it comes to speak the truth
Don't feel afraid to speak ....
And he said:
Lesson both sides of the story...
Very true...
Is that the way when they. Say tor
CSA to be quiet???
Is speaking the truth ,the same of spreading a lie???
Crist open his mouth when he needed to criticize the faresies.
But He was in silence when Pilatos question him.
The point is: speaking the truth when is necessary is Importante to defend justica.
Spreading lies is punishment by the law of God ... shouldn't happen.
"It's very easy to take things out of context..."
(Taken out of context.)
They refuse to hear from apostates and anyone that questions them because they will dismiss it as "satan's thoughts going into your mind to stray you from the path". It's pathetic.
Hi Lloyd,
I like how you analyze the words. Regardless of you being exJW , when help with boxes is requested, it is with clear intention of stopping the conversation.
Also, "I am going to have X to do Y" ... well, where that beautiful approach with reflection allowing the person to make the conclusion, by his own, is gone?
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, which I think are an invitation to think and not an imposition to accept.
AND, "If you have a minute would you mind giving me a hand with these boxes."
The lie, "I don't really need a hand with these boxes."
i left 2 months ago blocking all my contacts even my dad. 10 years i lost. thats what i saw gossip everywhere theyd say not all congregations are like that funny iv never been to a congregation that was good. i ended up with basically ptsd trauma from the religion especially leaving was the worst treatment, shunned and im only classed as inactive too. so judgemental. funny how they say non witnesses dont care or have your best interest and cant be your friend yet i have great friends who are non witnesses. yet as soon as you leave jws shun you.
I really hope your friend sees this and your previous video Lloyd because there’s some kind of deep and silent sadness in his eyes, voice and energy. Something that goes beyond the character is portraiting.
He seems overly stressed and guilt ridden to have to act that part out. Good job Lloyd, and I know some of these subjects pull on emotional strings. Keep up the good work.
The cringe factor of this JW soap opera is off the scale. I want to chuck up in a bucket after watching that old creepy guy spout such cr@p.
Great video Lloyd, thanks Gray
I remember when just being on social media was a problem😂 there was one circuit assembly where we were told to basically delete our Facebook account. So a lot of young witnesses in my circuit did............. and started Instagram accounts lol
You are so right Lloyd!
For any non-JWs watching this conference it must be strange....really, you are all getting wrapped up in this!?
I was sent here by another exJW here from my RUclips channel.
I am in South Africa and am South African. I was born in a family of JW, became one by baptism at 19.
I married a JW, little did I know that I was marrying a psychopath that drugged the whole family and raped both me and our biological first born. This continued for years. The elders wanted a second witness to the matter yet expressed disappointment of me going to the police. This surfaced in 2012.
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Oh my god you poor things I hope you are going ok hugs x
When you decided to name the video and giggled I was dying it’s so true these videos are so ridiculous it’s funny
Amen , Lloyd , Amen
As a Christian I would love to share that bible verse to my JW friends.
Left in 2017 after 18 years my Lord and savior Christ Jesus opened my eyes to this cult no more false doctrine and dates no more harassment no more blood sacrifices anymore thank God iam free from this false organization
Emotional enmeshment is expected and encouraged in the name of "protecting each other." It's all thinly-veiled hunger for drama and indicative of overall poor mental health plaguing members of this organization. They're all seriously bored and have no boundaries.
Babysitting, babysitting babysitting.
Do you call these grownups?
Do not have anything else to do?
I remember when they told me
I have to brake up with my business partner that he was not a JW.
37 years out of the organization.
I feel so good.
Now I have real friends.
They need to be told not to gossip!!
I thought he was going to whack him when he took him out to the car. Sinister dude.
On this ridiculous "don't ask questions outside the church" stance they take, I do note witnesses in general appear oblivious to the contradiction of talking about others as much as possible about their religion but not being willing to listen to others' thoughts on it. People who spend much of their free time talking about religion will tell you they don't have time for it when you bring it up.
Does anyone else wish they could just shake some sense into these people?
Dramatizations are nauseating. Days of our Lives of jehovah witnesses everyday on NBC. 3pm est Monday thru Friday
I was a pioneer for 5 years bethel for 2 yeaes, lets be honest here, the only sin your not allowed to talk about is child sex abuse. Because that costs the borg money. Everything else is what the entire congregation lives for.
God they love a gossip don't they. I used to literally laugh out loud in their faces at the hypocrisy of it all. Only reason I kept going for the lols
Thanks, thanks from a JW
The infomercial reminded me of the pod people in the movie Invasion of the body snatchers. To me, it was creepy
"Because it's embarrassing" - around minute 9 - LOL!!! Yes, debunked.
Amen 🙏
When I went to church and someone was "What do you think of X?" Be it a person, doctrinal or political thing my stock answer was "I don't know and I don't care."
This is why l finally left. The gossipers never talk to the actually person if they have any queries they prefer to spread it to the sisters who are so loose tongued in the gossip pool. Then let it run as fact by the time it has grown arms and legs running as fast as a centipede. But they never speak to the accused in the first instance. 😡😡
Hey lloyd, hope your well mate x
I am, thank you!
OMG now JWs are gonna lecture us on gossip of all things….! I’ve heard it all now.
I was raised as a JW, but had the courage to leave as an adult. As an educated adult, seeing dramatizations such as these, makes me contemplate how we ever accepted such manipulation. Beyond any doubt, not only is the Society’s dramatization so disconnected from reality, it also proves how deeply routed this psychological manipulation and control was forced onto all of us. From a strictly objective point of view, this just is not reality. The content is nothing more than a fictional fairytale. But unfortunately it is not a fairytale, so many kind, caring and loving human beings (including my own family) are so brainwashed, it would be easier to win the lottery than imagine they would escape the indoctrination and manipulation on their own. Truly a sad and hopeless state of affairs, but remember, everyone is discouraged to think for themselves.
The problem JW’s don’t care
I have a strange question... There is a famous youtuber named Jaime French who does comedy sketch videos (she used to do make up tutorials) and she has said on many occasions she's a devout JW. I know she sings at the conventions as she talks about it. How can a JW be devout and doing things like ... oh, you know, spending hours every week staring at themselves online, making online content about themselves etc. and not be torn to ribbons by their elders for being vain?
I noticed when I was looking at the JW library for the first time the other day there is a period in the mid eighties where there is nothing on their site at all for any publication. Does anyone know why?
They are robots
Of course, you are expected to accept counsel, even if it is wrong and you don't agree with it to preserve unity in the congregation.
“Months of research were spent on this one subject of “Chronology” and it resulted in the longest article in the Aid publication. Much of the time was spent endeavoring to find proof, some backing in history, for the 607 B.C.E. date so crucial to our calculations for 1914. We found absolutely nothing in support of 607 B.C.E as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem. Everything pointed to a period twenty years shorter than our published chronology claimed. Though I found this disquieting, I wanted to believe that our chronology was right in spite of all the contrary evidence. Thus, in preparing the material for the Aid book, much of the time/space was spent in trying to weaken the credibility of the archeological and historical evidence that would make erroneous our 607 B.C. E. date thus giving a different starting point for our calculations and therefore an ending date different from 1914.” - Crisis of Conscious PG. 29- Ray Franz - Former Governing Body Member.
A couple thoughts about that bit at the end... the JW are pretty clear on their stance about who is "head of household", to be sure. But there's a step beyond even that: the guy is not willing to speak to Miz Hayley himself, wanting his wife to do it instead. Is that because they're both women? Not quite sure where they're trying to go with this.
Yes, especially verse 19.
I thought he was getting his gun out at the car boot. Quite frankly nothing going to change. They keep forgetting the script every scenario. Repetition for emphasis check the study article. A dude used as the gossiper wow treading carefully.
Lloyd your the best thing that came out of 1979, besides Discovery by ELO, Breakfast in America by Supertramp and Back to the Egg by Wings. Lloyd little did Watchtower know in 1879 that 100 years later a tower demolisher would be born unto us. Justin porter ex jw
haha that's so sweet and flattering of you to say, thank you Justin!
@@LloydEvans I was a 18 yr old agnostic in 1979 and they were my 3 favourite albums. I,m now a 61 yr old born again atheist, apostate with a beautiful 50 yr old pimi jw wife Nicole who I drive to and from field service groups and meetings who still loves me very much except for my new beliefs and channel , she's asked me not to mention her in my channel, so I don't . I try to be a better person everyday, so when her jw friends ask about me in morbid curiosity she can tell the single sisters,, find yourself a apostate they make the best husbands. You do inspire me Lloyd along with Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchsons , keep up your good work. Justin porter ex jw
I don't think JW's will ever stop the gossip and finger pointing. To be fair it's not a JW's only issue. But I remember so much gossip, bad gossip, and even a degree of competition among many brothers. Most elders' wives don't keep good secrets either. But I think it's in human nature for people to gossip, and point fingers at others. something you must unlearn! JMHO...
Wow why can’t Julian just say this to my face!!!
What is she actually posting: That he looks like a douchebag and he is a douchebag?
that's not gossip, that is reveiling the truth.
Do you think childhood could include any age under 25? My mom converted when she was about 18. Then my dad started practicing also.
Hearing only one side of the story: Watchtower saying that Jerusalem fell in 606 bc.
The OTHER side of the story is ... using WT's own literature PROVES that Jerusalem fell in 586/587 BC (which makes 1914 bunk, and the organization man-made)
539 bc - Babylon falls to Persia; Awake 6/12/12 p 12
556 bc - Nabonidus reigned 17 years until Babylon fell; Aid to Bible Understanding, p 409
556/557 bc - Labashi-Marduk reigned less than one year; succeeded by Nabondius, Aid to Bible Understanding, p 1196
560/561 bc - Neriglissar reigned four years, succeeded by Labashi-Marduk, Aid to Bible Understanding, p 178
562/563 bc - Evil Merodach reigned 2 years, succeeded by Neriglissar, Aid to Bible Understanding, p 178
605/606 bc - Nebuchadnezzar reigned 43 years, succeeded by Evil Merodach, Insight on the Scriptures, pg 480
586/587 bc - Jerusalem fell in the 19th year of Nebuchadnezzar; 2 Kings 25:8-9
Ha ha ha; unbelievable irony!
What’s the difference between P.T. Barnum and C.T. Russel ?
Barnum had tigers
If this was an elder speaking to another elder in real life, a cross examination would happen on the spot. In most cases anyway, let's be fair.
Think that's just tact to take him away. But yes gossip by JW's is endemic
I totally would have talked to that sister at the DC
Too cringe for me. I didn't make it past 20 seconds.
Once, when they wern't gossiping in the 80's, Jehovah's Witness Technicians developed an electronic system enabling them to translate and print Bible literature in over 370 (R) 370 different languages, quickly and efficiently. So, time zones permitting, the same subjects could be studied by thousands, the same day, using the latest literature.
With so many languages now in print, many smaller countries and even various multi-dialect tribes could be approached and offered the good news of the New System, just round the next bend. Also fullfilling the Lord Jesus's ORDER, to "Make disciples of people of all the Nations, baptising them in the NAME, of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". So far, the JW's are the only ones obeying that order.
Most other religeons don't even allow Jehovah's name to be mentioned, let alone tell that he would pick a people FOR his name. (Acts 15v14-17). Most Bibles don't even have his name in them, using the excuse that it too Holy for mere mortals to use.
Sadly, some of the mis-handling of CSA cases, and one or two other queries of late haven't done his name or the Organization any favors, but as the Prophecy states, when the time is up, he starts the retribution with his own house first.! 1 Peter 4v17. "Goodnite Vienna" time for those guilty.,!
Yahweh is God's name.
@@misterauctor7353 it certainly is sir, both YARWEH and JEHOVAH are perfectly acceptable.!In fact if you Google Joel P Kramer, the Bible Archeologist, he has a vid showing the Ancient Egyptian symbols for the letters sygnifying Yahweh, which I understand the Jewish people prefer to use. (Which is not often)........And omitted from most Bible translations.!
Cringe worthy x 100
No BAFTAs for any of the acting here
Are these JW videos aimed at 8 year olds??
They certainly can't stray into anything approaching critical thinking so all material they produce has an infantile character.
No, they aim to turn adults into 8 year olds
just trow a paper with this bible vers on it in there letter box ...dont write anything else on it
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