The problem is that trash loot rounding doesn't go up, but down. So if a mob gives 1 trash loot always, with a blue ls it still gives 1. yellow ls will make it give 2. Agris only will make it give 2 instead of 2.5. That's why you have the "scam"
pretty much yes. if a mob drops 1-2 then it becomes 1-3. if a mob drops 2-4 then it turns into 3-6 etc. On grp spots like miru or croc etc you need to hit a specific threshhold to have any effect at all. In short, pick a spot with the least amount of "small" mobs and you get closer to the 50%.
@@sorenkair Just a programmer thing, generally you round up or round down everywhere in big project for consistency. Furthermore, when you decide to round down you can ignore every digit after the comma, which will help servers when thousand of players kill multiple mobs every second.
Since that game is developed on RNG, why don't they make trash drop rate RNG as well. For example, if mobs drop 1 trash and you have blue loot scroll, it should be 1,5 trash drop, but because they can't drop 1,5, it would be 50% to drop 1 and 50% to drop 2. That way blue loot scrolls would make more sense.
@@Symcy That already happens in a way. Enemies have a min and a max number of junk. Numbers like 1-3 or 2-4 are pretry common. Sometimes you get 2, some other times you get 4. And as an intristing fact: BDO 99% of the time rounds to the lower number, not only in drops.
6:57 Not just 1 trash, odd numbers as a whole negatively impacts the efficiency. 1 trash gives 1.5 which is rounded down to 1. 2 trash gives 3. 3 gives 4.5 which is rounded down to 4. 4 gives 6. 5 gives 7,5 which is rounded down to 7. Now the efficiency is better with a high odd number compared to a low but odd numbers as a whole will make it so that the efficiency is less than 50%. That's why I would argue that if the main source of income at a spot is the trash loot and not the other drops then you should always do a combination of agris and blue ls, unless the trash/mob is very high, then you can just go for one of them as efficiency isn't as negatively impacted and you will have a more fluent grind spot because you won't have to store away trash loot as frequently as you otherwise would have. If you're grinding for treasure items and such though then just pop blue ls and go to town. you probably have so many of them anyway that you won't run out of them, or at the very least use them on the more annoying spots *cough* sherekhan *cough*.
PLEASE re-test this in the new system as well we are all spending a lot of money in the pearl shop on items just because they come with these scrolls. This video is VERY appreciated!
Short answer (before watching the video) I got from my testing is, 50% loot scroll does actually give you 50% more trash BUT it is rounded down. So if you would normally get 1 trash, you would now get 1.5, which rounded down is again 1, so no effect at all. If you would get 3 Trash loot, you would get 1.5 extra trash, which rounded down means only 1 extra trash per mob. if you normally would get 4 trash per mob you would get the 6 trash with LS, as you would expect. Agris works additive to that, so instead of 50% increase you get 50+150 = 200% increase which results in a proper lossless 50% increase from LS. now if you would use a yellow scroll with 150% agris you would again have the problem of trash being rounded down (cause the total is a 250% bonus)
Yo so I might as well clear this up on why the blue is not showing up at 50%. After my research odd numbered loot is the reason for this. for example 3 trash would now be 4.5 but BdO rounds down. On the other hand if the loot is 4 you get the perfect 6 trash loot. That is what he yellow scroll is so correct! Happy hunting and thank you for video!!
Funny enough, today my friend was telling me I was grinding wrong using blue instead of yellow but I only grind at SE for distos and the trash is extra for me. I also have limited loot scrolls, soon I’ll have to go back to life skilling and saving up my loot scrolls again :)
Any advanced mathematicians in chat? This calculation is for spots with 1-3loot base. A) 1loot becomes 1loot (+0%) B) 2loot becomes 3loot (+50%) C) 3loot becomes 4loot (+33%) These possible outcomes average in 83/3 = 28% ====== ====== ====== ====== The extra ~7% more from duodecils test is actually his ecology multiplier kicking in (1loot becomes 2loot // 3loot becomes 5loot in 20% of the cases if maxed ecology). A) 1loot becomes (0.8*1 + 0.2*2) 1.2loot (+20%) B) 2loot becomes 3loot (+50%) C) 3loot becomes (0.8*4 + 0.2*5) 4.2loot (+40%) Average extra 110/3 = 37% ====== ====== ====== ====== o7 Captain flies away o7
Could have just looked at the trash numbers instead of trying to grind for one hour consistently. Also the higher the tras numbers the lower the difference between 50% and blue ls, so at turos its fine. Aditionally, agris turns it all around as it gives 150% so ad a blue lootscroll to it and you end on a full 200% giving you exactly that. While adding a yellow lootscroll would result in giving you 230-235% (again depending on the spot)
Why you switch to awakening? Just wondering. Am currently succ on console and it's very good, though I haven't even try awakening. AM 244 AP SUCC and I can solo trees with about 2.2k trash per hr, didn't know that was actually good lol. But yea should I go aawakeing?
as you say in Mirumok, its looks like " 1 trash x 1.5 = 1.5 > 1 trash", so its happen to all odd number drops 3x1.5 = 4.5 > 4, and since yellow drop is x2, there is no decimal so no lose and get the full 100% also, i think, the really worth of the scroll in high end is the 100% drop rate, rather than trash drop -except maybe at olun-.
Any questions ? what is your experience with loot scroll trash/h , normal vs advanced ls ? Btw for anyone wondering , i didnt try Golems cuz i doubt i can consistently do 3h of grinding there , and even if i can meh , maybe some other time xD
@@beeLife07 i need 1h with different loot scroll configurations so i would do 1h with no LS , 1h with the blue LS and 1h with the yellow LS , i just didnt bother with Golems cuz i felt like that spot is a pain to be consistent at >.
yeah blue loot scrolls are only decent in spots where there are no mobs that drop 1 junk because 1 will remain 1 and also possibly as few odd numbers as possible, because 3 will become 4 since the game cannot give 4.5 junks(for example in Aakman where the junk range is 2-4 blue loot scroll is good). The Yellow loot scroll is exactly 2x while blue will never be exacly 1.5x for the reason above 1) is very bad in places like Mirumok, Sycraia and Star's End, where a lot of time you drop only 1 junk, because that will remain 1 as you said 2) even in places with no 1junk drop there will be odd numbers that cannot scale properly which is why you never have 50% but more like 40, because you also cannot have 4.5 junks and the game rounds down to 4 etc. on a final observation though, we should consideri that with blue loot scroll you can grind twice the time with bonus drops (like scrolls, crystals and even rare drops), so in my opinion, for a free player, is still better to use blue lootscroll most of the time or no loot scroll at all (which is what i do). For example at Star's End Loot is wasted, monsters have pretty much no drops outside of Distorsion and rare drops are effected by loot scrolls the least (not much difference between 0.02% and 0.03%).
Hey Duo, just wondering if you have given up on succ , I see you using awa on most spots, also in your opinion which one is better for grinding? Thanks :D
Duo i got a question for you from 1 guardian to another. 7.4K - 8.4K with loot scroll and agris at Thornwood seem low to you for a Succ Guardian with 261 AP? I feel like my guardian is always lagging behind other similar AP guardians at all spots.
I always grind like => agris + Blue LS or Yellow with out Agris, the fact is you need to have 100% or 200% when you got something like 50%-150% the 50% don't always apply because it mean nothing to give 50% of 1 token the 50% only apply on mobs that give 2*X token and most of the mob gives 2*X+1 tokens, so keep blue for agris point and grind with yellow if no agris.
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i found that adv ls and agris get me about 8.5-9k trash/hr, i know its over stacking but still gets me to max trash drop whereas reg ls doesnt and agris doesnt but this was some good info man. i didnt even think think reg ls were that bad.
so any mob that gives the possibilitu to drrop odd-numbers of loot is better to go with 100% scroll because 50% rounds loot down (aka 3 + 1,5 = 4) thus lowering the % from 50 to around 35% on average
Idk if this makes sense because you use two blue LS for the yellow LS. When I run 2 blue loot scrolls I make way more than a yellow loot scroll. So this makes no sense to me 😕 I feel like yellow loot scroll is made for people who can't stand grinding for the full 2 hours on the blue loot scrolls and want it to only be in an hour you get from the yellow LSs, and lose out on a bit of money you get from grinding longer. Just my opinion
Oh well, I'm a lazy greedy miser and never use my consumables anyway. Brought my old RPG habits over. Only burned loot scrolls while grinding for the potion pieces.
I did a mini test in pila ku, mobs give either 1 or 3 as a base, so blue loot scroll by itself gives bad numbers like 1 and 4, turning agris on with scroll made them drop 3 and 6x trash which is weird
Trashloot wise sure. But u get the 50% rare drop for 2 hours instead of 1hour. So if u dont keep getting a lot of loot scrolls, blues are better on long run.
@@MrLazyleader depends on the spot and Agris, and also you get +50% rare drop boost. If you want to ignore that, then Yellow is better for good trash spots
@@MrLazyleader but in the hour you use no ls you have no drop rate buffs wichi means you make less money from drops, from example at Hystria Or Aakman where scrolls and crystals give you a lot of money is better to grind 2 hours with blue loot scroll, while Star's End or Thornwood, where you basically have no common drops you're better off with the yellow ones.
@@MrLazyleader dunno at SE trash is only indicator how fast I am going. It brings really low income in comparison to disto drop. So I'd rather grind 2h with scuffed trash while doubling my chances of disto, instead getting roughly 15% more trash and 25% less chances for disto. Doing 2h blue instead 1h yellow and 1h without at SE leads to around 40 mil per 2h more. -> 20 mil/h difference
Do you believe that the rare item drop rate on the scrolls actually work? I know that it is RNG and hard to really test, but if you were to go with your gut, what do you speculate?
seems like to work. Rly "easy" to notice on spots like gahaz since pila scrolls drop on mass, even more with an LS on. Consistantly as well. Same with spots which drops weapons or other stuff like the dragon scales in drieg.
Yes, which is why in the video mirumok with blue scrolls is absolute trash. most enemies drop 1 trash, blue ls doesn't do anything to help with that. That's why I always combine agris with blue ls if I grind miru and once I run out of agris I move on to yellow ls.
every uneven base drop gets rounded down at a 50% increase. 1, 3, 5 are the possible ones and they turn into 1.5, 4.5 and 7.5 -> 1, 4 and 7. Which obviously backs this claim up because the math works out, thats about none, 75% and 71% effectiveness which translates to 35.5%-37.5% lootscroll buff. funnily enough it works the same way with yellow+agris. blue ls + agris is 200% increase, while yellow + agris is 250%, so the same rounding issue occurs at uneven numbers, making a yellow lootscroll almost worthless while running agris.
yea as a noobie i fell like the ap buffs are not accurate either one meal is +30 but i swear i dont see the difference and that just one example, the potions too. im sure its been explained and a season veteran could break it all down but why not just put real accurate numbers instead of this insane 300% crap . i really like the game btw just odd
Not a vet but someone who can probably help explain this. hitting certain ap/dp brackets (only the raw ap nothing added from meal or other ways to increase thats not gear). for example. At 249 ap, you gain a hidden 57 ap bonus, while at 261 ap you gain 101 hidden ap. so with 12 raw ap you potentially gain a significant amount more ap than just ap from meals.
@@ReveraxGaming thanks i do remember that when i first started playing this game one of the complaints was translation . but what you described which i have no doubt is 100% accurate could have been explained better in game . but thanks for the info truly
depends , the new system supposedly only changes the way u use LS , not the effect , as in u get 100k points of LS and u only use them when u kill mobs , like agris , but i suspect the effect will be the same , maybe
@@Duodecil What the new system does is making the LS more or less efficient to what we have now. The reason for that is because it will no longer depend on how much mobs you can kill in any given time, but in a set quantity. Trash/h will be the same, that only depends on how fast and efficiently you can clear packs; But from now on if you are grinding on subpar zones (ie aakman with 281/kutum or smth ridiculous like that) LS will last less than if you use it on a propper 269/kutum zone (star end, sycraia, etc.) wich means less money in the long run. This is actually really good, because it leaves the low end zones for newer players available (in theory at least; we all know there still will be 650gs ppl in aakman-arsha just because retards).
@@chottomatekudasai-kun3887 I feel personally attacked lol. To be fair though if you're not 650 gs or more you probably shouldn't be on arsha. Most of the people I fight on there are 680+
great video man! i can telly you exactly why blue drops 30-35% if you getting 3 trash per mob, then 50% means 4.5 trash which round up to 4 per mob.. that is why blue scroll gives around 30% most places :) cheers
it cane be, but its best to use blue ls with agris cuase then youll be at 200%, at 250% the rounding wont be as beneficial, especially in places where the mobs normally only drop 1 trash per kill
Because your area mobs don't drop 2 trash per mobs cause mob drop 2 3 4 5 6 7 so unless the mobs always drop number x2 u will lost the effect ? Like 7 bonus 3 bonus only 3 bonus 1 same as 2 .
they will change the way its used , instead of 1h of drop buff u will get 100k "loot scroll points" that are used only when u kill mobs , similar to agris , it will be interesting to see how they balance it cuz then u can afk whenever u want without wasting loot scrolls but also on some areas those 100k points will last u more than 1h , and on some less than 1h xD
@@reeverfalls2069 I see so if u know these 100k points won't last for 1 entire hour in the spot u want to grind u could pop 2 scrolls instead of 1 and save extra point, is that a thing or u can store up to 100k points?
It's very simple why sometimes the blue loot scroll doesn't work, if a mob drops only 1 piece of trash, 50% quantity will not round the final value up to 2. Also most of the money comes from RNG drops not trash loot, using yellow scrolls is wasteful af
Other mobs in sycraia drops 1 trashloot only without lootscroll. So basically 50% doesnt have much for 1 trashloot drop, and your trashloot is abit low for guardian maybe you need to work on your rots oso. I know alot of guardian hittin 12k in aakman and 5k++ on sycraia.
Nice click bait caption... But this is youtube what to expect. You use loot scrolls for extra rare drop (mostly), not for the actual trash most of the time, cause that's more than half of the income usually (SE/Sicraia). And both LS and ALS give the same amount. So you basically use up ALS for more trash (~40% more) but you spend half the time there, so you get half the rare drops. And on SE for example, if you drop 1 earing every 15k trash (5k tph) with LS. You drop 1 earing every 24k (8k tph). And you get same amount of capras etc too. Besides lots of people don't buy the scrolls from the shop, but have them from events, so best for most of them is to use LS for most amount of money. And as Yedistic Yizus said about the rounding of the numbers, it always rounds down. Not up, so 1 is 1 with Ls, but 2 with ALS. And 1-2 is 1-3 with LS but 2-4 with ALS.
what i don't understand is why you didn't even try to explain the reason behind this. if for example you kill 3 mobs that give 1 trash each you get 3 trash with blue and without any lootscroll. at high end spots like hystria, sycraia or stars end you have many 1 trash rolls, meaning that this is the reason why you won't get 50% more loot. the question always is how much more money are you getting at a spot if you use a blue ls vs a yellow one vs none. in the case of 2 hours of blue or 1 hour of yellow and 1 hour without any; if the first is better always use blue until you run out, in the second case use yellow untill you run out. this way you get maximum value out of your lootscrolls for that spot. obviously if you have infinite scrolls always use yellow. infinite meaning you will never use more than they give us.
50% of 3 thrashloot will give you aditional 1.. not one and a half.. but 100% will give you another 3... thats why 50% is not actually 50% in the end...
The problem is that trash loot rounding doesn't go up, but down. So if a mob gives 1 trash loot always, with a blue ls it still gives 1. yellow ls will make it give 2. Agris only will make it give 2 instead of 2.5. That's why you have the "scam"
And the only reason you pop lootscrolls is for the extra rare drop chance
pretty much yes.
if a mob drops 1-2 then it becomes 1-3. if a mob drops 2-4 then it turns into 3-6 etc.
On grp spots like miru or croc etc you need to hit a specific threshhold to have any effect at all.
In short, pick a spot with the least amount of "small" mobs and you get closer to the 50%.
it is a scam cause youre supposed to alternate between rounding up and down 0.5
either its a scam or PA devs never graduated high school
@@sorenkair Just a programmer thing, generally you round up or round down everywhere in big project for consistency. Furthermore, when you decide to round down you can ignore every digit after the comma, which will help servers when thousand of players kill multiple mobs every second.
@@Animeanem I always despised trunc().
Tbh if you have time to grind 2h on blue it's still better because of rare items droprate.
Depends on the grind spot. Some spots are more focused on trash than drops.
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Since that game is developed on RNG, why don't they make trash drop rate RNG as well. For example, if mobs drop 1 trash and you have blue loot scroll, it should be 1,5 trash drop, but because they can't drop 1,5, it would be 50% to drop 1 and 50% to drop 2. That way blue loot scrolls would make more sense.
@@Symcy That already happens in a way. Enemies have a min and a max number of junk. Numbers like 1-3 or 2-4 are pretry common. Sometimes you get 2, some other times you get 4. And as an intristing fact: BDO 99% of the time rounds to the lower number, not only in drops.
6:57 Not just 1 trash, odd numbers as a whole negatively impacts the efficiency.
1 trash gives 1.5 which is rounded down to 1.
2 trash gives 3.
3 gives 4.5 which is rounded down to 4.
4 gives 6.
5 gives 7,5 which is rounded down to 7.
Now the efficiency is better with a high odd number compared to a low but odd numbers as a whole will make it so that the efficiency is less than 50%.
That's why I would argue that if the main source of income at a spot is the trash loot and not the other drops then you should always do a combination of agris and blue ls, unless the trash/mob is very high, then you can just go for one of them as efficiency isn't as negatively impacted and you will have a more fluent grind spot because you won't have to store away trash loot as frequently as you otherwise would have.
If you're grinding for treasure items and such though then just pop blue ls and go to town. you probably have so many of them anyway that you won't run out of them, or at the very least use them on the more annoying spots *cough* sherekhan *cough*.
Would you say argis and blue is is better at hystria ? What about no argis would yellow be better then blue?
PLEASE re-test this in the new system as well we are all spending a lot of money in the pearl shop on items just because they come with these scrolls. This video is VERY appreciated!
might do it , i plan to test the new LS system anyway so i could look at trash scaling again while i check the efficiency of the new system
stop spending money in the pearl shop is your best answer
Short answer (before watching the video) I got from my testing is, 50% loot scroll does actually give you 50% more trash BUT it is rounded down. So if you would normally get 1 trash, you would now get 1.5, which rounded down is again 1, so no effect at all. If you would get 3 Trash loot, you would get 1.5 extra trash, which rounded down means only 1 extra trash per mob. if you normally would get 4 trash per mob you would get the 6 trash with LS, as you would expect. Agris works additive to that, so instead of 50% increase you get 50+150 = 200% increase which results in a proper lossless 50% increase from LS. now if you would use a yellow scroll with 150% agris you would again have the problem of trash being rounded down (cause the total is a 250% bonus)
Yo so I might as well clear this up on why the blue is not showing up at 50%. After my research odd numbered loot is the reason for this. for example 3 trash would now be 4.5 but BdO rounds down. On the other hand if the loot is 4 you get the perfect 6 trash loot. That is what he yellow scroll is so correct!
Happy hunting and thank you for video!!
@duodecil
Funny enough, today my friend was telling me I was grinding wrong using blue instead of yellow but I only grind at SE for distos and the trash is extra for me. I also have limited loot scrolls, soon I’ll have to go back to life skilling and saving up my loot scrolls again :)
Thank for this video. Really useful comparison!
Any advanced mathematicians in chat? This calculation is for spots with 1-3loot base.
A) 1loot becomes 1loot (+0%)
B) 2loot becomes 3loot (+50%)
C) 3loot becomes 4loot (+33%)
These possible outcomes average in 83/3 = 28%
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The extra ~7% more from duodecils test is actually his ecology multiplier kicking in (1loot becomes 2loot // 3loot becomes 5loot in 20% of the cases if maxed ecology).
A) 1loot becomes (0.8*1 + 0.2*2) 1.2loot (+20%)
B) 2loot becomes 3loot (+50%)
C) 3loot becomes (0.8*4 + 0.2*5) 4.2loot (+40%)
Average extra 110/3 = 37%
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o7 Captain flies away o7
High end spots thrash/hour can be increased with proper rotation/class. I pull un sycraia as striker 5.4-5.8k thrash blue ls
Could have just looked at the trash numbers instead of trying to grind for one hour consistently. Also the higher the tras numbers the lower the difference between 50% and blue ls, so at turos its fine. Aditionally, agris turns it all around as it gives 150% so ad a blue lootscroll to it and you end on a full 200% giving you exactly that. While adding a yellow lootscroll would result in giving you 230-235% (again depending on the spot)
Why you switch to awakening? Just wondering. Am currently succ on console and it's very good, though I haven't even try awakening. AM 244 AP SUCC and I can solo trees with about 2.2k trash per hr, didn't know that was actually good lol. But yea should I go aawakeing?
as you say in Mirumok, its looks like " 1 trash x 1.5 = 1.5 > 1 trash", so its happen to all odd number drops 3x1.5 = 4.5 > 4, and since yellow drop is x2, there is no decimal so no lose and get the full 100%
also, i think, the really worth of the scroll in high end is the 100% drop rate, rather than trash drop -except maybe at olun-.
Any questions ? what is your experience with loot scroll trash/h , normal vs advanced ls ?
Btw for anyone wondering , i didnt try Golems cuz i doubt i can consistently do 3h of grinding there , and even if i can meh , maybe some other time xD
Why need 3hours ? Take that long to kill it?
@@beeLife07 to test without ls, just blue and then just yellow ls
@@beeLife07 i need 1h with different loot scroll configurations so i would do 1h with no LS , 1h with the blue LS and 1h with the yellow LS , i just didnt bother with Golems cuz i felt like that spot is a pain to be consistent at >.
what "new system" were u talking about, regarding lootscrolls? ~ 03:50
yeah blue loot scrolls are only decent in spots where there are no mobs that drop 1 junk because 1 will remain 1 and also possibly as few odd numbers as possible, because 3 will become 4 since the game cannot give 4.5 junks(for example in Aakman where the junk range is 2-4 blue loot scroll is good).
The Yellow loot scroll is exactly 2x while blue will never be exacly 1.5x for the reason above
1) is very bad in places like Mirumok, Sycraia and Star's End, where a lot of time you drop only 1 junk, because that will remain 1 as you said
2) even in places with no 1junk drop there will be odd numbers that cannot scale properly which is why you never have 50% but more like 40, because you also cannot have 4.5 junks and the game rounds down to 4 etc.
on a final observation though, we should consideri that with blue loot scroll you can grind twice the time with bonus drops (like scrolls, crystals and even rare drops), so in my opinion, for a free player, is still better to use blue lootscroll most of the time or no loot scroll at all (which is what i do). For example at Star's End Loot is wasted, monsters have pretty much no drops outside of Distorsion and rare drops are effected by loot scrolls the least (not much difference between 0.02% and 0.03%).
i dont even remember when i last time used a blue ls.
where get i a yellow one
Hey Duo, just wondering if you have given up on succ , I see you using awa on most spots, also in your opinion which one is better for grinding? Thanks :D
Duo i got a question for you from 1 guardian to another. 7.4K - 8.4K with loot scroll and agris at Thornwood seem low to you for a Succ Guardian with 261 AP? I feel like my guardian is always lagging behind other similar AP guardians at all spots.
I always grind like => agris + Blue LS or Yellow with out Agris, the fact is you need to have 100% or 200% when you got something like 50%-150% the 50% don't always apply because it mean nothing to give 50% of 1 token the 50% only apply on mobs that give 2*X token and most of the mob gives 2*X+1 tokens, so keep blue for agris point and grind with yellow if no agris.
Thanks for explain
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i found that adv ls and agris get me about 8.5-9k trash/hr, i know its over stacking but still gets me to max trash drop whereas reg ls doesnt and agris doesnt but this was some good info man. i didnt even think think reg ls were that bad.
It's not overstacking. Agris is separate from loot scroll drop amount buff.
This is straight from patch notes
they're bad depending on where you grind. you can however instantly counter their weakness by using them together with agris fever.
@@stavik96 which is what i do, i always grind with agris and adv ls, always. i cant be wrong when im making 100m+ from trash loot
@@sirvere4840 but the drop amount will be 250% right? Agris +adv ls. So isnt it better to use reg ls with agris?
so any mob that gives the possibilitu to drrop odd-numbers of loot is better to go with 100% scroll because 50% rounds loot down (aka 3 + 1,5 = 4) thus lowering the % from 50 to around 35% on average
Idk if this makes sense because you use two blue LS for the yellow LS. When I run 2 blue loot scrolls I make way more than a yellow loot scroll. So this makes no sense to me 😕 I feel like yellow loot scroll is made for people who can't stand grinding for the full 2 hours on the blue loot scrolls and want it to only be in an hour you get from the yellow LSs, and lose out on a bit of money you get from grinding longer. Just my opinion
So basically Blue+Agris until I run out of Agris and yellow afterwards. Gotcha, thank you.
Next are cron meals and draughts Dx.
Oh well, I'm a lazy greedy miser and never use my consumables anyway. Brought my old RPG habits over. Only burned loot scrolls while grinding for the potion pieces.
that's a good way to use them if u plan to ever go for one of the potions xD
I did notice, W/ Blu loot scrolls And Agris. At trees the mobs drop 3 trash each. So maybe it adds Agris and then multiplies?
I did a mini test in pila ku, mobs give either 1 or 3 as a base, so blue loot scroll by itself gives bad numbers like 1 and 4, turning agris on with scroll made them drop 3 and 6x trash which is weird
So basicly we must to grind with yellow scroll if we diddnt have agris? if we have agris we must to use blue scroll?
Is 2 hours of yellow loot scroll better than 2 hours of blue loot scroll in hystria?
Trashloot wise sure. But u get the 50% rare drop for 2 hours instead of 1hour. So if u dont keep getting a lot of loot scrolls, blues are better on long run.
I was always using blues, but i think thornwood is very worth with ALS
Nice job, but properly you should do more attempts and super properly you should count trash count per mob (it's hard to do :P).
Thank you. Also nice music choices.
hehe , genshin , trails of cold steel and persona5 music :p
But if grind longer hours. Would be the blue ones better? Coz like u need 2 blues for 1 yellow D:
if you dont have the LS then it would be better, but youre no-lifing it then
No, because if you grind 1h with yellow and another hour without ls, you get more trash than doing 2h with blue ls.
@@MrLazyleader depends on the spot and Agris, and also you get +50% rare drop boost. If you want to ignore that, then Yellow is better for good trash spots
@@MrLazyleader but in the hour you use no ls you have no drop rate buffs wichi means you make less money from drops, from example at Hystria Or Aakman where scrolls and crystals give you a lot of money is better to grind 2 hours with blue loot scroll, while Star's End or Thornwood, where you basically have no common drops you're better off with the yellow ones.
@@MrLazyleader dunno at SE trash is only indicator how fast I am going. It brings really low income in comparison to disto drop. So I'd rather grind 2h with scuffed trash while doubling my chances of disto, instead getting roughly 15% more trash and 25% less chances for disto. Doing 2h blue instead 1h yellow and 1h without at SE leads to around 40 mil per 2h more. -> 20 mil/h difference
So you think blue is still better at aakman?
New Elvia Orc Spot is a 50% increase with blue lootscroll.
Sorry only 40% but still more valueable unless you can pop advanced loot scroll for an unlimited time.
Do you believe that the rare item drop rate on the scrolls actually work? I know that it is RNG and hard to really test, but if you were to go with your gut, what do you speculate?
seems like to work. Rly "easy" to notice on spots like gahaz since pila scrolls drop on mass, even more with an LS on. Consistantly as well.
Same with spots which drops weapons or other stuff like the dragon scales in drieg.
Why not have Yellow LS + agris in the chart.
I heard its bad to combine Yellow LS and agris, correct?
Max trash % is 200% so if use agris and gold scroll you will waste 50 % trash loot
its because game doesnt give you extra trash loot if mob drops 1, then for 3 you just get 1 not 1.5 etc
oh my god. thats why PA giving those blue for free's well atleast it can increase to certain amount.
sick u can read a tooltip blue ls 50% item drop amount and gold 100% so it makes sense they are not scam u are just a bit behind my friend
Okey so the deal is that if u drop 1 trash from mob blue scroll wont affect it and thats the trick
Yes, which is why in the video mirumok with blue scrolls is absolute trash. most enemies drop 1 trash, blue ls doesn't do anything to help with that. That's why I always combine agris with blue ls if I grind miru and once I run out of agris I move on to yellow ls.
Similarly with 3. If there's a mob that'd drop 3 it will drop 4 with Blue and 6 with yellow, resulting in 33% less trash in those instances.
every uneven base drop gets rounded down at a 50% increase. 1, 3, 5 are the possible ones and they turn into 1.5, 4.5 and 7.5 -> 1, 4 and 7. Which obviously backs this claim up because the math works out, thats about none, 75% and 71% effectiveness which translates to 35.5%-37.5% lootscroll buff.
funnily enough it works the same way with yellow+agris. blue ls + agris is 200% increase, while yellow + agris is 250%, so the same rounding issue occurs at uneven numbers, making a yellow lootscroll almost worthless while running agris.
@@Tehkezah yellow loot scroll and agris doesnt work because kakao said u are limited to 200% droprate agris itself is 150%
@@K9L_IA yes it does? have you ever tried? cus i get close to perfect scaling at thornwood.
yea as a noobie i fell like the ap buffs are not accurate either one meal is +30 but i swear i dont see the difference and that just one example, the potions too. im sure its been explained and a season veteran could break it all down but why not just put real accurate numbers instead of this insane 300% crap . i really like the game btw just odd
Not a vet but someone who can probably help explain this. hitting certain ap/dp brackets (only the raw ap nothing added from meal or other ways to increase thats not gear). for example. At 249 ap, you gain a hidden 57 ap bonus, while at 261 ap you gain 101 hidden ap. so with 12 raw ap you potentially gain a significant amount more ap than just ap from meals.
@@ReveraxGaming thanks i do remember that when i first started playing this game one of the complaints was translation . but what you described which i have no doubt is 100% accurate could have been explained better in game . but thanks for the info truly
What for a Loot scroll update?ôo
RIP useful information for about 2 weeks. Then we getting the new loot scroll fever
depends , the new system supposedly only changes the way u use LS , not the effect , as in u get 100k points of LS and u only use them when u kill mobs , like agris , but i suspect the effect will be the same , maybe
@@Duodecil What the new system does is making the LS more or less efficient to what we have now. The reason for that is because it will no longer depend on how much mobs you can kill in any given time, but in a set quantity. Trash/h will be the same, that only depends on how fast and efficiently you can clear packs; But from now on if you are grinding on subpar zones (ie aakman with 281/kutum or smth ridiculous like that) LS will last less than if you use it on a propper 269/kutum zone (star end, sycraia, etc.) wich means less money in the long run. This is actually really good, because it leaves the low end zones for newer players available (in theory at least; we all know there still will be 650gs ppl in aakman-arsha just because retards).
@@chottomatekudasai-kun3887 you mean people going for the compass
@@chottomatekudasai-kun3887 I feel personally attacked lol. To be fair though if you're not 650 gs or more you probably shouldn't be on arsha. Most of the people I fight on there are 680+
great video man!
i can telly you exactly why blue drops 30-35%
if you getting 3 trash per mob, then 50% means 4.5 trash which round up to 4 per mob..
that is why blue scroll gives around 30% most places :) cheers
i didnt know this thanks for video.
The Yellow Loot Scroll can't be combined with the Agris then? As I see you only used the blue loot scroll with the agris.
it cane be, but its best to use blue ls with agris cuase then youll be at 200%, at 250% the rounding wont be as beneficial, especially in places where the mobs normally only drop 1 trash per kill
hi mate, im at 265 nouver, where do you think i should grind? i hate tet kutum but cause the brackets it better nouver.
when is the new loot scroll system coming!!!!
6250 trash per hour at Sycraia ... I'm hardly getting 4,2k :\
Iam a returning Player. But never heard of a new system for the loot scroll. Can someone explain it to me pls?
There's nothing new about it so I don't know what you mean. Loot scrolls exists since at least Aakman/hystria release, maybe before that.
Because your area mobs don't drop 2 trash per mobs cause mob drop 2 3 4 5 6 7 so unless the mobs always drop number x2 u will lost the effect ? Like 7 bonus 3 bonus only 3 bonus 1 same as 2 .
What's the outfit your wearing at 0:33
that's the luxury vendor alchemy costume , i just made it into a "pearl costume" with a tailoring coupon
As long I got ton on caphras and dust using blue scroll then I'm good
Hi, whats better aakman or schultz node invest lvl 10 ap 255
Aakman
@name iknow aakman cant invest,i said lvl 10node schult ,read it 1st with open eyes
@@beeLife07 the dude was trying to help you, don't be an asshole
plus, you wrote that sentence pretty "not normal" too
you tested all spots but not turos?
Because it's trash.
Green loot scrolls are better than both blue and yellow anyway
Hmm? Blue Scrolls + Agris, a dream come true ;-)
Can someone explain what the new loot scroll system. Thanks in advance
they will change the way its used , instead of 1h of drop buff u will get 100k "loot scroll points" that are used only when u kill mobs , similar to agris , it will be interesting to see how they balance it cuz then u can afk whenever u want without wasting loot scrolls but also on some areas those 100k points will last u more than 1h , and on some less than 1h xD
@@Duodecil how can u "recharge" these points? daily like agris or when you use a ls it gives you 100k points or...?
@@sandbox8717 it doesn't recharge. Its 100k per loot scroll. So once the 100k is used up, you pop another one.
@@reeverfalls2069 I see so if u know these 100k points won't last for 1 entire hour in the spot u want to grind u could pop 2 scrolls instead of 1 and save extra point, is that a thing or u can store up to 100k points?
With blue scroll is better to grind where you get 2 or 4 trashes without scroll.aakman is god with blue scroll
Awesome that you made your Guardian look Asian !
It's very simple why sometimes the blue loot scroll doesn't work, if a mob drops only 1 piece of trash, 50% quantity will not round the final value up to 2. Also most of the money comes from RNG drops not trash loot, using yellow scrolls is wasteful af
Other mobs in sycraia drops 1 trashloot only without lootscroll. So basically 50% doesnt have much for 1 trashloot drop, and your trashloot is abit low for guardian maybe you need to work on your rots oso. I know alot of guardian hittin 12k in aakman and 5k++ on sycraia.
Nice click bait caption... But this is youtube what to expect.
You use loot scrolls for extra rare drop (mostly), not for the actual trash most of the time, cause that's more than half of the income usually (SE/Sicraia). And both LS and ALS give the same amount.
So you basically use up ALS for more trash (~40% more) but you spend half the time there, so you get half the rare drops.
And on SE for example, if you drop 1 earing every 15k trash (5k tph) with LS. You drop 1 earing every 24k (8k tph).
And you get same amount of capras etc too.
Besides lots of people don't buy the scrolls from the shop, but have them from events, so best for most of them is to use LS for most amount of money.
And as Yedistic Yizus said about the rounding of the numbers, it always rounds down. Not up, so 1 is 1 with Ls, but 2 with ALS. And 1-2 is 1-3 with LS but 2-4 with ALS.
The ‘base’ rates have Kama buff and ecology buffs to bring them way higher than the base 100%
Item Drop Rate (like kama, and ecology buffs) does not affect the Trash amount dropped only the rare dop rate
what i don't understand is why you didn't even try to explain the reason behind this. if for example you kill 3 mobs that give 1 trash each you get 3 trash with blue and without any lootscroll. at high end spots like hystria, sycraia or stars end you have many 1 trash rolls, meaning that this is the reason why you won't get 50% more loot. the question always is how much more money are you getting at a spot if you use a blue ls vs a yellow one vs none. in the case of 2 hours of blue or 1 hour of yellow and 1 hour without any; if the first is better always use blue until you run out, in the second case use yellow untill you run out. this way you get maximum value out of your lootscrolls for that spot.
obviously if you have infinite scrolls always use yellow. infinite meaning you will never use more than they give us.
that genshin impact bgm :D
so you notice :D
pleace change the hair in your character plss
50% of 3 thrashloot will give you aditional 1.. not one and a half.. but 100% will give you another 3... thats why 50% is not actually 50% in the end...
I never go yellow. I rather have 2x 50% drop rate than 1x 100%trash
lootscrolls actually have 100% item drop rate. 50% is for the trashloot amount
Tho, blue = 2x to alch into ONE yellow, so no matter what it becomes more or equal to yellow, mostly more.
Loving the Genshin music :)
What did I just watch.. kekw
But that genshin music tho
2 hours of 100% drop vs 1 hour of 100%, Trash isn´t all that matters dude
It really depends on where you go
my conclusion is, more base drop = more efficient loot scroll
unexpected