Couldn't agree more, it's stunning. I was worried that it would be to similar to my 38mm Hamilton Khaki, but in reality it's quite different. I'll compare them in the full review Thanks for watching and commenting
@Marcus Maximus Do you have an opinion on the hamilton khaki pilot pioneer? I've been weighting it against the mellor 72, though these smiths are really tugging on my heartstrings.
I'm a big Hamilton fan and i love my 38mm Khaki auto. If I'm thinking of the right watch it has faux aged lume, which I'm not a fan of, but I'd love to see one in the flesh. Thanks for watching and commenting
@Marcus Maximus Awesome. Thank you! The more I've been mulling it over, the more I'm drawn back to the Melor anyway-- I really dislike faux lume, but it was mostly the power reserve and WR that attracted me to the Hamilton. I already own (and love) a CWC g10, and find the acrylic to be really charming. I remain a bit concerned about WR, but I think your point about the movement is a very, very good one, and one that I'm largely ignorant about, so I really appreciate the detailed response. I'll probably follow up on this comment in a few weeks with what I've actually decided (or, perhaps, if I've decided to go with the PRS-29) in a few weeks. Thanks again!
They are all great. I think the AM is my favourite, but it's like picking a favourite child! Hoping to add a 4th when the explorers come back in stock!! Thanks for watching and commenting
For sure, but the w10 being the last watch fully produced in the UK has made that watch highly desirable and the rest of the brand with it. These modern versions white not made by the original company, offer a lot of the original feel. Not everyone will love the re issues, but I appreciate the aesthetic without the vintage pitfalls
I'm liking all 3 of these watches. I own a Smiths Everest PRS 25 and can vouch for the quality of these pieces from Timefactors. Keep up the good work!
Nice trifecta, looking forward to the Expedition review! I'm considering it for the next time TF opens up in August and I'm really on the fence. Not many small watches with a nice solid bracelet and good WR in the price range...actually this is the only one I've found! Not counting the Traska Summitteer and the Lorier Falcon which would cost me too much in VAT and customs.
Thanks, Expedition review is coming. Works been really busy the last couple of weeks so i just haven't had time, but it's coming soon! You are right, there's not much out there in this unfashionable size. I'm over the moon with all 3 of these. The Expedition has some very pleasing differences to the 2 manual winders. I had one of the first Lorier Neptune's and while it was a good watch it was a couple of steps behind these in terms of finish/quality. I haven't seen any of their newer releases so they may have upped their game, but ultimately i feel like the Time Factors watches offer a better value proposition. Thanks for watching and commenting
@@WTMS1 thanks for the reply, good to hear you're pleased with them! This would be my last purchase for 2020 after a collection purge and I want to make it count, and as an everyday versatile piece the Expedition seems fantastic, nothing about it looks banal.
Thanks for the positive feedback. Don't count them out entirely. They do feel small initially, but you soon get used to them. If you like the look but not the size, check out Time Factors, Eddie has some great watches at or near 40mm as well.
@@WTMS1 I went the the website straight after your vid and would have bought the white faced Daytona there and then had it not been sold out. I will return there frequently though. Best.
WT MS You’re welcome. Thanks for reviewing a few watches that’s a little off the grid. For the record that black one is nice. Just too small for my taste.
It's tough to answer that one, i own the 29, so that would probably be my answer, but the 48 is a lovely looking watch, and i like the case better than the 29. Sellita vs ETA movement is another consideration if that matters to you, but it shouldn't, the Sellita is a great movement. PRS-29 is currently out of stock and it might be a while before they come back. So, if i were purchasing today I'd get the 48 and no doubt be extremely happy with it
They are great watches, and seem to do very well on the used market, so once you pull the trigger you shouldn't lose out. Some of the Timefactors watches sell for a lot more than retail because they are tricky to buy new. Thanks for watching and commenting
The expedition is a beautiful watch. And yes, it's the closest to the watch Hillary claimed to have taken to the summit, although it's not clear he was wearing it at the summit.
I have two of Eddies. The 36mm PRS-25 balck dial and the PRS 29-AM. Both great but the Air Ministry is really great. I see on your IG there's no pic of the Everest....sold already? I'm Tunokies on IG BTW.
Haha, no all 3 are keepers, I just haven't posted the EE to insta yet. I'm getting in as much wrist time as possible with the PRS29-A for the upcoming review, so the EE is in the watchbox.. but it's next in the review list, so I'm sure there will be some insta pics coming. I saw the follow in IG, thanks. I will follow back I'm hoping to pick up the PRS25 when they are back in stock. Beautiful watch. Thanks for watching and commenting
I prefer the polished case of the expedition. It feels a bit better executed than the brushing of the other two. There is very little to fault on the brushed cases, but they are a degree behind the expedition in terms of 'feel' I will go into this in more detail in a forthcoming 4 way comparison Thanks for watching and commenting
@@WTMS1 Thank you for the quick reply. Looking forward to the next comparison video. I just received the Smiths Navigator PRS 48 and the finishing is amazing for the price so now am wondering how these models compare.
Check out the Timefactors store. Eddie has some great 40mm watches. There is a 40mm version of the prs25 which looks really good. Thanks for watching and commenting
Store opens for 5 minutes at a time? What kind of nonsense is that? It takes me 10 minutes to fill in the order, login to VISA or PayPal and pay something. Especially with modern day two-factor authentication/confirmation such as SMS.
It's not easy, but it's doable. There is no paypal option. Eddie closes the store when he has taken as many orders as he can fill before the next opening. Add something to your cart to see when the next opening is.
Smiths watches are nothing more than a watch made 100% in china with chinese generic parts. This is what you are buying if you go ahead. Why a Rolex homage? because the chinese have been making rolex copies for decades - there is plenty of factories producing them and it is easy and cheaper to assemble a watch using cases and bracelets that are a plain copy of a rolex. What are you getting extra from Smiths that justify the extra payment in opposition to the Rolex copies/hommages available at Aliexpress/ebay/alibaba for less than 100usd? Very little, but in summary the next: - Packaging: Smiths delivers the watch in an extremely cheap packaging - u can appreciate this in the video - Quality of the case and bracelet: the same as the ones sold at Aliexpress for less than 100usd. - Watch glass: Smiths offers sapphire but the ones from Aliexpress too - no improvement here. - Movement: Smiths offers a Miyota 9015 movement (btw a good movement), the ones at Aliexpress tend to offer the next options Miyota 8215, Seiko NH36, seagull ST16 or a generic chinese 2813 (The last one being the worst option - but is also fitted into the very cheapest watches, at around 50usd). - Dial and hands: Smiths comes with a simple printed dial - this is the cheapest way to produce a dial - and very generic rolex hands. Some of the other chinese copies come with dials with applied markers - this is more expensive yet those watches are sold for far less than Smiths. - Customer service: Chinese sellers are not known for providing a good customer service, but here is the key, Aliexpress intercedes between you and the seller and if you have a complain or receive a damage/defective product... you are likely to receive a full or partial refund. In the case of Smiths watches.... you just need to check out this video and will understand the type of person behind Smiths and what he delivers as a "customer service". ruclips.net/video/UfN4TLjsXPg/видео.html&lc=Ugw3F88zhYe8PNzz2Oh4AaABAg.9I09Cu91HeE9I3ejLKxCVy The last topic is brand heritage: Once a brand becomes abandoned by the owners - and this was the case of Smiths watches... Anybody can register and own the name by registering it again to himself --- this is the case of Smiths and many other brands (Ball watches, etc...). Timefactors has been importing batches of chinese watches and re-selling them to european customers since 1996... At some point the guy owning Timefactors realized he could re-register abandoned historical brands and he has done it several times... check Timefactors offerings, he not only offers Smiths but also other less known historical brands he has registered again---- the difference between the different brands he sells? only the brand logo he is requesting the chinese manufacturer to print on the dial. ----------- MAKE up your mind if you consider this kind of "heritage" deserves any additional value or payment.
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Thanks for the review. You've helped me make up my mind for my next watch
You are welcome, thanks for the feedback.
They are all great watches, but the question is... which one are you going to go for?
Check out the new mark 11 remake by Smith's 💗💗
IDguy reviewed it!!
The black one is such a perfect field watch...
Couldn't agree more, it's stunning. I was worried that it would be to similar to my 38mm Hamilton Khaki, but in reality it's quite different.
I'll compare them in the full review
Thanks for watching and commenting
@Marcus Maximus Do you have an opinion on the hamilton khaki pilot pioneer? I've been weighting it against the mellor 72, though these smiths are really tugging on my heartstrings.
I'm a big Hamilton fan and i love my 38mm Khaki auto.
If I'm thinking of the right watch it has faux aged lume, which I'm not a fan of, but I'd love to see one in the flesh.
Thanks for watching and commenting
@Marcus Maximus Awesome. Thank you! The more I've been mulling it over, the more I'm drawn back to the Melor anyway-- I really dislike faux lume, but it was mostly the power reserve and WR that attracted me to the Hamilton. I already own (and love) a CWC g10, and find the acrylic to be really charming. I remain a bit concerned about WR, but I think your point about the movement is a very, very good one, and one that I'm largely ignorant about, so I really appreciate the detailed response. I'll probably follow up on this comment in a few weeks with what I've actually decided (or, perhaps, if I've decided to go with the PRS-29) in a few weeks. Thanks again!
Great job Air ministry classic watch no wonder you bought three hard to decide. Keep em coming!
They are all great. I think the AM is my favourite, but it's like picking a favourite child!
Hoping to add a 4th when the explorers come back in stock!!
Thanks for watching and commenting
I remember in the day, Smiths were a cheap everyman watch. What can no longer be obtained gets to somehow be revered. Albeit, with some changes.
For sure, but the w10 being the last watch fully produced in the UK has made that watch highly desirable and the rest of the brand with it. These modern versions white not made by the original company, offer a lot of the original feel. Not everyone will love the re issues, but I appreciate the aesthetic without the vintage pitfalls
I'm liking all 3 of these watches. I own a Smiths Everest PRS 25 and can vouch for the quality of these pieces from Timefactors. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the feedback, it is appreciated.
I'm hoping to add the prs25 to my collection, it's a beautiful watch.
Wow wow wow! Love them! Respects from South Africa
Thanks for watching and commenting. It is appreciated
Very nice! Great review. The last one is my favourite but they all look great!
Many thanks for the positive feedback. The Air Ministry review is up now: ruclips.net/video/wIT7ACtUHYk/видео.html
Lovely watches; lovely video. Waiting for the reviews. Cheers.
Coming soon, i promise!
This is the review I've been waiting for,thank you.
Nice set of watches
Great review thank you
Awesome watches. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Really nice on the bracelet, I hope I'll get one with the next batch
I'm intending to get the PRS25 and PRS29AM. both of which you have! I AM SO JEALOUS!
You have to keep a close eye on the store, it's not open often. But good luck, i am sure you will enjoy them.
Cool👍
Nice trifecta, looking forward to the Expedition review! I'm considering it for the next time TF opens up in August and I'm really on the fence. Not many small watches with a nice solid bracelet and good WR in the price range...actually this is the only one I've found! Not counting the Traska Summitteer and the Lorier Falcon which would cost me too much in VAT and customs.
Thanks, Expedition review is coming. Works been really busy the last couple of weeks so i just haven't had time, but it's coming soon!
You are right, there's not much out there in this unfashionable size.
I'm over the moon with all 3 of these. The Expedition has some very pleasing differences to the 2 manual winders.
I had one of the first Lorier Neptune's and while it was a good watch it was a couple of steps behind these in terms of finish/quality. I haven't seen any of their newer releases so they may have upped their game, but ultimately i feel like the Time Factors watches offer a better value proposition.
Thanks for watching and commenting
@@WTMS1 thanks for the reply, good to hear you're pleased with them! This would be my last purchase for 2020 after a collection purge and I want to make it count, and as an everyday versatile piece the Expedition seems fantastic, nothing about it looks banal.
Watches far too small for my large wrists but absolutely lovely all the same. Brilliant vid mate
Thanks for the positive feedback.
Don't count them out entirely. They do feel small initially, but you soon get used to them.
If you like the look but not the size, check out Time Factors, Eddie has some great watches at or near 40mm as well.
@@WTMS1 I went the the website straight after your vid and would have bought the white faced Daytona there and then had it not been sold out. I will return there frequently though. Best.
Yes, the Daytona is beautiful. Keep an eye on the TZ forum where Eddie posts updates about expected stock updates & new watches etc
Too bad you didn’t have the PRS-40. That’s the Smith’s I love and it’s not a tiny watch.
Maybe one day.. they are great looking watches.
Thanks for watching and commenting
WT MS You’re welcome. Thanks for reviewing a few watches that’s a little off the grid.
For the record that black one is nice. Just too small for my taste.
If you were to choose - PRS-29 vs PRS-48, which one would be your choice?
It's tough to answer that one, i own the 29, so that would probably be my answer, but the 48 is a lovely looking watch, and i like the case better than the 29. Sellita vs ETA movement is another consideration if that matters to you, but it shouldn't, the Sellita is a great movement.
PRS-29 is currently out of stock and it might be a while before they come back. So, if i were purchasing today I'd get the 48 and no doubt be extremely happy with it
@@WTMS1 thank you! I must gather budget first place so maybe till that time both are available ;)
All 3 on my Wishlist. But sadly, not enough funds.
They are great watches, and seem to do very well on the used market, so once you pull the trigger you shouldn't lose out. Some of the Timefactors watches sell for a lot more than retail because they are tricky to buy new.
Thanks for watching and commenting
@@WTMS1 Good advice. I also like your other videos, such as on the San Martin. Appreciate your channel and sharing of wonderful watches.
The Expedition is the one for me. Isnt that the closest you'll find to the one that may have gone to everest?
The expedition is a beautiful watch. And yes, it's the closest to the watch Hillary claimed to have taken to the summit, although it's not clear he was wearing it at the summit.
I have two of Eddies. The 36mm PRS-25 balck dial and the PRS 29-AM. Both great but the Air Ministry is really great. I see on your IG there's no pic of the Everest....sold already? I'm Tunokies on IG BTW.
Haha, no all 3 are keepers, I just haven't posted the EE to insta yet. I'm getting in as much wrist time as possible with the PRS29-A for the upcoming review, so the EE is in the watchbox.. but it's next in the review list, so I'm sure there will be some insta pics coming. I saw the follow in IG, thanks. I will follow back
I'm hoping to pick up the PRS25 when they are back in stock. Beautiful watch.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Good morning,
Would you consider selling the Everest Expedition?
May I ask your opinion in terms of case finishing among the 3? Are they same or is 1 better than the other 2?
I prefer the polished case of the expedition. It feels a bit better executed than the brushing of the other two. There is very little to fault on the brushed cases, but they are a degree behind the expedition in terms of 'feel'
I will go into this in more detail in a forthcoming 4 way comparison
Thanks for watching and commenting
@@WTMS1 Thank you for the quick reply. Looking forward to the next comparison video. I just received the Smiths Navigator PRS 48 and the finishing is amazing for the price so now am wondering how these models compare.
what is your wrist size and which one is favourite?
I'm guessing you didn't watch the whole video ;) 6.5"
Like mine exactly. How do you find the lugs on the 29? Looking forward for the review! 😉
Time Factors, i want a dark dial Smiths Everest PRS-25 in 36mm..
Hi Dennis, check out the Timefactors website where you can order the watch. Thanks
As much as I love these retro watches, I would be more interested in buying one if they updated the size of them, maybe to 40mm....
Check out the Timefactors store. Eddie has some great 40mm watches. There is a 40mm version of the prs25 which looks really good.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Store opens for 5 minutes at a time? What kind of nonsense is that? It takes me 10 minutes to fill in the order, login to VISA or PayPal and pay something. Especially with modern day two-factor authentication/confirmation such as SMS.
It's not easy, but it's doable. There is no paypal option. Eddie closes the store when he has taken as many orders as he can fill before the next opening. Add something to your cart to see when the next opening is.
Three tiny watches for the itty bitty wrist committee
buying one is a pain as the guy is only open for five minutes.
Smiths watches are nothing more than a watch made 100% in china with chinese generic parts. This is what you are buying if you go ahead.
Why a Rolex homage? because the chinese have been making rolex copies for decades - there is plenty of factories producing them and it is easy and cheaper to assemble a watch using cases and bracelets that are a plain copy of a rolex.
What are you getting extra from Smiths that justify the extra payment in opposition to the Rolex copies/hommages available at Aliexpress/ebay/alibaba for less than 100usd? Very little, but in summary the next:
- Packaging: Smiths delivers the watch in an extremely cheap packaging - u can appreciate this in the video
- Quality of the case and bracelet: the same as the ones sold at Aliexpress for less than 100usd.
- Watch glass: Smiths offers sapphire but the ones from Aliexpress too - no improvement here.
- Movement: Smiths offers a Miyota 9015 movement (btw a good movement), the ones at Aliexpress tend to offer the next options Miyota 8215, Seiko NH36, seagull ST16 or a generic chinese 2813 (The last one being the worst option - but is also fitted into the very cheapest watches, at around 50usd).
- Dial and hands: Smiths comes with a simple printed dial - this is the cheapest way to produce a dial - and very generic rolex hands. Some of the other chinese copies come with dials with applied markers - this is more expensive yet those watches are sold for far less than Smiths.
- Customer service: Chinese sellers are not known for providing a good customer service, but here is the key, Aliexpress intercedes between you and the seller and if you have a complain or receive a damage/defective product... you are likely to receive a full or partial refund. In the case of Smiths watches.... you just need to check out this video and will understand the type of person behind Smiths and what he delivers as a "customer service". ruclips.net/video/UfN4TLjsXPg/видео.html&lc=Ugw3F88zhYe8PNzz2Oh4AaABAg.9I09Cu91HeE9I3ejLKxCVy
The last topic is brand heritage: Once a brand becomes abandoned by the owners - and this was the case of Smiths watches... Anybody can register and own the name by registering it again to himself --- this is the case of Smiths and many other brands (Ball watches, etc...). Timefactors has been importing batches of chinese watches and re-selling them to european customers since 1996... At some point the guy owning Timefactors realized he could re-register abandoned historical brands and he has done it several times... check Timefactors offerings, he not only offers Smiths but also other less known historical brands he has registered again---- the difference between the different brands he sells? only the brand logo he is requesting the chinese manufacturer to print on the dial. ----------- MAKE up your mind if you consider this kind of "heritage" deserves any additional value or payment.
lol nice try...