X-Men Evolution Was Weird

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  • Today on the show, Faust talks about the early 2000's Kids WB and Marvel Studios X-Men Cartoon, X-Men Evolution!
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    X-Men: Evolution is an American animated television series about the Marvel Comics superhero team X-Men.[1] In this incarnation, many of the characters are teenagers rather than adults. The series ran for a total of four seasons (52 episodes) from November 4, 2000 until October 25, 2003 on Kids' WB, which has made it the third longest-running Marvel Comics animated series, behind only Fox Kids' X-Men and Spider-Man animated series. The series began running on Disney XD on June 15, 2009.
    Produced in the United States, the voice recording was done in Canada and the show was animated in Japan and South Korea
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  • @matthewgaviola8885
    @matthewgaviola8885 4 года назад +880

    I loved how they made Logan more of a father/mentor figure and got rid of the love triangle between him Jean and Scott

    • @saltysalad493
      @saltysalad493 3 года назад +20

      Same

    • @rubylucylefty
      @rubylucylefty 3 года назад +92

      I also like how in one of the episodes he threatened to tell Jean Scott liked her if Scott didn’t do it himself. I laughed so hard when he turned around smirking

    • @autobotjedi3457
      @autobotjedi3457 3 года назад +53

      While I'm starting to come around to that particular love triangle, I still really dislike the whole idea - it just feels wrong.
      Another thing that I *LOVE* about Evolution is that we got a better suit for Logan. No offense to the original writers and artists, but what self-respecting man goes around in canary yellow and sky blue?

    • @Mercy.Beloved
      @Mercy.Beloved 3 года назад +4

      EXACTLY! That made no sense.

    • @autobotjedi3457
      @autobotjedi3457 3 года назад +4

      @@Mercy.Beloved thanks! Glad I'm not the only one! 😀
      Um, quick question: are you agreeing with my opinion on the love triangle, the suit, or both?

  • @RandomBlackGamer
    @RandomBlackGamer 5 лет назад +464

    I have a huge soft spot for Evolution. Although it was a little silly for the Mutants to be attending high school instead of just attending the Xavier Institute it still worked. Especially when the lid was blown on the character's mutant identities. While it did many new things to cater to younger audiences it made sure to utilize older lore. Like Nightcrawler's image inducer. I don't think any prior X-Men shows did that. Also I marked out when they put Wolverine in his Ultimate costume. If I'm not mistaken it was like the first Marvel cartoon to start using elements from the 1610 comics along with Morrison's New X-Men lore. I can go on and on but I love this series. It doesn't get enough credit.

    • @sandywolfr26
      @sandywolfr26 5 лет назад +27

      I love that they attended a regular school cuz it was like seeing how well they can hide that they was mutants. How well they can do things normally without using powers. Also it a way for them to get used to being around normal people. If they just attend their school, then they would get careless cuz everyone a mutant in the school. They probably will forget about the normal people or not care that much about them cuz they haven’t connected to them.

    • @lightheart5
      @lightheart5 3 года назад +5

      This is why the X-Men should have secret identities like other superheroes

    • @autobotjedi3457
      @autobotjedi3457 3 года назад +2

      @@sandywolfr26 that's a good point about them attending a normal school.

    • @autobotjedi3457
      @autobotjedi3457 3 года назад +2

      @@lightheart5 I thought they always did. Must be the newer stuff. 🙄

    • @lightheart5
      @lightheart5 2 года назад +1

      @@sandywolfr26 True, but not everyone's going to know how to deal with people born with superpowers

  • @lucariomew365
    @lucariomew365 5 лет назад +1753

    X-Men Evolution, in my opinion, has the best adaption of Apocalypse's storyline in any incarnation.

    • @alicedarhk9790
      @alicedarhk9790 5 лет назад +10

      Yup

    • @AliceInWonder98
      @AliceInWonder98 5 лет назад +29

      That is the truth I loved this show

    • @lucariomew365
      @lucariomew365 5 лет назад +90

      @Jakazu No. It really wasn't. X-Men Evolution had the advantage of building up the mystery of Apocalypse through several episodes thanks to his acolyte Mesmiro. The episodic format also allowed the writers to build upon the motivations and personalities of the characters, which ultimately had a huge impact on the coming of Apocalypse. This culminated in his eventual revival in the season 3 finale, wherein he truly had the presence of the powerful ancient mutant that he was always built up as, but lacked in most mediums - seriously, he usually comes across as more of a physically imposing cyborg or mechanically advanced alien than a mutant. Truly, It was the first and only time that I've believed Apocalypse to be powerful before any of his celestial enhancements.
      As for X-Men Apocalypse, the film is ultimately bogged down by a lot of unnecessary baggage from the rest of the Fox X-Men franchise. Normally I try to ignore that sort of thing to focus on the story arc itself, but I just couldn't. Most of the character motivations were either weak or completely nonsensical. Then you have other factors like J-Law's Mystique drama (both on screen and behind the scenes) and the massive continuity error of Angel existing decades before he was supposed to have been born, and the fact that he was now British instead of American. But worst of all Apocalypse is just as inconsistent.
      The DoF end-credits scene built up a lot of expectations for me. Seeing the young En Sabah Nur casually build the pyramids, while being worshiped by seemingly millions was breath taking. His introductory scene as an adult in X-Men Apocalypse was also epic, as was his reawakening. I even liked how they basically gave him aspects of the Shadow King via his relationship with Storm. But then it went down hill. We see Apocalypse use mind control ONCE (when he piggybacks off Charles' psychic link to force the military to launch all the nukes) but otherwise it's suggested that he convinced the 4 Horsemen to follow him to end the world after a brief conversation. It would have made more sense if he had used some mind control to compel his horsemen. Because from what we see, he doesn't even make a very good case for his philosophy. For the rest of the movie he ceased using any and all of his impressive powers, aside from power argumentation, in favor of cheesy monologuing. Honestly, Apocalypse felt more like a plot device to reset the status quo and reestablish teen versions of the previous characters from the OG timeline. I also never understood how this version of the character acquired his tech/armor.

    • @tykamen5588
      @tykamen5588 5 лет назад +52

      The show hadn't been canceled it would've adapted the Phoenix storyline

    • @MyNegroAcademia
      @MyNegroAcademia 5 лет назад +2

      Absolutely

  • @lilixlove2285
    @lilixlove2285 5 лет назад +253

    "Look he's wearing the outfit. He's on my side!"
    "T H I C C"
    this made my day oh my goodness

    • @valdoxtheunmerciful
      @valdoxtheunmerciful 4 года назад +8

      I KNOW RIGHT? And then they got brainwashed but they still got blamed for being on magneto's side like they had a choice??

  • @richadoruisuthegod3674
    @richadoruisuthegod3674 5 лет назад +1332

    YES! finally someone who doesn't trash X-men evolution just because it de-aged alot of the x-men

    • @Naa45702
      @Naa45702 5 лет назад +119

      Yeah it’s good stuff. The warmest Wolverine too. I’ve never met someone trashing x men evolution

    • @charlesman8722
      @charlesman8722 5 лет назад +38

      It made more sense then the comics storyline

    • @mttylerdurden9
      @mttylerdurden9 5 лет назад +90

      Considering some of the characters (Cyclops, Jean, Kitty,)started off as teenagers in their debut in the comics it's not really a deal breaker.

    • @IllMatic97
      @IllMatic97 5 лет назад +3

      @@mttylerdurden9 what channel did this show come on. I forgot cause i used to watch X Evo

    • @mttylerdurden9
      @mttylerdurden9 5 лет назад +5

      @@IllMatic97 it was on kids WB

  • @gameface187
    @gameface187 5 лет назад +406

    Evolution rogue or 90's rogue, who is bae?
    Me: yes

    • @Afrotistic
      @Afrotistic 5 лет назад +21

      *Same*

    • @jessea4438
      @jessea4438 4 года назад +39

      That's like asking if I prefer chocolate or peanut butter. Why can't I just have Reeses?

    • @Pand4goonZ
      @Pand4goonZ 4 года назад +10

      Thats hard one love my 90s rogue but evolutuon rogue though

    • @juliano2334
      @juliano2334 4 года назад +3

      IKR Rogue is so beautiful

    • @taylortait1
      @taylortait1 4 года назад +10

      90s sugah. Hands down. That booty was so well done.

  • @tomfawcett5562
    @tomfawcett5562 5 лет назад +375

    I’m happy I grew up with evolution and wolverine but still watched the OG animated series. I remember all 3 equally well.

    • @anyamiller9014
      @anyamiller9014 5 лет назад +17

      All three shows, OG Xmen animated series, Wolverine and the Xmen, and Xmen Evolution were all awesome. But I really appreciated and enjoyed Xmen Evolution's young adult/high school feel.

    • @nkjr353
      @nkjr353 5 лет назад +11

      @@anyamiller9014 In my head I always saw Wolverine and the X-Men as a spiritual continuation of X-Men evolution

    • @tomfawcett5562
      @tomfawcett5562 5 лет назад +3

      NK JR My memory mixes the two all the time.

    • @anyamiller9014
      @anyamiller9014 5 лет назад +5

      @@nkjr353
      Same. I always envisioned Wolverine and the Xmen as the "mature" season that would happen years after Xmen Evolution ended. I even tried to find easter eggs in both or hints to connect the two. Gosh I wish we got more of both. Especially Wolverine and the Xmen which really deserved a s2.

    • @Synch340
      @Synch340 5 лет назад +1

      I loved the episode in season 1 called "Possession" and the introduction of X-23. I loved Wolverine and the X-Men.

  • @IANGEL101I
    @IANGEL101I 5 лет назад +230

    After watching the all the X-Men cartoons and some of the comics, in my mind, Evolution Rogue was a teenage girl slowly getting used to her powers and accepting herself while the adult 90s Rogue was a woman who was more confident and embraced who she was. She evolved (no pun intended).

  • @mj1mj3
    @mj1mj3 5 лет назад +259

    This show was basically how I was introduced to the X-men

  • @mttylerdurden9
    @mttylerdurden9 5 лет назад +721

    This show was also the introduction of Laura Kinney (x-23)

    • @spritepunk
      @spritepunk 5 лет назад +12

      I was about to say, also her debut episode was my fourth birthday

    • @izzysauls7737
      @izzysauls7737 5 лет назад +21

      It was the BEST introduction of Laura in my opinion and it sucks that we didn’t get a new season where she was rumored to be a big part of

    • @Anubis-xk4ht
      @Anubis-xk4ht 4 года назад +1

      @ULGROTHA X 23 was easily the most forgettable character in x men evolution and logan.

    • @Anubis-xk4ht
      @Anubis-xk4ht 4 года назад +7

      @ULGROTHA this show is very underrated and people barely talk about it some even forgot that she originated from this show even after the movie people are only talking about wolverine they hardly mention her

    • @lunatictheater6901
      @lunatictheater6901 4 года назад +16

      X-23 is a awesome character and I feel like a lot of people don't know that this show introduced her X-Men evolution is not credited enough for that

  • @SoundsOfTheWild3
    @SoundsOfTheWild3 5 лет назад +556

    It was weird how they would fight and then go to school and have class together.

    • @warrenpeace8729
      @warrenpeace8729 4 года назад +78

      Sounds like just regular school nowadays lol

    • @richlizard709
      @richlizard709 4 года назад +2

      lmao.

    • @markusj7965
      @markusj7965 4 года назад +19

      That’s literally the premise of the Persona series.

    • @kentinson1670
      @kentinson1670 4 года назад +7

      X-Men did it before My Hero Academia

    • @jadennbarnn9346
      @jadennbarnn9346 3 года назад +13

      @@kentinson1670 Yeah but in MHa the students dont have to go to class with the literal villains that tried to kill them yesterday. While at the same time pretending in front of their classmates that they're not mutants. While the principal being a =n evil mutant herself who probably tried to kill them the other day.

  • @TriTomMaximum
    @TriTomMaximum 4 года назад +364

    For me, personally, I liked how they decided to make Jean and Scott teens while Wolverine an adult so they wouldn't use the contrived love triangle subplot.
    I understand that it's a staple in the series, but I appreciated the decision here so that they could make Scott more likable as a character.
    That and it would be totally gross having a grown man constantly hitting on a teenage girl.

    • @clubnubdub9079
      @clubnubdub9079 3 года назад

      You mean a 18 year old?

    • @partydogs3337
      @partydogs3337 3 года назад +4

      @@clubnubdub9079 eight-TEEN

    • @clubnubdub9079
      @clubnubdub9079 3 года назад

      @@partydogs3337 but thats a adult?

    • @partydogs3337
      @partydogs3337 3 года назад +4

      @@clubnubdub9079 the person you were replying to only said she was a teenage girl which I was saying was quite literally true since she was 8-TEEN... still called a teenager but yea legally an adult

    • @partydogs3337
      @partydogs3337 3 года назад

      @@clubnubdub9079 so what’s ur point?

  • @WhiteRaven696
    @WhiteRaven696 5 лет назад +803

    This cartoon was MY X-Men. I really hope the MCU takes inspiration from this cartoon. Especially concerning Rogue. This Rogue is just like Raven from Teen Titans, which of course makes me love her even more.

    • @siloPIRATE
      @siloPIRATE 5 лет назад +49

      I can't accept 90s Rogue or X Men movie Rogue. Evolution Rogue is best Rogue

    • @meganstane2428
      @meganstane2428 5 лет назад +11

      Your right about that. I didn't even think about that. They are the same in a lot of character traits.

    • @Irose_YTBE
      @Irose_YTBE 5 лет назад +44

      I always felt x men evolution was the best rogue because it really showed the trauma and tragedy that comes with her powers, as well as how overpowered they actually are.

    • @smallla1514
      @smallla1514 5 лет назад +7

      @@siloPIRATE Yes! For me rogue has the best look in X-Men evolution

    • @siloPIRATE
      @siloPIRATE 5 лет назад +14

      @@smallla1514 Yeah. 90s Rogue just never looked right to me. And her personality was too happy for someone with her powers

  • @emari98_97
    @emari98_97 5 лет назад +295

    Can we acknowledge Gambit accepting Rogue for who she is and her abilities.

  • @AngelFace198787
    @AngelFace198787 5 лет назад +329

    I loved both the 90s X-men and X-Men: Evolution

    • @decadentgamer3108
      @decadentgamer3108 5 лет назад +11

      Same. Both were good in their own ways. :)

    • @decadentgamer3108
      @decadentgamer3108 5 лет назад +5

      @Erwin Lii LOL I can't disagree, there were a lot of times Jean was just comically bad. But boy was it entertaining lol I still laugh at this scene every time lol ruclips.net/video/hzc5VHL1bPM/видео.html

    • @jturner2577
      @jturner2577 4 года назад +5

      All 3 X-Men Cartoons are great.

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 4 года назад +1

      X men evolution all day

    • @marvelfanatic9535
      @marvelfanatic9535 3 года назад

      @@jturner2577 I agree, 100%!!! Those shows need another Season

  • @ccrz77
    @ccrz77 5 лет назад +126

    This show is the first ever appearance of X-23, she was so popular on the show they introduced her in the comics

  • @ray495903314
    @ray495903314 5 лет назад +313

    I liked rogue's incarnation in this series she actually learns to control her powers which i haven't seen her do just yet

    • @MoNDockS225
      @MoNDockS225 5 лет назад +12

      @joel prince Her being a mood

    • @kreiyu
      @kreiyu 5 лет назад +1

      She does it in the comics at one point for a bit before her powers get reset back to 1. Cant remember why exactly.

  • @joshwoooooo
    @joshwoooooo 5 лет назад +34

    This is still the only show with a fully realized Jean Grey not dependent on Scott or caught in a love triangle but her own complete person

    • @ShadowSonic2
      @ShadowSonic2 Год назад +1

      Well, she still WAS in a love triangle but here she wasn't at the center of it. Meaning she had to be active and not passive.

  • @jackhayes828
    @jackhayes828 5 лет назад +189

    This show has the best adaptation of toad

  • @Stephanie-pp9fp
    @Stephanie-pp9fp 5 лет назад +114

    I'm a DC fangirl, who really likes animated series. I found the X-men: Evolution, and I fell in love with it in a minute. For me, this was different from the other superhero series. They fought less with evil, but I learned more about the characters. After, I watched the X-men TAS, and it was really good, but Evolution is still my favourite. This is the reason why I am a huge X-men fan now, too.

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 4 года назад +2

      quick silver and wunder were my favourites lol

  • @GenerationWest
    @GenerationWest 5 лет назад +134

    So, I own every episode, seen them multiple times, made me the huge X-Men fan that I am today, it made love it's story structure, character storylines, and costume design, (also, I love how they have more than one civilian look). I love the 90s series and all, but THIS was my show, plus it gave us Dad Wolverine, best Cyclops, Goth Rogue (That episode where it was just "The Craft"), Best Boom Boom, Best Nightcrawler, Best Kitty, Best Toad (Glad Noah Fisher took off), Best Jean (didn't faint all the damn time), (the best of alotta things actually), introduced X-23, and introduced me to a bunch of Canadian VA's who will be the cast of Death Note lol

    • @cosmicriptid
      @cosmicriptid 3 года назад +2

      Yeah the civilian costumes were always strange to me. It's one thing to have all your combat suits look the same but you'd think most of these people only owned one set of clothes.

    • @Lawyer2B84
      @Lawyer2B84 3 года назад +1

      Do you remember what episode they play the animated series theme song on the guitar??

    • @autobotjedi3457
      @autobotjedi3457 3 года назад +2

      @GenerationWest Evolution was the best adaptation of the X-Men imo. I mean, going back to the 90s series, Cyclops was utterly ruined. Sure, he was brooding in the comics, but he had a *personality!* In TAS he had the charm of a torn up wet paper bag. Sorry, Cyke's one of my favorites, and when I think about how most of the characters were handled in TAS, I get passionate. And Jean was *definitely* an improvement over her 90s counterpart. X-23's debut was the best, and this series features most, if not all, of my favorite Canadian VAs.
      Wait, how'd you get the Season 4 episodes? I can only watch them online. 😂😅

    • @autobotjedi3457
      @autobotjedi3457 3 года назад

      @@cosmicriptid that's one thing I recently noticed about most TV shows, they have the same civilian outfit. As an off-topic example, Ezra from Star Wars Rebels wore the same tattered street clothes up until season 3. With all of these cartoons, you're left thinking, "What, were you born wearing that?"

    • @catherinew.5878
      @catherinew.5878 3 года назад +4

      Oh my gosh, this is the only version of Scott I can tolerate in any of the cartoons. In all the other ones he’s a bland mess who just gets jealous over Jean all the time. It was a huge letdown watching Wolverine and the X-Men after I grew up on this show, it messed up all the characters. I love this version of Nightcrawler… and all the characters, actually.

  • @misti-step
    @misti-step 4 года назад +40

    i love this version of kurt-- his personality isnt just "hi im german and catholic"

  • @yahoo3388
    @yahoo3388 5 лет назад +90

    I saw XMEN EVOLUTION in the title and i CLICKED IMMEDIATELTY

  • @ihop2001
    @ihop2001 3 года назад +35

    Magneto: Lived through a genocide that he was almost a victim of.
    Also Magento: Wants to create another genocide in the future.

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 2 года назад

      And so the cycle of vengeance and hate continues on.

    • @lightheart5
      @lightheart5 2 года назад

      Not everyone can deal with people born with superpowers.

  • @KeonVioletWilkins
    @KeonVioletWilkins 5 лет назад +55

    Cyclops has always been my favorite and I felt like this show always did him the justice that most forms of media (including comics) just dont give him.

    • @partydogs3337
      @partydogs3337 3 года назад +2

      I feel like he’s always way too involved things concerning Jean in the movies

  • @xdjrunner
    @xdjrunner 5 лет назад +54

    X-Men Evolution was **GOOD** . There I fixed it. Christ

  • @lukeroberts8473
    @lukeroberts8473 5 лет назад +200

    This show tricked me into thinking that I loved X-Men. As it turns out I only really just like particularly runs of them. This being one of my favorites

    • @hectichomo
      @hectichomo 5 лет назад +7

      Luke Roberts couldn’t have said it better than myself 😢

    • @jonbrewer297
      @jonbrewer297 5 лет назад

      Oh, that happens a lot. Read Nightwing some time for an example of hit-or-miss characterization, and be aware that everyone else's ideas of what constitutes a hit or a miss are different from yours.
      I do remember there was a bit of a controversy when Marvel hired Devin Grayson to do X-Men: Evolution _because_ of her Nightwing work.

    • @KcKc13
      @KcKc13 5 лет назад +3

      I agree-I think it’s mainly because the movies are pretty bad and because the comics have existed for so long that the writers probably feel like they’ve run out of material and just make stuff more and more weird and dramatic. The romances are too entangled and some of the plots have just been so weird, even for people with super powers. Also not to mention comics are often created mainly with a male audience in mind or even the artists and writers in mind, which sometimes leads to weak yet over sexualized female characters. I always thought I loved the x-men too, but it’s really just the x-men in a more kid-friendly bubble that I’ve loved (and I say this as an adult lol). I’ve been really excited about Mr and Mrs X though, I haven’t had the chance to read whole issues but I’ve read quite a few panels and it looks good!
      *Edit:* I'm not talking about powers but about characterization. I love so many female X-men members--Rogue and Storm are some of my favorite super heroes, period. But there are issues with how super powered women are portrayed at times so please read my comment below and research before trying to argue. Thanks! :)

    • @KcKc13
      @KcKc13 5 лет назад +3

      ​@Jake I'm saying that Marvel and really super hero creators in general often have a problem portraying women not as weak heroes but as weak /characters./ Sometimes I feel like they lose out on character development in some comic lines and seem to just be there as sex appeal. This can be due to the way they're written or how they're drawn. Sometimes they're a really cool character that's well-loved but is STILL tinged in unnecessary constant sexualization (cough Rogue and Wonder Woman cough). This isn't ALWAYS true of course, and lots of times it only happens within specific comic lines and not in their story as a whole, but it happens enough within Marvel in general that I've noticed it ever since I was a kid.
      Comics aren't just about the fights and the powers anymore, it's about the reader connecting with the person behind the mask too. The demographics of super hero fans have changed dramatically as well; now tons of girls are interested as well, though really a number of us always have been.
      An example of what I'm saying: look at how many weird angles female characters are always drawn in. Their bottom or chest is always visible and they're twisting in unrealistic poses, even in fights. Almost every female super hero I've seen has unrealistic proportions and are way too curvy for their weight. Not every woman is an hourglass (And yes many of the Marvel men are unrealistically muscular but it's not at all the same). Please look up articles about this if you'd like more proof of sexualization in comics. I recommend the article "The Objectification of Women in Comic Books" from Fantasy Magazine.
      Also, look at Jean for example in many different storylines, including this show--a lot of times her personality is incredibly bland and only gets interesting because of her powers or Phoenix. Even in X-men: The Last Stand, where she becomes Phoenix and is so out of control they have to take her down, the most notable parts about her is that she [spoiler] killed the Professor and her husband and gets with Wolverine. Bland.
      You're right that those characters are some of the most powerful mutants, and hands down they're some of the coolest Marvel characters in general. Can't believe I forgot to give them credit since I love most of them. Kinda wish you'd responded more nicely though. :/

    • @jonbrewer297
      @jonbrewer297 5 лет назад +1

      @@KcKc13 There's also the "rape as something that happens to women" trope. What I mean is, in comics, rape is just done to start drama, and it's the only thing they can think of for women.

  • @-stage_number_03-95
    @-stage_number_03-95 4 года назад +39

    X-Men Evolution will always have a special place in my heart. I grew up with it and it is my favorite adaptation of the x-men. Sure it was weird. But I liked the style, and the storylines a lot better. I also really like how Rogue was in this series.

  • @gabrieln9145
    @gabrieln9145 5 лет назад +277

    You should talk about Wolverine and the X-Men which I think was pretty good

    • @tmorri603
      @tmorri603 5 лет назад +31

      It was a great show. It should have had more seasons.

    • @hakiymyoung2513
      @hakiymyoung2513 5 лет назад +3

      Yeah this was a great show

    • @irvenman
      @irvenman 5 лет назад +7

      They were produced by the same person

    • @hindsightpov4218
      @hindsightpov4218 5 лет назад +7

      ‘Wolverine and the X-Men’ had its flaws, but it was significantly better than ‘X-Men Evolution’.

    • @gabrielreyesjr7852
      @gabrielreyesjr7852 5 лет назад +2

      Yo that show was awesome

  • @kdvn1
    @kdvn1 4 года назад +21

    X-men evolution was the best adaption of X-men hands down in my opinion! I can rewatch it anytime and I love all the characters it was so well done and deserved more

  • @matman329
    @matman329 5 лет назад +80

    X-Men evolution was the first superhero show I watched.

  • @Soulintheshadows
    @Soulintheshadows 5 лет назад +168

    Anyone else remember when Burger King was giving out mini DVDs in kids meals?

    • @classyoldsole2539
      @classyoldsole2539 5 лет назад +7

      SoulInTheShadow
      I actually had one of those!!😲
      It was Quicksilver.❤️😏
      And I had the toy of him too, but.. I don’t remember if the DVD and toy were a package deal or not....😐

    • @iUsedToBeAMusician
      @iUsedToBeAMusician 5 лет назад +5

      Yeah. But did anyone else stupidly put it in their GameCube?

    • @JeromeSwoosh
      @JeromeSwoosh 4 года назад +1

      Yup

    • @ianchandler270
      @ianchandler270 4 года назад +1

      Oh god, you brought back a ton of memories. I had Nightcrawler and was so confused. I had never seen a tiny disc like that before.

    • @warrenpeace8729
      @warrenpeace8729 4 года назад +1

      Omfg bro yes I had cyclops

  • @StCrimson667
    @StCrimson667 5 лет назад +162

    13:33 "early 2000s teenage lesbian goth" LMAO! XD
    X-Men Evolution was my crack when I was a kid, this show was my childhood. I was a little too young to remember the original X-Men TV show, I only ever got to see a few episodes that my parents had on VHS so this was really my first introduction to the X-Men and I loved it! This show will always hold a special place in my heart!

  • @terratheterribl
    @terratheterribl 5 лет назад +35

    I had the biggest crush on rogue watching this as a kid and grew up to hate Gambit when I found out they were a thing in the comics.

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 4 года назад +3

      I loved kitty lol, it’s a shame that half the people in the cartoons aren’t in the movies, like quick silver. wander and spike

    • @abdullahamr9941
      @abdullahamr9941 3 года назад +3

      @@Kylehernand4836 and lance

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 3 года назад +1

      Abdullah Amr OMG I loved lance

    • @abdullahamr9941
      @abdullahamr9941 3 года назад +3

      @@Kylehernand4836 he was more complex than some of the brotherhood i wish he would just join with the x men

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 3 года назад

      Abdullah Amr haha but he looked abit goofy when he did join them😂
      I just wished lance and kitty would of been a couple like jean and Scot lol.
      Also did u notice in the cartoons the X men outnumber the brotherhood but in the movies it’s the opposite?
      Also I didn’t like that the movies was so different from the cartoons like in the movies kitty and iceman have a thing, but in the cartoons kitty and lance had a thing. I just don’t understand why they didn’t have lance in the movies ffs.

  • @11gingin
    @11gingin 5 лет назад +87

    rogue and shadowcat buffy dance. and the comic books literally always ended on a teen drama moral

    • @randallflagg3700
      @randallflagg3700 5 лет назад +5

      The "X-Men: Evolution" comic books were terrible, can't believe it was some actual official stuff... it almost reaches a "so bad it's good" status IMHO
      (the issue in which the Brotherhood tries to win Rogue back to their cause was the only one I would have wanted to see animated, in this one the art was particularly bad though).

    • @coreymichaeltate3963
      @coreymichaeltate3963 5 лет назад +1

      that dance was every. shout out to the queen of slay buffy! we see you girl. lol!

  • @joshgillam5130
    @joshgillam5130 5 лет назад +14

    Not entirely sure why this showed up in my recommendations, but glad I clicked. I absolutely loved this show. I actually used Evolution to introduce my kids to the X-Men. Great video

  • @patte5306
    @patte5306 5 лет назад +86

    Also, x-23 originated from this show

  • @MChedderbeef
    @MChedderbeef 4 года назад +21

    I’m 21 years old and I’m STILL mad that Kitty ends up dating Lance and she and Kurt never got together...

    • @bwaco7004
      @bwaco7004 4 года назад +1

      M. Chedderbeef Bruh yes

    • @kehindehopkins6933
      @kehindehopkins6933 4 года назад +10

      That pissed me off so much but Kurt's relationship, with that regular human girl(i forgot her name) was pretty cute and heart-warming and was pretty necessary to add more layers to the mutant-human dynamic.

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 4 года назад +2

      I loved kitty lol, it’s a shame that half the people in the cartoons aren’t in the movies, like quick silver. wander and spike

    • @_Frieza
      @_Frieza 3 года назад +1

      @@kehindehopkins6933 I'm like multiple months off of responding to this but the human girls name is amanda

    • @partydogs3337
      @partydogs3337 3 года назад

      @@_Frieza I’m a lot of months off responding to this too but i looked it up and it said she was (in the comics) his lover and FOSTER SIBLING wtf marvel

  • @pandaboy5o
    @pandaboy5o 5 лет назад +42

    To me x men evolution is the best x men adaption. Rogue was my favorite character I just was so in love with her as a kid. Edit: and Wanda. They were the fucking best!

  • @legomultiverse4258
    @legomultiverse4258 4 года назад +2

    I think this is the the best adaptation of the X-men because it balanced life as an x men and life as a teenager. I also like how it would add characters to the team as the show went on, which is something I felt the 90s cartoon lacked. I also enjoyed the character designs as they were a much more grounded take on the classic costumes. For me personally, the wolverine design is one of top three favorites behind the giant sized x men and the x force designs.

  • @nazarethbrownie
    @nazarethbrownie 5 лет назад +85

    I love X-men especially STORM 💙💙⚡️🌬

  • @myra6406
    @myra6406 4 года назад +20

    THIS WAS THE SHOW I GREW UP WITH

  • @emoXjessiX2030
    @emoXjessiX2030 5 лет назад +88

    I saw X-men Evolution first when I was a kid on Saturday mornings. I loved it so much it got me into comics. I shipped Kitty and Nightcrawler so hard. Also fun fact Nightcrawler and Light Yagami have the same voice actor.

    • @LDtheBrachio
      @LDtheBrachio 5 лет назад +8

      Kurt & Kitty FOREVER! =D High FIve!

    • @JesusPerez-pe8vk
      @JesusPerez-pe8vk 5 лет назад +1

      WHAT

    • @bethanymcmurtrey9542
      @bethanymcmurtrey9542 5 лет назад +8

      Also, a lot of the voice cast here was also in Inuyasha.

    • @jonbrewer297
      @jonbrewer297 5 лет назад

      We all have our first. For me, it was reruns of the 1966 Batman series, admittedly decades later. My first foray into Marvel comics was the 1992 X-Men cartoon series.

    • @nicholase82
      @nicholase82 5 лет назад +4

      Im a Kitty x Lance shipper myself. But i do love the show for exploring relationships more than the other X Men cartoons.

  • @moua64
    @moua64 3 года назад +6

    The last 2 episodes of Season 4 are some of the best xmen ever. The psionic battle between Horseman Xavier and Jean was amazing! You even got a little hint of Phoenix because Jean manifests a psionic shield in the shape of the Phoenix insignia to defeat Professor X. Honestly, it made me tear up watching this again.

  • @DawningofDragons
    @DawningofDragons 5 лет назад +31

    I grew up watching it, and it cemented Rogue as my favorite character.

  • @dinosaysrawr
    @dinosaysrawr 5 лет назад +4

    "When people call themselves 'realists,' they're usually just rationalizing being jerks" is actually a really important and useful message for a children's show to convey.

    • @lightheart5
      @lightheart5 Год назад

      That's the point, not everyone's going to know how to deal with people born with superpowers

  • @CryptidZeker415
    @CryptidZeker415 5 лет назад +71

    Yeah I remember growing up and watching both evolution and the animated series. And honestly, evolution did one thing that is rare to do nowadays, and that is have a proper finale.
    Yeah it would have been great to have Emma frost, the dark pheonix saga, space adventures and etc with the x men, but for what the finale was, it ended on a good note in my book.

  • @justinresil3205
    @justinresil3205 5 лет назад +4

    I loved this show so much! This series helped me connect to X-men. Spike was a huge favorite of mine! I'm so glad the creators made this character! Honestly, I liked all of the character designs and the way the mutants used there powers. I also loved the fact that the characters talked normally and fluidly like one person just casually talking to another person in comparison to grand standing and monologing, which is a common problem with superhero TV shows.

  • @nkjr353
    @nkjr353 5 лет назад +17

    X-Men Evolution and TMNT 2003 are my favorite comic book cartoon depictions. They have an actual teenage feel being fun and light while being able to show darker themes and subtle nuances in character and story.

  • @Neethan3247
    @Neethan3247 5 лет назад +2

    This, Specacular Spiderman, Gargoyles, and ReBoot are great shows that ended without a proper finale. Someone needs to start a petition to bring these back. Glad you did a video on this bro. Cheers.

    • @BigK13372
      @BigK13372 5 лет назад +1

      Gargoyles continued on in the comics.

  • @mafxarr8776
    @mafxarr8776 5 лет назад +42

    I loved the Fox version of the X-Men animated series and Evolution was a nice quality follow up to that series. I agree with you on the looks of Wanda and Pietro. They looked cool. Rogue was also ok.
    Really hope the MCU takes their time and does right by the new adaptation of these iconic characters

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 4 года назад

      I loved kitty lol, it’s a shame that half the people in the cartoons aren’t in the movies, like quick silver. wander and spike

  • @fataleflare
    @fataleflare 5 лет назад +41

    You should review Static Shock! It delt with a lot of mature themes that are super relevant now!

    • @MidoriDad
      @MidoriDad 5 лет назад +6

      Yes!!! It wasn't afraid to go "there" (even though sometimes it felt a bit "afterschool special(ish))

  • @ellesontlabete2669
    @ellesontlabete2669 5 лет назад +144

    actually prefer evolution to the earlier x men animated series. yes i corrected it.

    • @felixworthington6880
      @felixworthington6880 5 лет назад +8

      yes, I thought I was the only one

    • @dollartreejadenyuki6046
      @dollartreejadenyuki6046 5 лет назад +7

      emm ill eee 1 i like them both a lot.but i do find my self watching evolution more.

    • @ellesontlabete2669
      @ellesontlabete2669 5 лет назад +3

      Felix Worthington i am SHOCKED no ones jumped down my throat about it given past experiences🙄

    • @conormctapoutaka0-1aka0tit5
      @conormctapoutaka0-1aka0tit5 5 лет назад +1

      You're a weirdo

    • @ellesontlabete2669
      @ellesontlabete2669 5 лет назад +2

      Conor McTapout aka 0-1 aka 0 Title Defenses Better than any of the labels that come to mind perusing your "channel".

  • @elizabethgriggs322
    @elizabethgriggs322 3 года назад +2

    I loved that with Evolution, the Brotherhood are the 'bad' kids, but they're never actually evil. They're angry, poor, have had rough lives, and the show doesn't skirt around that. They're still sympathetic in their own ways, and each member of the Brotherhood gets moments that humanize them. And in the epilogue, it shows they actually joined SHIELD, and are their own kind of heroes now. It was a very nuanced take on how kids set up with no or bad guardians will be on the wrong track, even if the kids are good at heart.

  • @cupcakekiller7545
    @cupcakekiller7545 5 лет назад +75

    I loved X Men Evolution, Especially Rogue😂❤️

  • @405boy4
    @405boy4 4 года назад +17

    I loved this series. They should bring it back..

  • @reggieclarke3526
    @reggieclarke3526 5 лет назад +28

    Toad was my favorite i mean how can u not love him

    • @randallflagg3700
      @randallflagg3700 5 лет назад +5

      He had the best theme song0 T. O.A.D *TOAD!* . The Brotherhood were my favorite mutants, I just wished we could have seen more of the Acolytes...

  • @newwaveplus
    @newwaveplus 5 лет назад +9

    Evolution is probably my favorite incarnation of the X-Men.

  • @TheRealLemur
    @TheRealLemur 5 лет назад +15

    I'm so glad to have you back Faust. You're one of my top favourite you tubers

  • @Omakeer
    @Omakeer 5 лет назад +30

    "Early 2000 Teenage Lesbian Goth" is my favourite description of anything ever!

  • @angeless5628
    @angeless5628 5 лет назад +37

    X23 was born in this serie too^^
    Shadowcat and her relation with Lance was nice too!

    • @sladewilson6348
      @sladewilson6348 5 лет назад

      She was underused

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 4 года назад +1

      I loved kitty lol, it’s a shame that half the people in the cartoons aren’t in the movies, like quick silver. wander and spike

  • @jackferlito5762
    @jackferlito5762 5 лет назад +2

    This show was the definitive X-men for me growing up. I think to a certain extent I subconsciously always come back to this when seeing something new with the X-men

  • @dragonwatter
    @dragonwatter 5 лет назад +20

    personally i grew up on th 90s series. it really became my base line for x-men. this being said it took me a while to get into evolution. i was a bit insulted by the costumes. To men in the 90s series the costumes felt like expressions of each mutans individuality, which to me was to some extent what x-men was about. When evolution came out and the costumes looked so bland like the movies it felt like a betrayal of the source material. also i may have had a crush on the fuzzie dude, what i will say this the civilian clothing was great, I totally agrea i would love more good versions of emma frost. i thought she was awsome in wolverine and the x-men and fell in love with the her in the i wish she was my teacher way in the X-Men ANIME

  • @joshuaahern1
    @joshuaahern1 3 года назад +10

    I've watched X-Men Evolution, and it's actually pretty good.

  • @Kullen64
    @Kullen64 5 лет назад +17

    Loved it so much. Also, it gave us X-23 who really got me into comic books back in high school.

  • @JackieFuckingChan
    @JackieFuckingChan 5 лет назад +10

    I loved this show. It had such an epic setup for Apocalypse that I wish was sprinkled in X-Men 1-3.

  • @bryanjeancharles1756
    @bryanjeancharles1756 5 лет назад +37

    You should do wolverine and the x-men if this becomes a series

  • @RedFoxReviewer
    @RedFoxReviewer 5 лет назад +7

    I grew up watching the 90s X-Men cartoon and used to watch Evolution with my friends after school on the weekends. I've also seen most of Marvel's animated shows over the years.

  • @yahoo3388
    @yahoo3388 5 лет назад +5

    when you were saying the show was not afraid to go into x-men's light and dark sides, it reminded me of that time in the series when Rogue, when given the chance to save her mom Mystique and 'be better than her' she (in the most beautiful cartoon animation of a character i have possible ever seen) pushes her off a cliff with this impassioned roar...
    on one hand, the show was about kids playing around and giggling with their mutant powers... then you have these moments where these teens make adult, complex actions... like Rogue, who didnt want to show she was better than evil Mystique, she just wants to hurt her...

  • @CrystalPepsiDog
    @CrystalPepsiDog 3 года назад +1

    I really loved the Morlocks and Spyke plot. In episode "Uprising" you can see how Spyke, this kinda childish and fun-loving teenager that rides a skateboard becomes a real man fighting for freedom and acceptance among humans of "underground" mutants, he strongly believes in this cause and risks his life for his kinsmen. I found the ending of this episode very emotional, especially when Storm said to him "I'm proud of you" as he was descending back into canal with other Morlocks.

  • @skylord2114
    @skylord2114 5 лет назад +108

    I’d love for you to do a video like this again but with avengers earths mightiest heroes

    • @Wyndamn
      @Wyndamn 5 лет назад +13

      One of the best cartoons EVER, criminally underrated.

    • @wendellstephens6311
      @wendellstephens6311 5 лет назад +15

      The only good Avengers cartoon.

    • @skylord2114
      @skylord2114 5 лет назад

      Love you or hate you you were spitting straight facts

    • @skylord2114
      @skylord2114 5 лет назад

      Both of you are spitting straight facts

    • @redhood5264
      @redhood5264 5 лет назад

      That show was so good yes please Faust

  • @Sasoriscarecrow
    @Sasoriscarecrow 5 лет назад +2

    I love that Alex and Scott don't hate each other in this version.

  • @aceofpentacles2k
    @aceofpentacles2k 4 года назад +10

    X-Men Evolution was my shit growing up and NO ONE I know has ever watched it and it always makes me sad. I feel the same way when I talk about W.I.T.C.H because no one seems to know that show either.
    Will, Rogue, Toph and Raven from Teen Titans greatly influenced my aesthetic

    • @partydogs3337
      @partydogs3337 3 года назад

      Dude fr I can never find anyone who’s watched this or any other show I watched (I didn’t have cable growing up so I had to watch old shows)

  • @lissah1103
    @lissah1103 5 лет назад +1

    Not only was X-Men Evolution one of the most foundational shows of my childhood, but this Rogue X-Men Evo is the best cosplay I've ever worked on making.

  • @Itsisaacdhx
    @Itsisaacdhx 5 лет назад +12

    Loved Evolution and all the other animated X-men shows!😆

  • @randomavenger3048
    @randomavenger3048 4 года назад +3

    One of the few addaptions of Cyclops that didn't made him look like a completely idiot.

  • @muzumaki619
    @muzumaki619 5 лет назад +26

    Im still amazed there was that one episode of the show that had the generic white girl dance sequence with Rouge and Kitty Pryde

    • @randallflagg3700
      @randallflagg3700 5 лет назад +6

      You mean they rotoscoped Buffy & Faith's dance from Buffy season 3, that was a nice hommage to one of my favorite live action shows ever

    • @beckwilliams2524
      @beckwilliams2524 5 лет назад +1

      @@randallflagg3700 they rotoscoped a scene from The Craft and a dance from Coyote Ugly too in the episode Walk on the Wild side.

    • @BigK13372
      @BigK13372 5 лет назад

      I think we all like to pretend that episode didn’t exist. Just like Powerless from Avengers: EMH

  • @jacobmarcus7256
    @jacobmarcus7256 5 лет назад +1

    X men evolution is what introduced me to the x men when I was 6 years old. Kitty pryde has been my favorite x men character since day one, thanks to this show.

    • @jewekclashroyale
      @jewekclashroyale 4 года назад

      Mines lance :) Season 5 could have shown the love triangle Between lancitty and piotr :(

  • @TheMaka19
    @TheMaka19 5 лет назад +21

    Yes and I think when I was growing up wanda and rouge influenced me a lot

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 4 года назад

      I loved kitty lol, it’s a shame that half the people in the cartoons aren’t in the movies, like quick silver. wander and spike

    • @goddessinyou654
      @goddessinyou654 3 года назад

      Raymond Stevens Kitty has an annoying voice.

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 3 года назад

      Goddess In you lol

  • @GuyNamedGray
    @GuyNamedGray 5 лет назад +14

    Watched the show every Saturday morning, really made me appreciate Rogue and Kitty. Any chance of a video on Wolverine & the X-Men?

    • @Kylehernand4836
      @Kylehernand4836 4 года назад +1

      I miss kitty and lance lol they should have put him in the movies

    • @dippy_1999
      @dippy_1999 3 года назад

      @Raymond Stevens He was in the movies. He was just some background cannonfodder in The Last Stand.

  • @Persepholeigh
    @Persepholeigh 5 лет назад +3

    X-Men: Evolution was my second ever experience with superheroes [After Powerpuff Girls], and it helped shape nearly every aspect of my life. My writing is heavily influenced by it, and I even spent a few years working on a continuation for it that was intensive enough that I only needed a script and animation skills to turn it into something viewable. It's one of those things that I have difficulty listening to even valid criticism for it.

  • @eliwinkels4546
    @eliwinkels4546 5 лет назад +1

    I grew up with X-Men Evolution as my only knowledge of the X-Men until parents decided I was "old enough" to watch the movies, and I gotta say, I'm glad it was Evolution that I grew up with. The animation style and storytelling were so good and the reason I fell in love with the X-Men, and to this day they still have many of my favorite depictions of characters and story arcs from the comics.

  • @Poisonivy4444
    @Poisonivy4444 5 лет назад +7

    X-men evolution was my favorite growing up

  • @angeltomlinson2635
    @angeltomlinson2635 4 года назад +6

    This was my favorite adaptation of this show

  • @alanfigueroa3386
    @alanfigueroa3386 5 лет назад +12

    X-Men the animated series, X-Men evolution, Spider-Man the animated series, wolverine and the X-Men ECT...

  • @aspenbataille5827
    @aspenbataille5827 5 лет назад +1

    X-Men Evolution was one of the greatest shows of my childhood. All of the teen superhero shows were phenomenal to me (this, Iron Man Armored Adventures, Spectacular Spider-Man, etc.)

  • @dublinpaper
    @dublinpaper 5 лет назад +8

    Loved this show. It's my favorite X-Men show of all time!

  • @marcuscrews8344
    @marcuscrews8344 5 лет назад +1

    This series introduced some of the most approachable, palatable iterations of some of the X-Men. Wolverine and Cyclops, for example, were far less gruff in Evolution than they have been over the last 20-some years.
    On top of that, most of the characters had plenty of moments to shine--even the New Mutants, like Iceman and Magma, got chances to step up.
    It was fun to watch them become stronger over time, especially Jean, who went from struggling to bend bars to containing explosions.
    And we were spared from another Phoenix Saga. We were blessed. Let's be honest.

  • @2AMBOi
    @2AMBOi 5 лет назад +3

    Superhero Squad. That show deserves some light to be shed on it

    • @BigK13372
      @BigK13372 5 лет назад +1

      Thanos wants to be a chicken farmer!
      But seriously that wad good show. It knows how to be entertaining with the mythology gags.

  • @btrstopmotion7768
    @btrstopmotion7768 3 года назад +2

    This is the best adaptation of Cyclops to date.

  • @marcelinorosas6868
    @marcelinorosas6868 5 лет назад +7

    X-men evolution was such a great one!

  • @piedathemokona
    @piedathemokona 3 месяца назад

    Didnt realize the contrast of scott and alex flying out of the plane as kids and they did it as teens. Made me so emotional.

  • @riotboi81
    @riotboi81 5 лет назад +14

    Omg! Someone made a scene were the girls were walking down their high school hallway synched with The Craft scene! It was neat and I can't find it anywhere!!! 📱😵

    • @beckwilliams2524
      @beckwilliams2524 5 лет назад +2

      It was in "Walk on the Wild Side", season 2 episode 13. It'll be on RUclips somewhere, most of the episodes are on here.

    • @riotboi81
      @riotboi81 5 лет назад +1

      Thanks!!! I'll look it up!!!! 📱😸👍

    • @unavailable1649
      @unavailable1649 3 года назад +1

      It’s on tumblr, just saw it a few days ago

    • @riotboi81
      @riotboi81 3 года назад +1

      Do you have a link?!?! 📱😺

    • @riotboi81
      @riotboi81 3 года назад +1

      Oup', I found it! Thanks for the heads up! 😺

  • @jeffco5237
    @jeffco5237 5 лет назад +1

    X-men evolution series really focuses on the lives of the students rather then the super hero adventures, made the characters more real to me

  • @bushbobberson9769
    @bushbobberson9769 3 года назад +5

    RIP Cyclops’ VA Kirby Morrow

  • @samuelfrazier7562
    @samuelfrazier7562 5 лет назад

    As a matter of fact, Evolution was the first X-Men that I actually liked. This lit a fire under me and forced me to get up, create my own characters and stories, mostly not X-Men, and was the basis for a story that I still write and is ongoing. You could never say enough praise for this show!

  • @ShizuruRavenRobin026
    @ShizuruRavenRobin026 5 лет назад +13

    i loved this show ,i feel it did rouge right unike the movie's andi like how they linked her to apocalypse,i'm happy it didn't do the phoenix arc ,from cartoon's to movies no one dose it right, i liked wanda in this but feel she was better in wolverine and the x-man

  • @rogbartheswift1481
    @rogbartheswift1481 4 года назад +1

    X-Men Evolution is DEATHLY underrated, I loved this show as a kid. It's probably in my top ten of comic book cartoons. Maybe even top 5.

  • @breeh6414
    @breeh6414 5 лет назад +6

    Evolution was my first xmen show, I fell in love with it. And also I'm 100% on Magneto's side.

  • @katymbeke8400
    @katymbeke8400 Год назад

    UK viewer here. I remember watching it on Kix during Saturday afternoons. I liked the fact that they were teenagers which made them more relatable to some degree, and Logan as a mentor figure who wasn't trying to date Jean was a breath of fresh air from the movies.