'r' should be trilled yes? Also some of the other pronunciation sounds robotic making the aspirates sound the same as the non-aspirates. Thanks for the effort but this really doesn't help much for those wishing to speak. I hope someday - someone that makes these videos - is willing to take the time to combine both the proper text and speech. I will after I learn but it'll be a bit... Anyone wanna help? (Ya I'm actually serious but, we're talking in a couple years so no rush, still 5 books to get through yet ...) I do appreciate the effort. I do not enjoy making videos. It is a time-consuming process when you actually care about the content. I understand you may not think the pronunciation mattered in these videos but please remember that inaccurate information spreads more easily than that which is accurate ... especially wrong speech. In short: The pronunciation is lazy and people will jump on that to not have to work to do it right, making it better left out if one cares about Pali as a whole. And yes the diacritic is missing. It's a keyboard issue. This may seem like nitpicking but not to people that really care about the future of Pali and Buddhism. It would also be nice if we could all agree on which roman characters to use but, that isn't a "you" problem. That is a global problem. Anyway ... I could have AI generate these videos by next week if I wanted to do it easy. I'm just saying. It is hard to tell with videos like this if they're truly meant to help people or simply for revenue like most things on youtube. All I know is, I came here to hear the 'r' some more and it is incorrect and other sounds are robotic so this is useless.
Thank you so much for your description of the functionality of the niggahīta 🙏 I was so lost and so many textbooks and other videos online either didn't explain it well enough or completely avoided it. I've been gathering resources to learn Pāli for the past week or so because I plan on both studying the Tipitaka as well as pursuing ordination as a monk and I know that learning the original language of the Pāli Canon will help me immensely. Your videos are allowing me to pursue my future dreams so I thank you.
I'm glad you find then useful. f you are looking for more learning resources and you haven't done already, check out my blog resources page: palistudies.blogspot.com/p/resources.html
0:59 this is Thai. The phonology has changed a lot now. ก-ka ขคฆ-kha ง-nga จ-ja ฉชฌ-cha ญ-ya ฏ-ta ฐฑฒ-tha ณ-na ต-ta(again) ถทธ-tha(again) น-na(again) ป-pa ผพภ-pha ม-ma ย-ya ร-ra ล-la ว-wa ส-sa ห-ha There are two ways to write Pāli in Thai. The one that obeys Thai orthography and the one that obeys Pāli orthography. For example โหนตุ reads “hōntu” in Thai, but “hōnatu” in Pāli. So in Pāli we need ฺ under the ending consonant. โหนฺตุ now reads “hōntu” in Pāli. พุทธัง reads “buddhang”(actually putthang in modern phonology) in Thai, but in Pāli we need to write พุทฺธํ The ฺ under the ท is, of course, to not make an “a” sound after it. And the ํ above the ธ? That’s the niggahita(นิคหิต) it makes the -ng sound. นํ says nang, นิํ says Ning. ิ makes the “i” sound in Thai. -Thai dood
Thank You. Please tell me saṃsāra from pali - what is more correct - to write and say samsara or sansara in English, slavic and other languages? Is it closer to saMsara or saNsara?
A most excellent presentation of Pali pronunciation! Wish I didn’t have the pet-peeve of shuttering when I hear Western monks ordained in the Thai sangha pronounce “v” as a hard “w.” Somehow it doesn’t bother me when Thais do it. Lol.
Guy. I just stopped this at your apology for pronunciation. If you wanna see how unprofessional i usually am when tired you can check my history im sure but the history is only a reflection of the content. Pali is lost with time to an extent. There is nothing to apologize for. It is great that you are sharing this and im trying to study myself here for the pali canon as the english - while suiting for years - feels lacking after some time. It is literally impossible to find anyone local so it is a solo practice except for those willing to take the time to share. I dont really care your motivation. Much better than cat or gaming videos. I hope youre continuingthis. Good day
Yes I agree this is a poorly covered area; and I have to add I'm no expert. I think there are two things to be aware of. First is heavy & light syllables. Heavy syllables are emphasized. A syllable in Pāli is either Consonant (C) + a vowel (v) or a vowel alone. C+v, v - Ānandajoti has a syllable guide: www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/Textual-Studies/Grammar/The-Parsing-of-Pali.htm A syllable is heavy if it contains: long vowel [ā, ī, ū, e, o], [a, i, u] + ṃ, or [a, i, u] + CC - You'll find more information in articles on Prosody (Pāli poetry). Secondly, there is stress. Stress is placed on the last heavy syllable of the word, but not the last syllable itself. I hope that helps.
Lily de Silva’s the" Pali Primer" is possibly the easiest. This is a simple, if rudimentary introduction to the language. Or Narada Thera's "An Elementary Pali Course" is a complete beginners course in Pali that moves a bit faster than de Silva's Primer. Both are available free online. And you can find links on my Pali Language resource page: palistudies.blogspot.com/p/resources.html And I also have a post on starting to learn Pali: palistudies.blogspot.com/2018/05/learn-pali-where-to-begin.html Hopefully this will get you off to a good start.
Hi admin, could you please introduce me a tool/website/app (ios app) that could pronounce a pali word when we type it or press it in a sentence? Thank you so much!
Sorry, I don't know of any such app. It would be very useful though. The nearest thing I can think of is SuttaCentral Voice, where you can type a pāli word, and it will read out various sutta references including that word... voice.suttacentral.net/scv/index.html#/sutta
Hi, my native is chinese language. I don't understand well about dental and retroflex. you said english has no counterpart with dental, and english t and d are very close to retroflex. If retroflex is close to t, why they put a dot underneath?
First, I'm not an expert. But, retroflex means "bent back"; true retroflex consonants are pronounced with the tongue fully curled back so that articulation involves the underside of the tongue tip on the roof of the mouth. Whereas the dental involves touching the tongue to the tooth ridge. I think in English, the t sound is more retroflex than the d sound. See the Pali alphabet playlist for a wider selection: ruclips.net/video/m7qFn3tUX-g/видео.html
See dear, all Indian languages, whether Dravidian, indo-aryan languages have preserved this retroflex distinction, except interestingly, Sino-tibetan languages, which have zh, nga that are not used by the aforesaid languages. The retroflexes can be pronounced very easily, u just need to place ur tongue just above the teeth area, the big rounded portion and it's aspirated. Breathe in air, touch the portion of that aforesaid area of ur ridge with ur tongue and try to produce a sound by leaving or exhaling air at the same time. Try to pronounce( t, th, d, dh, n) like that, there is no English equivalent sadly. If u use the tongue and touching the teeth to pronounce them, then they would be dental consonants( t, th, d, dh, n) and easily found in English like "tits" for dental t, " thor" for th, "devour" for d and so on . Retroflex consonants are rarely found in world linguists, but so are the tones in Sinitic languages. If u try to get it the way I said, it's easier. small children in India, usually have problems in pronouncing retroflex sounds at first, but eventually they get it. If u are having problems, Do write in the comments, I can send some links, whereas it's easy.
Mostly correct, though unfortunately the "jh" is mispronounced. It should be pronounced as d͡ʒʰ, like an English "j" (or like dg in the word "edge"), only aspirated. The Glasgow tutorial you posted pronounces it as ʒ like the Russian Ж or Farsi ژ or like the "s" in the English word "pleasure." I'm not sure why. Regarding the "v," ideally it should be pronounced as labiodental approximant ʋ (which is a unique sound not found in English), but honestly it's easiest just to pronounce it as English v when between two vowels and as English w when in a conjunct consonant.
Thank you for the feedback. In my playlist on the alphabet, I've tried to include as many sources as possible as I myself am terrible at pronunciation.
Burmese accent on the alphabets c and ch use "s" sound (as in "say") j and jh use "z" sound (as in "zero") v is pronounced as "w" sound s is pronounced as "soft t" sound (as in thing) o is pronounced as "aw" as in "law" There are some rules on pronouncing the words that look strange in Burmese characters. Examples with approximate pronunciations Manussaloka (Ma- note* - ta - law- ka) Buddha (boat- da) Metta (mit- ta) Jhāna (zaa- na) Aññamañña (in- nya- min- nya) Maṅgala (min- ga- la) Tāvatiṃsa (Taa- wa- tame*- ta) Cakkhu (Sak- khu) Extra fact: Pāli words (usually "burma-nized") are recognised as a type of nouns in Burmese grammar.
I'm a self taught student, mainly learning from books. I've traveled a lot in India, studying both Buddhism & Vedanta. During lock-down I thought learning Pali might be fun... I struggled with the technical language and was quite shocked how little resource there was for the absolute beginner, especially on RUclips. So I decided to document my own learning experience, and give explanations as I went along.
I have heard that you love to speak Pali language. I do.. So that I would love to have a chance to conversate with you in Pali language. How can I contact with you? Thanks.
Maybe you can help with Pali C - so Cakkhu (chak-ku meaning eye) sounds like rich at beginning of word. But why is there loads of doubles c in Pali - Example; Anicca, (A-ni-cha meaning impermanence) spelt with 2 c? but we pronounce it as A-ni-cha? why is there a double c when there is no need for it? thinking about it, anytime you see cc is just pronounced like Ch?
OK, first, I'm no expert on this - I'm just a student like yourself. But I can shed some light on a few things here. First, each letter in Pāli only has one sound, so 'c' in Pāli is always pronounced 'ch' as in chat. The 'k' fills in the English 'c' sound as in cat. The double 'cc' just makes the 'ch' sound longer. Many double consonants in Pāli, come from a Vedic origin. For instance, anicca (a+nicca) is based on the Vedic, 'a-nitya', The 'ty' consonant cluster isn't allowed in Pāli and so under goes a phonological transformation to become 'cc'. According to Bhante Ānandajoti's website: Any dental or retroflex stop or nasal followed by y converts to the corresponding palatal sound, and the y assimilates to this new consonant, eg. satya → sacya → sacca For more see: www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/Textual-Studies/Grammar/Transforming-Sanskrit-into-Pali.htm Hope that helps.
@@LearnPali wow!!! Thanks so much for this, makes complete sense!! Also , fyi, there is a useful place called forvo, its a pronunciation page from native speakers and they added Pali to it few years ago. I have added quite a few words myself although I know some are a bit shaky! Someone, perhaps monk, comes on now and then thumbs my pronunciation down and records correct pronunciation and you can also communicate on there ! There Is only a few of us pronuncing words so dictionary is small but growing. The phone app is awesome. Hope this will also benefit you :-)
Learn Pali Thanks so much for this 👍 I have been reading a book introducing Buddhism which give both the Sanskrit and Pāli for various words and I’ve noticed this changing into double letters of parts of Sanskrit words, when being transferred into Pāli - and have been wondering what is going on here. Bob
@@LearnPali hi dear, I believe the CCA sound that he is referring to, is formed by the combination of 2 ca, not one. It is very common in indian languages, I believe this is called "gemination of consonants" in linguistics. So, if u want to write anicca, let's break it this way, Anicca- A( the first vowel) + ni( dental n with short i vowel ) + cca( ca+ca; 2 times; try to pronounce the letter by combining 2 ca's together). So, if I write this in Devanagari script, it would be like this as the order I specified earlier- Anicca- अ+नि+च्च ( the character for A is अ, dental n is न and for ca, it's च. Since it's geminated by combining 2 ca's , the letter is also written by combining 2 ca's together) Usually, the abugidas that we use, we tend to write the geminated consonants by joining one half of the consonant with the same consonant. There are 2 types of Abugidas in India, Northern Brahmi and Southern Brahmi. The northern type is exactly like the aforesaid, while the Southern Brahmic Abugidas like Sinhalese, burmese and Thai tend to use special characters, that u have to learn while learning the script.
@@rtam7097 not modified... it was the local language of the lay people that time. It came to be knows as Magadhi during Ashoka's reign when Pataliputra of Magadha became the capital. The language used during Vedas and Upanishads was known as chhandas.
@@amit.k4012 u should know that d pali language is not d oldest language in India it was a modified *Magadhi Prakrit* for easy pronounciation for every people in dis world nd it was done intentionally for d pronounciation ease for masses. Like *Nibbana,Sabba,Piya,Dhamma,Chakka,Kamma,Khetra,Bhikkhu,Tassa,Bhagga* r intentionally made less tongue twisting or easy pronouncable from d original *Nirvana,Sarva,Priya,Dharma,Chakra,Karma,Khsetra,Bhikshu,Tasya,Bhagya* as it is d language of Buddhism nd has to reach masses be it from India or foreigners. Except in pali all d other prakrits used quite same like d original words. Nd Prakrit was not a single language but many types like *Sauraseni prakrit,Magadhi Prakrit(ancestor of **_Odia,Bengali,Maithili,Assamese,Sylethi_** ),Gandhari Prakrit,Maharastri Prakrit,Ardhamagadhi Prakrit,Elu Prakrit(ancestor of **_Sinhala,Dvihehi_** )* nd classical sanskrit is d closest to *Sauraseni Prakrit* (ancestor of Hindi belt,Punjabi nd other related north Indian languages) or also u can say a dialect. *Gandhari Prakrit* (ancestor of Dardic languages like Kashmiris,Shina) was d only prakrit which retained many old indo-aryan features which lost in other prakrits. Like for eg. it retained d word Rta(truth) which was replaced with Satya(truth) in other prakrits. Svasr(Sister) which was replaced by Bhagini(sister) in other prakrits.
Yes, the grammar is unchanged. I known there are some differences between accents - Sri Lankan Pali vs Thai vs Burmese - but I think the grammar is pretty much the same.
Yes, you're right, and that's why I've included a visual so you can see how the mouth is working. For other alphabet intros see the playlist: ruclips.net/video/m7qFn3tUX-g/видео.html
I like video pronunciation Pali. I don't reach in Seeing Speech Lab : www.seeingspeech.ac.uk/ipa-ch... You can help me link dowload pronunciation Pali Language Thank you
Great presentation but it would be better if the actual pronunciation was done by a native hindu speaker. It would be much closer and more accurate that way.
When you're in an Indian mindset, you'll do such mistakes! Expecting logics in English, like that of their language. I mean, why there's no "Ha" sound in "aitch", if there's "ka" sound in "Kay" and so on!
Actually ... i kinda have to ask if some of those are synth voices. Was digging to subscribe when it started playing. If so, disregard my thanks and please. Get off the internet. You are simply disrespecting the language at that point and now i do know your reason. To anyone that cares for real, bodhisattvayana will be up eventually. Not thw hippy site but the real one. Theravada focus but woth bodhisattva info that doesnt rag on theravada. A little twist yes. Steing theravada focus including pali. Bodhisattva discussion. Like it or not. Wont share the full url but if youre interested keep an eye. I am but one person. I am both learning and creating while helping a family. Dont listen to robots. Practice outloud yourself no matter how embarrassing it feels. Youll get it right trust me. Then listen to some monks chanting online and compare. It honestly is not that hard... i am listening over and over and i cannot match the voice to yours. I jave code for this. Ignore my rypos. I do not use auto correct and study when i first wake. Anyway, to keep with right livelihood oddly, i run my own IT business see. Doing onky nice things. Avoiding plagarism and laziness. Careful ai use for study but never to replace where humans should be. Thinking back through the introduction,there are multiple red flags. So people... Readingthe Buddha's discourses- bikkhu bodhi. DeSilva Warder Perniola Geiger All well known. All great. Readingand studying alone will teach youhow to speak it. If you do not have the time or claim as much then Pali is bot for you and that is the truth. Atuff like this is for when defecating or robing. Not proper study. Good day
Please see the Pali alphabet playlist for a wider selection:
ruclips.net/video/m7qFn3tUX-g/видео.html
How to say I love you in pali
'r' should be trilled yes? Also some of the other pronunciation sounds robotic making the aspirates sound the same as the non-aspirates. Thanks for the effort but this really doesn't help much for those wishing to speak. I hope someday - someone that makes these videos - is willing to take the time to combine both the proper text and speech. I will after I learn but it'll be a bit... Anyone wanna help? (Ya I'm actually serious but, we're talking in a couple years so no rush, still 5 books to get through yet ...)
I do appreciate the effort. I do not enjoy making videos. It is a time-consuming process when you actually care about the content. I understand you may not think the pronunciation mattered in these videos but please remember that inaccurate information spreads more easily than that which is accurate ... especially wrong speech. In short: The pronunciation is lazy and people will jump on that to not have to work to do it right, making it better left out if one cares about Pali as a whole. And yes the diacritic is missing. It's a keyboard issue.
This may seem like nitpicking but not to people that really care about the future of Pali and Buddhism.
It would also be nice if we could all agree on which roman characters to use but, that isn't a "you" problem. That is a global problem.
Anyway ... I could have AI generate these videos by next week if I wanted to do it easy. I'm just saying. It is hard to tell with videos like this if they're truly meant to help people or simply for revenue like most things on youtube. All I know is, I came here to hear the 'r' some more and it is incorrect and other sounds are robotic so this is useless.
Thank you so much for your description of the functionality of the niggahīta 🙏 I was so lost and so many textbooks and other videos online either didn't explain it well enough or completely avoided it. I've been gathering resources to learn Pāli for the past week or so because I plan on both studying the Tipitaka as well as pursuing ordination as a monk and I know that learning the original language of the Pāli Canon will help me immensely. Your videos are allowing me to pursue my future dreams so I thank you.
I'm glad you find then useful. f you are looking for more learning resources and you haven't done already, check out my blog resources page: palistudies.blogspot.com/p/resources.html
0:59 this is Thai. The phonology has changed a lot now.
ก-ka ขคฆ-kha ง-nga
จ-ja ฉชฌ-cha ญ-ya
ฏ-ta ฐฑฒ-tha ณ-na
ต-ta(again) ถทธ-tha(again) น-na(again)
ป-pa ผพภ-pha ม-ma
ย-ya ร-ra ล-la ว-wa ส-sa ห-ha
There are two ways to write Pāli in Thai. The one that obeys Thai orthography and the one that obeys Pāli orthography. For example โหนตุ reads “hōntu” in Thai, but “hōnatu” in Pāli. So in Pāli we need ฺ under the ending consonant. โหนฺตุ now reads “hōntu” in Pāli.
พุทธัง reads “buddhang”(actually putthang in modern phonology) in Thai, but in Pāli we need to write พุทฺธํ
The ฺ under the ท is, of course, to not make an “a” sound after it. And the ํ above the ธ? That’s the niggahita(นิคหิต) it makes the -ng sound. นํ says nang, นิํ says Ning. ิ makes the “i” sound in Thai.
-Thai dood
interesting, thanks.
Learn Pali I just edited my comment lol. Didn’t know you’d reply so fast
555+ Correct. I was confused while reading 2 types of Pali-Thai.
Thank you very much for your teaching Pāli.
You are welcome!
Thank you very much for the video! It helps me to understand what Thai-people makes for crazy things with roman-letters.
Thank You. Please tell me saṃsāra from pali - what is more correct - to write and say samsara or sansara in English, slavic and other languages? Is it closer to saMsara or saNsara?
They're both pretty interchangeable since there's no literal English equivalent sound to 'ṃ'. Perhaps samsara is more common.
Thank you very much for your teaching and sharing of Pali langauge.
That's nice. Thanks for showing me the pronunciation.
A most excellent presentation of Pali pronunciation! Wish I didn’t have the pet-peeve of shuttering when I hear Western monks ordained in the Thai sangha pronounce “v” as a hard “w.” Somehow it doesn’t bother me when Thais do it. Lol.
Thank you. I'm glad you like the video.
Amazing video. So rigurous and clear at the same time.
the tutor is very humble
Sādhu Sādhu Sādhu🙏🙏🙏💞
consonant pronouciation begins 6:50
Thank you very much!
Very clear video, thanks for this.
I'm glad you found it useful.
Thank you for this gift
Thank you so much for your sharing
Guy. I just stopped this at your apology for pronunciation. If you wanna see how unprofessional i usually am when tired you can check my history im sure but the history is only a reflection of the content. Pali is lost with time to an extent. There is nothing to apologize for. It is great that you are sharing this and im trying to study myself here for the pali canon as the english - while suiting for years - feels lacking after some time. It is literally impossible to find anyone local so it is a solo practice except for those willing to take the time to share. I dont really care your motivation. Much better than cat or gaming videos. I hope youre continuingthis. Good day
Could you make it with the charater
What about the stress placement? Cannot find definite information in Pali primers.
Yes I agree this is a poorly covered area; and I have to add I'm no expert.
I think there are two things to be aware of.
First is heavy & light syllables. Heavy syllables are emphasized.
A syllable in Pāli is either Consonant (C) + a vowel (v) or a vowel alone.
C+v, v
- Ānandajoti has a syllable guide: www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/Textual-Studies/Grammar/The-Parsing-of-Pali.htm
A syllable is heavy if it contains:
long vowel [ā, ī, ū, e, o],
[a, i, u] + ṃ,
or [a, i, u] + CC
- You'll find more information in articles on Prosody (Pāli poetry).
Secondly, there is stress.
Stress is placed on the last heavy syllable of the word, but not the last syllable itself.
I hope that helps.
@@LearnPali thank you for the explanation
You're welcome. I've also placed a brief article about syllables and stress on my blog. palistudies.blogspot.com/2019/10/syllables-and-stress.html
Coud you please suggest any pali grammar book for beginner
Lily de Silva’s the" Pali Primer" is possibly the easiest. This is a simple, if rudimentary introduction to the language. Or Narada Thera's "An Elementary Pali Course" is a complete beginners course in Pali that moves a bit faster than de Silva's Primer. Both are available free online. And you can find links on my Pali Language resource page:
palistudies.blogspot.com/p/resources.html
And I also have a post on starting to learn Pali:
palistudies.blogspot.com/2018/05/learn-pali-where-to-begin.html
Hopefully this will get you off to a good start.
thanks
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Hi admin,
could you please introduce me a tool/website/app (ios app) that could pronounce a pali word when we type it or press it in a sentence?
Thank you so much!
Sorry, I don't know of any such app. It would be very useful though. The nearest thing I can think of is SuttaCentral Voice, where you can type a pāli word, and it will read out various sutta references including that word...
voice.suttacentral.net/scv/index.html#/sutta
@@LearnPali Wow thank you! I just started Pali 101 with BSO today. This is an amazing resource!!
@Learn Pali
Could you please help how to write Namo Buddhay in pali language
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Hi, my native is chinese language. I don't understand well about dental and retroflex. you said english has no counterpart with dental, and english t and d are very close to retroflex. If retroflex is close to t, why they put a dot underneath?
First, I'm not an expert. But, retroflex means "bent back"; true retroflex consonants are pronounced with the tongue fully curled back so that articulation involves the underside of the tongue tip on the roof of the mouth. Whereas the dental involves touching the tongue to the tooth ridge. I think in English, the t sound is more retroflex than the d sound. See the Pali alphabet playlist for a wider selection:
ruclips.net/video/m7qFn3tUX-g/видео.html
Try pronouncing these and remember where your tongue is
Retroflexes: zh, ch, sh, r
Dentals: z, c, s
See dear, all Indian languages, whether Dravidian, indo-aryan languages have preserved this retroflex distinction, except interestingly, Sino-tibetan languages, which have zh, nga that are not used by the aforesaid languages. The retroflexes can be pronounced very easily, u just need to place ur tongue just above the teeth area, the big rounded portion and it's aspirated.
Breathe in air, touch the portion of that aforesaid area of ur ridge with ur tongue and try to produce a sound by leaving or exhaling air at the same time. Try to pronounce( t, th, d, dh, n) like that, there is no English equivalent sadly.
If u use the tongue and touching the teeth to pronounce them, then they would be dental consonants( t, th, d, dh, n) and easily found in English like "tits" for dental t, " thor" for th, "devour" for d and so on .
Retroflex consonants are rarely found in world linguists, but so are the tones in Sinitic languages. If u try to get it the way I said, it's easier. small children in India, usually have problems in pronouncing retroflex sounds at first, but eventually they get it. If u are having problems, Do write in the comments, I can send some links, whereas it's easy.
Mostly correct, though unfortunately the "jh" is mispronounced. It should be pronounced as d͡ʒʰ, like an English "j" (or like dg in the word "edge"), only aspirated. The Glasgow tutorial you posted pronounces it as ʒ like the Russian Ж or Farsi ژ or like the "s" in the English word "pleasure." I'm not sure why. Regarding the "v," ideally it should be pronounced as labiodental approximant ʋ (which is a unique sound not found in English), but honestly it's easiest just to pronounce it as English v when between two vowels and as English w when in a conjunct consonant.
Thank you for the feedback. In my playlist on the alphabet, I've tried to include as many sources as possible as I myself am terrible at pronunciation.
Burmese accent on the alphabets
c and ch use "s" sound (as in "say")
j and jh use "z" sound (as in "zero")
v is pronounced as "w" sound
s is pronounced as "soft t" sound (as in thing)
o is pronounced as "aw" as in "law"
There are some rules on pronouncing the words that look strange in Burmese characters.
Examples with approximate pronunciations
Manussaloka (Ma- note* - ta - law- ka)
Buddha (boat- da)
Metta (mit- ta)
Jhāna (zaa- na)
Aññamañña (in- nya- min- nya)
Maṅgala (min- ga- la)
Tāvatiṃsa (Taa- wa- tame*- ta)
Cakkhu (Sak- khu)
Extra fact: Pāli words (usually "burma-nized") are recognised as a type of nouns in Burmese grammar.
Thanks. 👍
right,I am burmese and vowel are same as ours and We call budhha as Boat Da
Can u show me why sankri pallava pali spell the same like this .or maybe all from brahmi.
where do you learn pali and for what?
I'm a self taught student, mainly learning from books. I've traveled a lot in India, studying both Buddhism & Vedanta. During lock-down I thought learning Pali might be fun... I struggled with the technical language and was quite shocked how little resource there was for the absolute beginner, especially on RUclips. So I decided to document my own learning experience, and give explanations as I went along.
Are there no s, sha, sha in pali ?
The 3 Sanskrit sibilants s, ṣ, ś all change to a plain dental s in Pali. This appears at the end of the semi-vowels listed at 01:17 in the tutorial.
I have heard that you love to speak Pali language. I do..
So that I would love to have a chance to conversate with you in Pali language.
How can I contact with you?
Thanks.
I'm sorry I can not converse in Pali. I'm just a student of the grammar.
It's really similar to my mother tongue Malayalam
Pali is fast langveg in the world she's col mothar pali all languages jay bhim namo buddhay 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈✌️💙🙏
Afro asiatic crying in corner after reading your comment, a regular amberdkarite, who doesn't know science
Maybe you can help with Pali C - so Cakkhu (chak-ku meaning eye) sounds like rich at beginning of word. But why is there loads of doubles c in Pali - Example; Anicca, (A-ni-cha meaning impermanence) spelt with 2 c? but we pronounce it as A-ni-cha? why is there a double c when there is no need for it? thinking about it, anytime you see cc is just pronounced like Ch?
OK, first, I'm no expert on this - I'm just a student like yourself. But I can shed some light on a few things here.
First, each letter in Pāli only has one sound, so 'c' in Pāli is always pronounced 'ch' as in chat. The 'k' fills in the English 'c' sound as in cat. The double 'cc' just makes the 'ch' sound longer.
Many double consonants in Pāli, come from a Vedic origin. For instance, anicca (a+nicca) is based on the Vedic, 'a-nitya', The 'ty' consonant cluster isn't allowed in Pāli and so under goes a phonological transformation to become 'cc'. According to Bhante Ānandajoti's website: Any dental or retroflex stop or nasal followed by y converts to the corresponding palatal sound, and the y assimilates to this new consonant, eg.
satya → sacya → sacca
For more see:
www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/Textual-Studies/Grammar/Transforming-Sanskrit-into-Pali.htm
Hope that helps.
@@LearnPali wow!!! Thanks so much for this, makes complete sense!! Also , fyi, there is a useful place called forvo, its a pronunciation page from native speakers and they added Pali to it few years ago. I have added quite a few words myself although I know some are a bit shaky! Someone, perhaps monk, comes on now and then thumbs my pronunciation down and records correct pronunciation and you can also communicate on there ! There Is only a few of us pronuncing words so dictionary is small but growing. The phone app is awesome. Hope this will also benefit you :-)
It’s “A-nit-cha”
อนิจฺจา
Learn Pali Thanks so much for this 👍 I have been reading a book introducing Buddhism which give both the Sanskrit and Pāli for various words and I’ve noticed this changing into double letters of parts of Sanskrit words, when being transferred into Pāli - and have been wondering what is going on here. Bob
@@LearnPali hi dear, I believe the CCA sound that he is referring to, is formed by the combination of 2 ca, not one. It is very common in indian languages, I believe this is called "gemination of consonants" in linguistics. So, if u want to write anicca, let's break it this way,
Anicca- A( the first vowel) + ni( dental n with short i vowel ) + cca( ca+ca; 2 times; try to pronounce the letter by combining 2 ca's together). So, if I write this in Devanagari script, it would be like this as the order I specified earlier-
Anicca- अ+नि+च्च ( the character for A is अ, dental n is न and for ca, it's च. Since it's geminated by combining 2 ca's , the letter is also written by combining 2 ca's together) Usually, the abugidas that we use, we tend to write the geminated consonants by joining one half of the consonant with the same consonant.
There are 2 types of Abugidas in India, Northern Brahmi and Southern Brahmi. The northern type is exactly like the aforesaid, while the Southern Brahmic Abugidas like Sinhalese, burmese and Thai tend to use special characters, that u have to learn while learning the script.
Only difference between the ipa and table of elements is that the ipa is by far more useful
It's more like the pronunciation of bengali alphabets
Pali is mother of Bangla
Pali is mother of all the languages in India including sanskrit.
@@amit.k4012 no that is myth. Pali was just a modified *Magadhi prakrit* for easy pronounciation for all d people
@@rtam7097 not modified... it was the local language of the lay people that time. It came to be knows as Magadhi during Ashoka's reign when Pataliputra of Magadha became the capital. The language used during Vedas and Upanishads was known as chhandas.
@@amit.k4012 u should know that d pali language is not d oldest language in India it was a modified *Magadhi Prakrit* for easy pronounciation for every people in dis world nd it was done intentionally for d pronounciation ease for masses. Like *Nibbana,Sabba,Piya,Dhamma,Chakka,Kamma,Khetra,Bhikkhu,Tassa,Bhagga* r intentionally made less tongue twisting or easy pronouncable from d original *Nirvana,Sarva,Priya,Dharma,Chakra,Karma,Khsetra,Bhikshu,Tasya,Bhagya* as it is d language of Buddhism nd has to reach masses be it from India or foreigners. Except in pali all d other prakrits used quite same like d original words. Nd Prakrit was not a single language but many types like *Sauraseni prakrit,Magadhi Prakrit(ancestor of **_Odia,Bengali,Maithili,Assamese,Sylethi_** ),Gandhari Prakrit,Maharastri Prakrit,Ardhamagadhi Prakrit,Elu Prakrit(ancestor of **_Sinhala,Dvihehi_** )* nd classical sanskrit is d closest to *Sauraseni Prakrit* (ancestor of Hindi belt,Punjabi nd other related north Indian languages) or also u can say a dialect. *Gandhari Prakrit* (ancestor of Dardic languages like Kashmiris,Shina) was d only prakrit which retained many old indo-aryan features which lost in other prakrits. Like for eg. it retained d word Rta(truth) which was replaced with Satya(truth) in other prakrits. Svasr(Sister) which was replaced by Bhagini(sister) in other prakrits.
I'm not going to be able to remember all of this. Lol How am I supposed to do that? Is there some kind of trick to it?
There’s a language with some of these letters: māõor/pāølřïį.
They are: j,jh,g,gh,a,ā,i,ī,u and ū
Must whatch south india kerala (malayalam )
Kannada also the same
Literally every indiac language
When Pāli uses different scripts, is the grammar the same, just transliterated ? Bob
Yes, the grammar is unchanged. I known there are some differences between accents - Sri Lankan Pali vs Thai vs Burmese - but I think the grammar is pretty much the same.
I am Burmese and We dont say Buddha but as Boatdha
Labiodental consonants
It's like Hindi and Sanskrit
The aspirated retroflex, dentals and labials are barely distinguishable from their unaspirated counterparts in the audio.
Yes, you're right, and that's why I've included a visual so you can see how the mouth is working. For other alphabet intros see the playlist: ruclips.net/video/m7qFn3tUX-g/видео.html
อะ (ah) ว(Visarga วิสรฺค, Visagga วิสคฺค)
Velar consonants
I like video pronunciation Pali.
I don't reach in Seeing Speech Lab :
www.seeingspeech.ac.uk/ipa-ch...
You can help me link dowload pronunciation Pali Language
Thank you
Try the playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLf6RXFuRpeLTjutJCvVRTZrMl-DFV9Yr3
อนุสฺวาร
Bilabial consonants
ญ
Nasal vowel
Dhamma from sanskrit Dharma.
Glottal consonants
Great presentation but it would be better if the actual pronunciation was done by a native hindu speaker. It would be much closer and more accurate that way.
Osm sir jay bhim namo buddhay 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈💙🙏
alaphabet.
Nasalization
ฐ
Glottis
Some irony that you say haitch for aitch...? That's an English error, surely
LoL, Yes!
When you're in an Indian mindset, you'll do such mistakes! Expecting logics in English, like that of their language. I mean, why there's no "Ha" sound in "aitch", if there's "ka" sound in "Kay" and so on!
It's almost the same as burmese language.
Actually ... i kinda have to ask if some of those are synth voices. Was digging to subscribe when it started playing. If so, disregard my thanks and please. Get off the internet. You are simply disrespecting the language at that point and now i do know your reason. To anyone that cares for real, bodhisattvayana will be up eventually. Not thw hippy site but the real one. Theravada focus but woth bodhisattva info that doesnt rag on theravada. A little twist yes. Steing theravada focus including pali. Bodhisattva discussion. Like it or not. Wont share the full url but if youre interested keep an eye. I am but one person. I am both learning and creating while helping a family.
Dont listen to robots. Practice outloud yourself no matter how embarrassing it feels. Youll get it right trust me. Then listen to some monks chanting online and compare. It honestly is not that hard... i am listening over and over and i cannot match the voice to yours. I jave code for this. Ignore my rypos. I do not use auto correct and study when i first wake. Anyway, to keep with right livelihood oddly, i run my own IT business see. Doing onky nice things. Avoiding plagarism and laziness. Careful ai use for study but never to replace where humans should be.
Thinking back through the introduction,there are multiple red flags.
So people...
Readingthe Buddha's discourses- bikkhu bodhi.
DeSilva
Warder
Perniola
Geiger
All well known. All great. Readingand studying alone will teach youhow to speak it. If you do not have the time or claim as much then Pali is bot for you and that is the truth.
Atuff like this is for when defecating or robing. Not proper study.
Good day
As far as I remember the voices are from a standard IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) website, possibly from seeingspeech or wikipedia.
Khmer language
ក ខ គ ឃ ង
ច ឆ ជ ឈ ញ
ដ ឋ ឌ ឍ ណ
ត ថ ទ ធ ន
ប ផ ព ភ ម
យ រ ល វ ស ហ ឡ អ
Pali has evolved from Sanskrit only.
almost vanished pali language n alphabet from MAGAR
coz of hindu
Mental people pali is just a name It is pure tamil buddha was learned all things in tamil...
Tamil nationality is the worst nationality in the world
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