I was very into Bob Dylan during the key times - I'm old! During the late 50's and early sixties folk music was very popular. Pete Seeger, Woodie Guthrie, PPM, and others. There was a litany of protest songs at the time - dozens. Civil rights, war protest, etc. (check out "Eve of Destruction" Barry McGuire). Pete Seeger and others encouraged audience sing along with these protest songs and I still remember many of these songs from that experience. When you're a solo artist, as Bob was at the time, it's difficult personally because you have to supply all the energy leadership and momentum for the concert to succeed. Bob had a major shy streak (we all Knew that) and maybe that was what the movie was trying to show, not him being a jerk. So he put together his electric band to take the heat off himself (play rhythm for a chorus - take a musical break). This is understandable: however, his fellow folkies got upset with him because that move to electric broke the sing along format. Sing along was the common tool to get the message out. Pete Seeger discussed at the time (Understand I can't quote directly this was just the flap among the folk Scene people I knew and was) that Bob Dylan turned our active protest singing participants into passive lump who get wasted and zone out on loud music. [Note: Back in those they started putting the lyrics on the album jackets cause you not gonna hear it at the concert any more! Interestingly Pete had a band called the Weavers who he was able to share the spotlight with.]
@@JoeyScottMedia No - But he was on television a few times (black and white TV no video tape - lost forever - and Pete Seeger and the Weavers were on too) Bob was part of the New York scene. I was living in Chicago then and was more into the Earl of Old Town artists like John Prine or Steve Goodman - I was immersed enough to be aware of what was going on even though I was in high school at the time. I Went to lots of sing along style folk concerts and fests. Went to a party with 20 or 30 people (random) guitars broke out and all but a few there knew "Sad Eye Lady of The Low Lands" by heart. We were all into Dylan deep. Interestingly the same phenom I described above sort of happen to Joni Michell - Solo Artist - putting it all out heart and soul every night - went through fatigue and depression; and then started a band featuring some fabulous jazz musicians. The rest is history. (Old granpa stories - I enjoyed your review of the movie - you pointed out a few the movie makers may have got right and may have got wrong.)
Dylan was involved with the script and even wrote a line or two (uncredited). So, no, he wouldn’t and apparently doesn’t hate it. But that’s because he is and the movie is “A COMPLETE UNKNOWN”. Just when you think you know what he would think, he will prove you wrong. That’s Dylan.
Hey, props for covering this film. A few things: that's not how you pronounce Chalamet; it's Woody Guthrie, not Woody McGruffy; the apartment depicted was Bob's West 4th Street apartment, where he lived from 1961 to 1964. Also, they showed Bob Dylan constantly typing and writing, to the point where Joan Baez kicked him out. So, I'm not sure what you mean by 'they didn't show the creative process.' From all accounts, Bob was pretty distant and cold. I felt that they did a good job of showing his humanity when he visited Woody in the hospital. But I get what you're saying. At the end of the day, this is a movie where events are omitted and creative liberties are taken. Yes, the 'Judas' heckle happened in Manchester, but they added it here because it typified what people felt at the time. Albert Grossman probably didn't get into a fistfight at the Newport Folk Festival either, but it happened in the movie to highlight the moment's chaos. In a perfect world, three films that delve into every aspect of Dylan's career from 1962-1966 would be written, green-lit and financed by the studio to produce, but that's not how movies get made. Anyway, I did enjoy your video and will keep watching your channel.
Its my understanding that Mr dylan loved the script It was an open ending as it came to his transition 3 Parts in my mind would be a disaster There have been docs over the years I feel this captures enough When i was 14 In 68 In the uk he was a legend
Maybe brush up on the meaning of "lip sync." it's not used much anymore so probably most people might not be clear about what it is. it used to be used a lot, like on the Ed Sullivan show, he had all the big stars like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, but it became a question whether artists used lip syncing in the 60s, whereas it used to be always used, in the 50s, singers didn't sing live on TV very often. they played along with their record and they moved their mouths along wiht the lyrics. As the 60s progressed, lip syncing was used less and less because it was , it looked. fake, artists wanted to play live, they had to risk making mistakes but they also take that risk performing live, artists and producers stopped using lip syncing on TV at some point. i'm sure it's still used in some situations for some reasons but i haven't seen it in a really long time, and i watched it as it went away in the 60s. artists became more into authenticity, which was playing live. . There was no lip syncing in Like a Complete Unknown. i haven't seen the movie yet but i've heard it said in descriptions of the movie that they used no lip syncing and the actors used their own voices, the Dylan character, the Baez character and the Seeger character, actors did the vocals and i've seen clips, they sound great. Using his own singing voice has been given as one reason Timothee Chalamet may get an oscar nomination, the question is, when he's playing Dylan and he sings, is it believable. If it is, it will be known that not everyone can do that and it shows skill and artistry. It was considered to be to the movie's credit that they could make these characters believable without lip syncing.
I was very into Bob Dylan during the key times - I'm old! During the late 50's and early sixties folk music was very popular. Pete Seeger, Woodie Guthrie, PPM, and others. There was a litany of protest songs at the time - dozens. Civil rights, war protest, etc. (check out "Eve of Destruction" Barry McGuire). Pete Seeger and others encouraged audience sing along with these protest songs and I still remember many of these songs from that experience. When you're a solo artist, as Bob was at the time, it's difficult personally because you have to supply all the energy leadership and momentum for the concert to succeed. Bob had a major shy streak (we all Knew that) and maybe that was what the movie was trying to show, not him being a jerk. So he put together his electric band to take the heat off himself (play rhythm for a chorus - take a musical break). This is understandable: however, his fellow folkies got upset with him because that move to electric broke the sing along format. Sing along was the common tool to get the message out. Pete Seeger discussed at the time (Understand I can't quote directly this was just the flap among the folk Scene people I knew and was) that Bob Dylan turned our active protest singing participants into passive lump who get wasted and zone out on loud music. [Note: Back in those they started putting the lyrics on the album jackets cause you not gonna hear it at the concert any more! Interestingly Pete had a band called the Weavers who he was able to share the spotlight with.]
Great comment. Really great comment. Thank you for sharing this.
Are you saying you saw Dylan live in the 60s?
@@JoeyScottMedia No - But he was on television a few times (black and white TV no video tape - lost forever - and Pete Seeger and the Weavers were on too) Bob was part of the New York scene. I was living in Chicago then and was more into the Earl of Old Town artists like John Prine or Steve Goodman - I was immersed enough to be aware of what was going on even though I was in high school at the time. I Went to lots of sing along style folk concerts and fests. Went to a party with 20 or 30 people (random) guitars broke out and all but a few there knew "Sad Eye Lady of The Low Lands" by heart. We were all into Dylan deep. Interestingly the same phenom I described above sort of happen to Joni Michell - Solo Artist - putting it all out heart and soul every night - went through fatigue and depression; and then started a band featuring some fabulous jazz musicians. The rest is history. (Old granpa stories - I enjoyed your review of the movie - you pointed out a few the movie makers may have got right and may have got wrong.)
Dylan was involved with the script and even wrote a line or two (uncredited). So, no, he wouldn’t and apparently doesn’t hate it.
But that’s because he is and the movie is “A COMPLETE UNKNOWN”.
Just when you think you know what he would think, he will prove you wrong. That’s Dylan.
My college professor closed by saying the exact same thing after a 3 month class on his life
1:37 "I am not an expert"
I've read several books on Mr Dylan/Zimmerman. They can still be a Part 2. If I was Bob Dylan in the 60s I'd have 5 girlfriends.
Such a great cast would love a second movie
Part II: "The Amplifier Strikes Back"
Woody Maguthrie? Dude you need to do a Bob refresher course.
This is a stupid comment and shows a reflection of self judgement of which should be released.
@ okay.
@@JoeyScottMediadude just accept that you mispronounced the name and move on, no need to be bitter.
Hey, props for covering this film. A few things: that's not how you pronounce Chalamet; it's Woody Guthrie, not Woody McGruffy; the apartment depicted was Bob's West 4th Street apartment, where he lived from 1961 to 1964.
Also, they showed Bob Dylan constantly typing and writing, to the point where Joan Baez kicked him out. So, I'm not sure what you mean by 'they didn't show the creative process.'
From all accounts, Bob was pretty distant and cold. I felt that they did a good job of showing his humanity when he visited Woody in the hospital. But I get what you're saying.
At the end of the day, this is a movie where events are omitted and creative liberties are taken. Yes, the 'Judas' heckle happened in Manchester, but they added it here because it typified what people felt at the time. Albert Grossman probably didn't get into a fistfight at the Newport Folk Festival either, but it happened in the movie to highlight the moment's chaos. In a perfect world, three films that delve into every aspect of Dylan's career from 1962-1966 would be written, green-lit and financed by the studio to produce, but that's not how movies get made. Anyway, I did enjoy your video and will keep watching your channel.
I enjoyed this comment. Adding to the video. Thanks for being here
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Its my understanding that Mr dylan loved the script
It was an open ending as it came to his transition
3 Parts in my mind would be a disaster
There have been docs over the years
I feel this captures enough
When i was 14 In 68 In the uk he was a legend
Who’s Woody McGuffry 😂 but thanks for the review.
Don’t believe there was any lip synching from chalamett
Dude what are you talking about he did not lip sync any of those songs get your facts right
The lead actor sang the songs. They did use bob versions
Maybe brush up on the meaning of "lip sync."
it's not used much anymore so probably most people might not be clear about what it is. it used to be used a lot, like on the Ed Sullivan show, he had all the big stars like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, but it became a question whether artists used lip syncing in the 60s, whereas it used to be always used, in the 50s, singers didn't sing live on TV very often. they played along with their record and they moved their mouths along wiht the lyrics. As the 60s progressed, lip syncing was used less and less because it was , it looked. fake, artists wanted to play live, they had to risk making mistakes but they also take that risk performing live, artists and producers stopped using lip syncing on TV at some point. i'm sure it's still used in some situations for some reasons but i haven't seen it in a really long time, and i watched it as it went away in the 60s. artists became more into authenticity, which was playing live. .
There was no lip syncing in Like a Complete Unknown. i haven't seen the movie yet but i've heard it said in descriptions of the movie that they used no lip syncing and the actors used their own voices, the Dylan character, the Baez character and the Seeger character, actors did the vocals and i've seen clips, they sound great. Using his own singing voice has been given as one reason Timothee Chalamet may get an oscar nomination, the question is, when he's playing Dylan and he sings, is it believable. If it is, it will be known that not everyone can do that and it shows skill and artistry. It was considered to be to the movie's credit that they could make these characters believable without lip syncing.
Lipsynching? I don't think so. TC sang and played it all.
Yeah he sang the songs.
Bob Dylan approved the movie..so whatever YOU say....who cares ...????.
What is the point of your comment. Tell me something you love about the film or about his music.
lots of people care. apparently you care. are people criticizing the movie? you're criticizing people who comment on the movie?