I agree that properly welded connections are the best if done correctly as you stated about heat transfer, welding causes it badly and will induce rusting quicker than properly installed stainless band clamps, in my opinion as long as the pine tapers are running in the right direction (smaller feeding into larger diameter) then there shouldn't be any moisture trapped in the clamp joints. Again, this is just my opinion. I'm not as experienced as the host with exhaust but I do have over 30yrs as a dealer trained mechanic and started out installing exhaust for many years.
@@Fee.1 Lol Thank you for the offer but I am at the end of my career. And that part of my life that I want to sit on the back deck in the sun drinking a cold one and thinking about the poor bastards that still have to go to work every day. 🤣
@@midnightrider1854 so we team up, you give me some technical insights occasionally, you sit back and do your thing and collect your checks. Should basically never require a in person meeting unless I’m failing to foresee something. I can just ship you prototypes.
I put em on both ways. They make some really nice clamps now and if take the time to swell and fit the pipe,it comes in handy when you take a Y pipe off to remove a transmission and put it back on without welding and cutting
thanks for your question, with our weld together Kits that's why we recommend Painting the weld joints with BT53 Paint, this will eliminate that concern,
Personally, I like to put a clamp on each side of the muffler in 99-06 Silverado and Sierras and weld everything else. The reason being, if for whatever reason the exhaust needs to come out, it can be dismantled easily in 3 main pieces.
I got away with using exhaust clamps a lot of times, I hacked my exhaust up one time clamped it together with scrap and had to weld the clamp to fill the gap 🤣
That's called a stupid tax.... You gotta be stupid to live there where you have to pay tens of thousands extra because of rust damage. Here in WA? 30 years 300,000 not one speck of rust. Also nearly zero UV damage. We throw away perfect body cars cuz we're rich, and care about the environment soo much
If you're talking the old guillotine style clamps, then yeah don't use those. But modern band clamps are awesome and actually let you take stuff apart later. I tend to switch out mufflers after awhile and band clamps make that super easy.
And heaven forbid you want to take the exhaust out for any reason, like so you can reuse it out after an engine/transmission swap. The factory isn't doing what's better, they're just doing what makes them more money on repairs, and is cheaper going down the assembly line. Hard to admit in the 21st century, but sometimes the old timers knew what they were doing.
A friend with a 62 Buick had put the points in wrong. Cranked and pumped the gas for so long. I spotted the issue and told him to try it. Kaboom. A massive explosion under the car. My pants legs were flapping like i was riding a motorcycle. I laid down and looked under the car and started laughing. I was laughing so hard my ribs were cramping. Yes i was rolling on the ground laughing my azz off. He got out of the car and started kicking me. Stop laughing at my car. I'm not laughing at your car. I am laughing at how you are ever going to explain that to midas for a 2 hour old muffler in for a warranty. The muffler skin was laying flat on the ground. That muffler skin stayed nailed to the midas shop wall for the next 20 years.
Last longer why is that you didn’t explain why. I put my exhaust on my Escalade in 10 minutes whit clamp on never had a problem in fact now with everything welded if there’s a problem with any part now you need to replace the hole thing or cut the part off instead of two bolts an it pops out
I've never had a problem out of them either everybody always complains about exhaust u-bolts they'll never hold it will fall off but they never complain about the ones that hold their axle on.
My jeep has a clamped muffler since 2001. Muffler is rusted out but clamps are holding tight… nothing wrong with owners clamping things… exhaust shops on the other hand need to weld. Thats what you’re getting paid to do.
So you warranty all of your exhaust systems for 2 or 300,000 miles against rust??? You must do a lot of warranty work because those vertical muffflers are going to rot out way before that.
Thank you for your question, With all new Emission systems having a higher operation temperature vs older 80-90's vehicles you wont every have a problem with.
So you're implying that a welded muffler will last much longer than a clamped muffler? I can absolutely attest from personal experience that is 100% not true.
Never would it last that long here in the northeast,all the treatment put on the roads in the winter time. That slurry stuff they put down is awful,if you don't wash it off after every winter it eats metal like nothing. Stuff literally sticks to everything and leaves a coating on everything.
thank you for your question, so on a Hemi 5.7L, for example, we gain 30 TQ and 26 HP with a 3.7 MPG increase with our MPI Exhaust System. Just exhaust no tuning,
Garbage shops weld everything, now its not serviceable or removable for other work to be done. Always pie cut and use flat band clamps. And , no flowmaster will last that long, they rot out, especially if theyre the knock offs
Howdy, thanks you so much for you question. with our all MPI Mufflers we have never had that problem, all products are also backed with a 3 Year Warranty.
howdy, thanks for your question, the axle doesn't see the same hot and cold cycles the exhaust does. Exhaust temperature reaches around 1250 Degrees at the hottest.
The install looks great! Please don't say those are Garbage Master Flow Junkster mufflers. If so, why would you drive something that sounds like your Grandpa farting? Keep up the pro looking install, just dump the FM brand!
Thank you for your Questions, We have a good amount of customers who have reached those numbers, and we understand it is an uncommon number to hear, buts it's very common for an MPI Exhaust System,
2 200,000/300,000 miles …? Do you have any proof of this? Or is that just subjective guess.? Have you actually had any last that long as what I’m asking? Do you know the old saying… Trust, but verify…!
I put new dual exhaust with glass packs on my square body chevy and I clamped it. It's been sounding awesome for over 8 years now
Welded connections are best, less heat transfer means less moisture, means less rust
I agree that properly welded connections are the best if done correctly as you stated about heat transfer, welding causes it badly and will induce rusting quicker than properly installed stainless band clamps, in my opinion as long as the pine tapers are running in the right direction (smaller feeding into larger diameter) then there shouldn't be any moisture trapped in the clamp joints. Again, this is just my opinion. I'm not as experienced as the host with exhaust but I do have over 30yrs as a dealer trained mechanic and started out installing exhaust for many years.
@@midnightrider1854want to start an exhaust company ? Looking for someone that knows a few things
@@Fee.1 Lol Thank you for the offer but I am at the end of my career. And that part of my life that I want to sit on the back deck in the sun drinking a cold one and thinking about the poor bastards that still have to go to work every day. 🤣
@@midnightrider1854 so we team up, you give me some technical insights occasionally, you sit back and do your thing and collect your checks. Should basically never require a in person meeting unless I’m failing to foresee something. I can just ship you prototypes.
I put em on both ways. They make some really nice clamps now and if take the time to swell and fit the pipe,it comes in handy when you take a Y pipe off to remove a transmission and put it back on without welding and cutting
I've never seen dual muffs mounted vertical like this, not to mention how clean the rest of the job is.
A lot of pickups I’ve seen have the oem muffler mounted like that. It’s just doubled up
The places where the pipe is welded always seems to be the first spot to rust.
thanks for your question, with our weld together Kits that's why we recommend Painting the weld joints with BT53 Paint, this will eliminate that concern,
Personally, I like to put a clamp on each side of the muffler in 99-06 Silverado and Sierras and weld everything else. The reason being, if for whatever reason the exhaust needs to come out, it can be dismantled easily in 3 main pieces.
thank you for your question, we have systems in a clamp-together option for that specific reason,
I do 3 bolt flanges on the ones I do so i can remove the transmission withoug having to cut the exhaust off. Keeps it serviceable
Sounds like a time I would’ve loved to live in
Good job! maybe some of us youngsters will pick up on it, I know I will.
This is beautiful!
In Santa Rosa CA we have a muffler shop welded exhaust system back in 1955 .
2017 Ram 1500 stock exhaust is band clamps, for the muffler.
I got away with using exhaust clamps a lot of times, I hacked my exhaust up one time clamped it together with scrap and had to weld the clamp to fill the gap 🤣
Say the 200k miles again to the people at home in Michigan.
😂😂😂 I was thinking the same for us Illinois people too.. our states get salt put on the roads
That's called a stupid tax.... You gotta be stupid to live there where you have to pay tens of thousands extra because of rust damage. Here in WA? 30 years 300,000 not one speck of rust. Also nearly zero UV damage. We throw away perfect body cars cuz we're rich, and care about the environment soo much
@@trekinseattle Up north from you in BC, we also have basically no rust on our vehicles. Saskatchewan is a different story lol.
@@trekinseattleYeah because its just so easy for anyone to get up and move. Not like 40% of Americans couldnt afford a sudden $400 expense 🙄
New York here too
Boy i remember i had a 66 Galaxie 427 duel.quads 4 speed 456 gears. With Cherry bombs off the collectors. Loud loud. Back in the 70s
O seriously!!! good luck. if any engine makes it but a diesel now a days makes it more then 200.000 miles . is a serious miracle !
If you're talking the old guillotine style clamps, then yeah don't use those. But modern band clamps are awesome and actually let you take stuff apart later. I tend to switch out mufflers after awhile and band clamps make that super easy.
God forbid you want to change the sound up out of that miraculous 200-300k mile exhaust system though!
They did cut the old exhaust out. Couldn’t they just cut it out again?
Can I weld any muffler vertically ?
What is that box for my truck doesn’t have one?
200k huh. Ever been to Minnesota
Absolutely ✅ works in all climates, we have a 3 year warranty also
You're putting 200k miles in 3 years, lol. I sincerely hope that's 304 stainless steel, otherwise she's coming off in the rust belt
And heaven forbid you want to take the exhaust out for any reason, like so you can reuse it out after an engine/transmission swap. The factory isn't doing what's better, they're just doing what makes them more money on repairs, and is cheaper going down the assembly line. Hard to admit in the 21st century, but sometimes the old timers knew what they were doing.
A friend with a 62 Buick had put the points in wrong. Cranked and pumped the gas for so long. I spotted the issue and told him to try it. Kaboom. A massive explosion under the car. My pants legs were flapping like i was riding a motorcycle. I laid down and looked under the car and started laughing. I was laughing so hard my ribs were cramping. Yes i was rolling on the ground laughing my azz off. He got out of the car and started kicking me. Stop laughing at my car. I'm not laughing at your car. I am laughing at how you are ever going to explain that to midas for a 2 hour old muffler in for a warranty. The muffler skin was laying flat on the ground. That muffler skin stayed nailed to the midas shop wall for the next 20 years.
What did y'all tell Midas that happen to the muffler
I have a 69 torino. Cherry Boomb since 1977 still on there. Blaa black sure been a long year
Do you install full stainless exhaust system?
Last longer why is that you didn’t explain why. I put my exhaust on my Escalade in 10 minutes whit clamp on never had a problem in fact now with everything welded if there’s a problem with any part now you need to replace the hole thing or cut the part off instead of two bolts an it pops out
Was the pipe work done in house?.
yes, this is our MPI Exhaust Kit this specific truck was a 5.3L Chevy
You need struts on your garage door sections..
Steer clear of the Kmart specials on auto repairs
Truth
What about the cross over pipe
Bring on the stash!
I got a jon boat from monkeywards title is from the 70s.....thing still hits the lake every summer .joker is heavy buy built to last
Man I put on 1 years at Meineke in the early 90s for &19.95.
I never had a problem with a clamp
I've never had a problem out of them either everybody always complains about exhaust u-bolts they'll never hold it will fall off but they never complain about the ones that hold their axle on.
Mine is clamped and cobbled. And it's going strong at two hundred and forty seven thousand 😮
I got over 200K before the muffler went on my Pontiac. Then I had a shop weld on a Flow Master to the stock pipe.
In my experience were the muffler is welded will be the first to fail! I will never have another muffler welded on. Exhaust pipe is different
I live in Arkansas and few people have mufflers, or they are almost all chopped off or dragging the ground. Mostly going to and from meth houses.
If it got 200 300k miles then i wouldnt need to be repairing it with ubolts and hose clamps now would I? Factory doesnt mean right
Up north you can't weld the exhaust, you have to clamp it because it'll rust if you weld it
Agreed, unless it's 304 ss. It will rust and fall off faster than being clamped
@krislink1761 my dad grew up up north that's the only reason that I know that.
the reason that happens is you are using the wrong type stick mate. It happens on stainless if you use just Argon. You need some helium in there
@bigduphusaj162 even if it's the wrong stick, it' won't pass state inspection.
@@bigduphusaj162 as a 20 year welder fabricator, don't give anymore welding advice bud
I got clamps on my 70 Lemans older than you are. 😂
Back in the old days of Muffler of the pipe the clam all came to maybe $10 today you're looking at $1,000 it better last a long time
My jeep has a clamped muffler since 2001. Muffler is rusted out but clamps are holding tight… nothing wrong with owners clamping things… exhaust shops on the other hand need to weld. Thats what you’re getting paid to do.
So you warranty all of your exhaust systems for 2 or 300,000 miles against rust??? You must do a lot of warranty work because those vertical muffflers are going to rot out way before that.
Thank you for your question, With all new Emission systems having a higher operation temperature vs older 80-90's vehicles you wont every have a problem with.
I just use clamps cause I’m too lazy to get out the welder
Clamps👍
Everybody knows that we clamp in order to do a simple upgrade not having to take it in. You can do that in your yard!
The materials is probably a bigger reason than weld vs clamps. Old days everything rusted out and fell off.
So you're implying that a welded muffler will last much longer than a clamped muffler? I can absolutely attest from personal experience that is 100% not true.
Never would it last that long here in the northeast,all the treatment put on the roads in the winter time. That slurry stuff they put down is awful,if you don't wash it off after every winter it eats metal like nothing. Stuff literally sticks to everything and leaves a coating on everything.
Thank you for your question, we have many systems with those numbers in that area,
I'm going to make an appointment at Kmart quality work 559 get er done😅😅
Factory exhaust is not welded there clamped
If it’s 400 series stainless you’ll get that many years! But in the rust belt maybe 10 yrs
Dude this guy looks like Steve Irwin wtf 😱
How are you going to get 300k out of that exhaust system when that car doesn't have 300k left in it .
Factory exhaust is the best....
thank you for your question, so on a Hemi 5.7L, for example, we gain 30 TQ and 26 HP with a 3.7 MPG increase with our MPI Exhaust System. Just exhaust no tuning,
Good luck with 300,000 out of new shit
That's all great if its stainless, but if you live in the rust belt, that system will NOT last no 2 or 300,000 miles! Welded or clamped. Guaranteed!
VW Audi uses clamps OEM
What about a car that will last that long
Not in Michigan
Yup I actually remember when Kmart used to do that.
Stainless maybe
It worked better and longer than you think kid
Garbage shops weld everything, now its not serviceable or removable for other work to be done. Always pie cut and use flat band clamps. And , no flowmaster will last that long, they rot out, especially if theyre the knock offs
Howdy, with all our MPI Exhasut Technologies Series kits they will last that long,
Those two mufflers side by side like that are gonna catch and hold so much crap and rot out in a year or two
Howdy, thanks you so much for you question. with our all MPI Mufflers we have never had that problem, all products are also backed with a 3 Year Warranty.
Just to let people know if AU bolt cannot hold your exhaust how come you can hold your axle on?
howdy, thanks for your question, the axle doesn't see the same hot and cold cycles the exhaust does. Exhaust temperature reaches around 1250 Degrees at the hottest.
Ahh what exhaust shop don't weld exhaust pipes...
The hole in the muffler after a year makes it sound racy
That’s not a cheap auto zone made in india muffler out of old 55 gallon drums…
My dad would never buy a chevy ever!
The install looks great! Please don't say those are Garbage Master Flow Junkster mufflers. If so, why would you drive something that sounds like your Grandpa farting? Keep up the pro looking install, just dump the FM brand!
Flow Masters awful😂any of that sounds like shit. Thrush Turbo's❤ I work in a muffler shop and this is how we configure them too.😮
unless that's stainless steel. ain't no way you'll get over 200000miles.
How much have you had to drink tonight?
Looks stainless.
not as a daily in the rust belt
Hangs so low. You should tie some rolor skates on it
2-300k miles huh? And it'll cost ya a months pay to get it
Montgomery wards auto center,,,,,it was more like $59ask me how i know
Just wait you will have problems with welding those Mufflers together
thanks for your question, when welded together they will last the entire life the the vehicle
80.000
But you won't get two or three hundred thousand out of the truck....
American Crocodile Dundee
Join the 20th century? I think you're of by 100 years, join the 21st century.
Welding then is all good till you have to change the cat
2 or 300k really. Everything sounded good till you said that bs
Thank you for your Questions, We have a good amount of customers who have reached those numbers, and we understand it is an uncommon number to hear, buts it's very common for an MPI Exhaust System,
Who cares what you do or how you do it you say
Sorry pal , but I can't agree with you .
Factorys have always OEM welded them only shitty lil shops use clamp
2 200,000/300,000 miles …? Do you have any proof of this? Or is that just subjective guess.?
Have you actually had any last that long as what I’m asking?
Do you know the old saying… Trust, but verify…!
Yes many, one that we use almost everyday is 20 year and 380,000 mile✅
@@boggindeepfuggum6916 probably not in the rust belt
My issue is every welded exhaust i’ve seen is full of boogers and splattered everywhere
Not in the salt 3 years