Why Station Wagons Are More Popular In Europe Than America
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- The station wagon was once a fixture of American family life. These days, however, it has nearly vanished from American roads and it shows in the tiny number of wagons sold every year. In the United States, station wagons represent only 1.4% of all new car sales. In many European countries, sales are several times that.
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Why Station Wagons Are More Popular In Europe Than America
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-You want to buy a wagon?
- No I don't think I do
- What if I make it handle worse and charge you more for it?
- YES!
And make the gas milage worse
Common sense is not that common.
Comment is gold
And make it roll over from time to time 🤣
@@Edwinbraun20 I did actually roll a car once but it was one of those jeep wranglers. It was way too easy to do.
-Why station wagons are more popular in Europe than America?
-For some reason.
Thanks a lot, CNBC.
Because of reasons
Exactly.
"Because"
-NBC
Station wagons are more fuel efficient due to less wind drag by being CLOSER to the ground and better handling by lowering the CG. Sounds like a WINNER to me!
Fake financial news
Save you some time:
In europe:
Gas costs double, can’t afford it.
Streets are smaller, can’t fit suv.
We like to drive faster, suv’s are less stable.
We are taxed by engine size, can’t afford 5 liter V8’s that you need to make an suv fast enough.
However lots of people still buys suv's to use then only in cities becouse they think it's cool
Every time gas riches $3+ per gallons, most stupid people who bought pickup trucks just to move their asses to work, sell them for dirt cheap, because no one need this pile of junk.
Holy a gallon for 3 bucks?! Jeez I want to fill up my motorcycle in the us
„We like to drive faster“
Nice try buddy
I’ve heard that you guys have speed limits
@@kiemenkevin9624 They're more or less suggestions.
And so far the german autobahn is the only place on the planet with no legal speed limits.
Here in Sweden, it feels like wagons make up 70% of the cars on the road. We swedes even joke that we are the "wagon country". I've owned a Volvo V90, now I have a VW Passat GTE Hybrid. I love wagons. Even if it's just me and my wife in our household it's extremely practical to have a wagon. You don't need to be a family of 5 to make a wagon a viable option. During a road trip, we bought an inflatable bed and pushed down the seats and slept in the car. I'm 6.4 feet and she's 6 feet. We slept like babies with our legs stretched out all the way with no issues in the car on a parking lot by the forest.
i really wanted to buy one, but since im not in europe, a hard sell is always a concern..
I think the percentage is more 70% . i hardly see sedan cars
Most crossovers are actually wagons, just taller, with the higher seating position Americans love. Most are FWD, with highway tires, and have very little of the true SUV features people think they do when they buy them.
True plus they Look horrible
Crossovers don't have enough boot space
“Fat sedans” that’s what I call crossovers
Some people prefer a higher seat position because they have bad knees. Most common reason that I hear from those SUV owners is that they want to sit higher so that they see things better. I wonder what they can see better. Potholes?
em kay 2
A higher seating position lets them feel more substantial in traffic.
Short answer: gas is insanely expensive in Europe, but they still love utility. A wagon is a good balance between low gas costs and utility.
Or insanely cheap in the States.
@@jannapravnik1017 this is the correct answer. The US has a population that makes a lot of money and their gas is very cheap relative to the rest of the world (crazy subsidies for oil companies). Which means few actually care about their gas mileage
@@whatever5922 lmao no. A liter isnt 5 euro you lunatic. Where i am from a liter is about 1,69 euro.
@@whatever5922 $4 is high, in most US states gas is under $3 a gallon. Comifornia is a disaster so let's just ignore them
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv considering that a gallon is about 4 litres and a litre (at least in Germany) costs about 1.50€... Yeah, gas in the US is cheap af 😅
Edit: Oh, and also in Germany it's not even that expensive 💁♂️
I think wagons in the US would be in need of a major comeback since we are turning away from Sedans at an ever accelerating pace. I hope to see them making a resurgence.
And sedans are already dead in Europe. At least in this we're ahead of the curve.
@@rijjhb9467 Ahead of the curve? Are you implying that not ditching wagons for SUVs is a bad thing? Sedans are dead because they are useless next to liftback-sedans and wagons, for same footprint and same price with same or even better economy you get more of the useable car. Its americans that cucked themselves out of choice. And OP wants to have that choice to be back.
@@Kacpa2 back in the days people would buy sedans because of looks/status. A wagon was ugly and not really needed, unless you were a farmer, and not many people were (especially here in Europe were farmland is much less than in the US).
My old sedans had all the boot space I ever needed. Tipically, sedans had considerably larger boots than hatchbacks.
@@rijjhb9467 Yes but those sedans were gigantic, people didnt really need more out of their car than just that. Also no seatbwlts and bench seats in older ones meant 6 people could be in one car so no need for 3rd row unless family was bigger then wagon woth 3rd row made sense up to 8 people onboard. Here cars were never that big, we consider medium sized cars big most of the time.
And sedans/limousines are status symbols too. There is mo stigma about wagons tho. Its just more capable version tham sedan variant and if its for family or business car in a company, thats what people go for.
If more utilitarian vehicle is needed then usually panel vans like Mercedes sprinter are used or box trucks based on these in cab on frame variants, so pick ups are rather a tiny nieche.
As for sedans whennits a bit less about status and morw about looks people preffer liftbacks, they look exactly the same but have a rear hatch that opens with the rear glass and is the best combination of both wagon and sedan of someone doesnt need as muvh vertical space in the back, rear seats always fold, access is infinetly better than sedan and liftgate doesnt gate in away pretty much like trunk in sedan, unlike the hatch in suvs, hatchbacks or wagons to some extend(all requiring you to step a way to let it open, but liftbacks and sedans just open upwards and a but towards the front like a chest would.)
Sadly liftbacks are almost non existant on the market in us aswell. Exception being few cars like new Acura Integra and Porsche Panamera.
Back in the 90s there were even mkre affordable coupe liftbacks like Toyota Celica(had a traditional notchback coupe variant and convertible aswell), old Nissan 240sx, Acura Integra, Mitsubishi Eclipse(and its plymouth and dodge twins) and among more expensive Nissan Z, Mitsubishi 3000GT(Dodge stealth) and Supra.
Nowadays there is only revived bmw based Supra and Nissan Z.
Trend is that mostly the expensive cars survived and more commonly available cars went extinct.
Here's the real reason: "The US CAFE standards provided an advantage to minivans (and later SUVs) over station wagons, because... minivans and SUVs were classified as trucks in the United States, and therefore subject to less stringent fuel economy and emissions regulations. Station wagons remained popular in Europe and in locations where emissions and efficiency regulations did not distinguish between cars and light trucks."
Station wagon, crossover, SUV? They all have 4 doors, a roof rack, and the back opens up. They are all station wagons, but shhhh, don’t say that out loud.
Would be cool if we had some of the lower height mini vans in NA like they have in Asian countries, they are pretty awesome looking and have plenty of room.
They upsold us basically?
Rather countries that see minivans and SUV:s for what they are. Cars, not light trucks.
@@floofdoq2460precisely.
Wagons are underrated...
- Wagon Owner
Austen Peters Yea our family sold one last year they are super roomy inside and I love the boot being accessible within the car
Emilio Fernandez not to mention the ladies love seeing a man drive one lol
Same here. Owner of 2004 Subaru Outback
Brendan CPLG Nice, 2013 Subi myself
I love my TSX wagon! Rare, handles well and lots of cargo space.
A cowboy walks into a German car dealership and says:
- Audi
Yoan Mitov ok
Audi'ho
Good one
for the same price you can get a tesla
You get a chuckle from me
I love wagons. Currently restoring a 1993 Honda Accord wagon that I'll never get rid of. Next will be a 1993-1997 Toyota Corolla wagon. Don't care what anyone says about them negatively. Many Honda and Toyota models of the 90's were some of the best engineered and best built cars ever made from a quality standpoint.
Subarus and their AWD are everywhere here in the Reno Tahoe area. Great on icy snowy road. Not a hard sell. Super safe cars and good on gas compared to 4x4 trucks.
They are the sole seller of wagons. Americans just associated them with large vehicles AWD and Snow.
@@100M2B they rebranded a few years ago to not calling it a wagon in the US anymore and it doesn't resemble a wagon anymore either. It's closer to a crossover/SUV now. I have an older outback and it's a lifted wagon lol
Same. They're popular in mo
However, Subaru will only sell their vehicles if you can prove that you are a hairy legged lesbian.
@@100M2B I love my SB Outback! Great AWD capabilities whether the streets are flooded or driving in snow.
We went to Germany and their were station wagons all over the Autobahn doing 120+ MPH.
@Che Garcia Yes they went after me with their station wagon Polizei cars.
Ya but in 'Merica speed limit is 70 mph. They can't drive lol
That is why wagons in Germany! Autobahn!!! No speed limit! SUVs are totally unsafe over 200km/h but wagons are WIDE, LOW and FAST!!!
I'm in love with my 190hp audi a4, but I understand a 200kg/190cm American simply could not come off my vehicle once inside. My cx is 0.26, Americans likes hummer car truck types with a cx of a trump wall
My B5.5 Estare is a German autobahn design built completely at the Wolfsburg factory. Back when we still got real German cars in the US. She's 16 years old now and IRREPLACEABLE. 200K and still going strong! Nothing will EVER drive like this in the US again.
My usual speed is 80, but for fun, she purrs at 90-100.
120 is easy to reach, but there, she feels a bit fast on our roads.
Because people are mindless trend followers and buy 7 seater SUVs for a family of 3.
That's right. My dad once had 7 seater SUV because of suggestion from my aunt for bring many people, and the third row only used once per year. My dad sold it because that SUV has crap quality.
After that, we only drive 5 seats vehicles. We had a pickup truck (the crew/double cab variant, which can bring up to 5 people) because my dad has hobby to ride dirtbike and then switched to hatchback because the gas price is rising and he retired at dirtbike activity.
Pärtially agree.
It's funny to see how crossovers objectively lose to wagon counterparts.
Crossovers have worse onroad handling, same offroad capability (or even worse if comparing to Subaru Outback), almost never used tiny third row seats and all this at higher cost.
Actually, wagon or estate cars look cool, especially those from German and Sweden brands.
People buy what they can or what they want
And every single one accessing that back row is a pain requiring the middle seat to be folded down. That's fine if you have a few extra passengers, but if you actually need to haul 7 every day a passenger van is more convenient
Typical American excessive...things they don’t need or use.
*Sees a wagon*
-Eew so disgusting I'd never drive something like that!
*Car maker jacks it up to become an SUV*
-Take my money!
That's how Subaru became a successful company
Loved my Focus Wagon ! My go kart fit in it perfectly after I took front bumper off of it! Also made the perfect bed for sleeping at the track.
@@avinashtyagi2 so the reasonable people (that need more loading space), who want a streamlined silhouette that allows for good mileage - are found in the 1.2 % that buy station wagons in the U.S. Which happens to be offered by a Japanese company.
Or the 30 % in Sweden (fun fact the Swedes likely actually NEED that larger loading space. And they want a stable car for driving during winter or rain. Likely now with a 4 WD drive. Swedes and Norwegeians are REALLY into outdoor activities. But not offroad. But the modern city SUV are not suited for offroad anyway, I would rent that if I need that once per year.
Stations wagons share the platform with the smaler vehicles, they do not need much more gas, so they make for good family cars, and accomodate the weekend trips or the trips to get DIY purchases.
I don't get how a sedan with added space at the back for seats/storage is considered ugly. but a bulbous, uninspired nugget of a car is considered rugged and appealing.
Cant lie, it looks better.
Answer: In Germany you are allowed to drive as fast as you can on the Autobahn, so most of us don't want a bulky SUV but rather a sporty car which still has plenty of room!
Not on all Parts of the Autobahn.
Many are restricted.
A wagon use less fuel than a SUV due to aerodynamic flow. With a difference of 3%!
marjoz GAS EXPENSIVE IN EUROPE, SUV TOO EXPENSSIVe GASSS, WAGON IS LIKE A SUV BUT LOWER AND BETTER DRIVING!!!!
Made a 2002 gmc Yukon able to hit 135 easy Peasy with some mods lol. But I wouldn't trust it trying to hot lap the ring... even with the suspension upgrades it had, too top heavy.
@@marjoz1552 around 70% is unrestricted
"Practical but deeply uncool" - I have felt like this about SUVs for a decade or two.
they're 100% already "mom cars" just like the wagon and minivan before it.
If you don't know how to be cool in Mom's minivan, then you're not very cool in the first place.
Every new generation rejects the car of choice of the previous generation.
@@melodramatic7904 except for pickups
JT Lowry pickups have the most diverse owners like we got farmers with 200k duallies with leather everything and soccer moms buying the same exact thing but never off roading
Wagon is the way to go. Tons of more space than any crossover. Crossovers are usually higher on their wheels and lean all over the place in corners.
It feels more carlike to drive. It is important because if you are in a hilly and curvy area, it is nice to have such a good-handling car climbing up hills and roads. I live in the Catskills and everyone seems to either drive a pickup or an Outback. The car really is a perfect mountain car and I like that it feels lower to the ground. Big bloaty SUVs are nice since you are higher up, but I like cars without such a high center of gravity. For safety reasons, it's far safer to be in a wagon as they are squat on the road, and are not creating roll over risks.
You touched upon it. SUVs are improving their handling constantly, but all things being equal a lower center of gravity and less aero resistance means a wagon like a saloon will always handle better at high speeds on the Autobahn.
Forgotten factor: average BMI is 28.5 in the US.
crossovers are just lifted wagons.
*bloated wagons
Or lifted hatches. Depends on the size.
*Lifted hatch backs
And wagons are lowered crossovers.
No man
Here in europe you see more a link with a normall car that is just a bit longer,,, but the design mke it look much longer but that is false
I'd much rather have a station wagon than a crossover. Crossovers are just stupid.
and ugly
They are pretty close to the same thing🤷🏽♂️
@@cmas415 Station wagons are bigger and have much more space and look nicer. I would never swap my Passat wagon for an SUV.
I can’t tell the difference across station wagons, suv or crossovers.
but also waaayyy cheaper than wagon
"Why Station Wagons Are More Popular In Europe Than America" - Video basically has no answer.
Answers require confirmed facts, and "news" manufacturers hate confirmed facts.
"Video basically has no answer" You're right, cause they wanna omit Station Wagons' key advantages. 1) You can have same engines as Sedan 2) You often have better practically, boot space, extra loading space and yet the same centre of gravity of sedans 3) Wagons look way cooler than MPVs
Because gas in Europe is quite a bit more expensive, and SUVs use more gas
@@lyndonlouie4108Hm... I don't think so. You are right that gas is more expensive, and SUVs may use 10-15% more ... but not like double or so. So it is not a huge cost factor. Also note that the European Station Wagons tend to be with large engines. I e.g. drive a BMW 530 station wagon, not exactly an eco-car. There are even MB AMG Station Wagons and such.
I agree, I watched this video and they pop up a couple of stats about sales with an actionvoice, over-explaining like there's 1.4% wagons among all cartypes, 1.2% going to a Subaru, and then wow! that means 0.2% for all the other brands, that's amazing. (no. it's not, it's simple math) While the charts and eventually the whole video never explained why stationwagons are not popular in USA. I have my own ideas ofc, but so does everyone else here. Conclusion: This video has the wrong title.
0:39 What a beautiful shot of wagon archetype, Volvo 740... :-)
Btw little known fact: This is the only car in the world where wagon is the primary type of body and sedan is derived from it.
Americans are addicted to oversized and inefficient vehicles, that's why you don't see american cars in Japan.
NOBODY Speak.....you've won the debate ...so true
True. Even in Indonesia, which has similar road size as Japan, albeit a bit wider won't have any new US Brand cars for the next year.
Well, nobody buys american cars except themselves.
@@histriamagna1014 Meanwhile in Germany, Italy and Switzerland Jeeps, Ford SUVs & Trucks, Ram Trucks sell like hot cakes, or freshly cut bread, as we like to say here. Mustangs are also pretty popular here.
They are overweight (obesity)
This video is way longer than it needs to be
Loads of information is just repeated
Gotta get them ad revenue.
@@fbkensarhd5279 exactly. This video was the "Caffe Americano" of youtube videos. Diluted crap for more volume. XD
@@fbkensarhd5279 they could atleast have cut it down to 10mins. for the ad revenue, but i guess then i would be more obvious for viewers and people would call them out more.
All of CNBC’s videos are of this length for ad optimization. There was no reason why this needed to be a video. I am unsubscribing.
I'm an American and I am I love with the estate body style. I wish we had more of those cars, and cars with manual gearboxes, and more cars with diesel engines instead of it being in mainly big trucks like the Cummins or duramax.
True true true 🙏
Well, just come to Sweden. We have all that.
I agree with the first two, and don't have anything to say about the third.
Off the top of my head, The VW Jetta wagon meets all those criteria
"So, why ARE wagons more popular in Europe than the USA?"
CNBC: "yes"
Because gas is much more expensive in Europe, and SUVs use more gas
@@lyndonlouie4108 and all the extra money we pay for the gas (benzine, diesel, gas, biofuel) goes to European infrastructure. which, at least in The Netherlands, is rated one of the best in the world.
@@nieksalomons All the money goes into building more "dremples", that's why SUV sales are also increasing in the super flat Netherlands. If you extrapolate the dremple building rate at some point there will be more dremples than road.
@@TremereTT overhauled SUV's to run on actual gas, rather than benzine (petrol), because of the mileage/liter. And "drempels" are built in spaces where you already need to drive slow, they are a good thing to have, to ensure the speed is low in crowded spaces.
You see the discussion now in the USA, how to build and maintain good infrastructure, my simple answer to that is: raise the taxes on all fuel. Like we do in the Netherlands. Outside of maybe Singapore and a few other places, The Netherlands has the best infrastructure in the world. Point.
@@nieksalomons I don't debate the quality of the infrastructure!
I want to create awareness that drempels are increasing, if you continue the trent you will get to a situation where there is only drempels left.
Also keep in mind drempels could be taken much faster with an SUV than with a station wagon!
So drempels du actually promote SUVs!
Also, Netherlands has great infrastructure, but why do the sportcars owner of the Netherlands prefere to drive in Germany? I guess the roads in the Netherlands aren't that good after all, if you don't drive an SUV that is. For SUVs they are great, oh and for Evangelics as Dutch gasstations are OFF COURSE allways dry.
No reason why at all - just the statement of the fact endlessly repeated. about 30s of information in 13 min.
That’s what makes these videos good in my opinion: they go in depth. If you want a short answer, don’t click on a 13 min video.
@@ddmarsh21 Depth is what we didn't get in this video - it's basically just length (probably because of better advertising conditions). They were just repeating the same thing all over. I wonder if this channel is aimed mainly for Americans, as this this video was exactly how their coffee is: watered down for the sake of volume... Like "I want MORE..." No wonder they are mainly going for SUVs. They want more, bigger, taller, wider... Bruh! :D
@@dgtldgls
That would definitely be part of it. SUV's are hugely popular with families, who are obviously very concerned about their kids' safety.
And higher seating and load area means gettings things in and out of the car (like babies) doesn't require bending.
Safety, comfort, capacity to go off-road on family vacations.
It's not surprising that they're popular in the US.
My guess is that the reasons for Europe still having wagons include:
1. They don't have to compete for height safety against multitudes of pick-ups and 4wd's.
2. They've always had more small cars, because of fuel costs.
@@ddmarsh21 In depth? i.e. repeating the same information 20 different ways? It seems more like hypnosis to me
I thought the same thing. Basically, "Americans don't like wagons for some reason" is offered up as the "answer" I guess.
72% of Crossover & SUV´s owners don´t have such an active life that demands 4wheel drive... it is just a look.
You are wrong...95% would be more like it😂🤣
AWD isn't just for rugged trails. After a big snow storm it can be for just getting to work or the grocery store with extra comfort and peace of mind. The whole world isn't LA and Phoenix.
About 60% of SUV's and MPV's are 4WD or AWD. Most of the rest are FWD.
Living in the northeast of the U.S., I couldn't have a car without AWD/4WD. The winters are really harsh
@@octorokpie All wagons are available in 4WD
I’m from Ireland and I’m sick of SUVs and Crossovers. My next car will be a Volvo V60 wagon
Of course u r in Europe that's cool but leave us Americans alone bout what we don't like nd what we do like
@@quanbrooklynkid7776 lol...enjoy liking your trenchcoat mafia copycats.
Roads are getting better, weather is getting warmer and less snow, but everybody needs a 4wd truck to get around now.
Doug DeMuro is not gonna like this
Doug DeMuro is the guy how will click "I dislike this"
Doug has a E63 AMG wagon and he adores it.
As an owner of a 2013 Jetta Sportwagen TDI, I can say it gets excellent fuel millage. It has the same amount of space as my previous 2005 Grand Cherokee and I save a ton of money driving this every day. I do miss being up high though. Long live the wagon :)
Plot twist: SUVs are just taller station wagons.
The Chevy Suburban, International Harvester Travelall, and Jeep Wagoneer are all station wagons built on truck frames.
They're not "just" taller
@@Hemingray1893 -- Indeed, you've identified what I'd call 'real' S.U.V.s---actual trucks 'made into' S.U.V.s.
But sooooo many (most?) of what's called "S.U.V." on the road these days are simply small, medium and large *cars* jacked up high. They're really hatchbacks and square-looking wagons perched on tall suspensions.
And/or lifted hatchbacks
@@Hemingray1893 What you mentioned are body-on-frame SUV's. Most modern ones are unibody crossovers.
I once got in a severely lengthy debate on a Audi forum about the Avant being a wagon. Literally all the admins and seniors called me troll and said the avant was not a wagon, it was a "avant". Literally to this day im not sure who was the one actually trolled.
I love wagons, but not enough choices in America
So do you own a wagon?
@@conceptcs a Seat León st
S3MS21 lol how did you buy a Seat in America?
In the first comment I meant America as the continent. I've lived in North, Central and south America, and not many wagons around here
S3MS21 oh soo you dont live in America anymore?
save the wagons and the manuals
And the coupes...
buy it first
Saw a VW Sportwagen in Maine with a 5 speed manual transmission, going to be my next car
@@woxyroxme Better buy it this year. It will be the last year of production.
Are sequentials alright?
I don't know about the USA but here in Canada I would have loved to buy a station wagon any time over the past 20 years. The problem is that the car manufactures stopped making them in an attempt to get people to buy larger vehicles. The only traditionally styled station wagon that I could find to buy new was a Volvo which cost way more than I wanted to pay for a car. I don't need something huge like an SUV, off road vehicle or modified troop carrier. The result ? I buy hatchbacks as a compromise .... but a wagon would be far more what I would like. Found in really annoying that Toyota make a corolla wagon but that it's only available in Europe :-( Won't be long before companies phase out hatchbacks too I predict. the profit margin on them is likely too small relative to the bigger cars.
I currently own a Scion/Corolla IM. And for my family of 3 (myself, girlfriend and kid) its more than adequate for weekend family get aways. I feel the same as you, If Toyota brought over the Corolla Estate/Wagon that they have in Europe; I'd be all over that in a heartbeat. But thats very unlikely as North America's obsession's with SUVs and Pick up Trucks seems to be getting bigger. Drives me nuts seeing soccer moms and karens driving around these big SUVs not even paying attention to the road in front of them as they hold their cell phones in front of their faces and drive with one hand on the wheel while balancing a coffee cup in the other. Anyway, I'm like you; as a compromise, I'll go with a hatchback any day. Just its becoming apparent that automakers in the US are slowly phasing out hatchbacks by making them smaller so people will be forced to buy something bigger. The new Corolla hatchback that came after the Corolla IM is smaller in cargo room and rear passenger space.
Confirm, I also wanted to buy a wagon, but there is just nothing to choose from in Canada. Subarus opposite engine just doesn’t suit me, it’s too expensive to maintain and fuel economy sucks. Diesel volks, seat, opel, bmw is what we need so much here, but we’ve got ugly pickup trucks and their braindead owners instead
In Canada, I bought a used 2015 V60 AWD T5 wagon with only 23,500 km on it. And well depreciated. A great car. Can't understand why people pay more for SUVs and crossovers when this is almost identical. And these cars will never be taken off city streets!
23,500 Miles Not 23,500 km It’s Miles Not Killometers CORRECT = 23,500 mi INCORRECT 23,500 km
Not enough talk about the handling advantages of being lower...
Don't worry, plenty of Americans driving their big Ford Explorer doing 90mph+ like sports cars.
Like I buy a wagon with handling in mind 😂 I guess maybe for those days I gotta get the kids to school before that last bell rings and I drank the night before......
@@cmas415 there are a couple of realy fast and fun wagons. just not in the US.
And you don't have to go at high speeds to notice the handling difference having lower center of gravity. Also taller vehicles dive more during breaking and overall less responsive than the sporty wagons. But yeah that's why they are taking over as family vehicles. Many don't really care that much about handling etc.
I’m an American, if I need to swerve to avoid something, chances are I’ll be better off just ramming into the car/deer/debris. I’m really not concerned about others
I love wagons. But then I’m a European living in the US. I value fuel economy and handling; Americans are more concerned with how a car rides on slow, straight roads than how it handles on twisty narrow roads. Wagon sales in the US are probably concentrated in the PNW and New England where the roads are more similar to Europe.
Hey! I know this was 9 months ago, but what wagon do you drive, an outback? And what region of the US do you live in?
Love my VW Golf.
Good point. Americans cross larger distances daily than your average European driver. Those distances are long wide freeways. We're more interested in comfort for the insane amount of time we have to spend in our vehicles. I've generally driven 175 miles round trip 5 days a week for work. I don't care if the vehicle is going to corner like a Porsche. I care about my ass hurting in the seat, my legs cramping, my back and neck going stiff. I want a big comfortable vehicle. If I'm not traveling very far i drive my VW Beetle, or my TDI Jetta. If I want a fun drive I take my 1970 VW Westfalia, if I want to scream down twisted roads I take my Audi TT. But generally I take my big comfortable 4 door Ford F150 King Ranch truck with heated and cooled seats. Not everyone can have multiple vehicles as I do, so most go for nothing more than comfort. And before you guys give me hell about being an American with so many vehicles..... I'm a VW Audi fan, a gear head, a collector. It's my hobby.
If a car can handle on twisty narrow roads, I'm pretty sure it can handle well on straight roads as well. They just need to be more alert.
That last sentence is correct.
The 6 metro areas where over 8% of cars are Subarus are Spokane, Seattle, Hartford, Denver, Portland, and Albany
(so in the PNW, New England, and CO)
Really wish there were more wagons sold in the US. I absolutely love them, so much that I'm afraid to sell my current car. They do everything a road car needs to do well: tons of space, low center of gravity (safe), can be fast and good at cornering
Have a BMW 325xi wagon and it drives super well, great weight distribution, very safe for people inside. Fun on the back roads, and have been able to move every single possession I own four times. You can't do that in a sedan, and it's the same size.
If for some reason, sir, you need to buy a new car, and want a station wagon, maybe it would be a good idea to test drive the MINI Cooper S Clubman, that costs when payed cash, $35045, if I'm not wrong. And I believe it's the least expensive one on the US new car market.
Well they were sold a lot during the 80s (like small pickup trucks like ford ranger or Nissan hardbody) but now almost no one buys them
So the Outback count for the 1.2% of America's car Market... Way to got Subbie!
Because (station)wagons are lighter, more efficient, more aerodynamic, drive/handle better than SUVs/Crossovers. But many many people are totally non-sensical.
I \don't remember seeing a station wagon with a more aerodynamic shape than the 1998-2007 Dodge & Chrysler minivans or their Ford & Toyota imitators.
@@bwtv147 Most modern station wagons are more aerodynamic than that. But other body styles (some of which you wouldn't expect it) can also have good aerodynamic characteristics. Also,.generally (much) more frugal. My wagon easily does 52 mpg (US) or 63 mpg (UK) on highway.
I had a Galant 2.5 V6 sport auto estate and it was a very quick car. Very roomy too.
@@bwtv147 the BMW 330i touring wagon has a drag coefficient of 0.27, name me a cross over with that low of drag coefficient
I'm swedish and wagons are great
I'm American and wagons are great.
Chilean and love wagons
4nderzzon : the Volvo V60 is the best wagon ever! Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪😊
Greeting from Germany, Wagons ("Kombis") are amazing! Audi A6 Avant is amazing!
@@podge5555 i can relate to that! I have a V60 D6 hybrid, great fast car!
The trends in various types of automobiles changes over time. I am old enough to remember the nineteen sixties when Station Wagons were a very common family car. This was especially true for large families. I am the oldest of six children. Over the years my family had 4 Station Wagons. These cars were used for family trips with mom and dad and six children and a top carrier full of luggage. Today these station wagons are a thing of the past.
National Lampoon's Vacation :D
Look at the Volvo v60 I consider it a modern proper wagon
I have always liked wagons. Memories of the vista cruiser, going to the drive in, hiding two other couples in the back. Going camping as teenagers, throwing the still packed up tent outside, and sleeping in the back just fine. It handled fire trails fine, with friends sitting on the tailgate for traction. I would buy the Buick now, but it has non-defeat able start/stop, and no spare.
We’re currently having the same SUV craze here in the Philippines, but I’ve noticed that slowly but surely, SUVs are starting to gain a reputation amongst younger generations as uncool, middle aged “dad-cars”; and I can clearly see that younger generations are slowly shuffling back to sedans, hatchbacks and wagons.
I actually like wagons
Me too. I think the old Lexus IS300 Sportcross is SO HOT.
Should I buy a wagon?
Well, Wagons handle better, in most cases have more space, handle better, every automotive journalist loves them, are more fuel efficient (If developed right), keeps their value better, and cost less.
No thanks ill take a SUV. American Logic.
to be fair, i never knew that, the average person just doesnt know that, and on first glance, the suv is much more impressive, i actually didnt know that untill i went to the comment section, i own fast sports cars, so i very much appreciate handling but I just never knew that, also could be i spend much more time focusing on my sport cars to really give notice
Bring the Corolla wagon to North America with 8" of ground clearance and AWD, with the 170hp 2.0L and the real-first-gear CVT, and they would sell like hotcakes.
They will price it too high then say, "See? Nobody wants to buy wagons." I still see Camry wagons once in a while.
Instead, they're bringing the Corolla Cross:
www.caranddriver.com/toyota/corolla-cross
@@SayAhh wasn't the Camry wagon called the Venza. Those sold like hot cakes and Toyota finally brought it back but it's a SUV now
@@JosiahAmankwah Venza 1.0 wasn't exactly a wagon. 2.0 is definitely a SUV (and almost Lexus-like).
@@SayAhh it wasn't a wagon wagon but the 1.0 was marketed as a station wagon. the 2.0 is so Lexus like but lets be honest. Lexus is still lightyears away.
@@SayAhh your right tho
Maybe Tesla can make a station Wagon so people will start liking it again
It wouldnt work because new tesla models have solar panels on top of the roof
Tzwac dastag Tesla model s shooting brake is one of the most beautiful cars I’ve ever seen. Add a v10 and it would be a perfect sleeper 😂👍🏻❤️
Halil Ganiev yes it would
They’re making Model Y and X. It’s wagon-y enough for most Americans.
Tzwac dastag Tesla tapers the back of their cars to make it aerodynamic and improve highway efficiency. Look at their crossover SUVs, the Model X and Y, for example. A Tesla station wagon would be no different to a Model S which already has a hatch-style liftgate instead of a sedan-like trunk lid.
I'm a wagon owner.
I love my wagon a lot!
2014 Volkswagen Jetta Sportwagon TDI.
Diesel engine. Strong built.
Love my Skoda Octavia 1.6 TDI too 👍
Love my '05 Jetta Wagon TDI. Only once did it not have enough utility, when I tried to fit my boat canopy/bimini poles didn't quite fit. I see why everyone buys big cars, you can't see a damn thing sitting down low with all those god damned big tall cars blocking your view. It's almost a can't beat 'em, might as well join 'em type thing. I refuse to give in to popular trends. Wagons forever. Sorry vw, you stopped making them, no future sales for you!
*COUGH COUGH COUGH COUGH* I don’t.
Me too...love my TDI and how I can pass any SUV on the mountian passes and the gas stations...lol
@@jackmckenna8410 Yeah but just remember when the next crisis takes hold everyone will be back in normal cars and everything will be back to normal again the crossover trend will die like any other trend.
I love my wagon, my first. 2023 Subaru Outback, I take it everywhere. Trails, Beach, Offroad, Long Trips, Around the Railyard. Im beyond words happy I get the best of both worlds. Cargo Capacity & Off Road Capability
*some hatchbacks could be classified as wagons:*
Honda Fit, Toyota Corolla/Matrix hatchback, Ford Focus hatchback, etc.
those are essentially wagons.
So basically Americans like tall sedans in which they can pretend to be tough and outdoorsy people.
@Frank De Ruiter Yeah. Like Europeans aren't so interested in their imagine and that's why the don't buy pickup trucks.
If Subaru Made the Outback like they did in late 90’s /early 2000’s, then sure I’d buy one. But today’s outbacks are bigger than Subaru Foresters from Decades who, can’t imagine owning something that big
90% of SUV owners won't ever go offroad, they cry when their SUV gets dirty let alone getting their SUV scratched when they go off road or not even knowing how to drive on off road. It's just for the looks.
@@May16Joe tbh for me a new G-Class would be much to good to take it offroad, really wouldn't like to scratch it. I'd take an old G-Class offroad any time, it's made for that
JavierCR25 it’s nice to not have to worry at all about your car. Yes, there are tons of differences like gas, cost, handling...but having a watch that is waterproof down to 1000 meters is nice even though you will never be 1000 meters underwater , you will never have to worry about it getting damaged, just like you won’t be worried about going up a steep hill, or dirt/bad gravel roads, or driving over curbs.
It is practical so USA buyers skip on it. This makes sense for me
i love my station wagon ( front bench seats ) , because i can sleep on it when there are monstrous traffic jams on the california highways , just park in a nearest gas station , and doze off the blues
Funny stuff is that, when i was buying my wrx, I accidentally called the forester and the outback station wagons and like half the dealership turned their heads like i was cursing or something lmao the sales person was like you mean our crossovers? I was like nah they are just wagon with a small lift.
Sad that VW is discontinuing the wagon in the US
Noooo! The alltrack is my favorite
Nonamus Gaming they have huge discount now in the dealer
@@nonamus9947: Couldn't talk my friend into considering the Alltrack--she wanted something with 30 cu ft of trunk space, good rear seat room, AWD, not massive--Alltrack is perfect, but she says, that's not an SUV--it has to be an SUV. She thinks a CX-5 or CRV is massive because she is only 5 ft. 1.
I searched the VW Alltrack, and it looks great.
@@chien-shengtsai8626 Which is hilarious considering neither of those are actually SUVs, just tall 5 door hatchbacks marketed as SUVs
Americans: we don’t like wagons. We like a combination of a minivan and wagon.
which gets the worst of both worlds.
USA likes suv only
Minivans are the real utility monsters, wagons have more utility than a crossover and MORE SPACE, crossovers are just taller hatchbacks
Idiot consumer: I don’t want a station wagon, yuck!
Manufacturer: Here’s this taller statio..... CROSSOVER!
Idiot consumer: Yes I love it!
Wagons won’t die.
Title: why Americans don’t like estate cars
Picture: large SUV
Its a subaru outback, its a wagon
@@multigamer1213 in Europe that’s an SUV
@@dudeboy10gplays7 maybe, in uk we call it a wagon/suv, I get what ur saying tho
@@multigamer1213 bruh, Im from the uk and I live there, I also happen to have an estate car, that is not an estate car.
@@dudeboy10gplays7 ok maybe u may consider the new Outback a SUV which I understand it’s a big car, I own a estate too it’s a 08 Outback. What car do u own? I’m not trying to start a fight.
Failed to even begin to address the question posed in the title.
LOL! 😂 That's the LameStream Media for you: political propaganda for Establishment politics, combined with clickbait 'lifestyle' fluff.
(and then they wonder why nobody takes them serious anymore 😜)
No Kimberly, the reason is cause of reasons "give you the look that the capt. gave Will Smith in MiB" lol
Yeah I noticed that too
Do you know why Dell computers are the best?
Well it starts back in 1972 when grandpa bought a brand new International Harvester tractor. This thing was massive. He went from plowing 15 acres a day to 50 acres a day. And would you believe it, it rode smooth as a Cadillac. That's why it was no surprise, when, two years later he bought a brand new 1974 Lincoln. The air conditioning was do cold, the ice cream didn't melt on the way home from the grocery store. That sure was a fine car. Ran like a Swiss watch. And that's when the well dried up the first time. They had to drill 452 feet in order to hit water on the new well........ Wait, what was the question?
As a Buick (Opel) Tourx owner we regularly hear "Cool Car!" When at a gas station. Something I am sure no crossover driver has ever heard.
Well it is a cool car
I bought my Lada Estate Wagon for it's utility, not so I could hear people tell me it's cool...
TourX owner here too. Lots if love from the outside on the long sleek looks and when they get inside they gush at the leg and head room. The ride quality is so good they can fall asleep on longer drives.
Americans love wagons and pick up trucks, then the SUV is the synthesis of these two kinds of vehicles.
Crossovers look like modernized station wagons. They're ubiquitous where I live in the midwest.
I thought the Dodge Magnum was a pretty cool wagon.
it looked like a hearse!
It is especially if has the rt package
In Europe thy sold the Dodge Magnum with a Chrysler 300C front as 300C wagon!
The SRT version was sick.
I kinda liked em, but they had too much of that mid 2000's Mercedes Chrysler design.
2:07 Finland is a Nordic country, not a Scandinavian one.
Can’t it potentially overlap?
@@EngelSpiel Only in the sense that Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are both. Finland and Iceland are Nordic but not Scandinavian.
I always thought Finland was also considered Scandinavian?
@@salmansengul No, it's not, because Finnish is an Uralic language, sharing no relation with Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish, which are all Anglo-Saxon.
@@PKMNFan4664 Isn't Iceland Scandinavian?
SUVs aren't the new wagons. Nothing beats a wagon. If you ever drove them on the highway, you'd know that they are something of a kind. Most of today's midsize sedans can't beat their level of stability and comfort. Not to mention space and versatility. Only those who have wagons know that, and that's why Europeans love them. No wonder why this segment is so loyal. #savethewagons
Crossovers are not my thing. I agree the Volvo's wagons are beautiful. But at the end of the day, I take my Honda Civic coupe anywhere. 😎
Acura TSX sports wagon. Honda has a wagon for you
The Volvo wagon is amazing
its ok, amazing is the Audi one
My brother & sis in-law love their V60. My wife loves her Acura TSX wagon. I'm staying with my 2 door coupe, or I may just get a truck or van next.
Recently conducted two, identical, 200+ mile test drive of a fully loaded 2020 Benz E-class and Volvo V90 Inscription (not the Crosd Country, but the "normal" wagon) estate wagons. IMO, the E's tech was more full featured, the V6 was sweet and the handling was sports-car like. However, the V90's seats were unbelievably comfortable and it looked sleeker. Bought the V90 and saved almost $20k. Selling my Outback.
@@stevemaggs6781 V90 is a great choice, looks are phenomenal. Even though there are some issues with reliablity in Europe.
@@cottagegymfun Acura TSX wagon is actually a Honda accord wagon from Europe with another badge.
I’m American, and I love my BMW 5 series estate wagon. It’s a shame BMW didn’t bring it to the states.
same. wouldnt trade my 5 series touring for anything else. drives like a dream and can load anything in the trunk
Most ppl only care about how it feels to get in and out of your car :P
You imported it from Germany?
744 748 I live in Japan, and there are a few wagons here, that we don’t get back home. The touring is one, and also the next gen Subaru Legacy wagon, called the Levorg. It has 300 horse power, but also a CVT. So, I went with the 5 series. I wonder if I’d even be able to import it.
They did, I had the 525 i Touring in 1993, it was a failure. Then they continued and refined it for a couple of generations and finally gave up. It was cool.
Only thing I can think about at 0:28 is the black car cutting off the white car. LMAO
You had me offended for the first 5 minutes of this video ("What about the Outback?!")
Still my dream car for the past 20 years.
I’ll take a CTS-V or an AMG wagon any day. Forget having a crossover.
Same. But I'll take the RS6 Avant.
lol I'd take a Volvo or the outback
Paul Lo volvo makes the best station wagons in the world hands down, no doubt they rule the market
yeah nothing better than to gap a Porsche or other sports cars in my dads E63s
600 bhp to go grocery shopping
@@carholic-sz3qv my friends mom owns a 2008 xc70, couldn't agree more
Here in Sweden... I kid you not... 50% of the cars on the highway are wagons...
And it’s beautiful!
1950: In 2022 we gonna have flying cars
2022: Lets trick Americans byselling wagons as crossovers
I owned a '94 Buick Roadmaster Wagon. One of the most comfortable and useful cars I ever owned. It died of frame rust. I really miss the beast.
Buick had a real sweet wagon they just discontinued last year because nobody bought it. Regal TourX. I think I saw one once on the road.
I lived in Germany for 4 years....and while I was cruising at 130mph on the Autobahn in a bmw.....the only vehicles that passed me all the time were Audi station wagons, Benz station wagons....and BMW X6s.
Nothing else.
Since then...it has been my dream to have a station wagon.
There are a lot of BMW wagons as well
@@redwhite_040
Yes....but those never passed me....lol
well i pass everything in my 550d touring diesel wagon beamer in europe haha
All the Volvo wagons in this video
that last bit had me laugh... "practical, but deeply uncool."
I love station wagons. They drive nicely, hold lots of stuff, and have a low roof height for carrying bicycles and other cargo. Since I’m 5’2”, I have to climb into an SUV. I am not a fan of SUVs.
Nice coincidence with today's Doug DeMuro's car review: Subaru Outback.
damn CNBC Not know what Scandinavia. Finland is not in Scandinavia since it not Denmark, Norway, and Sweden AKA Scandinavia. it a part of the nordic countries.
Finland is often mistaken as a Scandinavian country. It annoys me so much.
@@cloudnigh what about Iceland?
@@irgids Why? What he says is literally the first sentence under "Terminology and use".
Local usage vs broader usage of the term seems to be the difference.
@Daniel thank you
Proud Volvo v70mk3 with a manual owner here. O love riding on a couch and being able to fit anything in the boot. It also looks beautiful in Summum trim
Stations wagons are the best, i love the fact that they are super rare in North America, people actually turn around and stare at you and love the car!! The issue in NA was that marketing started pushing the new CUV (funny thing is people call stuff like the Nissan Rogue, Audi Q3, Acura RDX, Honda CRV, etc SUV when in reality those car are CUV) a cross-over utility vehicule, between a sedan an a real SUV (which are basically truck with utility space to use in different scenario. I for one find the stations wagon the best since they have all the space you need, very good on gaz, affordable pricing, and good resell value
i love how they had to read a chart to us like we couldnt read the chart to ourselves....
It's called a video...? Otherwise, you could read an article.
TechThatLasts thanks dip...
GXM Pyette91 lol
Because European have better looking wagons look at the peugeot 508 sw
Better looking and affordable. That's one of the reasons the suby sells more than the others, everything else is expensive.
Yeah... No. I don't like the way that one looks either. It isn't the case where European ones are better, because it's subjective. Just don't like the way it looks. And it's the same reason anyone likes or dislikes anything, it's just a matter of opinion.
I think North Americans, tend to prefer cars with more aggressive lines. Which is why I think people here don't buy minivans anymore
Out of all the station wagons you could at least say Mini clubman JCW or Mercedes e 63 Amg or Volvo wagon. or even Audi rs6 avant
Mazda 6 Wagon and Passat Wagon
In the U.K. we call them Estate Cars and they seem to sell well - the roads are full of them
crossover - a pseudojeep, drives in wet grass, needs a trailel.
Statio wagon - a regular looking car, doesnt drown in mud, has engines equal to supercars :D
SUV = Super Useless Vehicle
SUVs have a higher center of gravity. That means more likely to flip over. I’ll take my Volvo v60
SUVs are usually heavier than wagon which means they will be safer vs another lighter vehicle.
Modern vehicles have a lot of safety systems that help prevent a rollovers.
The odds of a rollover happening is very low compared to a crash with another vehicles. It’s not really logical if you’re getting a wagon over an SUV for the fear of a rollover..
Fadic4 weight and safety are different things. you will sustain less injury in a 2019 miata than a 1950 oldsmobile if they collide.
@@mathieuclement8011
"weight and safety are different things"
If you are comparing vehicles of the same era that had to meet the same safety standards, your statement is very wrong.
Why are you comparing cars from 50+ years apart?
If you take 2 modern cars from different classes, Let's say a dodge ram and a Corolla and had them both smash into each other, the drivers of the Corolla are more likely to be more injured than the drivers in the Dodge Ram.
When they give cars a 5 star safety ratings they are comparing it to other cars in its class, not a 5 star safety rating compared to heavier cars from different classes.
"Weight is important when two vehicles collide. The bigger vehicle will push the lighter one backward during the impact. That puts less force on the people inside the heavier vehicle and more on the people in the lighter vehicle."
You should probably go give this a read so you understand better.
www.iihs.org/topics/vehicle-size-and-weight
A wagon/sedan will always have a better center of gravity and less body roll than an SUV. Can confirm this from driving a Volvo 850 vs a Volvo XC90 as a specific comparison. It's easier to maneuver a smaller vehicle, including going and stopping.
Also more wind drag resulting in WORSE fuel mileage at highway speeds..
Station wagons are amazing 😍
Finally someone who agrees with me😁. Go buy one!
Nic Laue I don’t need or want all that space. I’m a coupé or convertible type of girl. But for those who desire a car like that wagons are much better than SUVS in my opinion.
@@clairekennedy8767 both those are great as well! Just no SUVs or crossovers 😂
@@clairekennedy8767 what car do you drive usually?
Kaito Spence R8. I don’t drive much. I work remotely and when going out with others they drive
The only acceptable car for me as a family car in Europe is a Volvo wagon - change my mind.
Get a Lamborghini Aventador, I was skeptical at first but it turned out to be perfect for my family’s needs, we just stop taking the kids places
Or if you're rich, an Audi RS6 Avant or E63 AMG Wagon
Most people in the USA now are driving a station wagon, they just call it an SUV😂
I just bought Volkswagen Golf Station Wagon and I love its practicality. Btw Finland is not Scandinavian country, even though geographically speaking some parts are over Scandinavian mountains North Finland. Greetings from Finland!
Finland is part of the Nordic country’s. But not Scandinavia. You may noticed a different in language too. Terveisiä Saksasta 🇫🇮 Finland/ Hälsningar från Tyskland 🇸🇪 Sweden
-Another Finn trying to minimize the Swedish influence in Finland. Had enough of the Russians, too, yes?
@R. Schowiada71 I don't know about other countries flags, but Finnish flag was supposed to symbolize similarities on legistlation and religion with other nordic countries, that is why Finland chose Nordic flag style flag. Finland had swedish legal system even under russian rule. So Nordic flag wasn't supposed to present any ethnicities, but rather legistlation and lutherian religion
@@ninaakari5181 Long live Finland!
I will own a wagon after I'm done with my Volvo C30. I can't stand the flooded SUV and Crossover market. Long live the long roofs!
Yeah AND the lower-to-the-ground driving feeling!
I'm trying to remember the last time I saw a real station wagon. I remember Chevrolet and Buick had those big tanks Caprice Classic and Roadmonsters out in like the late 90s or so, maybe a little later. We had imports too, like the Camry and Accord wagons not too long ago, but that's about it.
Wagons are the best! The styling and handling of a sedan, the bum of a small pick-up, and enclosed so it's useful space! The wagon also let's you pick the size of the box on what typical lifestyle you lead. The SUV option is actually awesome! I own the first crossover Honda made, the CR-V. It's like a Civic on stilts you can now camp with. So yes, wagon man here for life!
I have a Subaru Outback and a Subaru Legacy and as I get older I like the crossover more because it's easier to get into and out of. Sitting in the Legacy is like sitting on the ground.