A Cat Catastrophe! Plus an interview with the Thick as Thieves Devs - Dropped Frames Episode 413

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  • Опубликовано: 16 дек 2024

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  • @thesteammachinepodcast
    @thesteammachinepodcast День назад +58

    SO glad I found this show recently. Been loving it

    • @itmeJP
      @itmeJP  День назад +21

      Welcome! Glad you're enjoying it.

    • @Wirenfeldt1990
      @Wirenfeldt1990 День назад +5

      you have the mother of all backlogs to go through.. I kinda envy you.. Maybe i should dial back the clock..

    • @Machobunni
      @Machobunni День назад +4

      definitely check out the rami episodes, that man is a gaming industry guru with all his experience in the industry

    • @trelliema
      @trelliema День назад +4

      @@Machobunni I swear the very best episodes are the Rami + Jesse Cox episodes

    • @onlyhunnertv
      @onlyhunnertv 21 час назад +3

      ​@Wirenfeldt1990 fall asleep to them haha thats what I do

  • @Juhz0r
    @Juhz0r 13 часов назад +9

    I love the variety of games Zeke plays. Always something new to hear about. I mostly play indies these days, so he's become a great resource to discover new oddities.

  • @LinkinParkConnoisseur
    @LinkinParkConnoisseur День назад +26

    I missed the show live so glad JP got it on yt so fast

  • @nr1771
    @nr1771 День назад +28

    Warren Spector is an absolute legend in games. It's so cool that you got to interview him. And I'm definitely more interested in their new game now than I was after the reveal.

  • @Downloader3008
    @Downloader3008 14 часов назад +4

    this interview made me wishlist the game and looking forward to it.
    i was like cohh, sceptical at first and a bit disappointed that warren spector's next game would be multiplayer where i hoped for a spiritual deus ex successor.
    but this will have lore snippets for every thief, maybe an overarching questline. solo focused and even noobs get to set their own goals.
    got me more excited than the reveal trailer. thanks for the interview (and the podcast like every week)

  • @Machobunni
    @Machobunni 21 час назад +8

    One thing I hate is that, so many things can one shot you that even if you're doing perfectly fine, dealing damage, full health/shield/etc, you have to dodge just cuz there likely is something near or about to hit you. Any signs of said thing? Not that I can see easily, but you HAVE to keep dodging in late maps just cuz. Not as a means of responding to something happening, but just to avoid something you cant fully see. It's dumb. Dodge is meant to exist to avoid something you know is coming. Not to just fucking roll around praying you avoid something you can't see or dont know is there

    • @James-u1y
      @James-u1y 16 часов назад +2

      Yeah the one shot thing they are trying to work on, they mentioned it being harder to test for in-house and that the best solution for them is to wait for players to get data for them in EA to fix the right things that people might run into more often, then as things are culled they can get the more specific scenarios, but yeah it fuckin sucks man lost my HC run to it. Didn't even notice the attack until the last second because I was using a skill on an edge.

    • @Machobunni
      @Machobunni 15 часов назад +1

      ​​@@James-u1ydon't suppose it was an after death time bomb sort of thing that was blocked by the loot text? That's what happened to me XD micro-transaction animation for rare mob death and text blocked it all visually

    • @nr1771
      @nr1771 9 часов назад

      The other problem is that PoE2 is obviously balanced around the dodge roll, but the dodge roll only works if the mobs don't have any modifiers. As soon as you run into a mob that attacks 20% faster than normal, or hits in a 20% bigger AoE, suddenly the dodge roll doesn't work to get you out of their attacks anymore. I feel like the dodge roll is balanced pretty well for bosses, but it totally breaks when you start running into regular/rare enemies with modifiers. This is something they really need to look at.

  • @vaderoflocksley7238
    @vaderoflocksley7238 День назад +3

    I did my first trial as Warrior the other day and it was awesome. One of the harder things I've done in a while, really made me focus. I beat it with 38 honor and I stood to cheer when I did because it had my heart racing. Got through the second trial last night, love how warrior is paced. Slow, methodical, taking turns with the game by using the active block. I raise my shield for just a moment and heal to full off blocking and ignite/stun them with a parry. Rush in with shield bash, stun them on impact and explode everyone's armor, Warcry, then one/two tap them with a heavy hitting skill to cause chain explosions. Rush to the next group.
    I have beaten all major bosses across the acts within the first three tries, I think Warrior is just different from what people want, idk. It feels exactly like I had hoped, doesn't feel weak par a few bosses but those bosses are complained about by more than just Warrior. But hey, if anything, people will get it buffed and I'll have even more fun doing what I'm doing, which already works wonders. I'm excited for Templar (prefer holy summons over undead) and Druid (very curious what forms it has).
    Game is incredible, highly recommend anyone to try it out, well worth the entry price.

  • @SturmSwiftaxe
    @SturmSwiftaxe 18 часов назад +1

    Love that JP is still making funny faces during that one dropped frame in the intro 😄

  • @MuuMiFin
    @MuuMiFin 14 часов назад +1

    If Zeke see this: check vendors often! They sell very good gear upgrades.

  • @megarustog
    @megarustog 55 минут назад

    There's a few of my favorite underrated multiplayer games that Thick as Thieves reminds me of: 1. The Ship - oh man was this game so fun. 2. Deceive Inc. - really cool, I wish more would play and enjoy this one

  • @James-u1y
    @James-u1y 13 часов назад +3

    Hey JP that Jonathan interview would be awesome as fuck, just wanted to give my 2¢.

  • @JHack377
    @JHack377 День назад +3

    The main thing that worries me about multiplayer games where story progression is through using a character that only one person can use at a time is how awful lobbies will be with quitters the second they don't get the one character whose stories they haven't completed yet.

    • @James-u1y
      @James-u1y 15 часов назад

      That's a good point, I wonder if we can all use the same character if we can are there options for customization, and along that if we have similar story arcs from using the same character do we end up following each other along or is there a form of randomization the routes or the goal while keeping the main portion of the story reading out the same so you all get a good experience from that story while having options.

  • @toddbailey8474
    @toddbailey8474 День назад +11

    I love his comment about Epic Mickey. Lol

  • @gkjzhgffjh
    @gkjzhgffjh 13 часов назад

    What a great interview, I loved the questions and Warren and Greg were great about answering.

  • @leandrobla
    @leandrobla 13 часов назад +1

    Amazing interview guys!

  • @cohomologygroup
    @cohomologygroup 3 часа назад

    It sounds like they're reinventing the Extraction Shooter genre.

  • @SabreRunner
    @SabreRunner 18 часов назад +1

    When I played Grim Dawn I was annoyed to see that M&K controls don't have keyboard movement but controller does. So I held my Steam Controller in one hand and my mouse in the other and played like that. It was a bit freaky but it worked. No other game I found allows me to do this. Which sucks.
    As for JP's issue with switching to M&K with W being ingrained for other things? Here's a hint: Move your left hand one key to the right, where it rests in the typing position, your left pointer on the raised F key. Try that.

    • @Juhz0r
      @Juhz0r 15 часов назад

      That's wild. Seems like one of those things that's less than optimal in the moment, but creates a more unique and memorable experience in its own scuffed way.

    • @SabreRunner
      @SabreRunner 13 часов назад

      If you wanted independent movement with mouse aiming, that's what you had to do.

  • @jessdistressed
    @jessdistressed День назад +1

    happy holidays to DF!

  • @NanakiPL
    @NanakiPL 10 часов назад

    1:26:29 Technically a single cat owner that adopted the last one from the litter didn't break any family.
    With average 3-4 cats per litter its around 66-75% single cat owners that are hypocrites :P

  • @thegrowingdarkness1377
    @thegrowingdarkness1377 20 часов назад

    1:35:40 when I was in the toy marketing industry, there was a time when every toy store in the city will put up sale in sept-nov in order to clear the shelf for upcoming Frozen 2 release.

  • @nicholasg.5441
    @nicholasg.5441 День назад +12

    Im surprised cohh is surprised there are antiwoke mobs in the video game fanbase

    • @James-u1y
      @James-u1y 16 часов назад +2

      He's one of the guys who prefers optimism as he's streamed longer he's come to get a grasp on more things but the anti-woke stuff only rose the last couple of years and some people are only seeing the bigger waves recently. It is what it is especially if you're surrounded by people that prefer a positive outlook even when super critical of things it's harder to see the outside stuff. I only found out about all of this earlier this year when the censorship stuff came about on Tifa and then stellar blade.

    • @Juhz0r
      @Juhz0r 15 часов назад +2

      It does seem unlikely with how loud that crowd has been for the past year. Also, from what I've seen, there's a chunk of his own audience that fits that description, but maybe his rule against politics makes them less obvious.
      The "antiwoke" post-TGA reaction to Ciri and the protagonist of Intergalactic has been widely mocked and parodied to absurdity, so things have kinda boiled over recently. The majority of gamers find those people more and more annoying as time goes on.

  • @moneda
    @moneda 21 час назад +2

    1:02:23 I'm not seeing the issue with this stream together thing. People not collaborating with others have been at a disadvantage for at least 4 or 5 years now. There are many streamers now who owe being able to do that full time to playing Among Us with others, or being on OTK's top streamer competition, or Love or Host, or Fuslie's streamer camp. The meta has simply been hard coded into Twitch now.

  • @olsongc8422
    @olsongc8422 День назад

    They should get DougDoug on the stream and have him talk about having games react to when certain words are spoken

  • @StefanRindom
    @StefanRindom 17 часов назад +1

    Great episode 🎉

  • @masterpug13
    @masterpug13 11 часов назад

    I'll just say it. I'd pay $40 for a Thief remaster.

  • @yurt9552
    @yurt9552 17 часов назад

    Far more interested in this now that I've heard these guys talk about it. Also, the deliberately placed Trioptimum logo behind Warren probably means nothing but I'm choosing to believe System Shock 3 is not dead and Otherside are involved again. I accept that it's entirely my fault when I'm inevitably disappointed again.

  • @megarustog
    @megarustog Час назад

    Stealth Action - ooh baby. I love me some stealth action games.

  • @synthiandrakon
    @synthiandrakon 19 часов назад +2

    With the amir stuff i think part of what makes it feel weird is that the video they show to introduce him talks about how where he is from there is no game dev jobs, but it doesn't mention that he did in fact go on to work in the games industry. It makes him seem like a lifelong fan who has had no opportunity to work in the industry, taking the initiative to help and thats what i think most people took him to be from the information we were presented.
    The fact he has worked in the games industry for years in the buisness sector is just completley left out

    • @James-u1y
      @James-u1y 16 часов назад +2

      Doesn't he talk about how he got into the industry a few years ago though, it wasn't exactly a secret that he's been working in the space, and also with a background in data analysis, I assumed he had a decent position but wasn't sure where.
      I wouldn't exactly include Tencent in my speech nor would I want it in my introduction in a game show since they have teams for mtx and not great money grabbing practices, if the pay is good though I'd take it.

  • @darkguardian50
    @darkguardian50 День назад +2

    The Catly game is one of the most terrifying things I have ever seen. And that includes most if not all survival horror games.

  • @Darkasasin80
    @Darkasasin80 7 часов назад

    Why does Zeke laugh like Muttley? I like it.

  • @razor7463
    @razor7463 День назад

    Honestly the game sounds great. Can't wait to play multiplayer Thief

  • @gearhead417
    @gearhead417 23 часа назад +6

    I think its kind of insane that Amir can potentially be vilified because the good thing he did became a little too public and now people with an axe to grind are just going to end up ruining a good thing that has a net positive effect on the industry. This is like if a Barista at starbucjs did a charity thing and got called out because they work for Starbucks. The guy isnt like a major player at his company so why does it matter where he works.

    • @synthiandrakon
      @synthiandrakon 19 часов назад +5

      I think part of it is that the video they showed made it seem like he didn't work in the industry. It even talks about how there wasn't any opportunites to work in the game dev industry where he was from. It makes him seem like a complete outsider just trying to help, it omits the fact he has been working in the industry for years. Which feels weird even through its probably nothing.

    • @thedude7319
      @thedude7319 19 часов назад +1

      People don't like astroturfed people

    • @gearhead417
      @gearhead417 12 часов назад +1

      @synthiandrakon I didn't get that impression at all. Like how could you do something like this if you weren't part of the industry? An Outsider with zero connections passing out resources to help people find jobs in the industry would be extremely suspicious. Also where he's from and where he lives are too different things. It all just seems like someone with an axe to grind for the TGAs took an easy target and didn't actually care about all the facts. Like why does it matter where he works? He's doing a good thing with no ulterior motives. He's not making money doing this and he wasn't trying to become famous. I guess at the end of the day the only way to do any real good is for no one to talk about your efforts because there is always someone who is going to try to tear down all the good you try to do.

  • @eliptkarnage27
    @eliptkarnage27 19 часов назад +3

    Btw the game changer recipient isn’t just a tenCent employee, but an executive. His last statement in his speech about wanting to feel apart of this game making community…. He’s been apart of it for a while, but not accepted / respected because of his position. It’s a joke. Geoff’s only attempt to sorta say something about the layoffs in the industry.. This has completely turned me off to Keighley. He’s a coward.

  • @Razzying
    @Razzying 11 часов назад

    Even if its early access, GGG could've at least gave a free respec or at least lower the cost to respec.

  • @thedude7319
    @thedude7319 18 часов назад

    01:10:10 astroturfing people haa existed for ever, people need to understand this.
    If someone pulls on your heartstrings that isn't your nana, question it

  • @PokiDraco
    @PokiDraco 16 часов назад

    Crazy how both Diablo and Last Epoch have hybrid controls by default but POE still doens't have this.

  • @DreBin1415
    @DreBin1415 16 часов назад +1

    Honestly, the game industry problem has gotten so bad that if you don't know about the 3 levels of irony that got us here gamers just look like cry babies. I can't only hope that at least one of them is willing to look through the mess to see why posts/edits of characters are being dolled up.
    To answer your question, yes it is satirical. Unfortunately, just like most things there is a small group that is taking it wwaayyyy too serious and that's what'll end up being pushed forward.

  • @Setliin
    @Setliin 8 часов назад

    people literally never talk in the EU when playing games, so the whole VOIP never really meant anything to me lmao

  • @TheEregos
    @TheEregos День назад

    The ONLY thing i think Twitch need to do is stop letting groups stream in multiple groups. As a watcher its became drastically better to watch people due to it, more people are grouping up and it feels like old Twitch again.

    • @Ghorda9
      @Ghorda9 День назад

      it also needs to be a lot more selective with mods and allow them to get fired

  • @losvikings2584
    @losvikings2584 День назад +2

    46:48
    poor Cohh. that awkward moment

    • @Solmyr14
      @Solmyr14 21 час назад +2

      Karma for hijacking Zeke's final question. 😜

  • @jaydunna2645
    @jaydunna2645 21 час назад +3

    Wukong was a solid 8. That's it.
    Art direction - excellent
    Combat - Good
    Rest - average or bad.
    Certainly not GOTY.

    • @kayneg9941
      @kayneg9941 21 час назад +1

      Yeah story definitely didn't grab me

    • @jaydunna2645
      @jaydunna2645 20 часов назад

      @kayneg9941 which is bizzare because they had a whole ass epic to use as source material.

  • @zephron28
    @zephron28 22 часа назад

    I love how uncomfortable Cohh is at this point @2:33...o aroused lol

  • @sliceofheaven3026
    @sliceofheaven3026 День назад

    Not really a fan of the whole multiplayer aspect of the game. Stealth in a multiplayer environment is hard to accomplish unless everyone is really well coordinated.

  • @gilney.mathias
    @gilney.mathias День назад +8

    1:31:28 u guys are really funny... Concord really didn't bring anything new to the table, at least aything good, and just the 'Marvel' name doesn't mean it would be a success, just look at that avengers game and even the guardians of the galaxy game lol

    • @Juhz0r
      @Juhz0r 14 часов назад +1

      It didn't bring anything new to the table, but neither does Marvel Rivals, and that's the point. It's another hero shooter, but it has a very popular IP attached to it, so it gets a lot more attention by default than a brand new IP.

  • @TheEregos
    @TheEregos День назад +2

    IF that Elden Ring game is more like Monster Hunter than people realise then it will be such a massive success and maybe get GotY but it could also be so sour so easily.

    • @olsongc8422
      @olsongc8422 День назад

      From IGNs 6 hour review it's more like a Battle Royale

    • @Ghorda9
      @Ghorda9 День назад +2

      @@olsongc8422 it's not a battle royale, the interview said this, it's a co-op rogue like.

    • @olsongc8422
      @olsongc8422 День назад +2

      @@Ghorda9 except its a 3 day cycle where there's a ring that shrinks every day. The Purple fog is a wall that closes and behind it is acid rain that drops, forcing the explorable area to shrink down.
      That's literally a Battle Royale arena.

    • @Ghorda9
      @Ghorda9 День назад +6

      @@olsongc8422 it's not a battle royale, there is no pvp, Elden Ring having platforming doesn't make it a platformer.

  • @maguszero
    @maguszero День назад +3

    On the subject of people unhappy that they can't respec their build after the 'cast on x' nerfs in PoE2: The build was a couple of support gems. Freeze is still strong I would be utterly shocked if more than 20 points needed to be moved to still be extremely powerful, and most likely it's closer to 10. That amount of respec isn't that expensive.

  • @sleapyhead
    @sleapyhead 17 часов назад

    Being able to "brick" your character in PoE2 makes me not want to play that game...

  • @dlpheonix
    @dlpheonix 23 часа назад

    The last twitch update before the latest one made stop watching on twitch altogether.

  • @ausoleil8269
    @ausoleil8269 День назад +2

    Why would I play Astro boy ? It's an exclusive on a console. That's niche and very restricted at best.

  • @DefiedFaith
    @DefiedFaith День назад +1

    1:14:50 It’s all about business. There always has to be the next controversy to keep things moving. Even if they have to fabricate that controversy.

  • @AwesomeNuke
    @AwesomeNuke 11 часов назад

    I dont think JP played much of POE1 ruthless, if he's comparing POE2 to it lol
    In a full 10-act ruthless campaign, you'd be lucky if you found 1 or 2 rare items per act.. and maybe 5-6 gems (which were random, and you had to work with them..)

  • @DreBin1415
    @DreBin1415 15 часов назад

    The Marvel IP is what got people through the door. That game being good is what's keeping them.
    Star Wars Outlaw and Suicide Squad are proof that an IP alone can't carry a game. So to down play their accomplishment just feels bad man.

  • @dlpheonix
    @dlpheonix 23 часа назад +2

    Astrobot winning goty is super weird imo. Good game but not for the year.

  • @Nichtwissen
    @Nichtwissen День назад +2

    On Reddit they say, the Black Myth thing is a mistranslation.
    Many things are out of context and he actually was just self-reflecting.
    Some things are hard to translate, so it sounds quiet harsh.
    He didn't know how the TGA work, etc... and he thinks confidence is importent for a dev, probably why he wrote that speech that early. bla bla bla...
    I don't speak chinese myself so I don't know better, but it's probably the typical unfounded internet rage. The dev seems cool.

    • @thedudefromthesun
      @thedudefromthesun День назад +2

      i read the translations from Chinese speakers and imo its much about nothing. maybe you could say they were too confident or immature at the beginning of their statement. but most of it was just about self reflection and moving forward. translations from Chinese to English is not black and white and not to mention major cultural contexts and emotions. but reddit is reddit...any hint of negativity towards Chinese they will jump all over it . more internet rage and hate...nothing more and nothing less.

    • @liuzhaoqi2003
      @liuzhaoqi2003 День назад +6

      I'm a Chinese native speaker, and there's nothing have been mistranslated.
      Only missing contexts is that the post is clearly a rage bait to stork Chinese player's extreme nationalism to "blame" western for their losses.
      Do you ever wonder why every time some controversy come out about the studio, is always been labeled as mistranslation?

  • @usmanfarooq9301
    @usmanfarooq9301 День назад +1

    I personally think Wukong Deserve GOTY .

  • @Mako2401
    @Mako2401 День назад

    Path of Exile 2 will be in early access / beta for a long, long time, up to a year. So not sure how Kripp can give a review of a game that's in EA.

    • @nr1771
      @nr1771 День назад +4

      If a company is charging money for a game, it's fair to critique it in the state it's in.

    • @Mako2401
      @Mako2401 23 часа назад

      @@nr1771 POE2 is at least 6 months away from release. What exactly are you reviewing here? IT's one thing to have criticism and to say this is something they should change, it's another one to give a review as if the game is out.

    • @MuuMiFin
      @MuuMiFin 19 часов назад +1

      Thats exactly what the EA is for lol.. He gave feeback and how he feels about the game at this moment..

    • @omarmahmoud2111
      @omarmahmoud2111 17 часов назад

      @@Mako2401 He's reviewing the early access version we're all playing. Now that could change in the future and that's why this current review is out. So the players who haven't reached that far into that game, like me, still on early maps, know and talk about it to GGG and hopefully it gets better by the time we reach that point. Kripp isn't a negative nanncy and trying to shit on the game for clicks or something. Just an honest review about late game POE 2 on the version we all have access to right now.

    • @Mako2401
      @Mako2401 16 часов назад +1

      @@omarmahmoud2111 If he makes other reviews as the game gets updated, sure. But just to be clear, the game is not out . This is ea.

  • @gilney.mathias
    @gilney.mathias День назад +4

    wukong was robbed, for sure.

    • @Einomar
      @Einomar День назад +11

      Oh please

    • @bombon9674
      @bombon9674 День назад +6

      the worst game out of all the nominees was robbed? please
      much better games out there that deserves that spot over black MID wukong

    • @MuuMiFin
      @MuuMiFin 19 часов назад

      They should call the police!