2024 Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses: "Armageddon is Good News!"

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  • Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024

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  • @lh1673
    @lh1673 2 месяца назад +18

    Yes, I almost fell from the seat at the convention I was when was listening from the stage saying, “To us JW, bad news is actually good news to us”😮, what was more shocking is, the JWs around me were nodding their head (agreeing) and taking notes of it😅

    • @Doogy_Rev
      @Doogy_Rev 2 месяца назад

      Yes they are trying to be hip, and down with the youth. It not bad meaning bad, it's bad meaning good. Lyrics from rundmc. 🛹 🧢👟

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +4

      It's insane to watch when you're awake. People just nodding along, not giving a second thought to how none of it makes sense. It's so disconcerting

  • @cherrymnm04
    @cherrymnm04 2 месяца назад +15

    My PIMI parents were actually so proud to announce to me that the last talk of the 2024 convention was the same material that prompted them to have a study and eventually get baptised in 1986. I love my parents, I really do, but the fact that Armageddon was the topic that made them decide to be a JW (a topic btw that was constant nightmare fuel throughout my childhood) is just beyond me!

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +2

      I'm so sorry. Isn't it something that a doctrine built around violence can be 'the one' that makes people want to join?

    • @cherrymnm04
      @cherrymnm04 2 месяца назад +1

      @@survivingparadisepodcast I honestly don’t get it, and it’s so incongruous to how I was raised. JWs always go on about being kind to people, and how important it is to love thy neighbour, but then they’re so gleeful about the idea of billions of people being murdered…like, no wonder so many of us have issues!

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      @@cherrymnm04 Exactly! They claim to love their neighbor, but can't wait for Armageddon to hit!

  • @Elevatorthoughts
    @Elevatorthoughts 2 месяца назад +12

    Amen, Stacey! We’re free! That’s the real good news.

  • @gustavscholten597
    @gustavscholten597 2 месяца назад +21

    Jah’s demented governing body……running the Warwick Asylum….

  • @deborahrosefistner6421
    @deborahrosefistner6421 2 месяца назад +15

    Whenever I hear someone say that we have free will, I say, NO, we have self will! There is a huge difference!

    • @vusimngomezulu2500
      @vusimngomezulu2500 2 месяца назад

      Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..

    • @georgebrown8312
      @georgebrown8312 2 месяца назад +3

      @vusimngomezulu2500; are you still regurgitating the same old question?

    • @vusimngomezulu2500
      @vusimngomezulu2500 2 месяца назад

      @@georgebrown8312 Meaning all of you don't know the answers 😂

    • @godlyentertainmentlive9161
      @godlyentertainmentlive9161 2 месяца назад

      ​@vusimngomezulu2500
      If this is a question about numbers then catholics would be ahead of every denomination with 1.39 billion members. Have they reached world wide? No.
      So far the FULL bible has only been translated to 750 languages. Keep in mind christians have been translating the bible SINCE the first century and thats as far as we got.There are confirmed more than 7,100 languages on earth and still various regions of the earth we have yet to explore. Then there's the various groups of people who we haven't gotten Christians to meet anyway. Then there are regions where Christians in general are banned.
      So if the condition of the "end" is based upon the gospel being spread worldwide then we have at least a couple more centuries if not another thousand years of living to do.
      If you believe catholics preach the gospel then they already have 1 billion members, but if you believe the witnesses have the gospel then they only have a little more than 8 million members and have done not done NEARLY the amount of work that catholics have done. I could even go into protestants and eastern orthodoxy vastly surpassing what the watchtower has done. Overwhelmingly more members and are present in more countries than jw's.
      At the rate at which jw's share the gospel the end won't come for another couple thousand years.

    • @vusimngomezulu2500
      @vusimngomezulu2500 2 месяца назад

      @@godlyentertainmentlive9161 Please show me a proof from the Bible that many different Christians are preaching one massage.

  • @nicholsonlawrance5821
    @nicholsonlawrance5821 2 месяца назад +8

    Just what i was thinking, every JW knows what the 'Good News' means!

  • @EvelynnLandrum
    @EvelynnLandrum Месяц назад +1

    👍 ❤ Free since 1997!

  • @Beautyrest575
    @Beautyrest575 2 месяца назад +5

    Thank you again!!! Really appreciate your insight! You are a really good speaker! The good news is that all those ExJW channels are making a big difference! I’m sure they give watchtower a lot of headaches and that’s good news for me. Also, the authorities are closing in on their hateful policies and make them pay. Another good news for me!!

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks Beauty!! YES, there are so many voice now speaking up about this 'organization'....it's fantastic to see!

  • @lh1673
    @lh1673 2 месяца назад +10

    Imagine these JW are waiting for bad news which is predicted in gospels, it has to occur to be fulfilled so Armageddon will come😮, even former GB Morris had said in one of his talks, We been waiting for this(Covid)😮

    • @adamantiumbullet9215
      @adamantiumbullet9215 2 месяца назад +2

      *"We been waiting for this(Covid)"*
      I'd challenge Morris to find anywhere in WT literature where it discussed Covid ahead of the event.
      So, WT predicted the seasonal flu? That's a perfect example of WT's 'prophetic' abilities.

    • @lh1673
      @lh1673 2 месяца назад

      @@adamantiumbullet9215 It’s just shocking of the level of NO NATURAL AFFECTION these JW actually has, which I also regret too while indoctrinated. We actually had to question this book God, why ya know something terrible coming in future but NEVER STOP it!

    • @astridmiller7938
      @astridmiller7938 2 месяца назад +2

      he also said ''i doesn't worry me'' ..thats a maniac in action

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +1

      Yep. They wait for misery. Their website updates to whatever tragedy is going on in the world

    • @lh1673
      @lh1673 2 месяца назад

      @@survivingparadisepodcast I also while indoctrinated was fed up with this org constantly showing persecution videos! So sorry for the little ones who has to watch such negative stuffs!

  • @DY2784
    @DY2784 2 месяца назад +3

    👋Warm greetings from SW Florida, Stacey. Thanks for your spot-on reasoning. 👍❤

  • @heatherwillson4862
    @heatherwillson4862 2 месяца назад +3

    My idea of good news would be for all my family to walk out of WT as free agents. And for WT to give a sincere apology for all its lies & 140 yrs of tyrany & abuse, followed by divviying up its remaining funds & assets, to be divided up to all the people they have abused, especially as kids, then to see their doors close forever, while they recede into distant memory!!!
    Surviving, you are a masterful speaker, with a silken voice. But, try as I might,...my eyes glaze over when you quote WT! It is pure torture to listen to. You have my condolences for having to listen to the convention! Its like you took a bullet for those of us who just cant listen to that load of crap. 💩 It is mind blowing that people nod along to that bs! Good news my 🫏!

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks Heather! LOL, the voice makes up for the face LOL! I know....just reading that stuff care wear me out.....exhausting

  • @emilypeters3774
    @emilypeters3774 2 месяца назад +1

    As a young JW I always had a HARD time imagining myself in “the new system” but decided as long as I chose which animal I would have (Koala, hands down) the rest would magically appear in my brain at some point🤣🤣🤣

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +1

      You weren't alone Emily, I think many of us had a very hard time imagining that fantasy. It makes no sense on so many levels and was completed fabricated by a nut job in 1935

  • @lawrencestoll6287
    @lawrencestoll6287 2 месяца назад

    Respect from Guyana, South America.

  • @marianvantol4989
    @marianvantol4989 2 месяца назад +8

    But the animals won't eat meat anymore, right? Except for the birds that will eat the corpses? Something's wrong there.🤔

  • @maritamyrvold163
    @maritamyrvold163 2 месяца назад +1

    Hi Stacey! Great episode as always. I do have a wish thought. You find and quote these amazing nuggets from WT or books and I wish you'd write the sources in the episode description here and on Spotify so I can easily find it and show some PIMI's.
    Like the WT article from this episode. I don't remember the year and month.

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +1

      Thank you for listening!! I've had some requests for that....I'll work on that to see if I can include references in written form. I should slow down and say them slower as well.... there is a way to transcript, I'll see what I can do!

  • @EL-IZ-At-BETH-sarim
    @EL-IZ-At-BETH-sarim 2 месяца назад +2

    O..good old Armageddon...
    I remember the hyped up members of my congregation when the pandemic started (the last of the last..shortly before..)
    And how devastated and gloomy they were after visiting their first in-person convention...(again!)
    I remember some of them really were depressed and couldn't understand why they had to 'endure' and wait for Jehovah for an unknown time😢
    (Proverbs 13:12)
    And I always felt very uncomfortable singing song 73...Jubilation about a coming destruction...😵‍💫

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      WOW, that is a memory!! Song 73! Yep, people getting excited when they see wars, earthquakes ...all knowing how it ends. Sick.

  • @freddyray6805
    @freddyray6805 2 месяца назад +11

    I avoid ex jw material these days but when I do look I always go to your channel and few others first. Good news for me is my family being happy and good health. Take care

    • @kalebbush5742
      @kalebbush5742 2 месяца назад

      I'll never understand how any JW justifies viewing apostate content. I always hope they do, but its funny when they try to have it both ways. Autonomy is a sin in the organization. Hope you'll take the time to look into stacy's podcast more.

    • @freddyray6805
      @freddyray6805 2 месяца назад +5

      @kalebbush5742 I think you got the wrong end of the stick sir. I don't mean I avoid watching "apostate" material I meant I don't watch exjw stuff in general that much anymore. It was a massive help for a long time but now it depresses me to remember how stagnant people are there in the organisation.

    • @kalebbush5742
      @kalebbush5742 2 месяца назад

      @@freddyray6805 Exjw's criticizing the organization is the literal definition of apostates according to the GB, lmao

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      Thanks for being here! I understand, there are times I desperately need a break from talking about it!

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      @@kalebbush5742 I sincerely hope people do listen to the message!

  • @Jeron_Benton
    @Jeron_Benton 2 месяца назад +3

    As always great video bro… it’s sad how jw’s waste their lives away on this paradise pipe dream that we know if it were true it would’ve happened a long time ago. I’m so glad people are waking up every week and leaving this cult by droves

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks Jeron....it's so sad. Keep hitting those irons! I remember when that was my life

  • @suziekew33
    @suziekew33 2 месяца назад

    Many HILARIOUS moments in this video, Stacy...while still making some striking points! Love your videos so much! Please keep them coming!! 😀❤⭐

  • @RY-rz5fg
    @RY-rz5fg 2 месяца назад +3

    Thanks Stacy, great work on your podcast. I'm only half way through the podcast but felt compelled to comment, I think that human beings need some type of hope. All the religions offer that. Having an imagination is actually healthy. That's why childhood is so fun. Doctors usually think it's healthy when kids have an imaginary friend. Or when you thought santa claus was real, it felt magical. The problem with the watchtower's fantasy is that it involve everyone else dying an agonizing death just so they can have the last " i told you so". I remenber hearing jeffrey jackson saying " its good news for us but not for them". Witnesses never think about the colossal destruction of billions of people that is involved in their fantasy. It will never happen, it actually makes no logical sense. The best thing to do is to avoid JWs at all cost. It will give you peace of mind.

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      This is a profound point and thank you for sharing it! That loss of hope cause so much pain when someone first decides to leave. There is a vacancy in people's lives. It's also how they trap so many into listening.....giving a false hope

  • @CandyMomOf3
    @CandyMomOf3 2 месяца назад +1

    Hello, it is my first time on your channel. As somebody who was born and raised in the cult and has experienced a lot of trauma from it … I enjoy listening to your videos and I enjoy the sarcasm and the jokes that you crack, thank you for creating content, and I look forward to watching more videos! ❤️‍🩹

  • @wildbill6366
    @wildbill6366 2 месяца назад +3

    Hey Stacey, I agree about these speakers on the convention.. they used to put their a list speakers out there but ones were pretty odd.. I understand there was like 70 videos.. I think they're relying more on the videos and not the boring speakers.. a lot of people said the same thing , nobody said best convention ever.. but I am glad the couples had the Angel helping them drive through the mud puddle in the car..😂😂😂😂😂 😆 haha..

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      It's wild to watch for us oldtimers! They have no personality, everything is manuscript and monitors. It's Orwell's 1984!!

  • @deborahrosefistner6421
    @deborahrosefistner6421 2 месяца назад +10

    Satan has been using the same thing since the fall in the garden, our HUMAN EMOTIONS!

    • @adamantiumbullet9215
      @adamantiumbullet9215 2 месяца назад +2

      The Garden of Eden is an allegory.
      That fictional story mentions neither Satan or the Devil.

    • @HerefortheLove
      @HerefortheLove 2 месяца назад +1

      @@adamantiumbullet9215what? Please explain more. Never heard of the word allegory.

    • @CherylArsenault123
      @CherylArsenault123 2 месяца назад

      @@adamantiumbullet9215
      That is not true!
      You'd have to be a born again, led by the Holy Spirit to know the truth, not of men but of God. God's word is the truth. John 17:17.
      That OLD SERPENT is the serpent from the garden that deceived Eve.
      Revelation 12:9
      King James Version
      9 And the great dragon was cast out, that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    • @adamantiumbullet9215
      @adamantiumbullet9215 2 месяца назад +3

      @@HerefortheLove
      As a literary device or artistic form, an allegory is a narrative or visual representation in which a character, place, or event can be interpreted to represent a meaning with moral or political significance.
      The biblical Garden of Eden story is a plagiarized version of the Sumerian writings that pre-dated the Bible by 1,200 years. The Biblical writer(s) responsible for the Adam and Eve fable simply borrowed it from another culture.
      Jewish scholars have always recognized the Adam and Eve myth for what it is- an allegory.

    • @adamantiumbullet9215
      @adamantiumbullet9215 2 месяца назад

      @@CherylArsenault123
      You should get out more. Have you actually challenged your biblical beliefs with critical thinking and evidence? Try it sometime, unless you don't actually care about the truth.
      *"That OLD SERPENT is the serpent from the garden that deceived Eve."*
      Prove it. If you had actually done some research BEFORE latching onto your beliefs, you'd know that it was not until long after the Bible's writing was completed that believers began teaching that the serpent was Satan. In fact, the fictional character of the Devil/Satan was gradually woven into biblical mythology as biblical writers got more creative with their story telling. But, I doubt that matters much to you. You quoted John 17:17 about truth. Maybe if you were more interested in truth vs. faith, you might actually learn something, then you'd be able to let go of the fantasies you hold so dear.

  • @MrisaVigil
    @MrisaVigil 2 месяца назад +2

    Ill also add that Im pretty sure focusing on style at conventions over the talks helped me leave somewhat. Having fun with mybpeers made me feel normal and made me crave more normalcy.

  • @jackijax505
    @jackijax505 2 месяца назад +6

    First 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

    • @rivertherenegade
      @rivertherenegade 2 месяца назад +2

      I was waiting up for this episode 🤣

  • @sgt.v7237
    @sgt.v7237 2 месяца назад

    You got it right, Stacey. Obey or die! What a message. It's the order of the day for JW's.
    The GB9 has placed themselves above Jesus and God themselves. They've made the message so unappealing who would want to be a part of it. No wonder half of every congregation is depressed.....literally.

  • @harrieelias5756
    @harrieelias5756 2 месяца назад +2

    The worst cult in the world.

  • @ooklathemok7322
    @ooklathemok7322 2 месяца назад +2

    First of all, Bible chronology shows that since the autumn of 1914 C.E. we have been living in the “last days” of this system of things. Jesus Christ indicated that these “last days” would not extend beyond the life-span of the generation seeing their start. (Matt. 24:34) Hence, at least some people who witnessed the horrors of World War I will see the complete end of government by imperfect men and the bringing in of prosperity under the kingdom of God. Watchtower 19/1/1972 page 582-83

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      Love it ookla!! With each passing day, today's JW forgets these references, written as fact in the '70's. Just another century and more lies

  • @geraldlatchman4583
    @geraldlatchman4583 2 месяца назад +2

    Well if that's " good news " what's the bad news ???, 🔥HELL🔥???, oops my bad 😢

  • @MW-rn1vg
    @MW-rn1vg 2 месяца назад

    Omg Stacey you crack me up 🤣 when you said your podcast partner, I spit my food because I knew what you were gonna say 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @soundthealarm83
    @soundthealarm83 2 месяца назад +1

    If after a billion years of perfection youre still going "oh wow I have no aches, pains, or blemishes" something is seriously off.
    Also you forgot about going over the statue in the Daniel book for the umpteenth time as seen in Watchtower illustrations

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      That statue needs an entire episode. Not to mention the entire book of Daniel is known to be a fake and added to Bible canon many years after the fact. But it's still a good story!

  • @randyg.7940
    @randyg.7940 2 месяца назад +6

    1st

  • @georgebrown8312
    @georgebrown8312 2 месяца назад +2

    What a fantasy that the Watchtower Society is spewing to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus Christ never said anything about restoring paradise to this earth. Thank you for this eye-opening video and your satire.

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      The biggest lie they tell....and a lie invented in 1935.....everyone nods along, but never stops to think Jesus forgot to tell us all about this 'paradise'

  • @sgt.v7237
    @sgt.v7237 2 месяца назад

    Y'all can do that garden salad thing if you like. I'll be running a BBQ and rib joint down on the bayou 😋

    • @AronBaddoPacas
      @AronBaddoPacas 2 месяца назад

      BBQ in paradise? With all of those basket of fruits, picnics??
      Apostate 🤭

  • @ooklathemok7322
    @ooklathemok7322 2 месяца назад +2

    My first post is what was forced down our throats as kids by our parents and elders at the kh. Now audiences are told they are in the last days of the last days. Same message 50 years later. Get out and live your life. These guys have no special knowledge!

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      Only those of us old enough to remember this can relate....that sick feeling in your stomach when you realize nothing has changed.....same scam!

    • @ooklathemok7322
      @ooklathemok7322 2 месяца назад

      @@survivingparadisepodcast So think about this for a moment. The book "children" written by Rutherford an released in 1941. Was anti children and anti marriage. If anyone doesn't believe me copies are available. In 1973 the kids who were raised up with the "children" book were in their mid 40s to early 50s. Most lost the opportunity to have kids. Can you imagine what was going thru their head as 1975 came and went. They were victims of the watchtower nonsense long before we were. Now they are gone and forgotten so sad. Now these guys have the nerve to say once again we are living in the last days of the last days. Let that sink in jws.I need to go take a blood pressure pill.

  • @mauricedotson5547
    @mauricedotson5547 2 месяца назад

    3 PET MONKEYS AND A SALAD BOWL🤣😅🤣😂🤣😅

  • @ooklathemok7322
    @ooklathemok7322 2 месяца назад +1

    Sorry the article was 10/1/1972

  • @LindaPluck
    @LindaPluck 2 месяца назад +2

    I don't like 2Be Free I Like 2Be Told What 2Do I was A Wife Ha!!🎉😂❤

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад +1

      LOL, well that's okay if it works for your family!

    • @LindaPluck
      @LindaPluck 2 месяца назад +1

      @@survivingparadisepodcast No Not Really as I'm a Single Mom & I Am the Only Boss but I'd 😂 Love a Break 😀 & Say When Dad Gets Home 🏡 Ya's Are Gonna Get it & in Trouble!😉🤭🥳🤩🤣🎉🥰

  • @Reyseer.25
    @Reyseer.25 Месяц назад

    Revelation 3:9
    [9]Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

  • @juliehigbee7398
    @juliehigbee7398 2 месяца назад

    Cheese danish and Shasta 😂

  • @OneOfManyTonies
    @OneOfManyTonies 2 месяца назад +1

    3rd

  • @MrisaVigil
    @MrisaVigil 2 месяца назад +1

    You need zeal to preach well feom the stand. Maybe the ones with heart all left?

    • @survivingparadisepodcast
      @survivingparadisepodcast  2 месяца назад

      I feel as thought most of the best teachers/speakers I knew have all left. They're left with guys that can read manuscripts

  • @danial6109
    @danial6109 2 месяца назад

    Nobody knows the day or the hour , Matthew 24:36 . On October 21, 2018 , Sunday , I saw the number 78 in the number 666( 6x6x6 + 18 divided by 3 ; Revelation 13:18 , 13 x 18 divided by 3 ) . When I added the 78 to 1945 and saw 2023 , I felt fear and tore up the paper I was using to do the numbers . 1914 to 2023 , 109 years . 19 + 14 = 33 ; 20 + 23 = 43 ; 43 minus 33 = 10 . Say 109 x 10 = 1090 ; 10 + 90 = 100 x 24(day) x 60(hour) = 144000 , Revelation 14:1 . Matthew 24:36 ; say 24 36 + 2520 days(Seven Times ; Daniel 4:16 ; Ezekiel 4:6 ) = 4956 divided by 2 = 2478 minus 669 (my father died at 78 in 2007 ; 2007 divided by 3 = 669 ) = 1809 , birth of the 16th president , the '' great emancipator '' . Matthew 24:36 ; say 24 + 36 = 60 + 1963(me) = 2023(Israel) . Say 24 x 36 = 864 + 60 = 924 divided by 2 = 462 + 1451(birth of Christopher Columbus) ; also + 1492(New World) ; also + 1506(death of Columbus) . 1913 and 1954 and 1968(1929,birth of my father, plus 2007 divided by 2) . 1913 + 1954 + 1968 = 5835 divided by 3 = 1945 . Revelation 14:20 , 1600( distance is analogous to time) . Say 1x6x0x0 + 7 = 7 + 1600 = 1607 , the Jamestown Virginia Colony was founded .

  • @godlyentertainmentlive9161
    @godlyentertainmentlive9161 2 месяца назад +3

    Watchtower: "the end is near. We are in the last of the last days"
    The bible: the gospel must be spread across the whole earth and THEN the end will come.
    Seems like we got a couple more centuries to go before end.
    Watchtower: jesus began ruling in 1914
    The bible: jesus says to pilate HIS kingdom is not from this world. (implying jesus is already a king in heaven)
    Jesus says to his father "glorify ME with the glory I had WITH you BEFORE the beginning of the world. (Implying jesus already had honour, worship, and praise BEFORE the world began)
    Watchtower: satan was cast out of heaven in 1914
    The bible: jesus says he beheld saran falling from heaven like lightning. (So jesus is speaking in the past tense about satan galling from heaven)
    Later jesus resurrects and says to apostles "NOW the Ruler of THIS world has been thrown out" (jesus telling his disciples that satan was even cast out of the earth) which if that's the case this means that all the evil that occurs after that point is the fault of man. Which means Jw's CAN'T keep blaming the devil for all of humanity's problems. After all if everything is Satan's fault how can god judge humanity. After all jesus did not blame or condemn the actions of people who were demon possessed. How could he? They couldn't control their actions.
    Watchtower: Jehovah will judge the world and he is greater than his son is all apsects
    The bible: being called the son of God makes him equal to god.
    according to John chapter 5 all judgement is committed to jesus so that we may honor him JUST AS we honor the father. So jesus is supposed to receive the same honor that the father receives.
    Also in john chapter 5 jesus does what he sees the father doing in the SAME WAY. Jesus must be a perfect copy cat. So the father makes a planet then jesus makes a planet. The father makes a galaxy then jesus makes a galaxy. The father makes a universe then jesus makes a universe.
    The father resurrects the dead and jesus resurrects the dead. The father forgives sin and jesus forgives sin. So whats the difference between jesus and the father? According to Hebrews jesus is the EXACT expression/image of God. So he's a perfect copy? Yet somehow he's lesser than his father in every regard?
    Watchtower: jesus is a created being.
    Bible: John, Paul, and the author of hebrews all say ALL THINGS are created THROUGH, BY, and FOR Jesus. Paul in collosians even says jesus is PREEMINENT and BEFORE ALL THINGS. Hebrews chapter 1 tells us he is the radiance of his glory and the EXACT representation of God's nature and upholds ALL THINGS by the word of his power.
    John. Tells us all things are made through jesus and not even ONE thing is made without jesus. So anything that came into creation only appears if jesus is present?!?! I wonder if this includes time as well?!?! Isn't time a creation of God? If it is then jesus is before time as well since all things only come into being if he is present. Did jesus create himself or was he always present with his father. Perhaps jesus is eternal as well??? Paul seems to believe this since he claims jesus is PREEMINENT and BEFORE ALL THINGS in collosians.

    • @HerefortheLove
      @HerefortheLove 2 месяца назад +1

      This is some good stuff. 😮

    • @Jesus_Christ_Conquers
      @Jesus_Christ_Conquers 2 месяца назад +1

      Mind if I copy and save. Very good and well done!✝

    • @Jesus_Christ_Conquers
      @Jesus_Christ_Conquers 2 месяца назад +1

      Something to add at another conversation as well for those jw that believe that the business corporation, I mean organization is God’s only channel to communicate to the rest on mankind on earth.

    • @Jesus_Christ_Conquers
      @Jesus_Christ_Conquers 2 месяца назад +2

      @@HerefortheLove Yes it is!✝

    • @godlyentertainmentlive9161
      @godlyentertainmentlive9161 2 месяца назад

      ​@@Jesus_Christ_Conquers
      John chapter 1
      Hebrews chapter 1
      Collosians chapter 1
      While you're at it, look into how jews used the word firstborn and what preeminent means. You'll find that firstborn did not always mean first child to be born. It was used to also describe someone who would become an inheritor or someone who is first in rank, stature, or important. Paul says jesus is the firstborn of creation but then claims in that same chapter jesus is before all things.
      So one must ask did Paul contradict himself or is our definitions or interpretations for the passage off?
      This is where becoming knowledgeable in language and how words change overtime also affect scripture because an individuals understanding may be based on modern definitions rather than how people of the ancient world used these words.