Solving the Three Body Problem

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    The three body problem is famous for being impossible to solve. But actually it's been solved many times, and in ingenious ways. Some of those solutions are incredibly useful, and some are incredibly bizarre.
    Hosted by Matt O'Dowd
    Written by Matt O'Dowd
    Graphics by Leonardo Scholzer & Adriano Leal
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    Physics - and arguably all of science changed forever in 1687 when Isaac Newton published his Principia. Within it were equations of motion and gravity that transformed our erratic-seeming cosmos into a perfectly tuned machine of clockwork predictability. Given the current positions and velocities of the bodies of the solar system, Newton’s equations could be used in principle be used to calculate their locations at any distant time, future or past. I say “in principle” because the reality isn’t so simple. Despite the beauty of Newton’s equations, they lead to a simple solution for planetary motion in only one case - when two and only two bodies orbit each other sans any other gravitational influence in the universe. Add just one more body and in most cases all motion becomes fundamentally chaotic - there exists no simple solution. This is the three-body problem, and we’ve been trying to solve it for over 300 years.
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Комментарии • 2,5 тыс.

  • @GoldenMinotaur
    @GoldenMinotaur Месяц назад +1467

    Bet this video has had its best viewership numbers yet this past week

    • @MrGencyExit64
      @MrGencyExit64 Месяц назад +23

      You're the only comment less than 3 years old, so probably not :)

    • @andykjm
      @andykjm Месяц назад +18

      Show isn’t popular enough IMO

    • @DomskiPlays
      @DomskiPlays Месяц назад +29

      Oh 100% I'm not even embarassed to admit that series is the only reason I clicked on this 😂

    • @mikemcc1156
      @mikemcc1156 Месяц назад +1

      Haha yeah

    • @Ziplock9000
      @Ziplock9000 Месяц назад +2

      @@MrGencyExit64 Views != Coments

  • @TariqulIslam-le1my
    @TariqulIslam-le1my 3 года назад +2114

    "We are not impressed, and you're still worms" - Trisolaris

  • @JobvanderZwan
    @JobvanderZwan 4 года назад +1994

    "The first to do so was Euler" because of course he was

    • @justgame5508
      @justgame5508 4 года назад +332

      Job van der Zwan ahaha I thought the exact same thing, whats the adage ‘In mathematics, theory’s are named after the second person who discovers them, otherwise everything would be named after Euler’

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 4 года назад +20

      Old good Lenny, always good for a theorem!

    • @alansmithee419
      @alansmithee419 4 года назад +61

      @@justgame5508 or Gauss. But certainly more often Euler.

    • @CosmiaNebula
      @CosmiaNebula 4 года назад +147

      Someone could make a RUclips account with Euler's icon and just post "First" on all the math videos

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 4 года назад +54

      @@alansmithee419 Who publishes ton of material and can compute really well? Euler. Who publishes ton of material and can't really compute? Cauchy. Who doesn't publish and criticize everybody else who does publish? Gauss!

  • @deusexaethera
    @deusexaethera 4 года назад +3652

    The universe's preferred solution for the Three Body Problem is to eject one of the bodies from the system.

    • @arik_dev
      @arik_dev 4 года назад +433

      Every time the simulation runs low on RAM, a body is ejected from a trinary system.

    • @sverkere
      @sverkere 4 года назад +61

      Not if one of the bodies is heavy compared to the others.

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera 4 года назад +74

      @@sverkere: That is one of the special scenarios that has been solved.

    • @sverkere
      @sverkere 4 года назад +31

      @@deusexaethera There is also symmetry. If the initial conditions are setup up in a symmetrical way then that symmetry will be respected. Then again ejections will not happen. In a computer simulations one could see an ejection but it is only about chaos and the limited numerical precision or/and poor integration algorithm.
      These stable zones are well known in electrodynamics for example.

    • @deusexaethera
      @deusexaethera 4 года назад +33

      @@sverkere: That is also considered a special scenario because it requires intentional preconfiguration -- or astoundingly good luck -- for such a scenario to exist in the real world.

  • @dodid0
    @dodid0 4 года назад +2337

    PBS space time have an amazing effect on me: They both make me feel bad for not pursuing studies in Astronomy (my true passion) and also make me feel good for not having pursued studies in Astronomy

    • @sahinyasar9119
      @sahinyasar9119 4 года назад +14

      me either

    • @danielgrizzlus3950
      @danielgrizzlus3950 4 года назад +103

      This is exactly how I feel. I study computer science but I find myself picking astronomy and astrophysics related courses as optionals and enjoying them far more than the mandatory computer science courses for my degree. I wonder if I chose right, or if I can still salvage something from my decision

    • @cerebralm
      @cerebralm 4 года назад +87

      a superposition if you will

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 4 года назад +57

      I regret not becoming the James Webb Space Telescope :-(

    • @s3cr3tpassword
      @s3cr3tpassword 4 года назад +32

      Daniel Medveď if you have a degree you can join in on astrophysics research group. I’m a PhD student right now and my astrophysics friends essentially do stuff like ML on galaxy clusters. Which is just CS stuff.
      If you’re willing to put in effort to learning the astrophysics lingo and equations you can easily join in on astrophysics research

  • @chestersnap
    @chestersnap 4 года назад +1354

    Pre-modern-day-computer-space-travel is so impressive to me. To calculate that stuff out by hand sounds like hell

    • @robertsteinbeiss8478
      @robertsteinbeiss8478 4 года назад +49

      fuuuuuuun for some ... 🤔🤪

    • @moosemaimer
      @moosemaimer 4 года назад +152

      The spice extends life. The spice expands consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel.

    • @damienmcmurray9786
      @damienmcmurray9786 4 года назад +10

      Gotta use all four holes

    • @christosvoskresye
      @christosvoskresye 4 года назад +46

      (1) When planning, for instance, the Pioneer or Voyager or Mariner missions, they would simplify the trajectories to pieces of conic sections. It wasn't perfect, but then it couldn't be perfect anyhow, and the calculations could be done with a slide rule.
      (2) Also, digital electronic computers -- though weak by modern standards -- already existed before Sputnik.

    • @gh8447
      @gh8447 4 года назад +9

      @@damienmcmurray9786 Wait... whaaaat?

  • @enemyofthethrone
    @enemyofthethrone 3 месяца назад +378

    Do not answer.
    Do not answer.
    DO NOT ANSWER.

    • @mabaker
      @mabaker Месяц назад +3

      Horrible book and Netflix series with no logic behind it.

    • @eamonreidy9534
      @eamonreidy9534 Месяц назад +16

      @@mabaker have you ever thought that by claiming to author anthropomorphised plot elements that you yourself are anthropomorphising as you still think of and see reality though your biohuman lense. It's honestly a silly criticism if you consider it properly

    • @bran_rx
      @bran_rx Месяц назад +7

      ​@@mabakerDepends... cause I loved the series, concept and all.

    • @zntshp5690
      @zntshp5690 Месяц назад +4

      ​@@mabaker "Horrible book without logic" said someone who didn't even know the existence of the "rememberance of earth's past" series just one month ago.
      Netflix's series was horrible and illogical though.

    • @conwaylai8562
      @conwaylai8562 Месяц назад +1

      Well, it was done by D&D, so was not unexpected.

  • @pintpullinggeek
    @pintpullinggeek 2 года назад +180

    "....with Newton's other great invention, calculus."
    Leibniz grumbles in the corner.

    • @BPHAbishekP
      @BPHAbishekP 2 года назад +16

      They both did it independently, so Newton is also it's inventor

    • @ChaineYTXF
      @ChaineYTXF 3 месяца назад +3

      He's a lawyer, he'll sue

    • @dannygjk
      @dannygjk Месяц назад +3

      I can't believe the Brits don't have the maturity to admit that Leibniz did a lot of important work in that field. No wonder I'm not subscribed. I guess I'm just envious because Newton invented the universe.

    • @Engy_Wuck
      @Engy_Wuck Месяц назад

      @@dannygjk just ask an american. According to US internet consensus Tesla invented everything from the wheel to nuclear fusion. Probably including sliced bread.

    • @CornetTheory
      @CornetTheory Месяц назад

      In a video about how approximating the answer can be useful, he is just approximating the inventor of calculus for time.

  • @jameshansen1903
    @jameshansen1903 4 года назад +952

    6:37 The people who did those calculations by hand _were_ computers. The word computer used to be a job title.

    • @commodoreNZ
      @commodoreNZ 4 года назад +64

      Primarily by women on large scales as it was deemed as menial as typing

    • @FreakWithGun
      @FreakWithGun 4 года назад +27

      Was that because they were.. computing..?

    • @tofu_golem
      @tofu_golem 4 года назад +39

      Thank goodness the movie Hidden Figures finally made that fact common knowledge.

    • @Radonatos
      @Radonatos 4 года назад +30

      And that's why he explicitely says "artificial computers" at 6:35

    • @peikkojumala
      @peikkojumala 4 года назад

      I think "counter" would have been better.

  • @allenamenbesetzt
    @allenamenbesetzt 4 года назад +857

    [Trisolaris wants to know your location]

    • @fireheadmx
      @fireheadmx 4 года назад +17

      I'm in 8 minutes too late

    • @ChrisChoi123
      @ChrisChoi123 4 года назад +97

      Trisolaris has already sent sophons headed Matt's way

    • @TheRishijoesanu
      @TheRishijoesanu 4 года назад +34

      Eeek! A Sophon!

    • @makismakiavelis5718
      @makismakiavelis5718 4 года назад +22

      @@fireheadmx
      I started listening to an audiobook version recently. I am in chapter 7 and still no idea what this book is about. I frequently hear the occasional science buzzwords like "quantum physics", "nanotechnology", etc. that intrigue me and keep me interested but I listen to it when I go to bed at which point I am too tired to listen more than 10 minutes at once and I usually fall asleep.

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 4 года назад +5

      so close..

  • @Phobos_Anomaly
    @Phobos_Anomaly 4 года назад +263

    It is absolutely amazing to me to learn that Lagrange points were first discovered not necessarily because of their utility or for any reason we find them interesting today, but simply because they represented points in a 3-body system for which it was actually possible to calculate solutions to the problem. I just love how much the branches of human discovery and knowledge feed off of one another -
    "Here's an interesting way to have a comprehensible 3-body problem! Oh, we can also park space craft in these places, too!"

    • @walshrd
      @walshrd Месяц назад +1

      Euler discovered the 3 collinear points and Lagrange discovered the 2 equilateral points. The 5 equilibria are NOT collectively called the Lagrange points. The media gets this wrong...as per usual. These equilibria are solutions to the equations of motion (written in a rotating frame of reference) when the infinitesimal 3rd body has no motion and stays in place.

    • @Engy_Wuck
      @Engy_Wuck Месяц назад +4

      well, the L4 and L5 points (the equilateral ones) aren't primarily used for spacecraft but contain "trojan" asteroids, especially for the sun-jupiter system. These were discovered after the Lagrange prediction, but quite a bit before mankind thought about spacecraft. Even earth is now known to have two of these "trojans", and there's an accumulation of space dust there in the Earth-Moon-system. They are only somewhat stable due to coriolis effects.
      L1, L2 and L3 (the Euler ones) aren't stable, because there's a force away from them if you are the slightest bit offset from them. There are quasi-stable orbits *around* them, though, but for long-term stability you need to put in some effort for station keeping, i.e. course corrections. There appears to be one known L3 asteroid, Crantor, in the Sun-Uranus system, but with large orbit around it and a stability of maybe a few ten thousand years.

    • @GWaters-xr1fv
      @GWaters-xr1fv 25 дней назад

      @@Engy_Wuck All good points. Interestingly, I would add, the James Webb Space Telescope is located ( purposely ) at L2 . As you say, station keeping, ( using say hydrazine gas jets ), is still necessary, but minimized because of the cancellation of the Earth-Sun gravitational forces at L2 . As well, L2 is an excellent spot for the telescope because it can remain always pointed directly away from the Sun and the Earth, allowing the sensitive instruments to have the darkest possible field of view.

    • @walshrd
      @walshrd 13 дней назад

      @@GWaters-xr1fv The JW telescope is not located AT the Euler collinear point L2, it is in a 3D HALO ORBIT around L2. The orbit is unstable dynamically (as shown by the mathematics that describe it). Thus, some stationkeeping is required to keep in on the "nominal" (mission) halo orbit. If there is no stationkeeping, the JW will leave the vicinity of its halo orbit and (more or less) take a straight path toward the earth paralleling the earth-sun line. Fortunately, very little propellant is required for this orbit control. Vernier thruster bursts are used to keep JW "near" its nominal orbit. Only several bursts per orbit are needed.

    • @GWaters-xr1fv
      @GWaters-xr1fv 9 дней назад

      @@walshrd Excellent clarification. Thanks !

  • @robopsychology
    @robopsychology 4 года назад +279

    As many commenters also pointed out, The three body problem is also the title of an amazing sci-fi novel by Liu Cixin... I would definitely recommend it to anyone enjoying this channel.
    The author mentions some pretty weird and imaginative "applications" of particle physics by advanced alien civilizations. He also mentions a very interesting hypothesis on why we haven't made any contact yet with any alien civilization.
    Perhaps you would like to comment on this imaginative trilogy?

    • @k8tina
      @k8tina Год назад +10

      I need to read this series. Thanks for the suggestion!!

    • @KleptomaniacJames
      @KleptomaniacJames Год назад +8

      There is a book called “the killing star” in which humanity advances to the point of post scarcity and all is well.
      Only to be wiped out by a civilization dominated by their own machine intelligence. It is, to my knowledge the first book on the dark forest hypothesis by Stephen hawking iirc.

    • @cthulhuwu_
      @cthulhuwu_ Год назад +8

      ​@@KleptomaniacJames The first book to cover the dark forest is maybe The Forge of God by Greg Bear. The dark forest hypothesis does not come from Hawking though. He expressed fears about aliens, but so have many other people before him. Despite this fear, he still supported efforts to make contact with extraterrestrial intelligence so he clearly didn't believe it.

    • @KleptomaniacJames
      @KleptomaniacJames Год назад

      @@cthulhuwu_ woops

    • @gwen9939
      @gwen9939 Год назад +7

      I'm on the 2nd book right now. I think the premise is great and the initial ways that was presented in the first book were really good, but I just dislike Liu Cixin as a writer, and is on multiple occasions saying things that are just scientifically incorrect. He especially has a lot of subconscious biases about people/human nature/society that doesn't make his depictions of those very believable.

  • @Ideophagous
    @Ideophagous 4 года назад +651

    Just as I was reading The Three-Body Problem by Cixin Liu. Absolute masterpiece! Welcome to the world of Three-Body!

    • @nitrox5915
      @nitrox5915 2 года назад +69

      He's a bit weak in characters but man, the science! Absolutely blown away. Infact, the sun radio resonance was so convincing that I had to actually look it up to make sure it wasn't a real thing.

    • @danthe1st
      @danthe1st 2 года назад +21

      I just looked for that comment.

    • @Codysdab
      @Codysdab 2 года назад +37

      Now, can PBS Space Time solve the Dark Forest Problem?

    • @shefalinigam3912
      @shefalinigam3912 2 года назад +5

      @@nitrox5915 please tell me what's the sun radio resonance you're talking about and find it epic
      Curious child here

    • @InsecureCreator
      @InsecureCreator 2 года назад +21

      The countdown scenes made me genuinely terrified.

  • @adamrasmussen3521
    @adamrasmussen3521 4 года назад +773

    Actually, you don't have to handle them separately. Whenever I have a three body problem I just dump them in the same grave.

    • @Tom-fh3zg
      @Tom-fh3zg 4 года назад +25

      Yeah me too, it's just easier. Sometimes you need a second grave if they're all fat and you've got up to 5 of them.

    • @tallmikbcroft6937
      @tallmikbcroft6937 4 года назад +25

      The same grave.. .. in a'Dark Forest' maybe?

    • @skyvoux2686
      @skyvoux2686 4 года назад +38

      *FBI WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*

    • @john-or9cf
      @john-or9cf 4 года назад +10

      Adam Rasmussen Except Luca Brazii - he sleeps with the fishes...

    • @martiddy
      @martiddy 4 года назад +4

      Hol' up!

  • @joemarz2264
    @joemarz2264 4 года назад +332

    When 3 bodies eject one of them, it's called a friend zone.

    • @user-yv2cz8oj1k
      @user-yv2cz8oj1k 4 года назад +10

      As good a name as any other scientific term. 🤣

    • @brucelee7782
      @brucelee7782 4 месяца назад +4

      story of my life

    • @sahiljindal
      @sahiljindal Месяц назад +1

      And the third planet was third wheeling 😝😂

  • @nomandates9186
    @nomandates9186 Месяц назад +13

    After watching this, it seems like the Trisolarans could have guesstimated their planet's position fairly well.

    • @arealmlc
      @arealmlc 8 дней назад +1

      Especially if they are competent enough to build a planet-sized supercomputer in 10 dimensions and fold it up to the size of proton in 3 dimensions. That math seems like it'd be infinitely harder than figuring out gravitational interactions of three stars in a system.

  • @lastsilhouette85
    @lastsilhouette85 4 года назад +194

    After years of watching this series, I can actually understand all the mathematical and technical jargon being used. This makes me super happeh! Thanks guys!

    • @brokentombot
      @brokentombot 4 года назад +11

      I'm like that too. This channel makes me able to pass as an astrophysicist at parties.

    • @lonestarr1490
      @lonestarr1490 4 года назад +14

      @@brokentombot Before or after everyone is wasted as fuck?

    • @zwz.zdenek
      @zwz.zdenek 4 года назад +3

      @@brokentombot You say it as if it were a virtue. Believe me, being considered a science guy is a huge buzz kill.

    • @brokentombot
      @brokentombot 4 года назад +6

      @@zwz.zdenek You must hang out with Zoolander.

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 3 года назад +2

      Congrats - knowledge rocks. :-)

  • @Snowsnaype
    @Snowsnaype 4 года назад +293

    Just seeing the title is giving me PTSD. flashbacks to reading cixin lui's masterwork series.
    Cleanse well. Hide well.

    • @opheliapoppy7653
      @opheliapoppy7653 4 года назад +7

      Snowsnaype imo excellent series tho.

    • @victorhs258
      @victorhs258 4 года назад +25

      @@opheliapoppy7653 It blew my mind to find out that Obama reviewed the book.

    • @bruce6rt
      @bruce6rt 4 года назад +18

      It's a dark forest out there mate!

    • @tranl1050
      @tranl1050 4 года назад +7

      A well written series. No more need be said

    • @TearsOfHeroin
      @TearsOfHeroin 3 года назад +8

      Imagine if trisolaris are real and they found human actually has the answer to 3 body problem. Maybe mankind and trisolaris can have a harmony start.

  • @gxharrypotterdvd25
    @gxharrypotterdvd25 4 года назад +62

    8:23 His right hand shows that planetary bodies aren't the only masses that bounced back and forth

    • @ejb7969
      @ejb7969 2 года назад +3

      Most video presenters directly into the camera do ridiculous things with their hands.

    • @kraeutemall
      @kraeutemall 2 года назад +3

      I briefly thought about making it a GIF loop. But that would be stupid.

    • @ChaineYTXF
      @ChaineYTXF 3 месяца назад

      try spealing to a camera. You will feel stupid very quickly😅

  • @Shakazulu09
    @Shakazulu09 Месяц назад +206

    Netflix has landed me here

  • @VeganBrainFood
    @VeganBrainFood 4 года назад +113

    Anybody else get super excited that he was talking about the Cixin Liu sci-fi series? If you haven't read it yet you're missing out on one of the greatest pieces of literature, not just sci-fi, but some of the greatest writing I've encountered in modern times. And the plot is positively mind blowing.

    • @EvenTheDogAgrees
      @EvenTheDogAgrees 4 года назад +15

      Yup. He doesn't write good characters, but culturally that's to be expected in a way. But the ideas, the plot. Whoah, that was something else. Easily one of the best reads of the last decade in my book.
      In the meantime I've discovered Alastair Reynolds (if you don't know him, but seen Love, Death & Robots on Netflix: he's the author of "Beyond the Aquila Rift" and "Zima Blue"). Started with his House of Suns because I wanted something standalone in case it wasn't my kind of thing. When I was about halfway through the book, I bought the Revelation Space novels as well. If you haven't read him already, look him up, it might tickle you in the same way it did me. ;)

    • @VeganBrainFood
      @VeganBrainFood 4 года назад +2

      @Auspicious Dog Fur Pattern THANK YOU! I'm on the last book in the series and not looking forward to being done! Are his short stories part of a larger collection?

    • @VeganBrainFood
      @VeganBrainFood 4 года назад +2

      @Auspicious Dog Fur Pattern Wait whaaaat? Another Three Body Problem book by someone other than Cixin Liu? Isn't that blasphemy? Will check out The Wanering Earth stories, thank you!

    • @johannaweichsel3602
      @johannaweichsel3602 4 года назад +2

      I watched this video because of the title lol

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 3 года назад +2

      Wow - I'm going to have to check this out. The fictional series that has most impressed me to date is "The Dresden Files," by Jim Butcher. Urban fantasy, so if you're not into that maybe it's not for you, but if you are, don't miss out - it is AMAZING. Books 16 and 17 dropped earlier this year - 17 just a few days ago. One word of warning, though - generally speaking each book is a full stand-alone story, but 16 is not. 16 and 17 really tell one complete story, so just go in prepared for that. I found it really good from book #1, but some people don't care that much for #1 and #2. So if you aren't totally impressed by those - don't give up. Try to get at least to book 5 or 6 before you throw in the towel.

  • @massimookissed1023
    @massimookissed1023 4 года назад +173

    7:50 Because Euler has enough stuff named after himself already.

    • @mina86
      @mina86 4 года назад +8

      That's just Stigler's law.

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 4 года назад +1

      @@mina86 Thanks for the share. Didn't know that one.

    • @tuele4302
      @tuele4302 4 года назад

      @@mina86 Not really. We have evidence that Euler was extremely productive.

    • @discomfort5760
      @discomfort5760 4 года назад +5

      @@tuele4302 As a layman computer programmer myself, Euler rocks! All real engineers should have a poster of him above the bed.

    • @tuele4302
      @tuele4302 4 года назад +1

      Massimo O'Kissed Leonard Euler was a truly remarkable mathematician.

  • @ethannguyen2754
    @ethannguyen2754 3 года назад +58

    “The first was Euler”
    Me : Of course it was.

  • @frozencanuck3521
    @frozencanuck3521 Месяц назад +46

    Netflix brought me here

  • @dominicmcg2368
    @dominicmcg2368 4 года назад +153

    Quick, someone notify Listener 1379, there may yet be time to stop the fleet...

    • @wolfenstinehoffman5753
      @wolfenstinehoffman5753 4 года назад +30

      Shut up sophon

    • @OwenDavies83
      @OwenDavies83 4 года назад +18

      I don't want to live in Australia

    • @kevinware3268
      @kevinware3268 4 года назад +9

      Matt O'Dowd is a wallfacer!

    • @OwenDavies83
      @OwenDavies83 4 года назад +14

      @@kevinware3268 Hes already 2D!

    • @ChBrahm
      @ChBrahm 3 года назад +12

      Your comment has been deemed highly reactionary!
      Due to this I can no longer adress you as _Comrade_
      And a cadre will show up shortly to take you to a reeducation camp
      Please do not resist

  • @carlose.carrenoy.8533
    @carlose.carrenoy.8533 4 года назад +48

    0:05 I thought he was gonna said: "Actually, super easy, barely an inconvenience" LOL... Love this channel too...

  • @n0ame1u1
    @n0ame1u1 3 года назад +9

    Before this video, I had only heard of statistical mechanics from the following textbook quote that was being shared as a meme:
    "Ludwig Boltzmann, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand. Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933. Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics."

  • @TheZeedler
    @TheZeedler 3 года назад +4

    Matt, you do such a good job, man. Thanks so much for these videos.

  • @spudhead169
    @spudhead169 4 года назад +75

    The double pendulum springs to mind here as a similar chaotic system.

    • @november8039
      @november8039 4 года назад +4

      In fact I think this channel used that as an analogy in a related video

    • @CTOOFBOOGLE
      @CTOOFBOOGLE 4 года назад +7

      In many ways that system is directly comparable to the three body problem. Excellent comparison!

    • @Vastin
      @Vastin 2 года назад +8

      I think it's closely related mathematically as the top fulcrum point forms the third 'body' in a double pendulum?

    • @roygalaasen
      @roygalaasen Месяц назад +1

      @@VastinI think so too. Just lock the view to one of the bodies and I assume the rest have exactly the same behaviour as a double pendulum
      Edit: I just came up with a reason why what I said above is actually wrong. Pendulums are rigid in that they have fixed distances from each other, so they are not exactly the same. My assumption must have been wrong.

  • @gl1500ctv
    @gl1500ctv 4 года назад +26

    Thanks for helping me overcome the Dunning-Kruger effect: I now know much more about what I don't have a clue about.

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 3 года назад +7

      :-) It is humbling, isn't it? I consider myself a smart person, and it's fair to say that "learning is my hobby." I'm 57 and have been pouring over RUclips and other net material for years, pushing the limits of my physics knowledge and so on. But it's clear that the finish line will forever elude me. Good thing I enjoy it. Maybe it will at least hold Alzheimer's at bay.

  • @srglmr
    @srglmr 3 года назад +7

    RUclips algorithm knows me well , suggesting Matt’s videos only if i’m going to sleep

  • @darkmage07070777
    @darkmage07070777 4 года назад +6

    This is why I love this channel so much. One episode, I'm exploring the boundaries of what current science can teach us, the next I'm learning the truth about principles I thought I knew from grade school.
    One question I have: would Sundman's convergent series solution potentially be practically solvable using quantum computing?

    • @kimrick8560
      @kimrick8560 4 года назад

      Yer smart. I'm so stupid I don't even know how stupid I am.

    • @riccardoorlando2262
      @riccardoorlando2262 3 года назад

      Almost surely not, but I would have to brush up my complex analysis to be slightly more sure and even then, quantum computing is so new there might be no one in the world with the understanding required to answer your question with certainty, yet.

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 3 года назад

      Well, the PRINCIPLE is pretty straightforward. It's just the numerical complexity that comes in with three significant masses that makes it crazy involved.

  • @Thesunscreen
    @Thesunscreen 4 года назад +44

    Finally they collaborate!
    Great things will come of this

    • @harriehausenman8623
      @harriehausenman8623 4 года назад +3

      Can't wait for more. They are really inspiring each other.

    • @ladchap2794
      @ladchap2794 2 года назад

      Love the fermilab videos also!

  • @vee.m
    @vee.m 4 года назад +64

    I like Dr. Lincoln from Fermilab. He's a cool dude

    • @b43xoit
      @b43xoit 4 года назад +5

      I like his friendly and collegial description of how the two presenters are kindred spirits even though they hadn't met before the collab.

  • @markricker44
    @markricker44 2 года назад +1

    I've been watching PBS Spacetime for YEARS and this is the first episode that I was able to follow and understand all the way through to the end.

  • @listonrice5230
    @listonrice5230 2 года назад +1

    Came here from a TED vid on the same topic.
    Y'all's is way, way better.
    Thanks for your always-excellent material!

  • @TheRishijoesanu
    @TheRishijoesanu 4 года назад +87

    I just finished reading The Dark Forest today! This cant be a coincidence
    Edit: Please don't spoil the novels in the comments

    • @mina86
      @mina86 4 года назад +9

      It can. And it is...

    • @scottbrown2252
      @scottbrown2252 4 года назад +3

      @@mina86 and it must.

    • @itisALWAYSR.A.
      @itisALWAYSR.A. 4 года назад +23

      I have basically accepted Dark Forest as being the truthful answer to the Fermi Paradox. Far as I'm concerned, it's the logical conclusion, however distasteful.
      Enjoy Death's End!!

    • @sankhyohalder97
      @sankhyohalder97 4 года назад +7

      Dark Forest is completely useless as a filter, for the reason being that hiding a civilization in space is nearly impossible with decent sensors.

    • @Snowsnaype
      @Snowsnaype 4 года назад +12

      @@sankhyohalder97 hide well. Cleanse well.

  • @thingsiplay
    @thingsiplay 4 года назад +11

    "… in fact, by many hands." - ahaha I died

  • @787darkshadow787
    @787darkshadow787 4 года назад

    I love the way the ellipse was precessing in the example of the analytic solutions

  • @ldmcnutt
    @ldmcnutt 4 года назад +1

    Right on! I watch both of you guys. More collaborations please!!!

  • @DaGavinX
    @DaGavinX 4 года назад +24

    How to solve:
    1. Gather a crowd of people
    2. Teach them how to roughly simulate how a computer works.
    3. Use them for calculations.
    4. Success.

    • @christanner9070
      @christanner9070 4 года назад +8

      It would be a shame if they were forced to dehydrate....

    • @jorgetlw12
      @jorgetlw12 4 года назад

      *step 5: profit

    • @brokentombot
      @brokentombot 4 года назад

      You're a slave driver!

    • @TheRishijoesanu
      @TheRishijoesanu 4 года назад

      Shut von Nuemann

    • @johannaweichsel3602
      @johannaweichsel3602 4 года назад

      Ok, gonna need like 6 million flags, 3 million people, some horses, maybe some watchtowers? Whatever makes the big guy happy.

  • @estebancamacho2282
    @estebancamacho2282 4 года назад +33

    Matt!!! great episode! It would be awesome if you do a science fact check on the Earth´s Remembrance Trilogy. For example, the Unfolding of the proton on 'The Three Body Problem', the 'Dark Forest' Theory as a solution to the Fermi Paradox, as well as the concept of the Black Domain (from Death's End).
    Anyway, I also think you'd make a great wallfacer...

    • @ultearmilkojohn1145
      @ultearmilkojohn1145 3 года назад +5

      None of that is known to possible. "Unfolding a proton" was based off the idea of having many extra dimensions, which are theorized in string theory, but afaik would not be at all similar to Three Body. Their method of instantaneous communication using entangled particles is also incorrect. The Dark Forest theory is possible, and is legit if we assume the axioms to be true. Finally, the black domain would be true if we could slow down the speed of light in a certain area, which is not remotely possible by human standards. Obviously collapsing dimensions is also not based off of known physics.
      I don't think he would be a good wallfacer. Even the wallfacers that failed were insane geniuses.

    • @Vastin
      @Vastin 2 года назад +4

      @@ultearmilkojohn1145 There's a lot of science in the Earth's Remembrance trilogy that is either wildly speculative or just outright unlikely given our current knowledge of our universe - but its such an incredibly imaginative story, and the way its concepts aggressively play off of the far edges of our current science in such thought provoking ways earns it a welcome seat at the table of sci-fi greats.

    • @ultearmilkojohn1145
      @ultearmilkojohn1145 2 года назад +1

      @@Vastin Yeah of course, I thought it was insanely well written (and translated), was just responding to that guy's question. I would be interested in seeing a refutation of The Dark Forest theory that doesn't rely on another Fermi paradox solution though

    • @Vastin
      @Vastin 2 года назад +2

      ​@@ultearmilkojohn1145 There are a number of likely refutations. One is the simple amount of energy and effort that is likely to be required given the physics we DO know, to engage in this kind of silent-killer warfare. The other is that if sublight travel is never trivialized, then the competition for 'space' in the universe is likely to be minimal. DF also assumes that intelligent life is VERY common, which is probably not likely.

    • @Vastin
      @Vastin 2 года назад +3

      In short, if life were to only arise in, say, 1 out of 10,000 star systems, and both FTL and lightspeed travel is essentially impossible, then its unlikely that any species would feel the survival need to colonize more than a handful of systems (due to cost, difficulty, lack of necessity), meaning the need to take an aggressively competitive/paranoid stance is not present. If life were to be so common as to appear in 1 out of 10 systems though, that could get ugly.

  • @grant4735
    @grant4735 3 года назад +2

    you guys are doing really great things for the internet.

  • @TheFLOW1978
    @TheFLOW1978 4 года назад

    I'm a proud subscriber to both channels. Thank you for all your work.

  • @rafaellisboa8493
    @rafaellisboa8493 4 года назад +5

    oh yeah I love these, I am currently studying the subject of differential equations, if you were to make more videos about the interesting uses of them in physics that would make me very happy :)

  • @ErgoCogita
    @ErgoCogita 4 года назад +4

    This. This is what I love about PBSST. Taking a seemingly simple concept and showing how it just isn't while making it's complexity understandable.

  • @Ryan_Perrin
    @Ryan_Perrin 4 года назад +1

    I personally have not done the three body problem, but I have done the two body and many body (classical and quantum, I do research on quantum many body).. I imagine having a very large object may stabilize the problem..
    And now I'm hearing about this as I type it. Great video!

  • @sussurroabissale8565
    @sussurroabissale8565 2 года назад

    That's amzing. I have seen already the figuere 8 shaped one and i love it

  • @MousePad00
    @MousePad00 6 месяцев назад +4

    Dehydration seems to be a solution apparently :/

  • @shadoah
    @shadoah 2 года назад +4

    the best way to survive a three body problem is to dehydrate for an age or two.

  • @kennethhicks2113
    @kennethhicks2113 4 года назад

    Enjoyed the collaboration and topic. Ty

  • @dcy665
    @dcy665 4 года назад

    Nicely done. Perfect solutions for conditions that are useless in the normal experience. Except your experiences are way beyond normal.

  • @b.griffin317
    @b.griffin317 4 года назад +41

    1:35 "his other great invention, calculus" ut oh, here we go. 😬 🤣

    • @nibblrrr7124
      @nibblrrr7124 4 года назад +18

      *Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz* is typing...
      *Eudoxus of Cnidus* has joined the chat.
      *Zu Gengzhi* has joined the chat.

    • @asagoldsmith3328
      @asagoldsmith3328 4 года назад +7

      @@nibblrrr7124 *Archimedes has entered the chat*

    • @Eisenwulf666
      @Eisenwulf666 4 года назад +3

      If i am not mistaken we also have written evidence ancient egyptians had some idea about calculus,so yeah, not really newton's invention. He was a freaking genius nonetheless

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 4 года назад +2

      @@nibblrrr7124 Gottfried always gets triggered. Isaac already set up a committee consisting of himself, Isaac Newton and Sir Newton and that committee decided that Sir Isaac Newton has priority over GFL!

    • @matthewparker9276
      @matthewparker9276 4 года назад +2

      Just because someone else did it better, doesn't mean that Newton didn't invent calculus.

  • @vsevolodnedora7779
    @vsevolodnedora7779 4 года назад +7

    Just read the book Three-Body Problem by Liu Cixin, based on the fact that the problem has no solution for any initial condition. And here is the video...
    Guys, you are amazing. Thank you for your work!

  • @ntdscherer
    @ntdscherer 4 года назад

    I think he answered all those questions in one take. Nicely done.

  • @Unit-3475
    @Unit-3475 Год назад +5

    Trisolaris fought on the solution for millions of years.
    Someone gets's solution in 16 minutes.

    • @Bruhsaurus-Moment
      @Bruhsaurus-Moment Месяц назад +1

      One win for the bugs, zero for the seething xenos.

  • @WeissM89
    @WeissM89 4 года назад +4

    8:55 I imagined something like this as I tried a way to figure out a solution; I even put my fingers in a triangle to visualise it. I imagined the three bodies as vertices of a triangle, each side representing its gravitational interaction, with their respective centres of mass being the midpoints of the edges, and the overall centre of mass being the barycentre. I guess the solution would take an integration of the gravitational forces at infinitesimally small time intervals.

  • @SolaceEasy
    @SolaceEasy 4 года назад +44

    "Physics is everything, in Spacetime."

    • @CraftyF0X
      @CraftyF0X 4 года назад +1

      Yea the COMBO !

    • @quicksilver3431
      @quicksilver3431 4 года назад

      Actually it's not

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 3 года назад

      @@quicksilver3431 I agree. It's self-evidently obvious that we have free will, and science is not equipped to deal with "uncaused effects." Somewhere in the operation of it all is the place our free will first touches the material world, and science can't quantify the "cause" part of that causal event. The only way science could deal with that would be to consider those effects "random."
      Oh - wait a minute... ;-)

  • @mho...
    @mho... 4 года назад +8

    thats the best fact about physics xD
    "we discovered solutions for a big problem : useless solutions, but solutions nonetheless"
    generations later:
    "it IS useful afterall"!

  • @antonioluismarcoburgos8117
    @antonioluismarcoburgos8117 Год назад

    This is great stuff! Congrats!

  • @ryanbogucki9062
    @ryanbogucki9062 4 года назад +7

    Do the three body patterns mapped on a shape sphere have anything in common? Is there any sort of underlying "rule" that they all follow, that if known, would be able to produce any possible orbital pattern?

  • @ptredhead
    @ptredhead 4 года назад +8

    Luo Ji save us!

  • @godofchaoskhorne5043
    @godofchaoskhorne5043 2 года назад +4

    Nice, we should tell the trisolarans

  • @attilao
    @attilao 4 года назад

    Love the guest speaker. You should do this more often.

  • @gregfrantsen6478
    @gregfrantsen6478 4 года назад +13

    Could a 2-body system be run backwards to determine if there was a third body ejected at some time in the past and, if so, could it's current location/speed/heading be determined?

    • @jbonemastaflash6852
      @jbonemastaflash6852 Год назад +2

      idk man probably

    • @dmtc6913
      @dmtc6913 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@jbonemastaflash6852I second that wholeheartedly

  • @winstonknowitall4181
    @winstonknowitall4181 4 года назад +180

    Yeah, I know this one. But I thought it was called "threesome". When you add a third body to a system, the system becomes chaotic and almost always over time one body would get ejected.

  • @PeculiarNotions
    @PeculiarNotions 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this explanation.

  • @peterb9481
    @peterb9481 10 месяцев назад

    Interesting!
    I remember studying the mathematician who thought he discovered a solution to the three body problem, only to find himself wrong, leading to the discovery of chaos theory.
    Interesting to find a solution is possible and practical approximate solutions too.
    Good answers with Fermilab!!!

  • @AK-ny5bz
    @AK-ny5bz 4 года назад +265

    Even in nature it's just like Human Love triangle. Two stick together and 3rd one gets ejected.

    • @Erica-ye7kp
      @Erica-ye7kp 4 года назад +4

      Lmao u right

    • @hybridwafer
      @hybridwafer 4 года назад +49

      Yeah it's the 3 buddy problem.

    • @Vasharan
      @Vasharan 4 года назад +72

      You just have to stay in the stable Lagrange Points, also known as the Friendzone.

    • @Adraria8
      @Adraria8 4 года назад +11

      V is for Void Or the figure eight known as a threesome

    • @unvergebeneid
      @unvergebeneid 4 года назад +21

      Fuck, I'm a human rogue planet.

  • @pauldavies6
    @pauldavies6 4 года назад +70

    My wife pointed out lots of problems when i tried to introduce a third body

  • @CamiloSanchez1979
    @CamiloSanchez1979 4 года назад

    So cool to see cross over videos of space time and fermilab. I watch these videos tirelessly and go to bed at night trying to imagine the true nature of a hydrogen atom

  • @gregoryashton
    @gregoryashton 3 года назад +2

    This is a much better video than the 5 minute Ted Talk I just watched yesterday on the same topic.

    • @gregoryashton
      @gregoryashton 3 года назад +1

      This one ruclips.net/video/D89ngRr4uZg/видео.html

  • @ElusiveTruth
    @ElusiveTruth 2 года назад +8

    "Aprroximated with an exact analytical solution..."
    1. Approximations
    2. Assumptions
    3. Integrations
    4. Simulations
    There is a reason they call it a "Problem"

  • @demarcoroyes526
    @demarcoroyes526 Год назад +5

    someone send this video to the trisolarins

  • @ericblakenburg5380
    @ericblakenburg5380 Год назад +1

    Very informative! Some basics I alrdy knew but with the drawcalls and such really good to know.
    Just wondering: what are some 2D games that really inspire you artwise and gameplay wise? Just finished Islets and loved how simple yet effective it was drawn.

  • @kloggmonkey
    @kloggmonkey 4 года назад

    i don't know why i keep coming back to this channel; i don't understand a thing!
    sometimes i leave it on when i go to sleep cause the videos are quite soothing, or perhaps i'm hoping i'll be able to sleep-learn something. like the mozart effect or something or other.

  • @justsuperdad
    @justsuperdad 4 года назад +3

    The sweeping orbits in the graphics remind me of the star orbits we have tracked around our super massive black hole.

  • @RelativelyBest
    @RelativelyBest Год назад +26

    I had a three body problem once, and I can confirm that moving all of them is is really difficult.

    • @relatvity
      @relatvity 9 месяцев назад +1

      Hey are names are very similar. I am assuming you are a fan of the theories of relativity special or otherwise?

    • @RelativelyBest
      @RelativelyBest 9 месяцев назад

      @@relatvity Well, not particularly. Also that's an old name I haven't used for quite some time. (My handle is supposed to be Fervidor.) Though, apparently some people can still see it. I _think_ it has to do with what sort of device you're using.

  • @jajhsj2760
    @jajhsj2760 Год назад

    Strong force and representation of entrophy at stellar scales

  • @xboscarx
    @xboscarx Год назад +2

    Me reading The Three Body Problem and this popping up on my recommended videos

  • @TrappedinaBrain
    @TrappedinaBrain 4 года назад +11

    8:39 Imagine that we discover 3 stars orbiting each other in one of these configurations

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 4 года назад +1

      It's unstable.

    • @NoOne-qi4tb
      @NoOne-qi4tb 2 года назад

      @@u.v.s.5583 why?

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 2 года назад

      @@NoOne-qi4tb Star systems are not isolated, they get perturbed all the time, and many perturbations are significant. So it is not sufficient for an orbit to be asymptotically stable in mathematical sense for it to exist for any prolonged time period in astronomical sense. We might find such a configuration, but then it would be a short lived result of some amazing and very recent coincidence.

    • @NoOne-qi4tb
      @NoOne-qi4tb 2 года назад

      @@u.v.s.5583 does like a 1 cm pull every year seriously ruin that?

    • @u.v.s.5583
      @u.v.s.5583 2 года назад

      @@NoOne-qi4tb That not. But where will you find a region in the space in which you don't ever ever get significantly more pull during hundreds of millions of years / billions of years?

  • @davidhollenshead4892
    @davidhollenshead4892 4 года назад +45

    I remember working with the 3rd body problem in college, using my own code & old fortran code. However I limited it to only three bodies...

    • @SahilP2648
      @SahilP2648 4 года назад +9

      You should take a look at p5.js and Processing (processing.org). Using that, you can write middle level graphics code and you can programmatically create n-bodies and also make them behave like planets. The simulation will run at

    • @mashrien
      @mashrien 4 года назад +3

      @@SahilP2648 Post this somewhere if you do. I do a lot of coding, but non-scientific.. Would be interesting to see. Except the js part, ..|., js. C++ or C#/.NET or gtfo.

    • @SahilP2648
      @SahilP2648 4 года назад +5

      @@mashrien I have coded in Java, python and C#. I don't get why you don't like Java though. C# and Java are pretty similar. I am never gonna touch C++ though. That is the stuff of nightmares.

    • @SahilP2648
      @SahilP2648 4 года назад +3

      @@mashrien ok so I did some digging around and I found a project where this guy has implemented a processing n-body simulation, I took the code, ran it and outputted in video format: ruclips.net/video/JPFdgCpIUbs/видео.html Processing actually has a tool to convert images to video which I had forgotten about. Full credit goes to him: github.com/mcnuttandrew/n-body-simulator

    • @noahwilliams8996
      @noahwilliams8996 4 года назад +2

      I remember trying to write a simulator for this in python in high schoold I couldn't figure out an answer for just two bodies that respected conservation of energy.

  • @nothingfreeanymore
    @nothingfreeanymore Месяц назад +1

    I once found myself in a three body problem 😮 as you stated at the end. As I followed the dynamics, I also tried to find solutions.
    But it came to the same end, as one body evenually got ejected.

  • @loungewear13
    @loungewear13 3 года назад

    Thank you PBS. The answers I was looking for.

  • @cyzhouhk
    @cyzhouhk 4 года назад +23

    This reminds me of the book on my bedside, "三體" by Cixin Liu,
    in English, The Three Body Problem

  • @dmaster254
    @dmaster254 4 года назад +15

    I was already subscribed to Fermi Lab before this

    • @michaelblacktree
      @michaelblacktree 4 года назад

      Same here. IMO, both are excellent channels.

    • @alexmcknight51
      @alexmcknight51 4 года назад

      Sorry, I'm all out of medals.

    • @KipIngram
      @KipIngram 3 года назад

      I generally like the Fermi Lab guy. I saw one of his videos, though, that I took issue with. I think it had to do with how it turns out that geometric optics works. When an atom in a piece of material (glass, water, etc.) falls back to its ground state and emits a new photon, there is no directional preference - the photons are equally likely to go in all directions. But somehow the *beam* winds up going in the direction predicted by Snell's Law. The right way to understand this is using quantum electrodynamics - if you add up all of the quantum amplitudes, of all the atoms emitting photons in all directions, then everything cancels out except for in the Snell's Law direction. But somehow (I can't recall the details) the video managed to make a complete mess of this. I think the video was about whether the speed of light slows down in materials. It doesn't - whenever a photon is moving it's moving at c. But the delays introduced by all the absorption and re-emission events creates an "effective reduced speed." Anyway, that's the only video I've seen of his that I thought was less than fully accurate.

  • @AinsleyHarriott1
    @AinsleyHarriott1 3 года назад

    Thank you for your work Matt I love you

  • @DisfigurmentOfUs
    @DisfigurmentOfUs 3 года назад

    Exceptional, thank you!

  • @jason0joon
    @jason0joon Год назад +5

    Trisolarans have entered the chat

  • @Lashb1ade
    @Lashb1ade 3 года назад +3

    "The Three Body Problem is perfectly solved, Uselessly, or for seemingly Useless and bizarre orbits." Nice.

  • @flaviusventel
    @flaviusventel 2 года назад

    Love this channel. Great great stuff

  • @rishavsharma2349
    @rishavsharma2349 25 дней назад

    The most beautiful thing about 3 body problem is that it makes us realise how there are deterministic events that humans cannot comprehend.
    Just like how dogs can never use tools.

  • @eval_is_evil
    @eval_is_evil 4 года назад +90

    Useless trivia: PRINCIPIA ...pre-renaissance pronunciation would be PRINKIPIA. (It means 'beginnings')
    There I contributed something now i feel less inadequate

    • @Ni999
      @Ni999 4 года назад +8

      No, you're absolutely right. It's bad enough that most contemporary physicists can't pronounce supernovae (hint: it ends with a long E, or even a short a (like tap) if you absolutely must submit to the modern revisionist international phonetics), not a long A, see the _ae_ grapheme for details), and there's no reason to let the Principia slip on top of that.
      This is what happens when Latin and Greek are removed from the general curricula.

    • @nenharma82
      @nenharma82 4 года назад +5

      Came here to look for this comment. Glad someone noticed.

    • @brokentombot
      @brokentombot 4 года назад +2

      What did you contribute?

    • @marius4iasi
      @marius4iasi 4 года назад +2

      Isn't it PRINCHIPIA?

    • @Ni999
      @Ni999 4 года назад

      @@marius4iasi
      _Talk:Principia Mathematica - Wikipedia_
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Principia_Mathematica#Pronunciation

  • @gingerdude94
    @gingerdude94 4 года назад +16

    Love PBS 👍

    • @Mosern1977
      @Mosern1977 4 года назад +1

      Fermilab is great as well.

  • @clarionwaves
    @clarionwaves 4 года назад +2

    The third body: you don't know what you've got til it's gone.

  • @torybruno7952
    @torybruno7952 Месяц назад

    Great video! More accurate to have said that it takes less energy to keep a satellite at a LaGrange point. L4 & 5 are stable. Hence the well known Jovian Trajans, asteroids that have been swept up and now precede and follow Jupiter in its orbital path. The others are not and, in practice, we actually ask the satellite to orbit L1, 2, or 3.

  • @debbieracheleperalta6066
    @debbieracheleperalta6066 4 месяца назад +5

    Alpha Centauri be like:👁👄👁

  • @john_hunter_
    @john_hunter_ 4 года назад +37

    8:39 it would be cool if a sci-fi show had solar systems with these kind of configurations.

    • @normalmighty
      @normalmighty 4 года назад +6

      I would love to read a scifi book based in a figure-8 system.
      I'd love to see the other systems too, but they look really difficult to easily describe as part of the setting for your novel.

    • @Well_Earned_Siesta
      @Well_Earned_Siesta 4 года назад +17

      Check out the sci-fi book Three-Body Problem, by Cixin Liu

    • @TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox
      @TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox 4 года назад +3

      @@Well_Earned_Siesta That one features the general, chaotic, analytically unsolvable case, which is the main plot point.

    • @neeneko
      @neeneko 4 года назад +1

      Niven's Fleet of Worlds involved a stable 5 body case.

    • @nagualdesign
      @nagualdesign 4 года назад +1

      @@normalmighty My first thought on seeing the figure eight system was to imagine what sort of crazy planetary systems are possible.
      Unfortunately, stars are invariably much larger than planets, so most of the really interesting 3-body solutions are probably impossible.
      Also, most planets are formed from the same accretion disk as their parent star, ruling out most of the more exotic solutions.
      _[Edit]_ In case it wasn't clear, the three bodies in the figure eight configuration had precisely the same mass and moved in exactly the same plane. It was stable in the sense of it being periodic and perpetual, but not at all stable in the sense of it being resistant to perturbation, so not really physically possible per se.

  • @pierrevillemaire-brooks4247
    @pierrevillemaire-brooks4247 4 года назад

    Great topic , wonderful presentation. Now tell me that all this knowledge is put to good use in particle physics !

  • @crowlsyong
    @crowlsyong Год назад

    Amazing show Matt/Pbs. And Hi Dr. Lincoln!