Why Google won't protect you from big brother: Christopher Soghoian at TEDxSanJoseCA 2012
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- Dubbed the Ralph Nader for the Internet Age by Wired Magazine, Christopher Soghoian is a researcher and advocate focused on improving privacy protections for individuals. He is particularly interested in how companies choose to either resist or facilitate surveillance of their customers. Soghoian has used the Freedom of Information Act as well as several other, unconventional investigative methods to shed light on the scale and methods of the U.S. government to spy on Internet communications and mobile telephones.
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Google?? Transparent?? Oh, wait... This video was published 7 years ago, when people still trusted Google.
Google won't protect you from Big Brother because Google IS BIG BROTHER.
A YELLOW CODED CURFEW IS NOW IN EFFECT THIS IS FOR YOUR PROTECTION. the opening scene of V for Vendetta.
Hard to even imagine how quickly tech is changing the landscape of our lives. Seven years wasn't that long ago. In most of history seven years means nothing. Now, it's enough time to alter a fraction of a generation forever with unknown consequences. It's time people make every attempt to stay anonymous in as much areas as possible. Except for the youngest of our generations. This is so normal to them that staying anonymous isn't even a thing. Or a thought.
It's trying at least. I mean you *can* take a look at the most of your data it keeps, but then what?
The worst thing google may have done is to cooperate with China 🇨🇳 in spying on their people, I don’t know the details. China is perfecting a surveillance state that could be used as a model for other countries. The intrusiveness goes far deeper than anything envisioned in Orwell’s “1984”.
Actually they are big sister
Oh boi. watching now and realising how simple it was back then and how much out of control the data collection has gone
if it's a free service, more than likely you are the product.
Not always 🙂.
Free software Foundation is a thing.
But yeah I agree with your point.
Google? Yeah, its a free service and big brother itself. Simple.
@@googleuser471 ģ
Now even grocery stores want you to have their "Rewards card" so they can track everything you buy from them.
Or stop you from buying it.
Thank You for the HardTalk on our individual security.... Especially where our children are concerned. Home education.
Oh yeah, until we bring Habeus Corpus back, our legal system is in ICU. Who's working on that one?
The question really is "Has technology made our lives better or worse." I would argue that it has made our lives just slightly better. There is still poverty, depression, wars, and now an online mob. Do we really want this technology even more in our lives?
Naively speaking, technology is good. But unfortunately the best tech is available to the worst people. Which means, once we develop nanobots that can cure, they will use them to exterminate certain races or subgroups. And you won't know it's happening because it will look like an ordinary disease. Or even something with mild symptoms. The more tech is available to the rotten powerful people, the worst for the society.
Does this still hold today?
Who are the transparency leaders in 2019?
China, The U.S. Resurgent
U>S>S>R>.
He's right you know. We should be paying 12 bucks to use face book instead of being spied on
If this doesn't work out as least 10 times as bad as all our "free/cheap" stuff from China, I'll eat my Great Value hat.
Oh yes! This is WHY we've started topishare.com. Great talk, and I wish more people knew about this.
is google not an nsa program to start with?
Justin Kaye as u said before, the CIA or NSA we’re first investors in/and always will be (I am guessing), in everything technological. Even telephones (as I understand), were “first” wired for surveillance long ago.. Fortunately, it is good to catch criminals;. Yet bad to have “backdoors” available for hackers and bad guys handy.
Alphabet Inc. Not like they are being subtle there...
if it shares with nsa. yes it is
well, the original ARPANET was a secure military communication system and the Internet is an evolution of that system.
Yes
I'd like to know how youtube decides what comments are worthy of being slotted into the top comments section,it can't be comments that are meaningful to the talking point of the video because the latest 'top comment' i'm seeing here is '...want that T-shirt'. Your comments section sucks youtube,we have to go to latest comments to try and find meaningful conversations and even then you get half of a conversation and when you want to see the comment a person was replying to it opens a new page.This obviously is not conducive to starting 'meaningful conversations'. At best the comments section updates are badly designed,..at worst they are a deliberate attempt to manipulate and censor certain opinions.
Likes and comments.
JFsebastian's bear that's cause google owns RUclips and they don't like this vid.
Thanks for making this excellent and important point, which applies well beyond this video.
Won't protect you from big brother?!?!?! Google IS big brother!!!
Sprint mysteriously canceled my anonymous pre paid phone. They said they couldn't help reinstate the account unless I gave them an Identity with an accompanying phone number and email, so they could "contact me"/attach a identity to the number. As for all the rest of big industries surveillance capitalism practices? Lets just say this video is over seven years old. We know know that personal info is power and control.
Thankyou for your research Christopher
And on this episode of "where quarantine lead me today"
Busted.
Uh huh.
I am rather concerned about how compagnies will protect our data from data breaches... and not that much about how the government might use it in situations I believe they are allowed and justified to do so. What if criminals get their hands on our data? They might do more harm than a government which has no interest in doing bad.
Google is NOT great.
I really am too nervous to comment about what I want to comment on here or even any comment of any sort so I'd rather comment this instead
I believe that ultimately the "Bots" will win.
Because we will become bots.
as an experienced secret agent i can, with assurance, state that all the companies allow us access without our needing to make a formal request.
Google WAS a transparent company but is no more.
Google was never transparent. Ask yourself where they get the initial funding and for what reason.
AT&T just bought and took ownership of Cricket as of March 13, 2014. That's the end of having any privacy on Cricket I would think.
Cricket was already the worst...
Looks like endorsing Google and Twitter! There is very simple business logic - sell your data to advertising giants and earn profit.
Sponsored by Google and Twitter. Probably bought a nice car after this speech.
The government has to have a mandate from a judge in order to ask data to the telephone company. Always. The mandate is always based on proven suspicions about an illegal act. And the motive behind the request is to prove (confirm or infirm) the suspicion.
So what is wrong with it? Is like we are asking for banning the witnesses from any court room, as that persons are reveling personal information when they are ask to testify.
excuse me..what are you saying...are you justifying what the government does in the name of justice..if so you are clearly deluded..what happens when they decide your the criminal and under the suspicion of an illegal act? Its a slippery slope...as far as im concerned the government are the worst kind of criminals..and its funny how upset they get when they are surveillanced..thank you wikileaks
Dude, the point of all this is if the government wanted to do away with people trying to break away from this "civilization", they would have everything they need to locate and take you out. Think about those countries that have been taken over by tyrants. First thing they do is eliminate all potential adversaries. That's just one example.
FInally. He lays out the simple reality of what we get for the services provided "free" with the real back-story, the "business model" where we are not aware of all the freedoms we may be sacrificing. Much like being married to a guy with a lot of secrets that keep the money rolling in. Who wants to make a choice to give that up? This is the clarion call to awareness of what you are paying for. Large data mining companies know you very well. Do you like that? Your choice.
1:30 I got to with the statement , product we keep in our pockets at all times! DUDE just don,t by a smart phone.Never had one never will problem solved.
"We are spied upon, because they help"
Um, no, not exactly. We are spied upon because the state wants the ability to be able to spy upon it's citizens and if these businesses defy the state, then does it not seem probable that the state would use whatever means to coerce their compliance or punish these businesses for disobeying the will of the state? Does no one remember what happened to Microsoft back in early 2000 I believe it was, when they were suddenly being audited for no apparent reason. Then Microsoft hired a bunch of lobbyists, having next to none beforehand, and what do ya know? No more auditing, just more lobbying.
Ulric Kessler
I'll google that. Never new that happened.
or stop using their phones altogether.
if u complaining why have facebook?
Surveillance capitalism has become a matter of national security. Everyone must be identified, tracked, monitored, and listened to, full time, in real time, by an AI for uh!? "Advertising purposes, and personal convenience"?
thank you for this great info.
Oh !! Big brother.
He is talking about Cricket wireless. It is a wholly owned subsidiary of AT&T. So AT&T is bad but Cricket is good. Shows how much research in his talk
This talk was done before at&t bought cricket. This talk was in 2012 n at&t bought cricket in 2014 I think
@@codyandrewjacksonavant thank you for the correction Cody. Appreciate it
Well said.
wow this talk was before edward snowden
Very well said!
Google is not transparent any more!
Drones are cheaper to operate than helicopters. George Orwell is one of my favorite writers. Check out Down and Out in London and Paris. Valerie Plame outed by Americans who didnt want us to know the truth.
It isn't big brother we're worried about it's the person that isn't apart of big brother buying information
Is this talk at Bellarmine College prep!???? It looks like the theatre
This video aged well.
"all companies must hand your data over to the government"......... What about apple?
Is this a serious question? I am just gonna assume it is. I (think i) get where you are coming from, with the latest FBI - Apple debacle and Tim Cook's open letter. Now i think this was a very bold and progressive move towards individual digital privacy, but it won't give you the full story. Celebrite has hacked iphone's since they became popular and have continued doing this at least up until ios 9.0.1. Of course Celebrite doesnt advertise this.
With all that, i think Apple is certainly making the right statement but i will not believe them blindly. They say their OS is completely secure, and nobody ( including them ) would be able to access it. I refuse to believe that, as everything has a weak spot and design flaws. Celebrite has shown us this. A Company is , and probably will remain, a company. It will try to make money until it dies tryin'...
PS. this Ted Talk is from 2012 , laws might have changed..
No difference between US laws and others
I need HELP.
How is this not viral? Is there a version with more views?
Because google controls what gets promoted.
Whistle every time he stopped talking and breathe to continue...but helpful video!
Gonga Like lol
Booger whistle
Well this is old, the leader in privacy is apple, and users don’t have to pay for it. They have tons of data but non accessible. And to this day is still in a fight with a government, who wants access to all encrypted data and Apple won’t give it. And stays on the top of security and privacy, I’m 20 and I do see this as a problem. At only 20 god knows how much google, Microsoft, banks, etc has on me. I’ve slowly been migrating more and more to Apple, currently switching to all iCloud mail. I’ve been working to limit as much but that would be impossible to eliminate, I could, but I’d have to live in a shack in the woods with no electricity, that’s not practical. Even then how am I going to get money? Id have to work. I’d have to find a little local business that deals entirely with paper. It’s a problem that will need addressed in my life time.
Fear Not. We still have the Bill of Rights don't we?
No.
~Why Google won't protect you from big Brother: Google IS Big Brother!
Does Windows and MAC do the same?
Yes
These are not free services if they are keeping and monetizing our data.
great thank you
Say what?
For the people by the people? Civil servant?
Use iPhone, Macbook, iPad, apple watch, duckduckgo search engine for best privacy and data protection is listed above.
Other options.
If you have windows 10 get Brave Broswer.
If you have Android get brave Broswer.
What about DuckDuckGo, where privacy _is_ the business model?
I CALL GOOGLE THE SPY ENGINE!
big data is big brother
I don't know who you are but thank you with all my heart! I have been trying to watch a couple of sites for the last 2 weeks and Google has put a warning pop-up that will not be or cannot be disabled it is part of an attack on us conservatives that has gone way overboard. I have watched these sites and read them for 2 years daily and now I cannot do anything on my cell. Your idea of DuckDuckGo was a lifesaver thank you, thank you for sharing the knowledge that you have.
Daulton Baird Big Pharma, Big Banks, Big Oil, Big Data, Big Climate... all the same tiny group of people.. Big Establishment aka Big Brother. The Bilderberg organizers.. the creators of the UN. Globalist dictatorship through and through.
@@EVOLCREATIVE or you could say Illuminati, Jews, etc.
15:10 We shouldn't have to pay for it though. Privacy is a 4th amendment RIGHT that should be honored but unfortunately isn't by our hijacked government.
That being said, "Freedom is not free."
Disconnect Premium is a great privacy app ive used for over two years on my iPhone which removes ads among other things but is a ~$50/year subscription service.
Signal and Wickr are both excellent privacy-centered messaging/calling/video-calling apps. Though Signal still requires an active phone number.
Apple, though they claim to protect your privacy in their privacy policy, they have been caught leaving major-obvious loopholes.
The NSA allegedly implants chips in our smartphones/iPhones to monitor us.
Even the privacy-designed Blackphone is probably not NSA-proof.
Electronic surveillance is a problem we can mitigate but not completely avoid.
I found this oddly settling
I have Sprint However I think I"m going to Change NOW !!! STUPID SPRINT
Well if we pay then there is no reason for mining someone make it a rule
Ive had Cricket phone service since '02. Im now very pleasantly surprised!
I'm sorry but at&t bought them in 2014...
@@melonaaah i was just saying that cuz i thought those were some cool facts about Cricket. Don't know how at&t buying them is relavent to my comment?
@@palmereldritch4166 because you are now being spied on even worse than Sprint and didn't you watch the video? They aren't cool "facts" anymore.
So basically get cricket and get privacy
I'm pretty sure AT&T owns cricket... So that's out the window.
You sound like Snow... guy
Robert Trujilo's cousin
Struggle extends to the IT world. Look at the damage done by Rupert Mudock.
Zuckerberg is an Android I'm sure of it. nobody has skin that colour and a face that emotionless. even DATA from Star Trek had more emotion and he is an android.
In a republic ruled by the people we should have no secrets, otherwise how can the people rule themselves. Through fear, pride and greed the American people have allowed this conversation and expense to enter society trying to find the right level of privacy, which is impossible. It will always be a source of big money for many companies taken from worried consumers. As we know, every lock can be broken eventually. I really resent how the American Bar Associatian encourages this expensive nonsense.
What do you mean? That average people should not have any expectation of privacy in their life, or that the government shouldn't have secret spying programs to watch everything everyone does?
The only right level of privacy is 100%. Encrypt your phone and hard drive, use Tor to browse the internet. Get Tor on your phone too. In America, we have the right to not be subjected to unreasonable search and seizure. Police cannot search your home or car without reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime, the same should apply to your digital property as well.
Matt T
As the Constitution says, We should ALL not just average people, have privacy of our homes. The government should not be allowed to set homes on fire to get the occupants to leave. No human is that dangerous to resort to such extreme measures. For 100 years our phone calls and mail were easily recorded by anyone that knew how. Sending a text is no different than speaking on the street where anyone can read your lips. Forget about the term "unreasonable search..." because that changes with every person you talk to. We either have privacy or not. The taxpayer should not be required to pay for security that is actually not security. If you want to pay for Tor then go for it because you're a free American.
Matt T Hi, Matt T...I have to say that while I agree fully with your comment above. While I haven't been a cop for quite some time, now, there could have been some changes made by the Supreme Court between the time I left law enforcement and now. However, the technicality I am speaking of hasn't changed as far as I know. There is a very important and distinct difference between the terms "reasonable suspicion" and "probable cause". Forgive me for not remembering all the Supreme Court case names (as I said, it's been quite some time since I've been an Officer, LOL) but one I DO remember is Terry vs. Ohio. A "Terry Search" is actually not a search at all but a simple "pat-down" or "frisk". All that is required is a "reasonable suspicion" An example is if you run out of gas and I'm going to take you to the gas station...I'd pat you down to make sure you don't have any weapons. Or, in a situation more related to the topic we're discussing, you come across a man hanging around an ATM wearing a long heavy trench coat when it's 97 degrees outside at noon. It's perfectly REASONABLE to SUSPECT he's up to no good. You have no evidence of a crime but it's clearly a suspicious situation. This is where things get tricky and may have changed...you pat him down looking for specific items...guns or weapons (obviously), or criminal tools such as a card reader, items that could be used to break into the ATM, etc. But, in the course of patting him down you find a bud of weed in his pocket and nothing else. You cannot arrest him or charge him with it because a little weed is clearly not one of the items you were specifically frisking him for. In order to charge him for it you would need to obtain a search warrant because you were looking for very specific items and a little bud is not something you could articulate to a court that you had a reasonable suspicion he had on him in this case. In your comment above the more appropriate wording would be "probable cause". The vast majority of searches require probable cause to conduct. In other words, you believe that a crime has or is being committed and have evidence of it. A good example in this case is during a traffic stop you smell weed in the car and see a stem and seeds in the ashtray. While seeds and stems are not illegal to possess, you have the odor of pot combined with them so you have probable cause to believe that there is actual pot in the car. You can obtain permission from the driver to search the car (and it's shocking how many people actually say yes, LOL), you could obtain a warrant, or, if you have reason to (suspended license, etc.) you can arrest the person and conduct a "search incident to arrest" where you may search the areas within the driver's reach. Normally, though, when you arrest the driver you normally need to have the car towed and what really gets people is the "vehicle inventory where you search everything in the entire car and document every item in case the person claims a theft occurred between the time he was arrested and when he recovers his car from the tow company. There is also an "exigent circumstances" search which I won't go into here because it's not really applicable to what you are saying. I apologize for the length of this response but I felt people need to be aware of their rights and also to note the distinct differences between a "Reasonable Suspicion" search and a "Probable Cause" search because the latter must meet a more stringent test than just suspicion. Take care, and people, if an Officer asks you if he can search your car, SAY "NO"! LOL!! If he has a legitimate reason to he will take you into custody and then do it rather than allowing him to go on a fishing expedition!
@@timsteinkamp2245 Come on. You can't be that naive. The people who own the United States don't care about constitution or human rights. They only care about becoming stronger and doing whatever they want. The rest is just a show for the audience.
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"G" is cahoots with big brother...
Do not talk and put EDWARD SNOWDEN on your phone and have his books audio books playing. It angers the low end that are on the other end. Get out 1$ bills and pay with only 1$ bills use no phone or tv and the system collapse.
We all know nowa days everything is controlled by GOV such as Media, phone Companies, Google, yahoo, hotmail, Facebook itself is CIA cuz it's invented by CIA and many many more stuff.
We as ppl need be smart, we have to use the above mentioned things for ordinary things not sensitive.
Use a VPN if you don’t want anyone tracking your IP activity...
And then the VPN provider knows everything you do.
Duh. The CIA was a 25% start-up investor of Google. Google it.
Facebook was started by the CIA and it is a very good place to keep an eye on people, their friends and their associates.
uhh so according to this dude duckduckgo.com is not possible?
possible, but profit will be a lot less. Also as long as you cannot investigate and control your data; just assume it is going to be leaked sooner or later. Not only govt are after personal information, there are a lot more interested parties to get the user data. Those parties will pay to get your/our data, while govt may don't pay the company for the data.
Sorry, it was a trick question....
paying, paying, paying.......
exactly.
Like RUclips? :0
Who else noticed this dudes nose wistleing
Yes, that is much more important than the info he's throwing down.
@@ThekiBoran mate i couldnt focus because of it well i could but i kept getting distracted
Of course they wont protect to what do you expect
You need to pin a mic to your shirt instead of right next to your nose.. All I hear between words is loud breathing.
Poor baby.
I always thought that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about. Every country Administration in the world spies on its people. Sometimes spying is justified to stop terrorists, pedophiles and all sorts of criminals and in am many cases spying is not justifying as there is no ground to do so. I fought corruption using the media who helped me very much, the police, and some politicians . I risked losing my own life and I took the challenges. Now I am very well known in my very big city and I have lots of respect for having done what I did and it was documented by some TV, Newspapers and magazine networks.
maybe terrorists are paid to fabricate events to have an excuse tospy on people
Cricket was bought out by AT&T so GG m8.
Viode publish in 21main 2012. Cricket get bought in 2014. GG M8
I am a retired Police Detective that has obtained Electronic Search Warrants. I had to prove to a Judge that probable cause existed
before a search warrant was signed. In many cases, it was necessary to obtained a sealed warrant.
It is a valuable tool that enable me to solve cases involving homicides, robberies, drug trafficking, etc. Sometimes its absolutely necessary.
To day the people accept this conditions. The secret is only utopian and comedy
surveillanceware
FB says take a number lol
**no offense jk just 110 to 25, boilerplate compliance... Implied...
Cricket..... here i come!
Don't do it.
Well i think its smart to prevent home grown terrorists like what heppened here in New Jersey and New York, the dutch oven bomber, i know exactly where his parents restaraunt is.
....want that T-shirt
I wonder why this has so low views. hehe
Dude needs to pick his nose and make that whistling stop...
Oh Sh-#.
Mad magazine spy vs.spy to the nth degree. ask m he know, that tp sophia just used. knows you dont like pickles n why.FEED ME SAID SEYMORE FEEEEED ME.
Tut tut. Go. Ogle ha ha
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Why do we care if companies have this information? Many crimes are solved with this information. Known criminals and terrorist cells can be tracked. Families of the victims of murders or violent crimes can use this information to prosecute. Missing persons can be triangulated with this information. Police once used live cell tower information to find a rape victim while she was actively being assaulted. Moreover, this information could be used to exonerate an innocent person from a crime. I believe subpoenas for this information are generally used for a good. If the creators of this information have it, it is their responsibility to provide it for that good. It's not an invasion of privacy unless someone is thumbing through my stored data just for fun and without cause. I believe we should be more concerned about the loss of information through data breaches/theft, insider carelessness, and poor security practices.
"It's not an invasion of privacy unless someone is thumbing through my stored data just for fun and without cause".... everyone has their own cause. Live cell phone tower cannot be obscure. Triangulate usually done with live data. Most of this talk about the data about internet use.
This talk about privacy and transparency. Do you like to be searched your house without proper court order and/or without letting you know; while your neighbors and land lord to keep quite about the search? May be not, right?
God I hate stupid idiots like you