Logarithmic nature of the brain 💡

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  • @ArtemKirsanov
    @ArtemKirsanov  2 года назад +25

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    • @adityakulkarni4549
      @adityakulkarni4549 Год назад +1

      @Artem Kirsanov the text at 15:03 doesn't seem to correspond to the biorxiv paper you have linked in the description 😅

  • @BiancaAguglia
    @BiancaAguglia 2 года назад +135

    Thank you for all the effort you put into your videos, Artem. You're doing a great job taking complex topics and making them easy to visualize and to understand.
    In case you're looking for topic suggestions for future videos, I have a few:
    1. curriculum you would follow if you had to start from scratch and wanted to teach yourself neuroscience (computational or, if you prefer, a different concentration)
    2. sources of information neuroscientists should follow in order to stay current with the research in the field (e.g. journals, labs, companies, people, etc)
    3. list of open problems in neuroscience
    Thank you again for your videos. Keep up the great work. 😊

    • @ArtemKirsanov
      @ArtemKirsanov  2 года назад +26

      Thank you for wonderful suggestions!
      Right now, I'm actually preparing the script for a video about getting started with computational neuroscience! So stay tuned ;)

    • @BiancaAguglia
      @BiancaAguglia 2 года назад +3

      @@ArtemKirsanov Thank you. I look forward to it. 🙂

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 2 года назад +1

      @@ArtemKirsanov Can you clarify how exsctly normal.dostrobtions arise eve tally even when you have wildly extreme and different values? Is it basically just evening out?

    • @iwanttwoscoops
      @iwanttwoscoops Год назад +1

      @@leif1075 pretty much! look at height; there's a wide variance, and in any town you can find a tiny person and a giant. But overall, most people are average height, and these outliers are rare. Hence normal

  • @aitor9185
    @aitor9185 Год назад +68

    Great video!
    Super happy to see my paper about neuron densities made it into this video 15:12 :)

    • @isaac10231
      @isaac10231 Год назад +4

      wow, the RUclips algorithm is crazy

  • @fabiopakk
    @fabiopakk 2 года назад +32

    Excellent video, Artem! I enjoy a lot watching your videos, they are incredibly well done and explained. I particularly liked the ones involving topology.

  • @umerghaffar4686
    @umerghaffar4686 Год назад +1

    I can’t believe this valuable information is available on YT for free!! I just finished my a level studies and am keen on biology and neuroscience so I loved the fact I got to see a computational perspective on the brain. Makes me wonder where else can the log-normal distributions be seen in the body or what other mathematical models can be deduced in Biological systems.
    Keep up!

  • @emmaodom7201
    @emmaodom7201 Год назад +4

    Wow you are such an effective communicator!!! Your insights were very clear and easy to understand

  • @omaryahia
    @omaryahia Год назад +2

    I am happy I didn't skip this video, and now I know another great channel for math and science
    thank you Artem
    great quality, and topics I am interested in

  • @giacomogalli2448
    @giacomogalli2448 Год назад +3

    Your videos are fantastic for anyone interested in neuroscience!
    I never studied it in depth but it's fascinating and I'm discovering it

  • @mukul98s
    @mukul98s 2 года назад +19

    I had studied advanced mathematics in my last semester but never understand the concept of random variables and distribution with that much clarity.
    Amazing video with great explanation.

  • @artscience9981
    @artscience9981 2 месяца назад

    Fantastic video! Two of my interests, probability, and brain operation, in one video. Very well-done explanation. Thank you Artem!

  • @alkeryn1700
    @alkeryn1700 Год назад +1

    once wrote a spiking neural net with around a million neurons
    some neurons would fire almost every iteration, some every 10 iteration, and some would average once every thousands.
    didn't bother to plot the distribution but that could have been fun.

  • @95VideoMan
    @95VideoMan Год назад +4

    Thanks! This is fascinating and useful information. You presented it so clearly, and the visuals were top notch. Really appreciate this work.

  • @Luper1billion
    @Luper1billion Год назад +1

    Its interesting because I thought the video would be able how the brain perceives information logarithmicly, but it actually shows its actually physically built logarithmicly as well.

  • @CoolDudeClem
    @CoolDudeClem Год назад +2

    I just want to probe the parts of my brain where the picture and sounds form so I can record my dreams and then play them back like a movie.

  • @horizn9982
    @horizn9982 9 месяцев назад

    Wow man amazing videos, I wanna do research as a computational neuroscientist and your content is really what I was looking for!

  • @buckrogers5331
    @buckrogers5331 Год назад +5

    I've been interested in brain science since I was a kid. This is definitely understandable to a 10 year old kid. Well done! More content please!! And you shud have more subscribers!!

    • @soymilkman
      @soymilkman Год назад +4

      damn you must be hella smart for a 10 yr old

  • @Treviisolion
    @Treviisolion Год назад

    The shape certainly makes some intuitive sense. Extremely short firing rates are more likely to be mistaken as random noise so a neuron wants to be above that limit. However, it doesn't want to be too far above it, because firing is energy-intensive and the brain is already a calorie-hungry organ. At the same time if information is encoded partially in the firing rate, then utilizing only a small subsection of possible firing rates is not information efficient, so neurons that need to be heard more often would be incentivized to use lower utilized firing rates as there is less noise in those channels. I don't know whether that explanation would necessarily result in a log-normal distribution as opposed to a low-median normal distribution, but it is interesting to see roughly the shape I was thinking emerge at the end.

  • @geodesic616
    @geodesic616 Год назад

    Why Guys like this are so under subscribed . Wish you success

  • @lambdo
    @lambdo 2 года назад +1

    Wonderful explanation of gaussian distribution

  • @Marquesremix
    @Marquesremix Год назад

    Your videos have a Good dinamic and didacts and the edictions is verry harmony, its really impressive why you not have 1 million of subscribers, more one subscriber from brazil 🇧🇷

  • @cynido
    @cynido Год назад +1

    Brain is the most complex and fundamental part of our body - Brain

  • @YonatanLoewenstein
    @YonatanLoewenstein Год назад

    Very nice!
    An explanation of why the distribution of firing rates in the cortex is log-normal can be found in Roxin, Alex, et al. "On the distribution of firing rates in networks of cortical neurons." Journal of Neuroscience 31.45 (2011): 16217-16226.

  • @wilsonbohman3543
    @wilsonbohman3543 Год назад

    i have a heavy background in audio production, and i figured this made a lot of sense given the logarithm nature of how we perceive sound, it’s cool to see that this is just inherent to our brains in general

  • @luwi8125
    @luwi8125 Год назад +1

    Thank you for a great video! Very interesting topic and very nice of you to show the article to make people more likely to actually look it up for themselves. 😀👍

  • @jpcf
    @jpcf Год назад

    High quality content here!

  • @isaacharton7851
    @isaacharton7851 Год назад

    Very productive vid. It inspires me to be productive as well.

  • @tringuyenuc2381
    @tringuyenuc2381 Год назад +1

    This is a very nice connection of logarithmic perception and biological features of humans. I wonder if there is an analogy explanation of the rule 70-30?

  • @abhishek101sim
    @abhishek101sim Год назад

    Helpful content, with a good lowering of entry barrier for someone uninitiated. I learned a lot. A small but important point: sum of independent random variables is not normally distributed, but mean of independent random variables is normally distributed.

    • @stipendi2511
      @stipendi2511 Год назад

      Technically you're right, since the limit of the sum of the random variables diverges. However, I don't think stressing that point helps with conceptual understanding, since in practice all sums are finite, and then the sum approximately resembles the SHAPE of a normal distribution. Once you normalize it, which is what taking the mean does, you obtain a probability distribution.

    • @Abhishek-zb3dp
      @Abhishek-zb3dp Год назад

      Technically it's not the mean but mean times sqrt(n) where n is the number of samples taken to get the mean and under the limit that n is large. Otherwise the mean would just be a point as n becomes very large.

  • @thomassoliton1482
    @thomassoliton1482 Год назад

    On a more “global” neural scale, it is well know that there is a strong (inverse) relationship between EEG power and frequency: the fast-fourier transform of EEG activity is high at low frequency (< 5 Hz) and low at high frequency (up to 100 Hz) (Buzaki, Steriadi, and others) so that a plot of log(power) vs frequency is fairly linear. Not surprising since it could be considered an “emergent” property of the neural spiking distribution you show. The slope of that relationship can be used to deduce the state of consciousness - sleep (steep negative slope) versus attentive waking (shallow negative slope). So high-frequency power shows a relative increase during waking, because (generally) there is less synchronization of neurons by thalamo-cortical inputs (e.g. during sleep).

  • @NoNTr1v1aL
    @NoNTr1v1aL 2 года назад +2

    Absolutely amazing video! Subscribed.

  • @lakshminarayananraghavendr319
    @lakshminarayananraghavendr319 Год назад

    Thanks for the informative video

  • @CYellowan
    @CYellowan Год назад

    Ok i will add ONE HUGE detail. I read a few years ago, that the brain can work in up to "10 dimentions". This means that if data is sent 1 or 2 ways at all times, the HZ should be multiplied by 2x or 1.5x. But if a crosswalk synapse can send multiple signals at once, lets say up to 5 or 10, then conditionally it can perform 5x or 10x as fast in effect, than what the hz is. So adding more specialists greatly boost the efficiency factor via that alone.
    To me, this explains how some days things just "click". I learned a thing asap 🤔🧐 In how it was related to what i know, or how maybe some strong synapses formed quckly 👏

  • @justmewendy6461
    @justmewendy6461 Год назад

    Very good. Thank you.

  • @enricoginelli3405
    @enricoginelli3405 Год назад

    Super cool video Artem! Keep up!

  • @Mr.Nichan
    @Mr.Nichan Год назад

    Log-normal distributions are also pretty common, especially with frequency. For instance, I think that's what the black-body curve is, though I may be wrong.

  • @blazearmoru
    @blazearmoru Год назад

    I first discovered this when my psych professor explained that we experience loudness not additionally but through log.

    • @chri-k
      @chri-k Год назад +1

      i may of course be wrong, but i do not think that is related.
      But rather that the receptor cells themselves lose sensitivity with higher input, i don’t know anything about how those cells work, but it may possibly be due to a limited store of chemicals, like it is with visual receptors.

  • @editvega803
    @editvega803 Год назад

    Wow! An amazing video! Thank you very much Artem. You have a new suscriber from Argentina 🇦🇷

  • @yash1152
    @yash1152 Год назад

    1:12 woah, never seen "abstract" before in a video - nice

  • @smolboi9659
    @smolboi9659 Год назад

    I thought this video was gonna be about perception like experienceing loudness in decibels and pitch in octaves.

  • @IIAOPSW
    @IIAOPSW Год назад

    I'm going to engage in some rank speculation (except its not really speculation because there is *some* research I could cite). Suppose that those brain waves you're picking up aren't a single neuron at all, but actually a self perpetuating loop signal of several neurons. The longer the loop, the longer it takes for the signal to propagate back to the start, the lower the frequency. Now if you were to take a bunch of neurons connected to each other completely at random, and then count out the number of loops consisting of 2 neurons, 3 neurons, 4 neurons... n neurons, you should find that the number of loops goes down exponentially with length. Loops of length k can be made in n choose k different ways. The lower the frequency, the longer the loop, the fewer possible ways to construct it. Hence the frequencies end up with a log distribution.

  • @dalliravitejareddy3089
    @dalliravitejareddy3089 Год назад

    great effort

  • @maxmyzer9172
    @maxmyzer9172 2 года назад

    3:21 this video so far is more helpful than the statistics course i took

  • @gz6963
    @gz6963 Год назад

    Thanks for the clear explanation, great video

  • @neillamas8929
    @neillamas8929 Год назад

    Summary: the spiking frequency (aka firing rate) of neurons in the brain follow a lognormal distribution. This can be seen as a small quantity of generalizer neurons responsible for most daily neural activity (~10% of neurons do 50% of the activity) as compared to specialists neurons. (Note that this is not a binary classification but rather a continuum). One of the most promising hypotheses that explains the emergence of this distribution is that the change of size in a synaptic spine is proportional to its size.

  • @reocam8918
    @reocam8918 Год назад +1

    Awesome! Can I ask how do you create these fantastic animations? Thanks!

  • @sytelus
    @sytelus Год назад

    Thanks!

  • @lucusekali5767
    @lucusekali5767 Год назад

    You deserve subscribe

  • @accountname1047
    @accountname1047 2 года назад

    This video is fantastic

  • @SecularMentat
    @SecularMentat Год назад

    There's SEVERAL logarithmic curves involved in biochemistry. It's not a huge surprise it shows up in a resultant area of biology.

  • @indiansrk9997
    @indiansrk9997 Год назад

    You cleared my 100 year nightmare question.

  • @BradCaldwellAuburn
    @BradCaldwellAuburn Год назад

    Fascinating! But what brain region are you sampling from to see the 1 Hz to 10 Hz spread? Like your other video where sparcity amount varied by brain region, it would seem that occipital cortex might show more up to 40 Hz range.
    How does the fact that brain is firing at all frequencies at once reconcile with observation (using nmda antagonists) that consciousness is sometimes an all-or-none thing (either a frame is printed or it isn't at any given millisecond), and the change in frequency of these all-or-none frames is smooth, as though having inertia like the boutons' change being proportional to their currently accumulated size? Might it be the thalamo-cortical resonant circuit bringing transient coupling to a particular frequency and this chosen coupled frequency changes smoothly over time?
    Or, might each 'frame' of consciousness be a set of ensembles of neurons put together to make that full meaning, and each time you change the set of ensembles, you make a new frame of consciousness, and this frequency of change can vary, but has a mechanism to remain smooth (as though rate of change of frequency is itself important to stay smooth, etc., upwards in nested derivatives)?

  • @kimchi_taco
    @kimchi_taco Год назад

    Great video. Human wealth is log normal distribution?

  • @isanewday
    @isanewday Год назад

    Interesting

  • @phpn99
    @phpn99 Год назад

    Log normal distribution is omnipresent in nature because it is the result of feedback-born optimisation. When a snowball falls on the slope, the larger it is, the larger it will get, to a limit. The distribution of snowball sizes obeys a log normal distribution. There's a relation as well, to Poisson distribution. There was some evidence of this in social phenomena as well. When Wilfredo Pareto came up with the notion that 80% of property in Italy is owned by 20% of people, the so-called 'Pareto Principle' was merely a hint at log normal distribution. This has important consequences because if we ignore ideology, this means that wealth distribution will naturally obey a log normal distribution id the system was absolutely fair (from a functional standpoint). So inequality is intrinsic to optimal processes. This does not mean that at the shallow end of the distribution's tail, there should be less means available than needed to live... just that if we raised the threshold at the tail such that people could live comfortably, there would still be a small group of very wealthy individuals. And there's nothing in there tied to merit or morality ; it's amoral. What morality leads us to do, however, is alter the parameters of the distribution such that its "floor" is sustainable for all. Normal curves are still normal, regardless of their sigma or height. So we can alter the integral of the distribution to serve the outcomes we seek, while respecting the naturalness of the log normal distribution process. There are countless examples of this distribution in both the natural world, and in the behavioural and perceptual realms.

  • @QasimAlKhuzaie
    @QasimAlKhuzaie Год назад

    A very interesting video. Thank you very much

  • @sunkojusurya2864
    @sunkojusurya2864 Год назад

    Insightful video. 👍 Keep going.

  • @dmitritomanencu8535
    @dmitritomanencu8535 Год назад

    great

  • @TemplerOO7
    @TemplerOO7 Год назад

    Ist this why our brains are so powerful, because they are based on multiplication? Compared to a computer, where the base is succession, multiplication is two steps above that in the mathematical hierarchy. Maybe an idea why computers are so limited despite their extreme calculation speed

  • @him21016
    @him21016 2 года назад +1

    … but in what way are neuron firing rates related as a product of “hidden” random variables? I think that part was missed.

  • @martinr7728
    @martinr7728 Год назад

    I'm quite impressed how you present all the information, very concise and clear

  • @falnica
    @falnica Год назад

    It seems logarithms are intimately related to information, like Zipf’s law and such

  • @edoardodepiccoli3004
    @edoardodepiccoli3004 Год назад

    thanks a lot for explaining so well, I wish you were my high school professor right now ahah

  • @ЕвгениГеоргиев-т1я
    @ЕвгениГеоргиев-т1я 2 года назад

    great video analysis

  • @MrOlivm
    @MrOlivm Год назад

    Thanks for a good video on a good topic. I would enjoy less time on a proscriptive path of the lesson, and more time on ideas associated with any step in the chain, correlates.

  • @SebEyes
    @SebEyes Год назад

    Great !
    I gave me some ideas for my PhD in ecology ;)
    Indeed, do the stability of an ecosystem relies on the number of connections or few "key connections" between organisms ?
    Just like brain with specialised and generalist neurons...

  • @rustybolts8953
    @rustybolts8953 2 года назад

    Is it possible the brain is following a larger log principle universally intrinsic to infinity? Thanking you for your inspirational thinking...

  • @Raebaeheyy
    @Raebaeheyy Год назад

    So do roulette tables at casinos apply to the bell curve? Or am I overthinking it?

  • @killerguppy2988
    @killerguppy2988 Год назад

    I would be interested to see if the weights of a self-learning computer neural net (like for OCR or object recognition) followed a log-normal distribution too, or if it's more Gaussian, or white-noise.

    • @chedddargoblin
      @chedddargoblin Год назад

      According to a quick google search (no academic sources), yes machine learning gradients tend to be log normal. Makes sense because the brain was the model for machine learning

  • @smotocel69
    @smotocel69 Год назад

    Subscribed.

  • @rizzwan-42069
    @rizzwan-42069 Год назад

    The log bell curve looks like 20 80 rule

  • @asdf56790
    @asdf56790 2 года назад

    Amazing video!

  • @Noobificado
    @Noobificado Год назад +2

    Ohhh, interesting.
    I wonder if high iq is the result of the bulk of the slower firing neurons beign slightly faster than the average person, and it adding up a lot. Or is it something else, like the efficiency of the speciallized neural pathways. Or may be it is just neurons sending stronger signals overall.
    Really no idea, but very interesting indeed.

  • @gytoser801
    @gytoser801 Год назад

    12:49 Veritasium made a video on that. Maybe they are the identical thing

  • @EveryLittleBitCounts
    @EveryLittleBitCounts Год назад

    I don't like describing them as not equal. They are all equally important in the context of the brain operating at maximum capacity. If any single neuron was missing, the brain would be unable to operate at its maximum potential. They're different, that's more specific than inequal.

  • @TheDRAGONFLITE
    @TheDRAGONFLITE 2 года назад

    Nice video! Great pacing

  • @inversebrah
    @inversebrah 2 года назад

    learned a lot, ty

  • @tanvirmiahjoy7153
    @tanvirmiahjoy7153 Год назад

    Name of this book is 'The Computational Brain'

  • @janottlinger
    @janottlinger 4 месяца назад

    So even if you flip a unfair coin, if you flip it often enough, you get a Gaussian distribution? That part confused me 😅

  • @fierypickles4450
    @fierypickles4450 Год назад

    What was song for the outro beautiful

  • @kittel-dev
    @kittel-dev 2 года назад

    Please Smile in your Videos, if you love what you are doing!

  • @양익서-g8j
    @양익서-g8j 2 месяца назад

    내 생각엔 프랙탈의 복잡도를 넘어선 것도 매우 흔하다.다만 우리가 아직 발견하지 못했을뿐

  • @markpeter9186
    @markpeter9186 Год назад

    Wow amazing work! than kyou so much! Please kepp doing this important work!

  • @Arandomguyat1
    @Arandomguyat1 Год назад

    Question.. I have never seen a researcher using macbooks.. do you just do web surfing on it?

  • @larzperson9601
    @larzperson9601 Год назад

    Are sypnatic weights log-normally distributed for neural networks as well?

  • @the_primal_instinct
    @the_primal_instinct Год назад

    Soooo... if wealth and power are distributed in the same way does it mean it's the most efficient way? *Scared look*

  • @idegteke
    @idegteke Год назад

    Question: Have anybody ever predicted anything important and completely unexpected based on only dreams, sorry thought experiences that turned out to be true after the appropriate experience became technically doable?

  • @PierreGleize
    @PierreGleize Год назад

    Instant Subscribe

  • @alfonsocantor1058
    @alfonsocantor1058 2 года назад +1

    Wow! I learned a lot thanks for the clear explanation and visuals

  • @PedramNG
    @PedramNG Год назад

    interesting

  • @JKenny44
    @JKenny44 Год назад

    I guess that it would a bimodal distribution

  • @joshjoshjoshjoshjoshjoshj
    @joshjoshjoshjoshjoshjoshj Год назад

    We hear loudness logarithmically I learned

  • @TusharisLiveofficial
    @TusharisLiveofficial Год назад

    If you know the seed you can know the tree by genetics a seed has a blue print of tree
    llly in every cell

  • @BoxBoy_99
    @BoxBoy_99 Год назад

    Oh my. Log normal distributions... This is exactly why not everyone was born to be a popstar/world leader/social media influencer, and why our society is so (toxic? Distracted? Misaligned?) For convincing them so.
    "Everyone go to college and generate enormous amounts of debt while competing for a narrow job market! It will be fine!"

  • @MrSur512
    @MrSur512 Год назад +1

    Brain does Multiplications natively???? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

  • @dabbarbosa
    @dabbarbosa Год назад

    14:41 In resume, as shown biologically, the brain learning process is exponential. 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

  • @ghostcookie882
    @ghostcookie882 Год назад

    technically you don't take the sum of the sample batch, you take its mean or average.

  • @RoboticusMusic
    @RoboticusMusic Год назад +1

    This went too slow and didn't provide enough relations between the topics so I didn't understand the meaning or utility of these concepts and their relation to the brain.

  • @KompakterOperator
    @KompakterOperator 2 года назад

    Do you produce these alone?

  • @notaverage6080
    @notaverage6080 8 месяцев назад +1

    Why this bro looks like young stephen hawking?

  • @vincentli9106
    @vincentli9106 Год назад +1

    Doktor? is that you?