Honestly, you got to admire Pakistan and their tenacity and boldness very few countries display. Also they have style, the JF-17 Thunder is a gorgeous fighter. Props for going your own way. You could teach NATO a thing or two instead of mooching off of the US constantly.
Most of the air to surface weapons used by the jf17 such as guided bombs, anti runway bombs, air to surface cruise missile etc are also made in Pakistan.
Yeah.. meanwhile most nations that are *"Going their own way"* often results in having in either two pathways, once they realize their project has gap holes in performance and funding, because their GDP is relatively low and this is where the two pathways split, one, incorporate some of the American, Russian, or Chinese tech into it, or two, all together abandoned the project and then turn to buy an export variant of that nations jet, all in all going a unique one's own militarized style is often difficult because of the political landscape, sure you could argue that the Europeans managed to create their own jet fighters being the EF-2000 Euro Fighter and Dassault Rafale mainly, and even then their respective American tech is still within their ranks, because you can only afford so much, and with politics in play, it could only go so far, and to be frank most of thr designs if you look more in depth are essentially copy and paste designs stolen from the Americans
Small Correction: The JF-17 program will not "replace" the F-16s in Pakistani service. Its been designed to replace almost 250x obsolete warplanes in PAF Inventory namely the A-5 Fantan, F-7/P/PG and Mirage-III aircraft. The Block-III JF-17C is equipped with AESA radar and 4.5 gen technology, designed to complement Pakistan's more advanced fighters like F-16s and J-10C. Moreover, Pakistan Aeronautical Industry has gained invaluable experience and know how during the development of JF-17 program and those learnings are now being incorporated into the next generation fighter aircraft (NGFA) program to develop 5th generation technologies and systems in Pakistan. @darkskies
Incorrect. What you said is true for first block of JF-17s in 2000s. The latest block III (2021) with AESA radar and LRAAM & HOBS missiles can easily replace earlier block F-16s (block 10 to 25) in Airforces around the world.
@@mobo8933 like the way guys said we can't make nuclear weapons we did and somehow we will make 5 th gen platform one day not individually but we will inshallah
@@mobo8933 Well, its already under development. The avionics and sub systems are being tested and qualified aboard Jeff test beds. It'll take a few years to materialize tho.
@@Edward4Plantagenet Lol you people need to grow up living in a well there's a world around you that is also advancing the only thing USA is advancing in is gender lol go join lgbtqxyz.
The funny thing is that because of the aggressive marketing of the JF-17 as an export fighter, the US has reconsidered the sale of F-16s to countries that were ineligible before, to avoid countries turning towards the eastern sphere of influence. Still, for non NATO countries, having access to a jet that they don't have to worry about being blocked access to weaponry and spare parts in case of an arms embargo is very useful. A JF-17 will always be fully operational, an F-16 is subject to the whims of US policies.
How is this not simply trading reliance on the US for reliance on Pakistan and China? For Pakistan this is a step towards independence from western weapons (with a partial reliance on China instead) but for any country that buys this, how is this really different?
@@vollmerm1 was about to say the exact same thing. Yeah it keeps you from relying on the US but now makes you dependent on China. Really all they have done is tied themselves to two countries instead of just one.
@@vollmerm1 That's what I was thinking. Seems to me the difference is they don't know when Pakistan or China may block access to parts/weapons etc. Where as there are at least rules and guidelines that have been in place with US supplies for decades.
Capabilities aside, building a successful fighter jet program is a huge achievement, its required massive monetary investment and political commitment , seeing my country fruitless investment on the KF-21 jet programs with the Korean that most definitely gonna flops and become our biggest embarrassment just show how difficult it is to actually run this kind of projects, huge respect for Pakistan
Are they really "successfully building their own fighter" though? 500 million split between the two countries probably means a 250 million dollar factory built by China with 250 million on loan from China to the Pakistanis, who are beyond broke to get production costs going. No. They are basically slapping the parts together in Pakistan where costs are lower and they'll export it to other countries. They will gain experience on the cheap.
Whatever it's "expected" to replace, it all boils down to if the JF17 able to do what it's expected to do. It doesn't need to be the best, it only needs to be better than what it goes up against... it only has to be good enough. I once heard an aviation commentator describe the 50 year old F-15 Eagle's ongoing presence in today's world: "It's not the fastest fighter but it's fast enough. It's not the most agile but it's agile enough. It's not the most heavily armed, but it's armament is good enough. It's RADAR isn't sci-fi advanced, but it's advanced enough. In order for it to do its specific tasks, the F-15 is Good Enough."
I agree ... Leave the rest for well trained crew because crew training , mindset and familiarity with aircrafts(especially one he is flying ) is very essential
Better can mean a lot of things too. If you need 2 JF17s to take out an F-16 reliably, but your potential opponents can only afford to field 1 F-16 for every 2 of your JF17s, then that's also 'good enough'.
JF17 was not a meant to replace the F16 instead it is intended to replace the aging F7 and Mirage jets in PAF's fleet. I think last year they even replaced an entire squadron of Mirages with the JF17. Though Pakistan had also recently acquired J10-Cs from China and I think these will replace the F-16.
Even the most advanced blocks proposed for JF-17 are significantly inferior to *current production* F-16s. The JF-17 is simply a less capable aircraft in pretty much every significant measure. That's a major reason why it is so much cheaper. Now, that doesn't mean it's a *bad* aircraft. There are several nations currently looking for new fighters who would be very well served by the JF-17... better served for *their actual requirements and fiscal limitations* by the JF-17 than current F-16s, Eurofighter, MiG-29, etc. Argentina, for instance. But the fact that JF-17 is a better fit for some nation's actual needs and budget doesn't remotely mean it is equal, much less superior, to the F-16. When you're smokin' the Hopium, you're gonna die from.ypur addiction.
@@geodkyt Yeah, don't get me wrong it will suit a lot of smaller customers demands and in most missions won't need the performance and capability of an F16, but its in no way superior to it other than acquisition and operational costs
@@geodkytf16 is better more as multi purpose, not necessarily better in its air to air capability, especially compred to jf17 with chinese pl15 missiles, those missles are game changers
very important point to be noted is that very first step is always hard, Pakistan has taken that. Pakistan has started manufacturing "A fighter jet" will will ultimately go on and continuous R&D will help to meet the latest needs and challenges. atleast now we have something of our own from where we can continue to improve.
You can’t expect Pakistan to take first step in manufacturing jets and produce 6th gen fighter in limited resources. Still managed to export it to 3 countries, feeling insecure America again started sales of F-16 (Viper) to fill that gap. JF-17 Block 3 > F-16 Block 52 It was meant to replace F-7PGs, Mirage 3, Mirage 5. Only 5th gen fighter will replace F-16s in PAF.
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Pakistan is the first Muslim country both developing nuclear power and a fighter jet. Selam from brother Turkey 🇹🇷❤️🇵🇰. in my opinion Jf-17is a serious fighter to be thought in the first place if Turkish air force buy plane . Especially block 3 is real deal.
Thanks and obviously We will Cooperate with Turkiye in its Aeronautical program as best as we can. I believe we are working together on a drone version of the Kaan. Much Love and Many Blessings, May the 🌙🦅spread its wings from the East to the West.
As much as I loved the F-20 this may be the closest I’ll ever see to it coming to fruition until I can make mine. So even as an American I’ll support it as it gets updates and improves over time.
FA50 is more of a LIFT platform then a proper fighter who was designed to fighting from day 1. That was F20 as well. And this JF17 today is a modernized/buffed up version of that F20 with older F16A's lighter wings and Gripen's vertical tail.
@@Blackbirdz2000 The same can be said with the Northrup F-5s tho. Even if they started as trainers (T-38 Talons), it didn't stop them from being one of the most cost effective fighters of the Cold War and some surviving F-5s upgraded to be better than some early F-16s. With the upcoming FA-50's upgrade to blk.20 standard, they're future will be better.
@@paulsteaven yeah it could be, but that is more of capability being added over time. If im not wrong old F16A early blocks were also purely dogfighters, designed and build after learning from Vietnam war lessons to counter mig21s. Multirole capability was added over time. But what yr missing with that argument is that due to adding that multirole capability, F16s ended up loosing or compromising on their maneuverability(lighter wings of early f16A block 0 to 20 vs heavier wings from block 25 to 70) Today when u see F16V blk70 carrying those triple racks under its wings, this would have given its designer a heart attack if he was still alive today as this was NEVER his intention while designing this aircraft. Same way with this FA50's multirole capability being added will also make the Koreans compromise on certain things, things which maybe crucial. That is why i wrote that JF17/F20 were designed from day 1 as multirole fighter aircrafts instead of what was primarily designed as a trainer and fighting capability was added later on. As in these small single engine light fighters, u can add something new by only compromising something else most of the time due to lack of space, which is in result due of their small size. This FA50 was originally T50 trainer. Later this FA50 version was build as a LIFT aircraft meaning a trainer who can fight more or less. These will remain the problem for these LIFT platforms including for the Italian M346 and Chinese L series trainers/LIFT
The thing is, what's replacing the F-16 (and the F/A-18 in similar roles) is the F-35. So, the capability gap is widening between those who can and can't.
its the economic ties and numbers that will matter. aircraft contracts are alliances. can the usa stand against the whole world? and how many hits to the usa arms econ can it take as market share erodes so will power. its not only about raw aircraft capabilities stop being so simplistic and short sighted
See Australia F35 problems as they just released a scathing report with some US military officials agreeing. Supersonic for 50 seconds? So many other problems still. After 20 years.. They are pissed that the latest F35s are coming off the line now are not mission capable of fighting the Chinese. Stop the BS the F35 is junk. Our own people say so.
@@marsmotion lo go look at the us colored warplans. The pentagon goes through invasion and warplans to invade and fight even our closest allies for fun….
Thunder was designed with Block Development in mind. First Blocks like F16 we're that great but kept on development. Similarly, Block 3 has AESA, PL 12,PL 15 missiles, modern suites, HUD & new systems The biggest feature is plug n play. You can get European systems or Chinese systems depending on the customers' relations with EU , from italy ( Leonardo )
JF-17 has an Iranian UAV in its Kill list Also Thunder was also used to bomb military installations in indian occupied Jammu & Kashmir after indian jets violated the international border of Pakistan a day before during which they dropped the payload in the forest & ran back when engaged by the Pakistani fighter jets...
The latest block III (2021) with AESA radar and LRAAM & HOBS missiles can easily replace earlier block F-16s (block 10 to 25) in Airforces around the world. The earlier blocks of JF-17 (block 1 & 2) can easily replace Mirages (III, V, early 2000s), Mig-29s, Mig-21s/ F-7s, F-5s etc.
Forget combat, this plane can't even fly! Pakistan & Myanmar grounded more than half of JF17 fleet because they can't access spare parts for its Russian engines. You think the USA will waive sanctions to buy Russian parts for a Chinese plane? The Chinese don't even use this, they have the J-10. This plane is a Lemon sold to poor, desperate countries by China to steal their money and keep them in debt trap!
@@distorteddingo9230 LMAO! what a joker, lying won't help you. Only in hate-filled and third grade indian websites tell those jokes. Maybe you sad little things are doing this because literally no one is even looking at the 60's designed Tejas. Every genuine aviation experts knows that JF-17s have the highest sortie rates and its one of the world's top reliable fighter. That's why 3 airforces have it and many more interested. Look up its jaw dropping performances in air shows the way it goes vertical just after leaving the runaway shows its incredible agility. BTW! JF-17 is Pakistan air force most dependable & top reliable fighter. It needs way less maintenance then F-16s & Mirages. A little advice, never believe in the crappy indian website stories what photo / videos or any official pakistani source they had to make these ridiculous claims ? Any tom or harry can write anything but without proofs it only comes back to your face.
@@usermk99 Says the beggar who just went to the IMF for more money, after China turned off the lights because PAK couldn't afford to pay back your loans. You can't even support your people after floods and you want to support 137+ fighter aircraft, engines, parts, and weapons. The only people that Pakistan fools is its own people. You literally have nothing the world wants. Everyone just uses you. Turkey doesn't even give you free visa entry., China takes the money you beg from the IMF, Saudi and USA. Completely delusional. If the engines are Russian and anyone who buys Russian parts is sanctioned, how can you maintain your fleet? Common sense does not exist in your stupid country because it teaches you Quran not Science or Math.
@@DistortedDingo :D I knew from your first comment that I am talking to a very small mind person that's filled with hatred. Whatever trash you write is based on bias and has ZERO value. As far as your rant about begging is concerned, just try to look up wheres the world's largest population of beggars resides, what's the slum capital of the world?, where's the world's largest population of under poverty line ppl are... There's one answer and that is India. So you need to introspect yourself as well and instead spending money here or there, do spend it on your people. What an indian living in slums is really benefitting from india's reserves ? NOTHING!. Absolute joke of a humanity. Ask your govt to give you free education, free health and lift the people out of poverty before lecturing someone else. Now about engine. First, JF-17s are quite new aircrafts they don't need engine upgrades atm. Secondly, PAC has engine overhauling capability itself in the country, Thirdly even worst case scenario the Chinese already have made the more powerful version of the same engine (WS-13 which is already in production) and that's more likely will be installed in next blocks as well as for Argentinian airforce if they go ahead with the sale. According to your low IQ OR totally lack of sense / lack of knowledge that anything anyone buy from Russia is sanctioned then the biggest worry should be for india. Your entire military is based on russian technology. The most equipment on naval ships / brahmos missiles, the land based equipment / entire airforce except few platforms are all russian.. I mean do you even look at mirror how stupid u look making hilarious statements ? About country teaching Quran and not science. Again talk with logic and with facts. An advice should you choose to take, stop watching crappy indian analysts youtube channels and bias indian media. Try to find your sources through international media. We are just amazed the kind of hilarious info you all are fed with. Every bakht talk same crap that is far from reality.
@@usermk99 1) China refuses to use this plane because its garbage which why they have ONLY J-10 2) the USA gave India exemption for s400 purchase will kicking Turkey out of F35 because INDIA is in military and economic alliance with USA against China (QUAD and I2U2) they will never sanction INDIA and if they do FRANCE & RUSSIA will VETO because they are main suppliers to INDIA 3) Pakistan has the 3rd worst passport in the world, only Afghanistan and North Korea ranks lower 4) goes ask the Bangladesh what living in Pakistan was like. Go ask , Pashtun, Baloch why they will rip Pakistan apart within 10 years. 5) Pakistan Can't even pay for flood insurance without begging IMF for more money. 6)You have no economy. You are the country that will forever be known as the home of Osama Bin Landen. NO ONE WANTS YOU> UAE canceled your VISA, PAK ambassador to Turkey apologize because "PAKISTANI PERVETS GET OUT" was trending on Twitter in Turkey.
I'm not sure where did you get the idea that Pakistan was replacing F-16 with JF 17... JF-17 was designed to replace F-7 and A-5 and older variants of mirages...
the time when JF17 was developed it was planned to be more capable than F16's but the newer generations of fighting falcons are improved ones so are able to outperform JF17 but no one could ignore its attractive price tag and availability these are the things which F16's fails to compete
there are some technical aspects of JF-17C (BlkIII) that it beats Block 52 hands down: JF-17C has true first see and-shot capability and most of its weapon platforms are Stand of Weapons (SOW) means long-range e.g: PL-15, PL-10, PD-10, CM-102, CM-400, Ra'ad, CM-802, while F-16 block 52 only has AIM-120 MRAAM some of the countries have Harpoon Anti-ship that's about it.
The only difference is that F-16s are combat tested and proven while JF-17s have never been in combat. and we don't know how good the chinese PL-15 missiles are in reality.
@@ahmedmukhtar6961 JF-17 has flown close tor more sorties as using its PGM against terrorist, it was on CAP mission when the F-16 shot down MiG-21 and Su-30
@@sabresecuritydefenseconsul1308 yes but that still doesn't make it combat tested and proven like the f16. Being a support aircraft to f16s doesn't make it combat proven. And again it's Chinese missiles so we don't know how reliable are they.
@@ahmedmukhtar6961 seems like your theises of combat testing is flawed and skewed, combat testing is not just having a CAP mission or engaging in AAC, why flagging the Chinese missiles for being reliable in retro the American Sparrow and French R-530D have never passed the reliability test.
@@sabresecuritydefenseconsul1308 That is exactly what combat tested is. F-16s have been engaged in dog fights and ground raids so therefore we know how it performs in certain situations. JF-17s have not. Even during zarb e azb pakistan used mostly F-16s to bomb the militant hideout. if this is not what combat tested is then do you care to explain what your definition is
I dont think un sanctionable fighter is the first reason countries decide on the buying the JF-17. I think it is the cheapest modern multi role light fighter you can get. Myanmar got them for around 16 million USD a piece, and supposedly they can be bought for cheaper. The F-16 new is around 60 million USD.
And that is a valid reason to select a significantly less capable aircraft (amd realistically, despite all the hype China and Pakistan put out, the JF-17 is far less capable than current production export F-16s... even using the Chinese marketing performance figures). But, having an aircraft that is four times or more capable doesn't help if the four times or more price tag means you simply *can't afford enough of them* to give you the coverage you need, especially if you can get adequate coverage out of less capable (but equally less expensive) fighters. That was literally the idea behind the US F-5 in the late 1950s. The fact that it sidesteps any potential EU or US sanctions or export limits is also useful for some nations. For example, any fighter equipped with Martin-Baker ejection seats is pretty much a non-starter for Argentina, due to the Falklands dispute - the UK is not going to sign off on letting British ejection seats be installed in fighters that they may face in combat, if it means Britain can block a potential foe (who still sabre-rattles over the issue) from getting more advanced fighters.
@@AM-SD To be fair, while it is entirely possible that Myanmar got a bunch of flawed JF-17s, the technical issues they are describing as causing the grounding of their JF-17 fleet are *all* things that poor maintenance (a long standing issue for Myanmar, amd one even thier own government admits to) and a bunch of pilots routinely subjecting the aircraft to serious over-g (this can be a problem even with the F-16, and that aircraft is capable of *far* more g-loading than most pilots can take, provided you don't do it while carrying a bunch of stores on the wings). So, absent more data, I wouldn't take Myanmar's difficulties as indicating actual issues with the aircraft - could be poor maintainer training, poor maintainer logistics support, failure to allow maintainers the time they need to work on the aircraft (a problem *every* air force has, requiring strong leadership at the squadron level to push back against demands from higher to "quit funding about and get those planes in the air!" when they haven't had their routine scheduled maintenance), hot shot pilots ignoring the aerodynamic and structural limits of their airframes, poor quality control from the factory, any any combination in any ratio of any ot all of these factors. The aircraft *design* looks rather credible, provided you don't believe the marketing hype and expect it to be something other than an "economy" model multi-role *light* fighter, with limits inherent to the design choices and trade-offs made. (Again, it is *indentical* in concept and role as the earlier US F-5, even though the two designs nearly 50 years apart have no *engineering* relationship. If US or allied air forces had been taking brand new F-5s and treating them like they were new F-4s or Mirages while skimping on maintenance, the F-5s would have broken down in a couple of years. Because you can't misuse and abuse an aircraft, and try to force a heavier role on a light airframe than it was designed for, and not have problems.)
More like a F-16 with F-35 style intakes, also a big old Russian engine, probably out of a older airplane they quit making like a Su-27 or even a Mig-29 with lower power. Easy to make being they already make F-16's and have an assembly line. So does Turkey.
US was involved in the project in the early days. It was call Chengdu/Grumman Super 7. Grumman has contributed some of the early design. Hence to your answer. Look it up. It was the days when US and China had much better relationships.
Unless you're fighter force is solely homegrown technology you will always face restrictions on ability no country in there right mind will pass on there first line tech whether it is Eastern or western nations
That's not even mentioning the fact that joint projects like this always compromise because no two nations align perfectly in mission parameters. The US and Russia can sell derivatives of their force as a tailored need per nation, because they are the only two capable of building a fleet of multiple platforms and also exporting them at scale. China is near, but not there yet, so we get this type of compromised export.
Incorrect. Only Earlier version of Thunder was meant to replace F-7s, Mirages, mig29s etc. The latest variant with AESA radar and many more capabilities can easily replace older F-16s (earlier blocks 10-25) which are over 30-40 years old airframes with obsolete electronics.
A very capable aircraft. PAC and CAC set themselves very realistic goals, a block approach to the development, the latest BLK III taking it to 4.5 gen capabilities. Very cost effective solution to modern day defence needs.
@soft_dicc Okay apparently someone was lying about it having AESA. So am I right that it uses the KLJ-7 though? It has TWS and multiple target tracking - while it’s no AESA, I wouldn’t call it 60s tech. Though just looking at the airframe I assume it has some serious limitations. Poor rear viability, and those intakes look very small compared to an F-16.
I was lucky enough to see the project on own school tour and also witnessed it's first flight, though it's designed like f16 it's not a competition to f16, it can never compete f16 but saying that it does achieve the purpose it was built for, that is to have an aircraft of our own with full technology in our control, with f16 also came many restrictions therefore building a plane like jf17 was inevitable for Pakistan. Now Pakistan aeronautical complex is able to produce around 18 to 20 planes a year and it has significantly increased the strength of Pakistan air force. Saying that, for direct assault or defense the primary plane for PAF is still f16.
Yeah, JF-17 is a *very* good fit for Pakistan, especially as the "lower cost, higher numbers" pair of a high-low mix. Likewise good for other nations that don't necessarily face real top shelf threats, and cannot support a massive fighter force. For example, it would do everything Argentina credibly would need, and for a buy of similar total cost, would do it better than if Argentina bought Eurofighters (which have export issues with regard to Argentina), F-16, or even Sukhoi or MiG aircraft... Argentina can actually *afford* enough JF-17s to do what they actually need fighters to do.
You are a little Chinese hypocrite tell people the truth the planes sent to Nigeria broke down the plains sent to Pakistan half of them already broke down
for that purpose its a great aircraft. Its something your county has the capability to produce and upgrade for the most part independently, and still provides a decent multi role platform.
@@geodkyt hence why argentina currently uses highly upgraded A4AR skyhawks, they're cheap, fairly simple to operate compared with other platforms, and realistically meet their needs.
This new design looks like a combination of the F-16, the F/A-18 and the F-5. Not bad, but i wonder how capable it will actually be, and more important, how independent Pakistan will be with it. Because if China has proven one thing, then it´s that it too is as restrictive, or even more so, than the US.
@@UnsungAces I purely meant optics. Hence "looks like". At no point was there shown enough to judge on the internal components or the actual capabilities of the plane.
not true in new age when you also need STUPID on other side, if enemy can see you first and fire on you with capable missile no matter how expert are you you are dead it like thinking a brave expert Gladiator with sward can take on modern soldier
Mig 21 Bisen, 60 years old fighter jet shot down F-16 and got shot down by the same while Junk Fighter was in hanger waiting for Engines and a Chinese technician. Now go cry
Bro great video but u made a few mistakes as new block 3 of jf 17 is more capable and already have 6 _ 10 units made and has been roll out It's asea radar and has more modern missiles in it's fleet . However paf made Jeff 17 to replace j -7 aircrafts , mirages and u were right also that other reason was us restrictions to get rid of them . Great video btw
Forget combat, this plane can't even fly! Pakistan & Myanmar grounded more than half of JF17 fleet because they can't access spare parts for its Russian engines. You think the USA will waive sanctions to buy Russian parts for a Chinese plane? The Chinese don't even use this, they have the J-10. This plane is a Lemon sold to poor, desperate countries by China to steal their money and keep them in debt trap!
F-16 is a much larger aircraft than the JF-17, dare i say it's a medium weight aircraft. JF-17 is complementary for now. Let's see what block 3 and block 4 (in future) bring towards operational readiness and service costs...
The whole video falls apart, including the "Not an F-16 Fighter" title, because Pakistan is not going to replace them anytime soon, and recently there was an upgrade approval by the US, which made big headlines mainly because India was furious.
The jeff was not meant to replace the F-16. It was meant to be an additional capability in the form of a lightweight fighter that could serve as the backbone of the PAF. Medium weight fighters like the F-16 were supposed to serve as the higher more capable but smaller part of the fleet. The replacement for the F-16 is the J-10c. Even beforehand when issues with the F-16 had arose, the Pakistan considered early J-10 variants (like the A) to replace the viper. Furthermore, near the end, you mentioned that the Jeff is far behind the latest F-16's in terms of capabilities. While this is true in the payload aspect, this is merely a fact because the two aircraft are completely different weight categories. Furthermore, the latest Jf-17 variant, the Block 3, has quite advanced avionics and electronical systems along with the capability to be equipped with state of the art weapons, (both air to air and air to ground) it is quite the capable jett and not as bad as the video claims to be.
Incorrect. What you said is true for first block of JF-17s in 2000s. The latest block III (2021) with AESA radar and LRAAM & HOBS missiles can easily replace earlier block F-16s (block 10 to 25) in Airforces around the world.
@@usermk99 Yes they can replace earlier F-16's but that simply because they are but that- early. Furthermore, again, F-16 does belong in a completely different weight category when compared to the Jeff. Yes the Jf-17 may be very appeasing to some countries NOW after its many upgrades over older aircraft but that is simply a matter of coincidence and not the Jf-17's orignal goal.
I don't understand why JF17 is compared to Tejas when the former was meant to a budget friendly light fighter while the latter was designed to be able to be as good as more expensive jets but still being cheap.
This fighter is the natural replacement for older types like the Mig-21, Mirage, A-4, etc. Provides a decent performance at a fraction of the cost of an F-16. Good choice for third World countrys that can't afford a high tech fighter or are not allowed to own due to political reasons
JF17 is a fighter which gives the buyer freedom of US and Western political pressure. Top on that it's low price and vast selection of amu makes it excellent choice of today.
Good for them. More countries should look into developing their own defence industry. Over reliance on the US is a bad thing no matter what country you are.
Japan actually can be totally independent of foreign countries in procuring defense products if it wants to. Would you believe that Japan is capable of building ICBMs?
Countries considering the JF-17 are not expecting to mix it up with the F-35. They want a new plane that can dominate the MiG-21s that their neighbors are still flying.
@Abhijeet Kundu yet it has secured export to 2 other countries meanwhile Tejas has been rejected in every competition. After 40 years of Tejas development only 40 were ever inducted including 10 prototypes lol... Here is enough data to prove. Lol brainless indians
@Abhijeet Kundu and what is your source lol? Just this month Nigeria released thunder against Bol Haram lol. Myanmar pilots are training currently to use LGBs... Where is Tejas? No one wanna buy that shit piece.. your own navy rejected it... Your airforce just inducted 40 piece after 40 years lol. Thunder is operational in 150+ lol... Go get a life on a railway track...stupid indians
lol, it was called the super 7 initially, named after the J7(Chinese mig 21) literally mig 21 body with F16/18 style wings. but it has a turbo fan. fairy easy to make in large numbers and can shoot morden missiles.
This reminds me of an article I read about the history of the plane, earlier this year. All I can say is I wish them good luck sorting out its various issues.
When I saw the title, I thought it was about the Taiwanese F-CK-1 Indigenous Defense Fighter. Looks a lot like the F-16 and the F/A-18 Hornet had a love child.
About the time Taiwan was ready to manufacture these, we sold them F16s. The US has done a similar thing to Canada with their home-grown fighter plane.
@@GnuReligion speaking of Canada, for some reason the Chengdu J-20 reminds me of the Avro Arrow. Maybe it just me because the J-20 is the closest thing to a modern day Arrow.
I didn't understand what former President Isehour meant when he said beware of the Military Industrial Complex. Now today its more pervasive than ever.
I congratulate you for making once again an extremely informative yet unbiased video. The extent of your research on the subjects you choose reflect your seriousness towards what you are doing. Don't feel sad on the comments below. Even PAK commentators don't seem to know what they are talking about and their ignorance annoy other PAKs (I am a PAK, too), let alone the others whose negative and out of this world remarks only show their extreme jealousy and narrow mindedness. Keep making documentaries like this. May God be with you we pray, Amen.
A great start, it took the west decades to improve their aircraft, this is just baby steps from Pak, but in a few decades, I can only imagine what is in store...
JF17 was made by Pakistan (& China assisted) as per her needs, a low cost, reliable and multirole 4.5 gen fighter jet. JF17 was developed to fulfil requirements of PAF not of USAF, Europe or other big players.
Jf17 thunder jet fighter is one of the best jet fighter plane in the world, it has all the defensive needs of any country of the world. This jet fighter is reliable
let's go dark skies made a video on JF 17 I have not even seen the video but still let's goo!! After watching the video it's very informational and interesting. There have been upgrades to the JF 17 with the latest being the Block 3. though it can't compare to American fighters like the F 16 it is still a nice aircraft, as said in the video light, cheap, and unsanction-able it's a great fighter for developing nations with low military budget compared to USA's budget
JF-17 was never meant to replace the F-16, it's supposed to supplement the F-16 fleet, sure it can outsmart the older variants but Blk 72 viper can roll it over any time
JF-17 can get an AESA radar. Its stands better chance at winning a fight, than even most of russias fighter jets. most Russian jets are PESA radar. JF-17 might not be the best dogfighter. But when was the last dog fight ever? these days its about beyond visual range combat. in bvr combat having AESA radar is key to victory
Yes JF 17 block 3 consists of AESA radar with Pl 15 BVR integrated.... In a recent ariel exercise in saudia Arabia.... PAF JF 17 defeated comprehensively Euro fighter typhoon in a dog fight... 6 : 2.... ❤❤❤
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx What, blow up? That's what happens when your opponent has superior force and training. They could stay on the ground and not be a flying fireball, at least.
He is right that Pakistan needed an unsanctionable aircraft free of US embargoes. Pakistan long defence tryst of more than 67 years with the US is tainted with repeated sanctions. The only way out was to be free of such limitations. Definitely a JF-17 cannot technically replace an F-16 but figuratively yes, it is the only choice left with the PAF to operate- maintain & upgrade independently. In the event of a complete ban on her F-16 fleet ( like happened after 1998, or the US sanctions which decimated which its F104A/Bs after 1965 Indo-Pak war), the only true aircraft to replace it in numbers is the JF-17. True, was the psychology behind naming it (J)F-17 a number above the F-16!.
After 1965 war US sanctioned both India & Pakistan, Pakistan must reley more on Turkyeë/ PRC or built an domestic defence complex ( but that would be cost constrain)
This is irritating for several reasons, the main one being that we are more than capable of building excellent, INEXPENSIVE combat aircraft. But we don't.
Like a lot of non-western projects, this too is dependent on Russian engines. What happens if Russia is suddenly unwilling or unable to supply those engines? As hard as it has tried, China has been less than successful in replicating Russian engine production. While China _can_ supply engines for aircraft, they fall short of Russian built ones in terms of quality.
@@minhmeo9506 Even with Chinese engines, you have the same problem: If you buy the JF-17, you are marrying yourself to Beijing. This video set up the premise that being dependent on the US via the F-16 is too great a cost, as though buying the JF-17 doesn't place you at the whims of Whims of Chinese Wolf Warrior Diplomacy because of any perceived slight. The fact that Pakistan is not replacing F-16's, unlike what the video says, goes to show the false premise.
@@tarmaque that doesn't mean they haven't come a long way though. Their main focus was on the larger ws-10 engine which they are finally now favoring instead of the Al-31s for the J-10, J11 and J-16 fighters. Then you have the WS-15 for J-20 which will enable it to supercruise.. ws-13 or ws-21 would power JF-17, FC-31 carrier based 5th gen fighter and some large UAVs. So if 20 years ago they decided that the metallurgy wouldn't be enough.. they would have been still here today. The WS-10 in it's category is providing enough power that the Chinese are satisfied with them and using them for new airframes instead of Russian engines. Soon they'll have multiple sized turbofans for different class aircraft producing in conjunction... The thing is the Chinese have both trained labour and the money for R&D thus they'll get there sooner or later.
you forgot to mention that during 2019 India-Pakistan skirmishes,pakistan used jf17 thunder to shoot down 2 indian mig 21 in which 1 indian pilot named Abhinandan was capturerd but later released
The main idea as said was to replace aging F-7s, A5s and Mirage-3s. Most of them can't even fire decent mid range bvr. Now PAF has JF-17s which is far superior than the above mentioned. Meanwhile PAF thunder block-3 has AESA radar and more advance avionics than our F-16s... In the short future we will witness J-10Cs and JF-17s as spearhead of PAF meanwhile F-16s will be used for certain missions. Thunder had become workhorse of PAF and hence the numbers which shows the confidence of PAF in that project. It's a bailout and chain breaker for countries who want to replace their aging Russian and American Jets without shackles.
Great video. However, JF-17 Thunders were not designed to replace F-16s. They were designed and produced to replace third-generation aircraft such as Miraged, J7s, and J6s that made a bulk of the inventory of PAF. Currently, PAF is inducting J10Cs as well, which are as capable as the latest version of F-16 Vipers. Pakistan is no longer dependent on American made F-16s now.
They have only grounded the aircraft die to the sanctions on Russia and the unavailability of the RD-93 engine to power the aircraft, otherwise the aircraft is fine, it's only a temporary grounding
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx first fix faulty vacuum pipes on junk Chinese rail cars you recently imported. They all are out of service. Fact junk fighter 17 Chinese dump on your bankrupt third rate country's face.
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx fix your education first, you will not junked by Chinese. Aeytemi taakat doesn't help your bankrupt nation while you eat grass to fuel your junk fighter 17 blunder
If memory serves, not too long ago I read an article about this plane. Long story short, the article described it as a serious hot mess that failed to come close to the lofty aspirations set before it.
This is whole thing reminds me of Jerry leaving Jerry Daycare. Pakistan and Turkey: Sell us fighters USA: Only if these conditions are met P and T: No, sell us fighters. USA: No. P and T and China: Then we’ll make our own fighter! USA: Okay that was always allowed😊
Its always about taking a step forward and then backward and then repeating it. Thats how u deal with USA. Pakistan and Turkey did gain something by acquiring US fighter jets which boost their defense capabilities for few decades while giving them valuable technical know how and training. That was later used in the production of these local fighter jets but the game is not over. Pakistan and Turkey can still corporate with USA in future for acquiring even more advanced weapoary 😂😂😂
I noticed how you managed to avoid stating plainly Americans refusal to provide basic weapons to long time and loyal allies like Turkey and Pakistan. This included refusing to sell BVR missiles, without which these F16s were sitting ducks. Even Americans did provide BVRs like it did to Egypt, these are useless AIM-7 Sparrows that Sudanese Libyan and Ethiopian Airforces can out range easily. With the JF17, its PL15 out ranges ever missle in NATO aresenal. Certainly it can outrange ever F16 with AIM120D. JF17 may not be able to fly as fast and as high, nor carry as big a radar, when it uses the awesome PL15, but all of those things would require aircraft many times as expensive to buy and operate. However, the JF17 force is built to go up against Indian Sukhois, Rafales, and MiG29s, but with support from AEW, F16 block 52, and J10C.
Chuck Yeager first man to break the speed of sound and one of the best pilots that ever lived said the F 20 Tigershark with the finest plane he ever flew in and was very angry that it was not adopted I wonder what he would’ve thought of the F 35 or F 22
I don't think this program will turn out to be low cost in the end. What every war- including the current one in Ukraine- has demonstrated is that the most expensive weapon is the one that wasn't good enough.
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Honestly, you got to admire Pakistan and their tenacity and boldness very few countries display. Also they have style, the JF-17 Thunder is a gorgeous fighter. Props for going your own way. You could teach NATO a thing or two instead of mooching off of the US constantly.
Eurofighter Typhoon, Gripen, Mirage, Rafale, Tornado ... Tempest in development.
Most of the air to surface weapons used by the jf17 such as guided bombs, anti runway bombs, air to surface cruise missile etc are also made in Pakistan.
I've heard they can fire Pakistan's nuclear capable RA'AD cruise missile.
@@hellothere1656 yeah it can fire raad as well as chinese CM400KG SUPERSONIC MISSILE WITH LESS RANGE
Yeah.. meanwhile most nations that are *"Going their own way"* often results in having in either two pathways, once they realize their project has gap holes in performance and funding, because their GDP is relatively low and this is where the two pathways split, one, incorporate some of the American, Russian, or Chinese tech into it, or two, all together abandoned the project and then turn to buy an export variant of that nations jet, all in all going a unique one's own militarized style is often difficult because of the political landscape, sure you could argue that the Europeans managed to create their own jet fighters being the EF-2000 Euro Fighter and Dassault Rafale mainly, and even then their respective American tech is still within their ranks, because you can only afford so much, and with politics in play, it could only go so far, and to be frank most of thr designs if you look more in depth are essentially copy and paste designs stolen from the Americans
@@Nikko557 sdjkhslahdlksajd... are you feeling jealous?
@@muhammadusama8658 Nah....Western Propaganda tomfoolery type shi
Small Correction: The JF-17 program will not "replace" the F-16s in Pakistani service. Its been designed to replace almost 250x obsolete warplanes in PAF Inventory namely the A-5 Fantan, F-7/P/PG and Mirage-III aircraft. The Block-III JF-17C is equipped with AESA radar and 4.5 gen technology, designed to complement Pakistan's more advanced fighters like F-16s and J-10C.
Moreover, Pakistan Aeronautical Industry has gained invaluable experience and know how during the development of JF-17 program and those learnings are now being incorporated into the next generation fighter aircraft (NGFA) program to develop 5th generation technologies and systems in Pakistan. @darkskies
Incorrect. What you said is true for first block of JF-17s in 2000s. The latest block III (2021) with AESA radar and LRAAM & HOBS missiles can easily replace earlier block F-16s (block 10 to 25) in Airforces around the world.
Yeah nah. There's no way Pakistan can develop a 5th generation fighter
@@mobo8933 like the way guys said we can't make nuclear weapons we did and somehow we will make 5 th gen platform one day not individually but we will inshallah
@@mobo8933 Well, its already under development. The avionics and sub systems are being tested and qualified aboard Jeff test beds. It'll take a few years to materialize tho.
@@usermk99 No it cannot. I don't wanna waste time explaining why but, no. Its apples and oranges.
Building a fighter jet program alone from scratch(including native engines) is gotta be one of biggest achievements a country can accomplish...
@@megaluckydog1212 what fighter spitfire??
Discarded Russian tech,
Chinese made,
painted by Pakistan 😂😂
While 30%+ population is hungry for wheat rice tomato
JF in JF-17 stands for joint fighter, meaning it's a collaboration between China and Pakistan. Design is based on PAF requirements.
@@Edward4Plantagenet the same can be said about US haven't you seen homelessness and crimes in their big cities
@@Edward4Plantagenet Lol you people need to grow up living in a well there's a world around you that is also advancing the only thing USA is advancing in is gender lol go join lgbtqxyz.
The funny thing is that because of the aggressive marketing of the JF-17 as an export fighter, the US has reconsidered the sale of F-16s to countries that were ineligible before, to avoid countries turning towards the eastern sphere of influence.
Still, for non NATO countries, having access to a jet that they don't have to worry about being blocked access to weaponry and spare parts in case of an arms embargo is very useful. A JF-17 will always be fully operational, an F-16 is subject to the whims of US policies.
People who are replacing the F-16 already have other options.
How is this not simply trading reliance on the US for reliance on Pakistan and China? For Pakistan this is a step towards independence from western weapons (with a partial reliance on China instead) but for any country that buys this, how is this really different?
Wait until Emperor Panda gets a bug up his ass and cuts off the logistical support. JF-17 is equally subject to Chicom political whims.
@@vollmerm1 was about to say the exact same thing. Yeah it keeps you from relying on the US but now makes you dependent on China. Really all they have done is tied themselves to two countries instead of just one.
@@vollmerm1 That's what I was thinking. Seems to me the difference is they don't know when Pakistan or China may block access to parts/weapons etc. Where as there are at least rules and guidelines that have been in place with US supplies for decades.
Capabilities aside, building a successful fighter jet program is a huge achievement, its required massive monetary investment and political commitment , seeing my country fruitless investment on the KF-21 jet programs with the Korean that most definitely gonna flops and become our biggest embarrassment just show how difficult it is to actually run this kind of projects, huge respect for Pakistan
Jf-17 is a Chinese fighter jet, which is only assembled in pakistan. They only manufacture very few of its component.
@@rahultadvi2747 jalny ki bu aa rahi hy
@@rahultadvi2747 why you Indians always talk sh*t and lies against Pakistan??
@@rahultadvi2747 hindu bus murtiyan bananay mai puray hain 😂😂😂
Are they really "successfully building their own fighter" though?
500 million split between the two countries probably means a 250 million dollar factory built by China with 250 million on loan from China to the Pakistanis, who are beyond broke to get production costs going.
No. They are basically slapping the parts together in Pakistan where costs are lower and they'll export it to other countries. They will gain experience on the cheap.
Whatever it's "expected" to replace, it all boils down to if the JF17 able to do what it's expected to do. It doesn't need to be the best, it only needs to be better than what it goes up against... it only has to be good enough.
I once heard an aviation commentator describe the 50 year old F-15 Eagle's ongoing presence in today's world: "It's not the fastest fighter but it's fast enough. It's not the most agile but it's agile enough. It's not the most heavily armed, but it's armament is good enough. It's RADAR isn't sci-fi advanced, but it's advanced enough. In order for it to do its specific tasks, the F-15 is Good Enough."
I agree ...
Leave the rest for well trained crew because crew training , mindset and familiarity with aircrafts(especially one he is flying ) is very essential
JF 17 also showed its performance when it shootdown one india mig 21 and 1 SU 30mki in 2019 in a dogfight.
@@shirazraziq8264 yes I know
Yessir---and that is what it comes down to---.
Better can mean a lot of things too. If you need 2 JF17s to take out an F-16 reliably, but your potential opponents can only afford to field 1 F-16 for every 2 of your JF17s, then that's also 'good enough'.
JF17 was not a meant to replace the F16 instead it is intended to replace the aging F7 and Mirage jets in PAF's fleet. I think last year they even replaced an entire squadron of Mirages with the JF17. Though Pakistan had also recently acquired J10-Cs from China and I think these will replace the F-16.
Eventually Future blocks of JF-17 will replace F-16. currently block 3 is already very advanced aircraft!
@@hamzaafzal1027 🤣
Even the most advanced blocks proposed for JF-17 are significantly inferior to *current production* F-16s.
The JF-17 is simply a less capable aircraft in pretty much every significant measure. That's a major reason why it is so much cheaper.
Now, that doesn't mean it's a *bad* aircraft. There are several nations currently looking for new fighters who would be very well served by the JF-17... better served for *their actual requirements and fiscal limitations* by the JF-17 than current F-16s, Eurofighter, MiG-29, etc. Argentina, for instance.
But the fact that JF-17 is a better fit for some nation's actual needs and budget doesn't remotely mean it is equal, much less superior, to the F-16.
When you're smokin' the Hopium, you're gonna die from.ypur addiction.
@@geodkyt Yeah, don't get me wrong it will suit a lot of smaller customers demands and in most missions won't need the performance and capability of an F16, but its in no way superior to it other than acquisition and operational costs
@@geodkytf16 is better more as multi purpose, not necessarily better in its air to air capability, especially compred to jf17 with chinese pl15 missiles, those missles are game changers
very important point to be noted is that very first step is always hard, Pakistan has taken that. Pakistan has started manufacturing "A fighter jet" will will ultimately go on and continuous R&D will help to meet the latest needs and challenges. atleast now we have something of our own from where we can continue to improve.
Pak contributions to jf-17 is zero your aerospace R&D is also zero you don't even have a proper wind tunnel to simulate supersonic speed.
@@cosmos1246 why indian sorry randian 😂crying here in comments🤣🤣
@@cosmos1246 cry harder
You can’t expect Pakistan to take first step in manufacturing jets and produce 6th gen fighter in limited resources. Still managed to export it to 3 countries, feeling insecure America again started sales of F-16 (Viper) to fill that gap.
JF-17 Block 3 > F-16 Block 52
It was meant to replace F-7PGs, Mirage 3, Mirage 5.
Only 5th gen fighter will replace F-16s in PAF.
Who designed the JF-17?
What are the percentage of parts you make in Pakistan. I mean percentage of indigenous?
@@saikumarmadadi7524 again indian 😂 where the hell i talked about indians, why you people can’t mind your own business ???
@@Savagepublic their tajas is still unflyable.
For an ordinary indian tejas is like : Saar no Saar. Avvar Tajas is the bast fitter in the world. Saar Tajas 56th ganaration fiter jet. Made in india 🇮🇳 by Patanjali g0bar 💩 scintists after reserch from mahabarat time. GAY SHREE 3 GB ROM 🚩 . 5 Tril0n dallar $ 💸 eckonomee Saar. Eckonomee vary st0rng saar 💪🏿💪🏿. We meking make in indea G0bar 💩 veccine 💉. Indean peepul very st0rng emmunity💩🦠🦠. G0bar 💩 protekt us from pakistan 5 kg nuclear bomb radiation. S00per P00per cuntry saar 🇮🇳💪🏿🐄💩.
Pakistan is the first Muslim country both developing nuclear power and a fighter jet. Selam from brother Turkey 🇹🇷❤️🇵🇰.
in my opinion Jf-17is a serious fighter to be thought in the first place if Turkish air force buy plane . Especially block 3 is real deal.
You guys make solid Drones though
@@hamzaferoz6162 we do :)
Thanks and obviously We will Cooperate with Turkiye in its Aeronautical program as best as we can. I believe we are working together on a drone version of the Kaan. Much Love and Many Blessings, May the 🌙🦅spread its wings from the East to the West.
@@SurrealGane Thanks brother, inschallah... :)
@@cagatay518 Also We love Turkish Rifles and especially hand guns. Top quality!!!
As much as I loved the F-20 this may be the closest I’ll ever see to it coming to fruition until I can make mine. So even as an American I’ll support it as it gets updates and improves over time.
There's the Korean FA-50 that uses the same engine and also considered to use F-20's radar.
@@paulsteaven fair
FA50 is more of a LIFT platform then a proper fighter who was designed to fighting from day 1.
That was F20 as well. And this JF17 today is a modernized/buffed up version of that F20 with older F16A's lighter wings and Gripen's vertical tail.
@@Blackbirdz2000 The same can be said with the Northrup F-5s tho. Even if they started as trainers (T-38 Talons), it didn't stop them from being one of the most cost effective fighters of the Cold War and some surviving F-5s upgraded to be better than some early F-16s.
With the upcoming FA-50's upgrade to blk.20 standard, they're future will be better.
@@paulsteaven yeah it could be, but that is more of capability being added over time. If im not wrong old F16A early blocks were also purely dogfighters, designed and build after learning from Vietnam war lessons to counter mig21s. Multirole capability was added over time. But what yr missing with that argument is that due to adding that multirole capability, F16s ended up loosing or compromising on their maneuverability(lighter wings of early f16A block 0 to 20 vs heavier wings from block 25 to 70) Today when u see F16V blk70 carrying those triple racks under its wings, this would have given its designer a heart attack if he was still alive today as this was NEVER his intention while designing this aircraft.
Same way with this FA50's multirole capability being added will also make the Koreans compromise on certain things, things which maybe crucial.
That is why i wrote that JF17/F20 were designed from day 1 as multirole fighter aircrafts instead of what was primarily designed as a trainer and fighting capability was added later on. As in these small single engine light fighters, u can add something new by only compromising something else most of the time due to lack of space, which is in result due of their small size. This FA50 was originally T50 trainer. Later this FA50 version was build as a LIFT aircraft meaning a trainer who can fight more or less. These will remain the problem for these LIFT platforms including for the Italian M346 and Chinese L series trainers/LIFT
It's such a great module in DCS.
It is ware proven with confirm kills
The thing is, what's replacing the F-16 (and the F/A-18 in similar roles) is the F-35. So, the capability gap is widening between those who can and can't.
its the economic ties and numbers that will matter. aircraft contracts are alliances. can the usa stand against the whole world? and how many hits to the usa arms econ can it take as market share erodes so will power. its not only about raw aircraft capabilities stop being so simplistic and short sighted
The new Boeing-Saab Redhawk will be a strike capable fighter not just a trainer jet.
@@marsmotion All those things being true, still doesn't mean FTC is wrong.
See Australia F35 problems as they just released a scathing report with some US military officials agreeing. Supersonic for 50 seconds? So many other problems still. After 20 years.. They are pissed that the latest F35s are coming off the line now are not mission capable of fighting the Chinese. Stop the BS the F35 is junk. Our own people say so.
@@marsmotion lo go look at the us colored warplans. The pentagon goes through invasion and warplans to invade and fight even our closest allies for fun….
Thunder was designed with Block Development in mind.
First Blocks like F16 we're that great but kept on development.
Similarly, Block 3 has AESA, PL 12,PL 15 missiles, modern suites, HUD & new systems
The biggest feature is plug n play. You can get European systems or Chinese systems depending on the customers' relations with EU , from italy ( Leonardo )
JF-17 has an Iranian UAV in its Kill list
Also Thunder was also used to bomb military installations in indian occupied Jammu & Kashmir after indian jets violated the international border of Pakistan a day before during which they dropped the payload in the forest & ran back when engaged by the Pakistani fighter jets...
Nice joke
@@destroyedsoul1791 ur whole force is a joke dear 😂
@@destroyedsoul1791 its public info
kashmir mila? whos the joke?
@@Aniketshyamnai mila. Air sortie thi. Ground invasion nai
The latest block III (2021) with AESA radar and LRAAM & HOBS missiles can easily replace earlier block F-16s (block 10 to 25) in Airforces around the world. The earlier blocks of JF-17 (block 1 & 2) can easily replace Mirages (III, V, early 2000s), Mig-29s, Mig-21s/ F-7s, F-5s etc.
Forget combat, this plane can't even fly! Pakistan & Myanmar grounded more than half of JF17 fleet because they can't access spare parts for its Russian engines. You think the USA will waive sanctions to buy Russian parts for a Chinese plane? The Chinese don't even use this, they have the J-10. This plane is a Lemon sold to poor, desperate countries by China to steal their money and keep them in debt trap!
@@distorteddingo9230 LMAO! what a joker, lying won't help you. Only in hate-filled and third grade indian websites tell those jokes. Maybe you sad little things are doing this because literally no one is even looking at the 60's designed Tejas. Every genuine aviation experts knows that JF-17s have the highest sortie rates and its one of the world's top reliable fighter. That's why 3 airforces have it and many more interested. Look up its jaw dropping performances in air shows the way it goes vertical just after leaving the runaway shows its incredible agility.
BTW! JF-17 is Pakistan air force most dependable & top reliable fighter. It needs way less maintenance then F-16s & Mirages. A little advice, never believe in the crappy indian website stories what photo / videos or any official pakistani source they had to make these ridiculous claims ? Any tom or harry can write anything but without proofs it only comes back to your face.
@@usermk99 Says the beggar who just went to the IMF for more money, after China turned off the lights because PAK couldn't afford to pay back your loans. You can't even support your people after floods and you want to support 137+ fighter aircraft, engines, parts, and weapons. The only people that Pakistan fools is its own people. You literally have nothing the world wants. Everyone just uses you. Turkey doesn't even give you free visa entry., China takes the money you beg from the IMF, Saudi and USA. Completely delusional. If the engines are Russian and anyone who buys Russian parts is sanctioned, how can you maintain your fleet? Common sense does not exist in your stupid country because it teaches you Quran not Science or Math.
@@DistortedDingo :D I knew from your first comment that I am talking to a very small mind person that's filled with hatred. Whatever trash you write is based on bias and has ZERO value.
As far as your rant about begging is concerned, just try to look up wheres the world's largest population of beggars resides, what's the slum capital of the world?, where's the world's largest population of under poverty line ppl are... There's one answer and that is India. So you need to introspect yourself as well and instead spending money here or there, do spend it on your people. What an indian living in slums is really benefitting from india's reserves ? NOTHING!. Absolute joke of a humanity. Ask your govt to give you free education, free health and lift the people out of poverty before lecturing someone else.
Now about engine. First, JF-17s are quite new aircrafts they don't need engine upgrades atm. Secondly, PAC has engine overhauling capability itself in the country, Thirdly even worst case scenario the Chinese already have made the more powerful version of the same engine (WS-13 which is already in production) and that's more likely will be installed in next blocks as well as for Argentinian airforce if they go ahead with the sale. According to your low IQ OR totally lack of sense / lack of knowledge that anything anyone buy from Russia is sanctioned then the biggest worry should be for india. Your entire military is based on russian technology. The most equipment on naval ships / brahmos missiles, the land based equipment / entire airforce except few platforms are all russian.. I mean do you even look at mirror how stupid u look making hilarious statements ?
About country teaching Quran and not science. Again talk with logic and with facts. An advice should you choose to take, stop watching crappy indian analysts youtube channels and bias indian media. Try to find your sources through international media. We are just amazed the kind of hilarious info you all are fed with. Every bakht talk same crap that is far from reality.
@@usermk99 1) China refuses to use this plane because its garbage which why they have ONLY J-10 2) the USA gave India exemption for s400 purchase will kicking Turkey out of F35 because INDIA is in military and economic alliance with USA against China (QUAD and I2U2) they will never sanction INDIA and if they do FRANCE & RUSSIA will VETO because they are main suppliers to INDIA 3) Pakistan has the 3rd worst passport in the world, only Afghanistan and North Korea ranks lower 4) goes ask the Bangladesh what living in Pakistan was like. Go ask , Pashtun, Baloch why they will rip Pakistan apart within 10 years. 5) Pakistan Can't even pay for flood insurance without begging IMF for more money. 6)You have no economy. You are the country that will forever be known as the home of Osama Bin Landen. NO ONE WANTS YOU> UAE canceled your VISA, PAK ambassador to Turkey apologize because "PAKISTANI PERVETS GET OUT" was trending on Twitter in Turkey.
Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩. It’s good to see that, how Pakistan’s defence industry growing. No hate to anyone.
Thank you brother
Yeah, thanks to cheap imports from China. China so eager to dump junk in this bankrupt third world country
@@lifenugget3313 Jealous Tejas
I'm not sure where did you get the idea that Pakistan was replacing F-16 with JF 17... JF-17 was designed to replace F-7 and A-5 and older variants of mirages...
Yeah I was wondering where this came from lol. The JF-17 is meant to supplement the F-16 in Pakistani service, not replace it.
@@dave_riots how you supposed to supplement an aircraft that doesn't get supported? It's not like they're going to get updated F16 stuff.
@@WALTERBROADDUS from what I recall, the F-16 is still supported, but their employment is constrained for missions approved by the US.
@@martindione386 which is a prime reason not to buy American. Too many strings attached.
@@WALTERBROADDUS tell me about it, I'm from Argentina! XD
the time when JF17 was developed it was planned to be more capable than F16's but the newer generations of fighting falcons are improved ones so are able to outperform JF17 but no one could ignore its attractive price tag and availability these are the things which F16's fails to compete
there are some technical aspects of JF-17C (BlkIII) that it beats Block 52 hands down: JF-17C has true first see and-shot capability and most of its weapon platforms are Stand of Weapons (SOW) means long-range e.g: PL-15, PL-10, PD-10, CM-102, CM-400, Ra'ad, CM-802, while F-16 block 52 only has AIM-120 MRAAM some of the countries have Harpoon Anti-ship that's about it.
The only difference is that F-16s are combat tested and proven while JF-17s have never been in combat. and we don't know how good the chinese PL-15 missiles are in reality.
@@ahmedmukhtar6961 JF-17 has flown close tor more sorties as using its PGM against terrorist, it was on CAP mission when the F-16 shot down MiG-21 and Su-30
@@sabresecuritydefenseconsul1308 yes but that still doesn't make it combat tested and proven like the f16. Being a support aircraft to f16s doesn't make it combat proven. And again it's Chinese missiles so we don't know how reliable are they.
@@ahmedmukhtar6961 seems like your theises of combat testing is flawed and skewed, combat testing is not just having a CAP mission or engaging in AAC, why flagging the Chinese missiles for being reliable in retro the American Sparrow and French R-530D have never passed the reliability test.
@@sabresecuritydefenseconsul1308 That is exactly what combat tested is. F-16s have been engaged in dog fights and ground raids so therefore we know how it performs in certain situations. JF-17s have not. Even during zarb e azb pakistan used mostly F-16s to bomb the militant hideout. if this is not what combat tested is then do you care to explain what your definition is
I dont think un sanctionable fighter is the first reason countries decide on the buying the JF-17. I think it is the cheapest modern multi role light fighter you can get. Myanmar got them for around 16 million USD a piece, and supposedly they can be bought for cheaper. The F-16 new is around 60 million USD.
And that is a valid reason to select a significantly less capable aircraft (amd realistically, despite all the hype China and Pakistan put out, the JF-17 is far less capable than current production export F-16s... even using the Chinese marketing performance figures).
But, having an aircraft that is four times or more capable doesn't help if the four times or more price tag means you simply *can't afford enough of them* to give you the coverage you need, especially if you can get adequate coverage out of less capable (but equally less expensive) fighters.
That was literally the idea behind the US F-5 in the late 1950s.
The fact that it sidesteps any potential EU or US sanctions or export limits is also useful for some nations. For example, any fighter equipped with Martin-Baker ejection seats is pretty much a non-starter for Argentina, due to the Falklands dispute - the UK is not going to sign off on letting British ejection seats be installed in fighters that they may face in combat, if it means Britain can block a potential foe (who still sabre-rattles over the issue) from getting more advanced fighters.
Myanmar has grounded these fighters, go figure.
@@AM-SD To be fair, while it is entirely possible that Myanmar got a bunch of flawed JF-17s, the technical issues they are describing as causing the grounding of their JF-17 fleet are *all* things that poor maintenance (a long standing issue for Myanmar, amd one even thier own government admits to) and a bunch of pilots routinely subjecting the aircraft to serious over-g (this can be a problem even with the F-16, and that aircraft is capable of *far* more g-loading than most pilots can take, provided you don't do it while carrying a bunch of stores on the wings). So, absent more data, I wouldn't take Myanmar's difficulties as indicating actual issues with the aircraft - could be poor maintainer training, poor maintainer logistics support, failure to allow maintainers the time they need to work on the aircraft (a problem *every* air force has, requiring strong leadership at the squadron level to push back against demands from higher to "quit funding about and get those planes in the air!" when they haven't had their routine scheduled maintenance), hot shot pilots ignoring the aerodynamic and structural limits of their airframes, poor quality control from the factory, any any combination in any ratio of any ot all of these factors.
The aircraft *design* looks rather credible, provided you don't believe the marketing hype and expect it to be something other than an "economy" model multi-role *light* fighter, with limits inherent to the design choices and trade-offs made. (Again, it is *indentical* in concept and role as the earlier US F-5, even though the two designs nearly 50 years apart have no *engineering* relationship. If US or allied air forces had been taking brand new F-5s and treating them like they were new F-4s or Mirages while skimping on maintenance, the F-5s would have broken down in a couple of years. Because you can't misuse and abuse an aircraft, and try to force a heavier role on a light airframe than it was designed for, and not have problems.)
@@geodkyt The myanmar airforce recently released a video of using the jf17s and their plitos went to Pakistan recently for special training
@@AM-SD f35s were grounded too a while back. Doesn't take away the fact that it's a highly capable fighter.
It's amazing how much in appearance it's like the F-5 and F-20.
Exactly, why develop new designs when you can copy and modify existing and sucessful ones.
This is an almost carbon copy of the F20 Tigershark.
More like a F-16 with F-35 style intakes, also a big old Russian engine, probably out of a older airplane they quit making like a Su-27 or even a Mig-29 with lower power. Easy to make being they already make F-16's and have an assembly line. So does Turkey.
US was involved in the project in the early days.
It was call Chengdu/Grumman Super 7.
Grumman has contributed some of the early design. Hence to your answer.
Look it up. It was the days when US and China had much better relationships.
More like the Century Fighters mixed with a Fighting Falcon
Unless you're fighter force is solely homegrown technology you will always face restrictions on ability no country in there right mind will pass on there first line tech whether it is Eastern or western nations
That's not even mentioning the fact that joint projects like this always compromise because no two nations align perfectly in mission parameters. The US and Russia can sell derivatives of their force as a tailored need per nation, because they are the only two capable of building a fleet of multiple platforms and also exporting them at scale. China is near, but not there yet, so we get this type of compromised export.
And they are still using Russian engines.
U.S. being the most notorious and worst track record.
The ultimate truth
I agree as a starting point they are useful like what Israel did with there mirage aircraft evolving into iai kfirs
JF-17 Block 3 is the latest version with AESA Radar and PL-15 Air to Air BVR missiles. Thunder is designed to replace old F-7 and Mirages.
Incorrect. Only Earlier version of Thunder was meant to replace F-7s, Mirages, mig29s etc. The latest variant with AESA radar and many more capabilities can easily replace older F-16s (earlier blocks 10-25) which are over 30-40 years old airframes with obsolete electronics.
@@usermk99 Can it replace PAF F-16 block 52 ? J-10Cs are taking top slot of F-16s in PAF.
End Result: Countries are buying JF17 , nothing more matters
A very capable aircraft. PAC and CAC set themselves very realistic goals, a block approach to the development, the latest BLK III taking it to 4.5 gen capabilities.
Very cost effective solution to modern day defence needs.
how does the block approach to development work?
@soft_dicc bro do you even know about 60s tech fighters lol
@soft_dicc AESA Radar and fly by wire? The geometry looks very 60s though. That rear viability - wouldn't wanna get into a dogfight.
@soft_dicc Okay apparently someone was lying about it having AESA. So am I right that it uses the KLJ-7 though? It has TWS and multiple target tracking - while it’s no AESA, I wouldn’t call it 60s tech.
Though just looking at the airframe I assume it has some serious limitations. Poor rear viability, and those intakes look very small compared to an F-16.
It’s a Chinese planes painted with Pakistani flag. Lacks modern composites.
The key here is "unsanctionable"
Respect on Pakistan they have balls to stand on there own and not relying on western dictator and become there puppet
They are already a chinese puppet
Thank you bro... ❤
Even if it isn't perfect, people underestimate how impressive it is to successfully produce a fighter type.
I was lucky enough to see the project on own school tour and also witnessed it's first flight, though it's designed like f16 it's not a competition to f16, it can never compete f16 but saying that it does achieve the purpose it was built for, that is to have an aircraft of our own with full technology in our control, with f16 also came many restrictions therefore building a plane like jf17 was inevitable for Pakistan. Now Pakistan aeronautical complex is able to produce around 18 to 20 planes a year and it has significantly increased the strength of Pakistan air force. Saying that, for direct assault or defense the primary plane for PAF is still f16.
Yeah, JF-17 is a *very* good fit for Pakistan, especially as the "lower cost, higher numbers" pair of a high-low mix.
Likewise good for other nations that don't necessarily face real top shelf threats, and cannot support a massive fighter force. For example, it would do everything Argentina credibly would need, and for a buy of similar total cost, would do it better than if Argentina bought Eurofighters (which have export issues with regard to Argentina), F-16, or even Sukhoi or MiG aircraft... Argentina can actually *afford* enough JF-17s to do what they actually need fighters to do.
You are a little Chinese hypocrite tell people the truth the planes sent to Nigeria broke down the plains sent to Pakistan half of them already broke down
The days of using F-16s as spear head are over now.... PAF will rely on J-10C and Thunder Block-3 due to their superior avionics.
for that purpose its a great aircraft. Its something your county has the capability to produce and upgrade for the most part independently, and still provides a decent multi role platform.
@@geodkyt hence why argentina currently uses highly upgraded A4AR skyhawks, they're cheap, fairly simple to operate compared with other platforms, and realistically meet their needs.
This new design looks like a combination of the F-16, the F/A-18 and the F-5.
Not bad, but i wonder how capable it will actually be, and more important, how independent Pakistan will be with it.
Because if China has proven one thing, then it´s that it too is as restrictive, or even more so, than the US.
Wrong, It's based on MiG-21
@@UnsungAces I purely meant optics.
Hence "looks like".
At no point was there shown enough to judge on the internal components or the actual capabilities of the plane.
Nope
definitely the F-20 tigershark
@@verdebusterAP F-5 and F-20 look pretty much identical.
Because they are just different versions of each other.
@@sim.frischh9781
No the JF-17 is rip off of the F-20
In the hands of a capable pilot, any fighter jet can be deadly.
not true in new age when you also need STUPID on other side, if enemy can see you first and fire on you with capable missile no matter how expert are you you are dead it like thinking a brave expert Gladiator with sward can take on modern soldier
As an unofficial nickname from the DCS community, its got the best nickname "Jeff". Meh Jeff!!
All those indians making fun of JF-17
Why don't you ask abhinandan how was JF-17??
Mig 21 Bisen, 60 years old fighter jet shot down F-16 and got shot down by the same while Junk Fighter was in hanger waiting for Engines and a Chinese technician. Now go cry
@@RohitSingh-ql2nf indians are genius people, they even have the best explanations for their failures 🤣🤣🤣
@@RohitSingh-ql2nflol how is your tejas? Oh wait! It’s servicing right lol
@@netsimam😂😂😂 tejas still on the truck rejected by their own air force and navy
Bro great video but u made a few mistakes as new block 3 of jf 17 is more capable and already have 6 _ 10 units made and has been roll out
It's asea radar and has more modern missiles in it's fleet . However paf made Jeff 17 to replace j -7 aircrafts , mirages and u were right also that other reason was us restrictions to get rid of them . Great video btw
Forget combat, this plane can't even fly! Pakistan & Myanmar grounded more than half of JF17 fleet because they can't access spare parts for its Russian engines. You think the USA will waive sanctions to buy Russian parts for a Chinese plane? The Chinese don't even use this, they have the J-10. This plane is a Lemon sold to poor, desperate countries by China to steal their money and keep them in debt trap!
JF-17 is quite a beautiful aircraft in my opinion.
F-16 is a much larger aircraft than the JF-17, dare i say it's a medium weight aircraft. JF-17 is complementary for now. Let's see what block 3 and block 4 (in future) bring towards operational readiness and service costs...
The whole video falls apart, including the "Not an F-16 Fighter" title, because Pakistan is not going to replace them anytime soon, and recently there was an upgrade approval by the US, which made big headlines mainly because India was furious.
this is a good example of small countries need to have weapons to protect themselves
6th largest military and not a small country
@@ghufran5302 if u compare to who is their potential enemy
@@ghufran5302 plus pakistan is selling it to small countries
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The jeff was not meant to replace the F-16. It was meant to be an additional capability in the form of a lightweight fighter that could serve as the backbone of the PAF. Medium weight fighters like the F-16 were supposed to serve as the higher more capable but smaller part of the fleet.
The replacement for the F-16 is the J-10c. Even beforehand when issues with the F-16 had arose, the Pakistan considered early J-10 variants (like the A) to replace the viper.
Furthermore, near the end, you mentioned that the Jeff is far behind the latest F-16's in terms of capabilities. While this is true in the payload aspect, this is merely a fact because the two aircraft are completely different weight categories. Furthermore, the latest Jf-17 variant, the Block 3, has quite advanced avionics and electronical systems along with the capability to be equipped with state of the art weapons, (both air to air and air to ground) it is quite the capable jett and not as bad as the video claims to be.
Does Pakistan have the Viper Variant or the Fighting Falcon?
My name us Jeff!
Eventually Future blocks of JF-17 will replace F-16. currently block 3 is already very advanced aircraft!
Incorrect. What you said is true for first block of JF-17s in 2000s. The latest block III (2021) with AESA radar and LRAAM & HOBS missiles can easily replace earlier block F-16s (block 10 to 25) in Airforces around the world.
@@usermk99 Yes they can replace earlier F-16's but that simply because they are but that- early. Furthermore, again, F-16 does belong in a completely different weight category when compared to the Jeff. Yes the Jf-17 may be very appeasing to some countries NOW after its many upgrades over older aircraft but that is simply a matter of coincidence and not the Jf-17's orignal goal.
I don't understand why JF17 is compared to Tejas when the former was meant to a budget friendly light fighter while the latter was designed to be able to be as good as more expensive jets but still being cheap.
JF-17 Block 3 is gonna be a game changer
Its literally just a latter day F-20 Tiger Shark. Seems to work mind especially the Block III variant
JF17thundar block3 4.5+ generation is the game changer ❤️❤️🇵🇰🇵🇰💪💪
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This fighter is the natural replacement for older types like the Mig-21, Mirage, A-4, etc. Provides a decent performance at a fraction of the cost of an F-16. Good choice for third World countrys that can't afford a high tech fighter or are not allowed to own due to political reasons
exactly, i think it's a good replacement for the mig and mirage jets but definitely no a f--16 replacement yet.
Wait till economies of scale kick in to wipe your elitism.
It reminds me quite a bit of the F-20 Tigershark.
Remarkable achievement of a poor nation to produce its own fighter aircraft & be free of any sanctions, wow 😯 that’s amazing
You forgot to tell that JF 17 also capable of carrying RAAD ( Nuclear Missile)
The JF-17 was built to replace the J-7 or Chinese Mig-21 copy flown by Pakistan primarily, not to replace the F-16
the jf-17 is a really cool fighter.
yeah witha lot of technical faults and engine problems
Ignore the Indians. Their frustration with Arjun tank and Tejas spills everywhere.
@@yourpapa6641 pakistani rat
@@tacticaltanny27 ok indian
@@tacticaltanny27 Not like Tejas
JF17 is a fighter which gives the buyer freedom of US and Western political pressure. Top on that it's low price and vast selection of amu makes it excellent choice of today.
Good for them. More countries should look into developing their own defence industry. Over reliance on the US is a bad thing no matter what country you are.
Japan actually can be totally independent of foreign countries in procuring defense products if it wants to. Would you believe that Japan is capable of building ICBMs?
Woah man! Best documentary! 👏👏👍
Countries considering the JF-17 are not expecting to mix it up with the F-35. They want a new plane that can dominate the MiG-21s that their neighbors are still flying.
Pretty much. A slightly better shitbox to take out older shitboxes
@Abhijeet Kundu yet it has secured export to 2 other countries meanwhile Tejas has been rejected in every competition. After 40 years of Tejas development only 40 were ever inducted including 10 prototypes lol... Here is enough data to prove. Lol brainless indians
@Abhijeet Kundu and what is your source lol? Just this month Nigeria released thunder against Bol Haram lol. Myanmar pilots are training currently to use LGBs... Where is Tejas? No one wanna buy that shit piece.. your own navy rejected it... Your airforce just inducted 40 piece after 40 years lol. Thunder is operational in 150+ lol... Go get a life on a railway track...stupid indians
@Ahmed Aaqib he said because of the evidences, lol
@Abhijeet Kundu Stop believing Bollywood
looks like the love child of a Tigershark and Viggen.
It looks a lot like a merger of F16 and F18, done the 1980's Russian style.
Nah
90s hardbass Ruso-Chinese style 😎
lol, it was called the super 7 initially, named after the J7(Chinese mig 21) literally mig 21 body with F16/18 style wings. but it has a turbo fan. fairy easy to make in large numbers and can shoot morden missiles.
This reminds me of an article I read about the history of the plane, earlier this year. All I can say is I wish them good luck sorting out its various issues.
When I saw the title, I thought it was about the Taiwanese F-CK-1 Indigenous Defense Fighter. Looks a lot like the F-16 and the F/A-18 Hornet had a love child.
About the time Taiwan was ready to manufacture these, we sold them F16s.
The US has done a similar thing to Canada with their home-grown fighter plane.
@@GnuReligion speaking of Canada, for some reason the Chengdu J-20 reminds me of the Avro Arrow. Maybe it just me because the J-20 is the closest thing to a modern day Arrow.
I didn't understand what former President Isehour meant when he said beware of the Military Industrial Complex. Now today its more pervasive than ever.
I congratulate you for making once again an extremely informative yet unbiased video. The extent of your research on the subjects you choose reflect your seriousness towards what you are doing. Don't feel sad on the comments below. Even PAK commentators don't seem to know what they are talking about and their ignorance annoy other PAKs (I am a PAK, too), let alone the others whose negative and out of this world remarks only show their extreme jealousy and narrow mindedness. Keep making documentaries like this. May God be with you we pray, Amen.
Well done Pakistan 🇵🇰 and 🇨🇳 China. Great partnership for both countries.
A great start, it took the west decades to improve their aircraft, this is just baby steps from Pak, but in a few decades, I can only imagine what is in store...
JF17 was made by Pakistan (& China assisted) as per her needs, a low cost, reliable and multirole 4.5 gen fighter jet.
JF17 was developed to fulfil requirements of PAF not of USAF, Europe or other big players.
Jf17 thunder jet fighter is one of the best jet fighter plane in the world, it has all the defensive needs of any country of the world. This jet fighter is reliable
let's go dark skies made a video on JF 17 I have not even seen the video but still let's goo!!
After watching the video it's very informational and interesting. There have been upgrades to the JF 17 with the latest being the Block 3.
though it can't compare to American fighters like the F 16 it is still a nice aircraft, as said in the video light, cheap, and unsanction-able it's a great fighter for developing nations with low military budget compared to USA's budget
If an F-16 and an F-20 Tiger shark had a baby, it would look like this fighter.
Then who could be a mom? F-16 or F-20?
And this whole market could’ve been the US as if they had continued producing the tigershark
The F-16 made the F20 irrelevant.
@@WALTERBROADDUS not to the countries that can’t afford the F-16
@@Scott079 that's why Saab is making money.
I am amazed after reading a few comments that how knowledgable people are vis a vis the JF 17. Interesting and heart warming.
Cool little plane, definitely has a teen series vibe
JF-17 was never meant to replace the F-16, it's supposed to supplement the F-16 fleet, sure it can outsmart the older variants but Blk 72 viper can roll it over any time
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Economy screwed, Pakistan zinda bhag... lol
It looks like they married a fuselage of a F-105 and the wings of a F-16.
JF-17 can get an AESA radar.
Its stands better chance at winning a fight, than even most of russias fighter jets. most Russian jets are PESA radar.
JF-17 might not be the best dogfighter. But when was the last dog fight ever? these days its about beyond visual range combat.
in bvr combat having AESA radar is key to victory
The latest JF-17 block III (2021) has AESA radar and LRAAM (BVR at 150kms) & HOBS missiles.
JF17 block 3 has PL15 a2a missile, whose export variant has a 145km range, and the original variant has a range of 200 km.
Yes JF 17 block 3 consists of AESA radar with Pl 15 BVR integrated.... In a recent ariel exercise in saudia Arabia.... PAF JF 17 defeated comprehensively Euro fighter typhoon in a dog fight... 6 : 2.... ❤❤❤
0:55 They should have called the project "Fireball", because that's what it will be if it runs up on an actual F-16.
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx What, blow up? That's what happens when your opponent has superior force and training. They could stay on the ground and not be a flying fireball, at least.
@@shipofthesun No use, he is just an ignorant Pakistani. They lack common sense.
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx Pretty much any country that has F-16s, but the U.S. in particular.
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx That would be fantastic. Except it's about the hardware, not geopolitics. I know plenty about that as well, thanks.
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx where did we find Bin Laden hiding, again?
He is right that Pakistan needed an unsanctionable aircraft free of US embargoes. Pakistan long defence tryst of more than 67 years with the US is tainted with repeated sanctions. The only way out was to be free of such limitations. Definitely a JF-17 cannot technically replace an F-16 but figuratively yes, it is the only choice left with the PAF to operate- maintain & upgrade independently. In the event of a complete ban on her F-16 fleet ( like happened after 1998, or the US sanctions which decimated which its F104A/Bs after 1965 Indo-Pak war), the only true aircraft to replace it in numbers is the JF-17.
True, was the psychology behind naming it (J)F-17 a number above the F-16!.
After 1965 war US sanctioned both India & Pakistan, Pakistan must reley more on Turkyeë/ PRC or built an domestic defence complex ( but that would be cost constrain)
Excellent presentation as always
This is irritating for several reasons, the main one being that we are more than capable of building excellent, INEXPENSIVE combat aircraft. But we don't.
Nah you're not... The simple cost of labour would be incrementally high leave the parts.
looks like an f-16 and an f-18 got drunk one night and produced a love child lol.
Like a lot of non-western projects, this too is dependent on Russian engines. What happens if Russia is suddenly unwilling or unable to supply those engines? As hard as it has tried, China has been less than successful in replicating Russian engine production. While China _can_ supply engines for aircraft, they fall short of Russian built ones in terms of quality.
From Block 3 they’re planning to replace the Russian engine with the Chinese one
China is quickly developing ws-13x which is 100+kn of thrust and should be better than RD-93
@@minhmeo9506 Even with Chinese engines, you have the same problem: If you buy the JF-17, you are marrying yourself to Beijing. This video set up the premise that being dependent on the US via the F-16 is too great a cost, as though buying the JF-17 doesn't place you at the whims of Whims of Chinese Wolf Warrior Diplomacy because of any perceived slight. The fact that Pakistan is not replacing F-16's, unlike what the video says, goes to show the false premise.
@@aap9167 I've been hearing similar rumors for at least 20 years. "We've finally got the metallurgy figured out." A year later, apparently not.
@@tarmaque that doesn't mean they haven't come a long way though. Their main focus was on the larger ws-10 engine which they are finally now favoring instead of the Al-31s for the J-10, J11 and J-16 fighters. Then you have the WS-15 for J-20 which will enable it to supercruise.. ws-13 or ws-21 would power JF-17, FC-31 carrier based 5th gen fighter and some large UAVs. So if 20 years ago they decided that the metallurgy wouldn't be enough.. they would have been still here today. The WS-10 in it's category is providing enough power that the Chinese are satisfied with them and using them for new airframes instead of Russian engines. Soon they'll have multiple sized turbofans for different class aircraft producing in conjunction... The thing is the Chinese have both trained labour and the money for R&D thus they'll get there sooner or later.
you forgot to mention that during 2019 India-Pakistan skirmishes,pakistan used jf17 thunder to shoot down 2 indian mig 21 in which 1 indian pilot named Abhinandan was capturerd but later released
JF-17 is probably MiG-21's most distant Chinese cousin.
The main idea as said was to replace aging F-7s, A5s and Mirage-3s.
Most of them can't even fire decent mid range bvr. Now PAF has JF-17s which is far superior than the above mentioned. Meanwhile PAF thunder block-3 has AESA radar and more advance avionics than our F-16s... In the short future we will witness J-10Cs and JF-17s as spearhead of PAF meanwhile F-16s will be used for certain missions. Thunder had become workhorse of PAF and hence the numbers which shows the confidence of PAF in that project. It's a bailout and chain breaker for countries who want to replace their aging Russian and American Jets without shackles.
But anyway congratulations Pakistan from India
@ahmedaaqib4380 we all did
Thank You :)
Congratulations on your Space Program Indian
Great video. However, JF-17 Thunders were not designed to replace F-16s. They were designed and produced to replace third-generation aircraft such as Miraged, J7s, and J6s that made a bulk of the inventory of PAF. Currently, PAF is inducting J10Cs as well, which are as capable as the latest version of F-16 Vipers. Pakistan is no longer dependent on American made F-16s now.
Nice and interesting video presentation 4 sure ✅️ 💯
This aircraft cannot be explained without the Yugoslav-Romanian consortium YuRom and IAR 95.
Wow, indeed it looks similar
All of the jets brought by mayanmar are grounded right now🤣🤣🤣
They released a video of using them recently
Indian propaganda 😂
They have only grounded the aircraft die to the sanctions on Russia and the unavailability of the RD-93 engine to power the aircraft, otherwise the aircraft is fine, it's only a temporary grounding
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx first fix faulty vacuum pipes on junk Chinese rail cars you recently imported. They all are out of service. Fact junk fighter 17 Chinese dump on your bankrupt third rate country's face.
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx fix your education first, you will not junked by Chinese. Aeytemi taakat doesn't help your bankrupt nation while you eat grass to fuel your junk fighter 17 blunder
If memory serves, not too long ago I read an article about this plane. Long story short, the article described it as a serious hot mess that failed to come close to the lofty aspirations set before it.
🐄🇮🇳💩🦠
It was an Indian writer who wrote the article, what else can expect from a rival nation.
"mom i want f16"
"we have f16 at home"
This is whole thing reminds me of Jerry leaving Jerry Daycare.
Pakistan and Turkey: Sell us fighters
USA: Only if these conditions are met
P and T: No, sell us fighters.
USA: No.
P and T and China: Then we’ll make our own fighter!
USA: Okay that was always allowed😊
Yes! Then they come crawling back just like jerry
Its always about taking a step forward and then backward and then repeating it. Thats how u deal with USA. Pakistan and Turkey did gain something by acquiring US fighter jets which boost their defense capabilities for few decades while giving them valuable technical know how and training. That was later used in the production of these local fighter jets but the game is not over. Pakistan and Turkey can still corporate with USA in future for acquiring even more advanced weapoary 😂😂😂
I noticed how you managed to avoid stating plainly Americans refusal to provide basic weapons to long time and loyal allies like Turkey and Pakistan. This included refusing to sell BVR missiles, without which these F16s were sitting ducks. Even Americans did provide BVRs like it did to Egypt, these are useless AIM-7 Sparrows that Sudanese Libyan and Ethiopian Airforces can out range easily.
With the JF17, its PL15 out ranges ever missle in NATO aresenal. Certainly it can outrange ever F16 with AIM120D. JF17 may not be able to fly as fast and as high, nor carry as big a radar, when it uses the awesome PL15, but all of those things would require aircraft many times as expensive to buy and operate.
However, the JF17 force is built to go up against Indian Sukhois, Rafales, and MiG29s, but with support from AEW, F16 block 52, and J10C.
Thank you for true and unbiased report ✌ 🇵🇰
The Tigershark was and always will be badass. Governmental fuckery and decades long feuds between the DoD (USAF) and Northrop caused it to fail.
To me, the JF-17 looks like the bastard son of Phantom F-4!
But in recent it's being heard that Pakistan is going for 6th generation j31 .
Now they have got JF 17 and J20 c.
That's lethal air force.
Damn!
Chuck Yeager first man to break the speed of sound and one of the best pilots that ever lived said the F 20 Tigershark with the finest plane he ever flew in and was very angry that it was not adopted I wonder what he would’ve thought of the F 35 or F 22
Its one of the best cheap brand new fighters in the world.
This video has sparked my interest in the F16s foreign operators, surely make a vid on the F16s overseas service?
I don't think this program will turn out to be low cost in the end. What every war- including the current one in Ukraine- has demonstrated is that the most expensive weapon is the one that wasn't good enough.