Next soldering station: Unisolder or Pace ADS200 ?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2018
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Whad'ya know, another soldering tool video ... in this one I am trying to decide which one will occupy the prestigious position of being my main soldering station. The most attractive candidates are Unisolder 5.2 which I would have to assemble from scratch and Pace ADS200 which I would have buy. What do you think? 
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"unnecessary suffering in the stock photography business" LOL !
That $15 radioshack iron will rework your fine pitch SMD components no problem!
25W ought to be enough for anyone! You could fly to the moon on 25W!
Nope, they'll still hold the soldering iron on the hot metal part.
Came here to make a comment, but of course, it's been said... This one sentence really gave me a good laugh!
Love the fact they especially the lady in the stock photography business they holds the by the hot metal end? Then highly doubt a plug in soldering iron will do SMD rework on a motherboard, or even replaceing SMD capacitors? LOL
Louis commentary straight to the point ).
Fedor Lejepekov Louis is life
Unlike his actual videos where he takes 40 minutes to explain one point
"seems to be putting a lot of energy into the shaft, almost human behavior isn't it" - classic!
"I know a certain Australian who would not like it at all" HAHA 😂
Dave doesn't like a lot of things. :D
Yeah, and spend 47 minutes blathering about it!
Just FYI, he didn't like it at all hahahahahah...
Yep he didn't like it at all. ruclips.net/video/WXL-pWD44pc/видео.html
Hashan Gayasri - That was my thread at EEVblog and I've renamed it since (it seems Dave misunderstood *why* I said "JBC killer"...). It's close enough to the performance and half the price of JBC, even less when taking into consideration that JBC tips don't last that long and Pace tips cost 3 times less and have thicker longer lasting iron plating.
Rossmann Intensifies
I tried making a list of possible subtle and not so subtle references to other 'tubers in this video. Are there any more than these?
2:54 Louis Rossmann
4:45 AvE (Unusual unboxing techniques)
11:47 This Old Tony (Ninja moves)
13:58 EEVBlog
Gameboygenius excellent channels 😉. Much wow!
Hahahahaha this is hilarious
6:51 Long Long Man
AvE is probably my favorite youtuber, though this Marco fella has quickly moved into the top 5 after finding his TS100 review the other day.
The This Old Tony one is a stretch.
Perhaps adding the Pace handle and cartridges to the Unisolder support list would be a win in both categories? :)
Absolutely! Might even sponsor a tip for SparkyBG ...
Oh, yes, that would be amazing.
And then put the unisolder pcb inside the pace enclosure.
Unisolder needs preassembled boards to become popular. I have a feeling there are 100's of Unisolder projects that have unfinished or damaged PCBs.
The Unisolder reminds me of that Sparkfun soldering iron kit that requires a soldering iron for assembly...
"A handpiece like this could prevent a lot of unnecessary suffering in the stock photography business." - LOL
"This stuff has hydrocarbons and plenty of warning, so it must be good."
:-) Ain't that true. The best stuff is always the nastiest.
Thanks for the shout out. The "custom polarization filters from Ebay" are from me, John Hansknecht. I have several of my own videos describing how they work and why they are useful on my own channel. Light polarization for microscopes is just a hobby for me. In my day job I build lasers to create polarized electrons from electron guns. (Oh, and I use a JBC CD-1SC and would never go back to Pace or Metcal)
cheeky Louis Rossmann @ 2:55 ;)
Kai Bergmann there's no such thing as too much flux 😄😄😅
Perfect sunday morning coffee video.
Marco, your videos are so very well done. I love it when I see a notification that you've posted a new video.
I didnt expect that electronic guy could have such good sense of humor :)
I watch your videos mostly for this :)
Ive seen enough Pace ADS200 reviews. I ordered one , looks like great setup for the price. just waiting on delivery here in the US, replacing my 20 something year old weller
Awsome video once again ... I was kinda leaning on the TS100 and the adapted JBC project ... but indeed this ADS200 seems a very very well made thing! Awsome video once again Marco!
And that 6:45 comment on stock photography is precious ! :) Lol!
Would be interesting to see an OLED interface mod for this
"A lot of energy to the shaft" loved the video!
Great vid.
The powder coating on the pace stand looks like a high temp powder. Nice touch.
Unisolder has a beautiful interface and excellent performance. I think a good candidate to replace your DIY JBC enclosure.
I actually got some original Amtech NC-559-V2-TF from the German Amazon store, and it was sent from the US with no issues at all. It took a long time to arrive but it is nothing short of amazing. It did get some extra attention from customs but nothing major. I am by no means an expert on soldering at all but even I can see how insanely good this stuff does what it is supposed to do.
The range of tips is something that I really like about this station, especially for the tweezers. The MT-200 will take tips from 0.2mm up to 18MM TSOP. You'd have to buy 2 or 3 different size tweezers to get this same coverage with a JBC.
I can honestly say moving to inductive soldering irons was a game changer for me. Reacts to thermal loads instantly and nothing is too big a task for them while still making easy work of SMD. Makes you wonder how you ever put up with older heater element irons. Mines the Thermaltronics brand
As far as i have noticed almost all soldering stations are grounded directly, some alloy to ground them separately. Depends mostly on Application, but i think in the older ones it is because of EMI.
Ich hab mir erst numeulich den TS100 geholt. Ich hab es nicht bereut. Danke dass du ein Video darüber gemacht hast. Ansonsten wäre ich nie auf die Idee gekommen.
@13:59 lol Hmmm Dave maybe lol reminds me of EEVblog Episode #671 =) this is my first visit here to your chan Marco and you have put together some really high quality, professional videos with just the right amount of comedy when needed. Subbed and will keep watching!!! ROCK ON!!!
Just got my ADS200. Pace wasn't able to fulfill my order right away due to a shortage of parts, and they e-mailed me immediately to let me know. Honestly, I'd never have known there was a delay if they hadn't informed me of such, but I appreciate the communication. Solid product, solid company. This is why you don't cheap out.
Exactly for that readon I bought one of the last 1kg spools of 60/40 solder from local shop. Works so much better than the 99% tin/1% copper stuff they sell nowadays.
Yeaaaahhh... once you go JBC or any other internally powered soldering cartridges... it’s impossible to go back to the classic/old-school soldering iron. I’m so used to the JBC performance that whenever I have to use anything else everything just feels super slow and underpowered (even the TS100).
Good to see this Unisolder in action, I’m excited to try one ohhhh yeaaahhh =]
I guess the same Australian would not like that there is a capacitor so close to a heatsink in the first place ✌🏻
Same Australian will always find something he doesn't like even if it doesn't make any discernible difference. Technically he may not be wrong but in the real world it doesn't always work like that. The whole world is being built on faulty designs both known and unknown, but if we waited for everything to be perfected technology today would be decades behind (if working better)
daishi5571 no human is perfect, no design team is perfect, even if engineers and companies tried to come up with the perfect design and a perfect implementation, they will always miss something they didn't see and there will come someone who finally sees it. In real world, there is always the economic side, designers will always need to cheap out on something, leave something out or add a failure point/planned obsolescence to make money!
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Napoleon Bonaparte
:-)
And just how far away from the regulator should you place the caps for good circuit design? Have you looked at the 7805 spec sheet? There are things like trace resistance and inductance to consider around an active analog part.
l wilton well 1 cm is a good value for a short answer. You could start by placing ceramic low value caps close to the leads of the regulator, ceramic caps aren't affected by heat as much as electrolytics and low value caps are effective for high frequencies, best when they are close to the part, helps with the input ripple rejection. Electrolytics will be effective at lower frequencies thus placing them far is not much of a deal. It's better using tantalum/ceramics near the parts being fed from that regulator.
Loved the glowing soldering Iron.
Since the tip of the iron is grounded, I believe setback can be activated simply by touching the tip with a single conductor wire from the "SWITCH" input pin of the mini DIN connector.
Just received mine. Works as shown here. Quite the upgrade from my 25 year old Weller! Now I just have to get a hot air device that is good and not thousands of $$!
13:57... "I know a certain Australian..." Love it. :)
The Australian who shall not be named
11:00 I recognize that cap you're using for water! It's the aluminum topper to a medium/small lava lamp!
I'd love such a soldering station. I'm currently using a Star Tec Solder - Unit ST301 30 watt soldering "station" which takes ages to heat up. I can't even see which temperature it's at. and you literally have to tighten the tips with a screw in order to work. Even though i only have one tip.
Go for the unisolder, it's open source!
I've recently (and with recently i mean last week) finished mine. I've designed my enclosure and now i'm on the holder, everything will be 3D printable, i've posted some previews on the forum. It will toggle iron sleep when it's inserted in the holder, keeping it to around 100°C, for fast recovery and no oxide formation on the tip.
BTW the unisolder uses the same method for power switching: rectified ac in half waves, chopped on the zero point.
And it has two indipendent channels, so you can drive with precise control also e.g. the jbc tweezers.
Valerio Nappi : It is not completly open source , I believe Sparky didn't make the main source code of the software available.
Jacksat yes it is available, you can even recompile it. And sparky encouraged people to do so often.
The only thing that is not released are the altium designer files.
But you have gerbers, bom and schematics. Asking, sparky even shared the 3D models of the boards
I must say tho that I didn't manage to compile it myself, because it needed some outdated software iirc ... used the binaries instead!
Me neither, for now.
It requires XC32 in the paid version to include the optimization flag.
(I've summarized some of these informations in the unisolder-notes repo on github, so people don't have to search through 100+ forum pages to get these basic infos)
github.com/5N44P/unisolder-notes That yours? I've used that extensively, thank you for making that!!!
Hack up one of those other PCBs and bolt it on to the ADS200 to act as the display and use the same UI
I love my old jbc 2200 - recently had to buy new iron but station still doing well
Love my Metcal. Lots of power and fast, easy, tip changes. Still have and like my old Weller TC201 and my TC2000.
Keep the pace, they have never failed me.
I started using PACE soldering / Desoldering systems in the mid 70's.
PACE Systems was part of the tool set used to train Marines in Advanced Printed Circuit aboard Repair. (They already trained on basic and specialized soldering skills) The final was that your board had to work, no one told us the board would be from radios damaged by weapons fire.
Yes, I passed, using the complete PACE SYSTEM, it had everything I would ever need. BTW: the entire class passed, a blessing as we were Aviation Radar Technicians
Marco you have an incredible steady hand on micro SMD. You would have been a great one surgeon !
Very detailed review thanks for the information shared
I’ve never seen anything like this. Bravo Sir..! 👍🏻
Marco definitely keep it. I have an older Pace st 50 with td 100 handle and it’s fantastic.
Also....you can buy genuine Amtech solder paste and flux from tme.eu in Europe.
Thanks for another great video ! Keep them coming please.
Nice 01005 soldering! Maybe combining Unisolder, a TD200 handle and cheap high quality PACE tips are "as good as it gets"? Yes, stock photography could be safer, but choreographer's need to get their kicks too (right?)
I've been *trying* to even find any place that has the ADS200 available.. After numerous soldering stations I'm tired of bullshit and I just want to pay for something that works out of the box. Pace seems to be the only game in town at this price range, while simultaneously not being cheapskate products. I really like their combo units with a desoldering pump built into the same enclosure, takes up no extra space. Unfortunately the ADS200 is not one of those combo units... Ends up being quite expensive in the end if you want the desoldering part.
And, to preempt the angry comments; I'm sure the open source stuff works great, too. But I'm just too tired of screwing around with shit, I just want something professional that just works. I don't care about the user interface, because I'm not intending to sit there poking at it, I intend to use it to solder :)
I feel the same way, had one on back order for ages now.
Metcal stations are great if you want something that just works, no bullshit
Yeah I was actually originally looking for a Metcal, but then I decided to look up what Pace is up to nowadays and I was pretty blown away by their prices. It's not cheap, but it's not hysterically expensive like how JBC or Metcal can often be. Especially once you start including a lot of tools like desoldering guns or whatever.
Maybe not as impressive as this new Pace, especially with it's high thermal capacity tips but have you considered the Xytronic LF3200? Temperature ramp up times at power up are impressive. Works great for my needs. Again, I really like the high thermal capacity tips Pace offers though I haven't needed something like that yet.
You are not looking very hard. I found 6 sources in 20 seconds.
LOL
I recommend Sinnol Multifix 450-01 Gel. It's only thing I have used since my Guru recommended it to me. It works also as emetic too if you sniff the vapor.
Marco you're a genuine pro. How did you become so knowledgeable if I may ask?
If I'd only seen this two weeks ago, researched stations and couldn't find a reliable one on Pace, so I saved a few$$ and went Hakko. Seeing this makes me think different.
I use the JBC NANE-2C daily it’s a comfortable unit and when used with with their smallest tip 0.1mm it’s fantastic on 01005 components .
I think the low cost of the Pace station and tip cartridges make it a good candidate for it's own 3rd party UI PCB which can be switched out. While retaining the enclosure, transformer and iron, etc.
In a previous life I acquired a complete pace rework station off of ebay for lots of dollars. Wasn't a required tool for my job, but I spent many an enjoyable hour taking apart any circuit board that made the mistake of coming too close. While that 7805 is sad, if you can overlook that and still enjoy using it, its worth keeping.
Nothing wrong with a good old simple 7805,these prima donnas act like its the end of the world,use what works and move on.
Love your sense of humor.
1:08 I didn't see the thermal images until he mentioned them 😅
Love your topic and presentation, always.
Few words about critical parameters in soldering tool review / comparison.
Parameter not limited to below.
(1) source power minus transmission loss
(2) settling time to within a specific window
(3) solder tip resistance : dK/W/mm^2.
(4) solder head thermal capacitance - Joules.
(1) intrinsic power
(2) response time / delay
(3) load handling
(4) thermal-mass
Item (3) refers to averages performance
Item (4) refers to peak performance
(3) and (4) are responsible to soldering pleasure.
(2) and (4) complement each other.
Hope these parameters offers better insight in soldering tool review topics.
Regards
Hi Marco,
can you make detailed video how to program the Unisolder for newbies? As you have several Unisolder boards maybe it would
be good time to make that video.Thanks
Appreciate the teardown.
I laughed a lot with this video ! Good combination of humor and valuable information!
Would probably be easier to build something like the Unisolder if they made it a bit simpler. Does it really need to support every handpiece under the sun? Why not make separate, less complex controller PCBs for different families of irons? And builders can choose what they want. Or build more than one PCB.
Kann man die Vorderseitenplatte nicht austauschen? Oder irgendwie überkleben? Das würde doch die Probleme damit lösen, oder?
I know you love oled displays but you would love the performance more in my opinion. Love the videos, keep them coming.
As a beginner what soldering station would you recommend in December 2019?
Thanks for the great work again. Can say something about the polarization filters for the Andonstar?
I would really like to see more about unisolder and your expert opinion about it and it's components. Since I could not afford a commercial station like pace ...
Mark 13:00
It isn’t necessary to find a two terminal discrete thermal coupler buried together with the heating coil inside solder tip. The heating coil will be fed by two wires. Wires normally use to build K type thermal couple are used. This way the solder element acts as both heating element and thermal couple. Thermal couple will be peeked (read) during pulse low of a PWM drive system.
So what are your thoughts: What would be a perfect soldering-iron; this PACE unit, re-packaged into a box with a better user-interface?
Thank you, for a splendid presentation.
Great video! By coincidence I have assembled the SMD Challenge boards just yesterday on my RUclips stream using my JBC BD-1A soldering station. It would actually be fun to put together a Unisolder together. I am curious how that would compare with my JBC BD-1A, but based on your tests I bet it will likely be very comparable. Maybe Pace will make a version of their iron with proper UI at some point. This would make it an easy choice for someone getting into electronics and needing a low cost soldering iron with good performance.
Hey your tweezers are superior! Mine felt like I was trying to hold a 0805 part with sticky boxing gloves ...
Yeah I love my Erem E7SA tweezers! They are definitely worth every penny I spent on them 5 years ago, and they are going strong. I am happy to pay money for tools if they are actually good tools. :) I was concerned with the 01005 part, but the tweezers actually worked fine. Still if I run into those parts in the future I will reflow them instead of using the soldering iron...
For me I had decided to go with the unisolder a few month back... My two main reasons are its oshw nature and more important you can use most cartridges from many manufacturer s
Go Metcal! We've got two of them and they're stupidly impressive; with the big-ass tips I've not found anything they really struggle with.
Otherwise, Pace cartridges on the Unisolder looks like a fantastic solution that excels in both user-friendliness and raw performance.
I have had one of these stations on back order for well over a month now, it is supposed to ship out in a week. I plan on doing a review comparing it to my hakko station. I was informed by pace that the first run of these had a QC issue. I am surprised at the 7805 regulator not being properly secured and just flapping in the breeze. I wonder if the unit I get will have the same thing? Thank you for the peek inside.
Some Ave quality unboxings
With more style and panache. ;-)
Sad But Mad Lad definently, I miss the micro chainsaw tho
It’s a skookum choocher!
AvE's using ever weirder methods to open boxes really pisses me off!
Just open it like a normal person who intends not to damage the contents.
Pete Allum this better be a joke
"first I've got to bring it into position by means of micro fluid dynamics".. and there was me thinking I'd done well to solder a MSOP8 chip by hand haha
I've been considering a dual-output Hakko for my next station, but that Pace does seem nice.
old pace mbt-250 are a dime a dozen,and run 3 channels. 200watts capable.
Loved the video, I'll subscribe, also loved the red hot old school soldering iron.
Great video
can I ask a question
What is the model of your microscope
And how much it costs
Haha, i had a good laugh at the stock photo thing :D
I've been using Pace soldering stations since the early 80s, and I've always loved their reliability and ultimately unfailing ability to get the job done. No matter what I needed to do.
What solder do you recomend to use or paste for microsoldering ? Im learning on old mobile motherboards struggling to find good solder
Thanks for your videos! So did you buy the PACE or not? Are you happy with it today? What would you buy today?
PLCC SOCKET?!?!? That's hilarious. What were they thinking? Haven't seen such a thing in decades.
My bad eyesight and shaky hands mean the Unisolder build is out of reach, the ADS200 however is a great alternative. Thanks for the review.
"plenty warning labels so it must be good!! Love it!!
Great video. Will it be possible to run it entirely by DC Power (31VDC ? max Amps?) or does the heeting element needs AC? I would like to convert it to DC. THX
The Pace is a sure upgrade to the weller, but I am sure you could tweak the firmware in the unisolder to not overshoot as bad.
Does someone has connection to him? I would like to buy one or more of those unisolder boards if he still has them
Christ, that larger Pace tip is a behemoth!
Cool
@9:46 what was the brand/model of the microscope and screen you have use?
I say if you design the UI to your liking keep it,I might start saving for one myself.
Marco, have you figured out how can utilize this mini-din connector to gain access to the additional feature of ADS200 called Instant SetBack Tool Stand (ISB)?
I am looking for the SMD challenge boards, but they seem to be sold out at the site you listed. Is there an alternative source?
Awesome videos you put out I love the flux @Louis Rossmann Touch Haha
Could I purchase or is there a way to purchase the JBC board I have JBC soldering station but would like To have a second station for cheap lol
Where did you buy the UniSolder 5.2 DIY with all its components?
regards
I want to buy too..
Been using a PACE Station at my work for years now, with over a decade of soldering experience. I honestly don't want any other station
I watched this twice to understand some of your dry humor mixed in with the tech stuff. A couple of your comments were confusing, so I just chalked it up to OCD. Your comment about the blue-on-blue arrow button against the blue faceplate was a bit over the top. In the end, I think you ultimately like it. I purchased the ADS200 Kit as a Christmas gift for myself. I wasn't aware of the optional set-back tip/handle stand, so I ended ordering it separately. It was too much of a hassle to return/exchange the basic tip stand, so I now have both. As much as I like the Kit, my only concern is I'm not sure how often I will use it. It's rather expensive for a retired guy in my late 60's. I wish I had something like this 20-years ago when I was younger.
I feel like the DIY approach is better suited for your needs. The computer hook up is a huge advantage for videos.
*_HELP_*
Does anybody know what type of potentiometer I'd need to control the current of two 9v batteries in series?
So let's say max voltage is 18v, I want to be able to adjust down through 17v, 16v etc.
I've tried a 10k ohm pot, that have me no variation at all, a 100k linear pot gave me a 1.4v variation but I'm after something with more adjustment.
Thanks
How did you get the small cartrages working on th T470 handle ? My JBC rejects them.
i mean iit uses a atmkel mocro controller and if the display is directly connected to it you could put on a diffrent one and re programm the station